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Al Lal

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Oct 5, 2012, 3:54:22 PM10/5/12
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As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the pigs are revolting. While at this time, this is an isolated incident, in fact this is the first step by the pig resistance.

Many of us eat pigs, and my interpretation is that the pigs are unhappy with this. The pigs are only doing to us, what we do to them. Can you blame the pigs?

I urge you to stop eating pig meat (ham, bacon etc.). It may also be that pigs do not like being confined to farms, but we need to send a negotiator to talk to the pig leadership to find out what it is they want and also to negotiate peace.

If you are a pig sympathizer, I urge you to boycott all organizations that contribute to the killing of pigs (whether it is for meat or other purposes).

Abhinav Lal
Creator & Rebel

Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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Oct 5, 2012, 4:53:25 PM10/5/12
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On 10/5/12 3:54 PM, Al Lal wrote:
> As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the pigs are revolting.

No, they're very tasty, actually. Especially as BACON. Mmmm. Bacon.


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Cryptoengineer

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Oct 5, 2012, 4:54:16 PM10/5/12
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On Oct 5, 4:53 pm, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> On 10/5/12 3:54 PM, Al Lal wrote:
>
> > As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the pigs are revolting.
>
>         No, they're very tasty, actually. Especially as BACON. Mmmm. Bacon.

Bacon: the candy of meats.

pt

Scott Lurndal

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Oct 5, 2012, 4:56:32 PM10/5/12
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"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> writes:
>On 10/5/12 3:54 PM, Al Lal wrote:
>> As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the pigs are revolting.
>
> No, they're very tasty, actually. Especially as BACON. Mmmm. Bacon.
>
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/05/bacon_sarnie_result/

Michael Stemper

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Oct 5, 2012, 6:06:53 PM10/5/12
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In article <e9cd70c3-94b8-4f6a...@googlegroups.com>, Al Lal <alal1...@gmail.com> writes:
>As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the pigs are revolting. While at this time, this is an isolated incident, in fact this is the first step by the pig resistance.

The pigs probably are revolting. Until they're cooked.

>Many of us eat pigs, and my interpretation is that the pigs are unhappy with this. The pigs are only doing to us, what we do to them. Can you blame the pigs?

I commend to you Alen E. Nourse's short story, "Family Resemblance".

There's a minor revolt of pigs portrayed in Poul Anderson's _Brian Wave_.

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James Silverton

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Oct 5, 2012, 6:19:13 PM10/5/12
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Well, I'm waiting for the subsequent events of "Animal Farm".

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

Don Bruder

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Oct 5, 2012, 6:20:04 PM10/5/12
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In article <k4nllt$fvo$2...@dont-email.me>,
mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:

> In article <e9cd70c3-94b8-4f6a...@googlegroups.com>, Al Lal
> <alal1...@gmail.com> writes:
> >As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the pigs are
> >revolting. While at this time, this is an isolated incident, in fact this
> >is the first step by the pig resistance.
>
> The pigs probably are revolting. Until they're cooked.
>
> >Many of us eat pigs, and my interpretation is that the pigs are unhappy with
> >this. The pigs are only doing to us, what we do to them. Can you blame the
> >pigs?
>
> I commend to you Alen E. Nourse's short story, "Family Resemblance".
>
> There's a minor revolt of pigs portrayed in Poul Anderson's _Brian Wave_.

VERY minor...

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Titus G

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Oct 5, 2012, 7:00:10 PM10/5/12
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Al Lal wrote:
> As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the
> pigs are revolting. While at this time, this is an isolated
> incident, in fact this is the first step by the pig resistance.

> Many of us eat pigs, and my interpretation is that the pigs are
> unhappy with this. The pigs are only doing to us, what we do to
> them. Can you blame the pigs?

Yes. Let the CIA and the Pentagon immediately double their budgets to cope
with this threat.

> I urge you to stop eating pig meat (ham, bacon etc.). It may also be
> that pigs do not like being confined to farms, but we need to send a
> negotiator to talk to the pig leadership to find out what it is they
> want and also to negotiate peace.

Ha, ha, ha. Once we find out where the pig leadership is concentrated we
will send out drones and bomb hundreds of lambs, capture and torture a few
puppies and kittens whilst issuing lots of self congratulatory press
releases. In a couple of years we will triple our budgets investing in
technology to turn dairy cows no longer producing milk into bacon.

> If you are a pig sympathizer, I urge you to boycott all organizations
> that contribute to the killing of pigs (whether it is for meat or
> other purposes).

Some religious fans don't eat pig originally because the digestive system of
the pig is similar to that of humans so that diseases are believed to be too
easily spread. Once those pigs that ate the farmer start their own pig
religion, the remaining pigs might not be so keen on eating farmers. Or
otherwise. Reminds me of the caveman who confided to his neighbour that it
wouldn't matter if he taught his mate just a few basic words. What harm
could it do to her?

> Abhinav Lal
> Creator & Rebel

Titus G
Plaigariser & Conformist


Lynn McGuire

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Oct 5, 2012, 8:24:35 PM10/5/12
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On 10/5/2012 3:53 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> On 10/5/12 3:54 PM, Al Lal wrote:
>> As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the pigs are revolting.
>
> No, they're very tasty, actually. Especially as BACON. Mmmm. Bacon.

I had some thick cut bacon at Cracker Barrel the
other day. Thought I was going to Heaven !

Lynn


Al Lal

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Oct 6, 2012, 8:15:04 AM10/6/12
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On Saturday, 6 October 2012 04:53:26 UTC+8, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> On 10/5/12 3:54 PM, Al Lal wrote:
>
> > As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the pigs are revolting.
>
>
>
> No, they're very tasty, actually. Especially as BACON. Mmmm. Bacon.
>

I hope that in your next life you are not born as a pig in a farm, destined to end up as bacon.

Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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Oct 6, 2012, 9:11:07 AM10/6/12
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Next life implies I let this one END. I have no intention of following
this whole "dying" fad.

Al Lal

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Oct 7, 2012, 5:23:54 AM10/7/12
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On Saturday, 6 October 2012 07:00:17 UTC+8, Titus G wrote:
> Al Lal wrote:
>
> > As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the
>
> > pigs are revolting. While at this time, this is an isolated
>
> > incident, in fact this is the first step by the pig resistance.
>
>
>
> > Many of us eat pigs, and my interpretation is that the pigs are
>
> > unhappy with this. The pigs are only doing to us, what we do to
>
> > them. Can you blame the pigs?
>
>
>
> Yes. Let the CIA and the Pentagon immediately double their budgets to cope
>
> with this threat.

It is true the American and human military power can overwhelm the weekly organized pigs. However my intelligence indicates that the pigs are forming a strategic alliance with the cows. This rebellion is not localized to USA, and you will have an uprising throughout the world.

Also, the animal powers (as the pigs and cows call themselves) are looking for human sympathizers. The humans are polarized, divided along religion and nationality. The Hindus who regard the cows as holy are sympathetic towards the animal powers. The Christians who believe man has dominion over the Earth and all its animals are not sympathetic towards the animal powers.


>
>
>
> > I urge you to stop eating pig meat (ham, bacon etc.). It may also be
>
> > that pigs do not like being confined to farms, but we need to send a
>
> > negotiator to talk to the pig leadership to find out what it is they
>
> > want and also to negotiate peace.
>
>
>
> Ha, ha, ha. Once we find out where the pig leadership is concentrated we
>
> will send out drones and bomb hundreds of lambs, capture and torture a few
>
> puppies and kittens whilst issuing lots of self congratulatory press
>
> releases. In a couple of years we will triple our budgets investing in
>
> technology to turn dairy cows no longer producing milk into bacon.
>

The Animal powers are not organized in a strict hierarchy. They are in more of a matrix structure spread throughout the world. The US alone cannot stop the pigs of the Animal powers. The UN needs to co-ordinate a policy response, and military action if necessary.

>
>
> > If you are a pig sympathizer, I urge you to boycott all organizations
>
> > that contribute to the killing of pigs (whether it is for meat or
>
> > other purposes).
>
>
>
> Some religious fans don't eat pig originally because the digestive system of
>
> the pig is similar to that of humans so that diseases are believed to be too
>
> easily spread. Once those pigs that ate the farmer start their own pig
>
> religion, the remaining pigs might not be so keen on eating farmers. Or
>
> otherwise. Reminds me of the caveman who confided to his neighbour that it
>
> wouldn't matter if he taught his mate just a few basic words. What harm
>
> could it do to her?
>

I heard that among domesticated animals, pigs are genetically most like humans. Applying powdered pig (bladder?) to human wounds can help regenerate human limbs.

Al Lal

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Oct 7, 2012, 5:26:55 AM10/7/12
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All this talk of bacon is making me long for bacon. Maybe a bacon cheeseburger or a BLT. I have not eaten bacon or beef this year, as it is hard to find in India.

I find it hard to reconcile my love for non-vegetarian food with my love for animals.

Paul Colquhoun

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Oct 7, 2012, 6:41:47 AM10/7/12
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 02:23:54 -0700 (PDT), Al Lal <alal1...@gmail.com> wrote:
| On Saturday, 6 October 2012 07:00:17 UTC+8, Titus G wrote:
|> Al Lal wrote:
|>
|> > As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the
|> > pigs are revolting. While at this time, this is an isolated
|> > incident, in fact this is the first step by the pig resistance.
|>
|> > Many of us eat pigs, and my interpretation is that the pigs are
|> > unhappy with this. The pigs are only doing to us, what we do to
|> > them. Can you blame the pigs?
|>
|> Yes. Let the CIA and the Pentagon immediately double their budgets to cope
|> with this threat.
|
| It is true the American and human military power can overwhelm the weekly


1) Why don't you think Americans are human?

2) Only being organized for part of the week is a real limitation. Do
they just tale the weekends off, or is it even worse, and they only
organise on 1 or 2 days a week?


| organized pigs. However my intelligence indicates that the pigs are forming
| a strategic alliance with the cows. This rebellion is not localized to USA,
| and you will have an uprising throughout the world.


Do you remember a music track from the 90's called "Cows with Guns"?


--
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William December Starr

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Oct 7, 2012, 7:44:08 PM10/7/12
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In article <e9cd70c3-94b8-4f6a...@googlegroups.com>,
Al Lal <alal1...@gmail.com> said:

> As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the
> pigs are revolting. While at this time, this is an isolated
> incident, in fact this is the first step by the pig resistance.

I once bugged MITSTS, without success, to buy a certain book:

cartmel, andrew -- swine fever [judge dredd (black flame)]
<http://www.amazon.com//gp/product/1844161749>

--> "Super-intelligent pigs in a factory farm are planning a
bust-out! Once free, they engage in a high-tech campaign
of terrorism across Mega-City One." Honestly, how can we
_not_ get this?

-- wds

Michael Stemper

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Oct 8, 2012, 8:50:20 AM10/8/12
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In article <b25b7bfe-a3d9-46f2...@googlegroups.com>, Al Lal <alal1...@gmail.com> writes:
>On Saturday, 6 October 2012 08:24:46 UTC+8, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 10/5/2012 3:53 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> > On 10/5/12 3:54 PM, Al Lal wrote:

>> >> As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the pigs are revolting.

>> > No, they're very tasty, actually. Especially as BACON. Mmmm. Bacon.

>> I had some thick cut bacon at Cracker Barrel the
>> other day. Thought I was going to Heaven !

Hog Heaven, I presume?

>All this talk of bacon is making me long for bacon. Maybe a bacon cheeseburger or a BLT. I have not eaten bacon or beef this year, as it is hard to find in India.
>
>I find it hard to reconcile my love for non-vegetarian food with my love for animals.

I love animals!

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Michael F. Stemper
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Especially smoked.

Kip Williams

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Oct 8, 2012, 9:35:39 AM10/8/12
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Michael Stemper wrote, On 10/8/12 8:50 AM:
> In article <b25b7bfe-a3d9-46f2...@googlegroups.com>, Al Lal <alal1...@gmail.com> writes:
>> On Saturday, 6 October 2012 08:24:46 UTC+8, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 10/5/2012 3:53 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>>> On 10/5/12 3:54 PM, Al Lal wrote:
>
>>>>> As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer, the pigs are revolting.
>
>>>> No, they're very tasty, actually. Especially as BACON. Mmmm. Bacon.
>
>>> I had some thick cut bacon at Cracker Barrel the
>>> other day. Thought I was going to Heaven !
>
> Hog Heaven, I presume?

The Great Fat Chance.


Kip W
rasfw

Will in New Haven

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Oct 8, 2012, 10:25:44 AM10/8/12
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You heard wrong. Once you put "genetically" in there, it becomes a
really stupid thing that someone told you. Pigs have many structural
and systemic resemblances to humans but they are genetically rather
distant. No closer than dogs, perhaps, although it is hard to
quantify. Certainly much more distant than shrews, to pick just one
extremely dissimilar anima.

--
Will in New Haven



David Mitchell

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Oct 8, 2012, 3:27:08 PM10/8/12
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On 07/10/12 10:26, Al Lal wrote:
> All this talk of bacon is making me long for bacon. Maybe a bacon cheeseburger or a BLT. I have not eaten bacon or beef this year, as it is hard to find in India.
>
> I find it hard to reconcile my love for non-vegetarian food with my love for animals.

For what it's worth, I became a lapsed vegetarian when I decided that
the most important factor to consider when deciding whether or not to
eat meat was the quality of life of the animal concerned.

Fortunately, we have good butchers in the Scottish borders, and I can
buy free-range ham and chicken quite easily.

If it's a moral standpoint you can adopt, I recommend it.

It's delicious.

--
David Mitchell
No, not that one.

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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Oct 8, 2012, 4:45:35 PM10/8/12
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Al Lal <alal1...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:e9cd70c3-94b8-4f6a...@googlegroups.com:
I knew a number of pig farmers when I was a kid in Nebraska. Many of
them were missing fingers. Most of them, when queried about it, had
the same ersponse: "Best tasting pig I ever et."

And yes, pigs are smart enough to know their fate. However, they're
also amoral, sociopathic shits who deserve it.

The only reason we far pigs for good, and not the other way around,
is that pigs don't have opposable thumbs.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote in
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"I love children. They taste like chicken."

(Bonus points to anyone who can identify the source.)

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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David Mitchell <david.robo...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:O9adnaKqOfiQtO7N...@brightview.co.uk:
The only moral stanpoint I require is "We spent millions of years
clawing our way to the top of the food chain, and I'm not climbing
back down on purpose."

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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Oct 8, 2012, 4:48:37 PM10/8/12
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Al Lal <alal1...@gmail.com> wrote in
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That's more of a purpose than most people have in life.

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
news:k4palb$igv$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 10/6/12 8:15 AM, Al Lal wrote:
>> On Saturday, 6 October 2012 04:53:26 UTC+8, Sea Wasp (Ryk E.
>> Spoor) wrote:
>>> On 10/5/12 3:54 PM, Al Lal wrote:
>>>
>>>> As you may have heard of an incident where pigs ate a farmer,
>>>> the pigs are revolting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, they're very tasty, actually. Especially as BACON.
>>> Mmmm. Bacon.
>>>
>>
>> I hope that in your next life you are not born as a pig in a
>> farm, destined to end up as bacon.
>
>
> Next life implies I let this one END. I have no intention
> of following
> this whole "dying" fad.
>
I have a friend who used to say that if he couldn't take it with him,
he wasn't going. He said that right up until the day he ended up in
the ER with congestive heart failure and blood pressure so high their
equipment couldn't measure it.

The less here is, he's still alive, so may he's on to something.

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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Howard Brazee

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Oct 8, 2012, 6:11:53 PM10/8/12
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:47:55 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
<taus...@gmail.com> wrote:

>The only moral stanpoint I require is "We spent millions of years
>clawing our way to the top of the food chain, and I'm not climbing
>back down on purpose."

Small pox is higher on the food chain than we are.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

Rod Speed

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Oct 8, 2012, 6:26:36 PM10/8/12
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Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote

>> The only moral stanpoint I require is "We spent millions
>> of years clawing our way to the top of the food chain,
>> and I'm not climbing back down on purpose."

> Small pox is higher on the food chain than we are.

Like hell it is.

Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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Oct 8, 2012, 7:08:06 PM10/8/12
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On 10/8/12 6:11 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:47:55 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The only moral stanpoint I require is "We spent millions of years
>> clawing our way to the top of the food chain, and I'm not climbing
>> back down on purpose."
>
> Small pox is higher on the food chain than we are.
>

Smallpox? You mean, the disease that ran into us, killed a bunch, and
that we THEN WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE PLANET?

No.

Robert Carnegie

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Oct 8, 2012, 10:45:45 PM10/8/12
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On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:08:07 AM UTC+1, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> On 10/8/12 6:11 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:47:55 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
>
> > <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> The only moral stanpoint I require is "We spent millions of years
> >> clawing our way to the top of the food chain, and I'm not climbing
> >> back down on purpose."
> >
> > Small pox is higher on the food chain than we are.
>
> Smallpox? You mean, the disease that ran into us, killed a bunch, and
> that we THEN WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE PLANET?
>
> No.

Malaria, then?

And I realise that by proxy I'm arguing with Terry Austin. But still.

Anyway, you may be top of the food chain, but dining on nightingale tongue
is still crass.

Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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Oct 8, 2012, 11:08:40 PM10/8/12
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I don't need to eat that to prove I'm on the top. I just have to make
sure I keep eating MEAT. Like.... BACON.

Wayne Throop

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Oct 8, 2012, 10:47:17 PM10/8/12
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::: Small pox is higher on the food chain than we are.

:: Smallpox? You mean, the disease that ran into us, killed a bunch,
:: and that we THEN WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE PLANET?

Well sure, but nobody was unreasonable. Nobody *ate* smallpox.
And the topic *was* the "food chain".

: Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com>
: Malaria, then?

Ah dunno. If you mean, something humans havn't whipped yet, and aren't
really likely to soon, and which preys on humans, then the viral and
prion diseases sort of stand out. The only way to win is not to play.
Quarantines and various palative treatments is about it, once you start to
play. Cancer... well... doesn't demonstrate top-of-the-food-chain-ness,
but more human-genome-shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-ness.

ANYways, the "food chain" is just as lame a concept as
"the evolutionary ladder".


All we want to do is eat your brains
We're not unreasonable, I mean no one's going to eat your eyes

--- Re: Your Brains

"Listen, monkey boy, compared to you humans,
I'm on the top of the evolutionary ladder, so can it, all right?"

--- a Bug in an Edgar suit, tearing around Manhattan
with unlimited strength, a massive inferiority
complex, and a real short temper
("That sound like fun?")

Wayne Throop

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Oct 8, 2012, 11:18:22 PM10/8/12
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: thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
: ANYways, the "food chain" is just as lame a concept as
: "the evolutionary ladder".

Because, see, onaccounta they are both actually *at* *least* directed graphs,
and for the so-called "food chain", not even acyclic let alone a tree.

So... I guess "food chain" is actually *lamer*, hard as that is to credit.
Lame lame lamedy lame lame.

"You, sir, truly are Mr Incredible! You know, I was right to
idolize you. I always knew you were tough, but tricking the probe by
hiding under the bones of another super?! Oh, man! I'm still geeking
out about it! ... And then you just had to... ruin the ride!
I mean, Mr. Incredible calling for help? "Help me, help me!"
Lame, lame, lame, lame, LAME!"

--- Syncrome to Mr Incredible

Rod Speed

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Oct 8, 2012, 11:39:37 PM10/8/12
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Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote
>> Howard Brazee wrote
>>> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> The only moral stanpoint I require is "We spent millions
>>>> of years clawing our way to the top of the food chain,
>>>> and I'm not climbing back down on purpose."

>>> Small pox is higher on the food chain than we are.

>> Smallpox? You mean, the disease that ran into us, killed a bunch,
>> and that we THEN WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE PLANET?

>> No.

> Malaria, then?

Nope, not higher in the food chain than us either.

Neither are lions, tigers, sharks, crocodiles or piranha either.

> And I realise that by proxy I'm arguing with Terry Austin. But still.

> Anyway, you may be top of the food chain,
> but dining on nightingale tongue is still crass.

Whats wrong with eating any part of the animal that's dead ?

Al Lal

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Oct 9, 2012, 6:26:14 AM10/9/12
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On Tuesday, 9 October 2012 06:12:02 UTC+8, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:47:55 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
>
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >The only moral stanpoint I require is "We spent millions of years
>
> >clawing our way to the top of the food chain, and I'm not climbing
>
> >back down on purpose."
>
>
>
> Small pox is higher on the food chain than we are.
>

I just remembered a very short story called "To Serve Man".

SPOILERS...

It has been some time since I read it, and here is how my memory recalls the story.


In it aliens arrive on earth. The humans do not know what the aliens intentions are. A human spots an alien reading a book called "To Serve Man", and thus humans are relieved and come to believe that the aliens intend to be of service to humanity. However, later it turn out that "To Serve Man" is actually a cookbook for the aliens...

Howard Brazee

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On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 14:39:37 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Malaria, then?
>
>Nope, not higher in the food chain than us either.

People who talk about humans being on the top of the food chain
haven't defined what this means in a way that excludes malaria from
being above us.

It's kind of like all of those people who have some reason to define
us as unique - either better or worse than other animals. Then we
observe other animals doing the same thing, so they have to change
their reason. Because it is important that we are on top.

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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Oct 9, 2012, 12:27:43 PM10/9/12
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Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote in
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> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:47:55 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The only moral stanpoint I require is "We spent millions of years
>>clawing our way to the top of the food chain, and I'm not climbing
>>back down on purpose."
>
> Small pox is higher on the food chain than we are.
>
I disagree. We kill a lot more of it than it kills of us.

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote in
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> On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:08:07 AM UTC+1, Sea Wasp (Ryk E.
> Spoor) wrote:
>> On 10/8/12 6:11 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:47:55 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying
>> > Sissy
>>
>> > <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> The only moral stanpoint I require is "We spent millions of
>> >> years clawing our way to the top of the food chain, and I'm
>> >> not climbing back down on purpose."
>> >
>> > Small pox is higher on the food chain than we are.
>>
>> Smallpox? You mean, the disease that ran into us, killed a
>> bunch, and
>> that we THEN WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE PLANET?
>>
>> No.
>
> Malaria, then?
>
> And I realise that by proxy I'm arguing with Terry Austin. But
> still.

Not only arguing with me, but picking a fight on purpose.

So, yeah, still.
>
> Anyway, you may be top of the food chain, but dining on
> nightingale tongue is still crass.
>
I only feed on the meat of sentient carnivores that only feed on
the meat of sentient carnivores.

Them nightingales are viscious little bastards.

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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Oct 9, 2012, 12:30:37 PM10/9/12
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thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote in
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> ANYways, the "food chain" is just as lame a concept as
> "the evolutionary ladder".

Well, yeah, but not as lame as vegans who think that plants have
feelings, too.

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Whats wrong with eating any part of the animal that's dead ?
>
I have a lower intestine you might find tasty. I mean, after all,
enough shit comes *out* of your mouth.

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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Oct 9, 2012, 12:33:48 PM10/9/12
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Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote in
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> On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 14:39:37 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Malaria, then?
>>
>>Nope, not higher in the food chain than us either.
>
> People who talk about humans being on the top of the food chain
> haven't defined what this means in a way that excludes malaria
> from being above us.

Sure I have. My food chain has us at the top as a matter of
definition. Ergo, I have defined what it means for use to be at thet
of of the food chain.
>
> It's kind of like all of those people who have some reason to
> define us as unique - either better or worse than other animals.
> Then we observe other animals doing the same thing, so they
> have to change their reason. Because it is important that we
> are on top.
>
There really aren't any absolutely uniquely human traits, no. Though
not a lot of animals can handle abstract mathematics.

Wayne Throop

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Oct 9, 2012, 12:40:39 PM10/9/12
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:: ANYways, the "food chain" is just as lame a concept as "the
:: evolutionary ladder".

: Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com>
: Well, yeah, but not as lame as vegans who think that plants have
: feelings, too.

I will not be surprised if/when/maybealready somebody starts promoting
bacterial/viral rights. I might be *slightly* surprised if somebody
starts promoting prion rights, but not flabberghasted. CJD is not the
worst thing that can happen to a brain. Meme-related disfunction can be
even more grotesque. I suspect the classic Brain-Eater disease among
authors may be meme-related. And hey, there are already organizations
that fight for meme rights...

"The genocide of the smallpox virus must be avenged!"

Wayne Throop

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Oct 9, 2012, 12:48:52 PM10/9/12
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:: Whats wrong with eating any part of the animal that's dead ?

Well for one rather obvious point for the general case, little fleas
have lesser fleas, so you're not eating a part of the animal that's
dead, you're eating a part of the animal that's dead PLUS potentially
all the lesser fleas that killed it, some of which may not be truely
most sincerely dead. Such as bactera, virussesses, prionses, etc.
Among others. Some of those have no reasonable/reliable sterilization
procedures that still leave anything edible. Or at least, nothing
palatable or nutritious.

Not that that's strongly relevant to nightingale tongue, but still.
And anyways, the upthread note was that it's "crass", not "wrong".
Even the french hide their act in shame when they eat ortolanses.
(Wikipedia says it's not an act of shame, but of courtesy, but
that still has implications of crassness...)

"Stickiness is the most underrated of all the nesses.
And of all the stickinesses, the sap of the maraca nut tree
is the sticky-nessiest."

--- Isabella Garcia-Shapiro
(reading from an exhibit sign)

"Powdermilk biscuits are made from whole wheat raised in the rich
bottomlands of the Lake Wobegon river valley by Norwegian bachelor
farmers, so you know they're not only good for you, but also pure,
mostly. They give shy persons the strength to get up and do what
needs to be done. Heavens they're tasty and expeditious."

--- Garrison Keillor

Michael Stemper

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Oct 9, 2012, 1:25:00 PM10/9/12
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In article <13498...@sheol.org>, thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) writes:

>I will not be surprised if/when/maybealready somebody starts promoting
>bacterial/viral rights. I might be *slightly* surprised if somebody
>starts promoting prion rights, but not flabberghasted. CJD is not the
>worst thing that can happen to a brain. Meme-related disfunction can be
>even more grotesque. I suspect the classic Brain-Eater disease among
>authors may be meme-related. And hey, there are already organizations
>that fight for meme rights...
>
>"The genocide of the smallpox virus must be avenged!"

This sounds much like a story I recently read. Some M.D.s are flitting
around in space, and get an emergency call from a planet. When they
arrive, they discover that the vaguely anthropoid indigenes that a
prior survey expedition had written off have now developed a prospering
society. And, they've also contracted a really nasty plague.

The M.D.s take blood samples and such-like, and eventually find a
virus in the affected beings. They develop something to wipe it out, and
start its distribution. However, the ones injected tend to go catatonic.
The virus is wiped out, but their condition is worse than ever.

The M.D.s eventually work out that the suddenly development of
intelligence in the natives was literally "in the natives". Each one
had been hosting an intelligent colony of virii. They didn't think
to much of the vaccine. :-<

I've obscured the title, rather than the description, because even
mentioning the title in this context would be a spoiler.

<rot13>
_Fgne Fhetrba_, oh Nyna R. Abhefr
</rot13>

--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Life's too important to take seriously.

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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Oct 9, 2012, 2:26:20 PM10/9/12
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thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote in
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The only thing that would surprise me would be to see one of them
just admit they don't give a shit about anything except humans, who
they hate and want to see exterminated. Oh, wait, that's already out
there, too.

Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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Oct 9, 2012, 2:31:02 PM10/9/12
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On 10/9/12 2:26 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote in
> news:13498...@sheol.org:
>
>> :: ANYways, the "food chain" is just as lame a concept as "the
>> :: evolutionary ladder".
>>
>> : Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com>
>> : Well, yeah, but not as lame as vegans who think that plants
>> : have feelings, too.
>>
>> I will not be surprised if/when/maybealready somebody starts
>> promoting bacterial/viral rights. I might be *slightly*
>> surprised if somebody starts promoting prion rights, but not
>> flabberghasted. CJD is not the worst thing that can happen to a
>> brain. Meme-related disfunction can be even more grotesque. I
>> suspect the classic Brain-Eater disease among authors may be
>> meme-related. And hey, there are already organizations that
>> fight for meme rights...
>>
>> "The genocide of the smallpox virus must be avenged!"
>>
> The only thing that would surprise me would be to see one of them
> just admit they don't give a shit about anything except humans, who
> they hate and want to see exterminated. Oh, wait, that's already out
> there, too.
>

Yep. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
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Yep. Plus, of course, there's Democrats.

Bill Snyder

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If only we could persuade them to go now, and beat the rush when
their doctrine catches on.


--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]

David DeLaney

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Wayne Throop <thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>CJD is not the
>worst thing that can happen to a brain. Meme-related disfunction can be
>even more grotesque.

ObSF: Science-related Memetic Disorder, from A Miracle of Science (and
propagated by tvtropes, which may itself qualify...).

Dave
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Stephen Harker

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There was the short story in Analog:

PATROUCH, JOSEPH F. (1935- ) (chron.)
* Legal Rights for Germs, (ss) Analog Nov 1977

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Rod Speed

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Oct 9, 2012, 2:41:07 PM10/9/12
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Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Malaria, then?

>> Nope, not higher in the food chain than us either.

> People who talk about humans being on the top of
> the food chain haven't defined what this means in a
> way that excludes malaria from being above us.

Malaria doesn't even eat us at all.

> It's kind of like all of those people who have some reason to
> define us as unique - either better or worse than other animals.

Nothing like in fact.

> Then we observe other animals doing the same thing,

We don't with everything from a written language to
inventing computers to inventing pharmaceuticals etc etc etc.

> so they have to change their reason.
> Because it is important that we are on top.

That wasn't the reason for the original comment about a food chain.

Rod Speed

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Oct 9, 2012, 2:50:53 PM10/9/12
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Wayne Throop <thr...@sheol.org> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote

>>> Anyway, you may be top of the food chain,
>>> but dining on nightingale tongue is still crass.

>> Whats wrong with eating any part of the animal that's dead ?

> Well for one rather obvious point for the general case, little fleas
> have lesser fleas, so you're not eating a part of the animal that's
> dead, you're eating a part of the animal that's dead PLUS potentially
> all the lesser fleas that killed it, some of which may not be truely
> most sincerely dead. Such as bactera, virussesses, prionses, etc.
> Among others.

Nothing to do with the nightingale tongues being discussed.

> Some of those have no reasonable/reliable sterilization
> procedures that still leave anything edible. Or at least,
> nothing palatable or nutritious.

Nothing to do with the nightingale tongues being discussed.

> Not that that's strongly relevant to nightingale tongue, but still.

So why did you head off into complete irrelevancy so spectacularly ?

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

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"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> So why did you head off into complete irrelevancy so
> spectacularly ?
>
Have you ever - *ever* - done otherwise, troll boy?
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