Probably the best-selling SF book of all time was Star Wars, by George
Lucas. (Yes, it was based on a movie, but it probably outsold all other
SF books.) Best-selling author, probably Heinlien.
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> By a SF book, I don't mean those proto-SF books in 19th century (such
>as HG Wells)
I'd call Wells' work "science fiction" ... between them Wells and Verne
virtually defined the genre.
>Probably the best-selling SF book of all time was Star Wars, by George
>Lucas. (Yes, it was based on a movie, but it probably outsold all other
>SF books.)
It sold only because of the movie ... it wasn't actually that well-written.
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I'm sorry, and I know I'm dealing with an idiot here, but this is
just amazing. I'd really, REALLY like to see a decent definition of
Science-Fiction that excludes The Time Machine or The War of the Worlds.
: Probably the best-selling SF book of all time was Star Wars, by George
: Lucas. (Yes, it was based on a movie, but it probably outsold all other
: SF books.) Best-selling author, probably Heinlien.
I doubt that very much, on both counts. Did Star Wars even make the
bestseller lists? At least Heinlein has had years to accrue sales,
but I'd still be surprised if any of his books were the top sellers.
I don't know what would be though. Some of the Star Trek books seem
to sell remarkably well, ditto the Star Wars tie-ins. How many
copies have those Harry Potter books sold so far?
Pete
It's certainly legitimate to draw a distinction between pre-1930's or
so books that are science fiction like, and modern genre SF.
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I'd guess the best selling SF book of all time is Dune. My paperback
from some years ago claims it's sold over 10 million copies.
: It's certainly legitimate to draw a distinction between pre-1930's or
: so books that are science fiction like, and modern genre SF.
That I can see, but it's all SF, whether SF means Science Fiction or
Speculative Fiction or something else I haven't come across. It would
be Pre-30's SF vs. Post-30's SF or something like that. Useful for
discussions and to define exactly what you're talking about, but
not excluding some of the greatest SF ever written from the club
because it's too old or whatever.
Pete
That's pretty good, but if 'SF' includes Fantasy, then _LOTR_ should win
by a country mile. Shoot, I've bought 3 copies in various forms.
Also things like '1984' (Orwell) probably sold well, not least because
several zillion got bought for schools where they were occasionally part
of the syllabus.
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I'm not sure how many copies 1984 sold, but it might well be more than
10 million. The front cover of my old Ballantine editions of LotR
(which aren't too much older that my copy of Dune), claim that series
only sold eight million.
BackTo1913 wrote:
> By a SF book, I don't mean those proto-SF books in 19th century (such
> as HG Wells), or books which have more horror or fantasmagoric contents
> than SF.
>
> Probably the best-selling SF book of all time was Star Wars, by George
> Lucas.
I think you mean, "...by Alan Dean Foster," who actually wrote the
novelization.
>Mark Hanson said:
>
>>I think you mean, "...by Alan Dean Foster," who actually wrote the
>>novelization.
>
>Oh, he ghost-wrote the first one?
Yup.
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>> BackTo1913 wrote:
>> >
>> > Probably the best-selling SF book of all time was Star Wars, by
>George
>> > Lucas.
>>
>> I think you mean, "...by Alan Dean Foster," who actually wrote the
>> novelization.
>
>The rumor I heard was that Donald Glut wrote the novelization. But I
>wouldn't be surprised if it was Alan Dean Foster instead. He wrote
>"Splinter in the Mind's Eye" (*) before Glut wrote the novelization of
>"The Empire Strikes Back."
The way I heard it, from reliable sources but not Foster or Lucas, was
that Foster ghosted the first novelization for a flat fee, and was
then allowed to write _Splinter of the Mind's Eye_ to make up for
being shafted on the royalties on the novelization when the movie
turned into a phenomenon.
The rumor I heard was that Donald Glut wrote the novelization. But I
wouldn't be surprised if it was Alan Dean Foster instead. He wrote
"Splinter in the Mind's Eye" (*) before Glut wrote the novelization of
"The Empire Strikes Back."
* Sexual tension between Luke and Princess Leia?! Ewww! (Good thing
they didn't give the series to V.C. Andrews...)
1984 is more like an alternate-history novel, similar but different.
And the SF element is not that strong.
Fantasy books are not SFs, although similar.
> Aaron M. Renn (ar...@urbanophile.com)
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>I think you mean, "...by Alan Dean Foster," who actually wrote the
>novelization.
Oh, he ghost-wrote the first one?
Sincerely Yours,
>Mark Hanson said:
>
>>I think you mean, "...by Alan Dean Foster," who actually wrote the
>>novelization.
>
>Oh, he ghost-wrote the first one?
Lucas comes out and says so in his intro to the latest edition.
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According to a book about Tolkien I've recently read, LOTR sold more
than 50 million copies. In various editions. That makes it the biggest
seller in history. After LOTR is The Hobbit, with about 34 millions.
And only after that is Gone With The Wind, about 28 millions.
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Just a little note here:
Mark wrote an article entitled "Who Wrote STARS WARS?" in which he
concluded it was Alan Dean Foster. It was published in "Lan's
Lantern"--in the fall of 1977, *years* before anyone else suggested or
admitted this. Foster's only response to the article (at the time)
was, "Interesting."
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Peter Meilinger wrote:
> : Probably the best-selling SF book of all time was Star Wars, by George
> : Lucas. (Yes, it was based on a movie, but it probably outsold all other
> : SF books.) Best-selling author, probably Heinlien.
>
> I doubt that very much, on both counts. Did Star Wars even make the
> bestseller lists?
Yes.
> At least Heinlein has had years to accrue sales,
> but I'd still be surprised if any of his books were the top sellers.
I would guess that Ray Bradbury would be right up there; alot of his stuff
is seen as quasi-respectable by school librarians and such. Although Verne
and Wells have probably established pretty dominant leads by now, given the
amount of time their books have been on the market.
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Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> The way I heard it, from reliable sources but not Foster or Lucas, was
> that Foster ghosted the first novelization for a flat fee, and was
> then allowed to write _Splinter of the Mind's Eye_ to make up for
> being shafted on the royalties on the novelization when the movie
> turned into a phenomenon.
That sounds familiar. "Splinter" was an excellent book, though it's been a
long time since I've read it.
Mark
>The rumor I heard was that Donald Glut wrote the novelization. But I
>wouldn't be surprised if it was Alan Dean Foster instead. He wrote
>"Splinter in the Mind's Eye" (*) before Glut wrote the novelization of
>"The Empire Strikes Back."
Foster signed my copy.
Keith
>Fantasy books are not SFs, although similar.
Point to the definative source that says this.
Keith
So good that Foster reused a medium-sized chunk of it years later in
_Flinx in Flux_ (the journey through the caves).
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>
No, that's a fantasy.
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Is that "50 million copies of LotR", or is that "50 million copies of
any book that is part of LotR"? IOW, would 17E6 copies of TFotR, 17E6
copies of TTT, and 16E6 copies of TRotK be 50 million?
</nitpick>
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Er ... you mean, somebody ... 17E6 somebodies bought the first part,
17E6 somebodies bought the second part, and only 16E6 somebodies
bought the third part? What, a million people got disgusted with the
first two parts? :-)
Just kidding. Actually, no, the author didn't say, but I think it was
LOTR as a whole. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense. Unless you are a
book promoter or something. :-)
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(currently being filmed, pity the MST3K guys aren't at it anymore) but
most people figure the number of copies *printed* is significantly lower
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>1984 is more like an alternate-history novel, similar but different.
>And the SF element is not that strong.
Interesting. So it isn't SF, because it would interfere with your cock-eyed
theory.
Justin Bacon
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>Probably the best-selling SF book of all time was Star Wars, by George
>Lucas. (Yes, it was based on a movie, but it probably outsold all other
>SF books.) Best-selling author, probably Heinlien.
Actually, novelizations of movies sell better than a lot things -- but they
aren't "best sellers" by any stretch of the imagination. I doubt that
novelization topped 1,000,000 copies sold -- and there are many, many, many SF
books which have beaten that relatively easy barrier.
Justin Bacon
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>In article <7vj1fa$7k9$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, BackTo1913 <feud...@my-deja.com>
>writes:
>
>>1984 is more like an alternate-history novel, similar but different.
>>And the SF element is not that strong.
>
>Interesting. So it isn't SF, because it would interfere with your cock-eyed
>theory.
Of course, _1984_ *is* science fiction, because it was written in 1948. It's
been overtaken by the passage of time, but of course it's science fiction ...
Orwell postulated massive worldwise social and political changes, resulting in
worldwide Stalinism. It's allegorical science fiction of the "If This Goes On"
subgenre.
>Justin Bacon said:
>
>>In article <7vj1fa$7k9$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, BackTo1913 <feud...@my-deja.com>
>>writes:
>>
>>>1984 is more like an alternate-history novel, similar but different.
>>>And the SF element is not that strong.
>>
>>Interesting. So it isn't SF, because it would interfere with your cock-eyed
>>theory.
>
>Of course, _1984_ *is* science fiction, because it was written in 1948. It's
>been overtaken by the passage of time, but of course it's science fiction ...
>Orwell postulated massive worldwise social and political changes, resulting in
>worldwide Stalinism. It's allegorical science fiction of the "If This Goes On"
>subgenre.
Yes! I am so glad that someone finally corrected this statement by
Quonster. I've been biting my teeth for a week now - but I refuse to
get involved in his threads by responding to him directly. This was
the only Quonster thread I haven't killed yet, just to see if someone
would finally correct him.
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I have this vague recollection that the novelization of "Star Wars" sold
about 5 million copies (by 1979) - I do have the issue of Locus that
mentioned the number somewhere. That doesn't include the recent reprint of
course.
He's trolling again Justin, Ignore him. Of course 1984 =is= alternate
history =now=, but back when it was published it was definitely SF. I
doubt he's read it anyway.
ROU Evolution in Action
If he did read it, he was ready to sent his resume to the bad guys. (Where
do they put the ads for lackeys in the classified section?) Oh, wait a
minute, the government in 1984 is a left-wing dictatorship, so that means he
must think they're evil.
Anyway, he probably hasn't read it. (Sorry, reading the Cliff Notes version
doesn't count.)
This whole thread only proves that he knows as much about science fiction
(and other genres) -- and book sale results -- as he does about history,
politics, economy, and sociology.
Hm, bringing up Hubbard, I am brought to mind of the bible. Certainly *that*
book has sold the most copies of anything in history, and there are quite a
few who believe it fits into the sci-fi/fantasy category...
Just a thought,
Sands
And it's been suggested it could'e been published as an Ace
Double, suitably cut of course, with the titles MASTER OF CHAOS
and THE THING WITH THREE SOULS.
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> And it's been suggested it could'e been published as an Ace
> Double, suitably cut of course, with the titles MASTER OF CHAOS
> and THE THING WITH THREE SOULS.
I thought the Old Testament was retitled WAR GOD OF ANCIENT ISRAEL. I
seem to have misplaced my copy, unfortunately.
Andrew.
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>>> 1984 is more like an alternate-history novel, similar but different.
>>> And the SF element is not that strong. [BackTo1913]
>>
>> Interesting. So it isn't SF, because it would interfere with your
>> cock-eyed theory. [Justin Bacon]
>
> He's trolling again Justin, Ignore him.
Are you sure the Feudalist is _capable_ of trolling? I mean, isn't
there an "intent" element of the crime that requires a realization
that one _is_ trolling?
-- William December Starr <wds...@crl.com>
You mean he may have disconnected his brain =by accident= ???
ROU Evolution in Action
>Justin Bacon said:
>
>>In article <7vj1fa$7k9$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, BackTo1913 <feud...@my-deja.com>
>>writes:
>>
>>>1984 is more like an alternate-history novel, similar but different.
>>>And the SF element is not that strong.
>>
>>Interesting. So it isn't SF, because it would interfere with your cock-eyed
>>theory.
>
>Of course, _1984_ *is* science fiction, because it was written in 1948. It's
>been overtaken by the passage of time, but of course it's science fiction ...
>Orwell postulated massive worldwise social and political changes, resulting in
>worldwide Stalinism. It's allegorical science fiction of the "If This Goes
>On" subgenre.
Yes, of *course* it's science fiction. I've already realized that actually
arguing with the Quonster is like arguing with a a brain-damaged five year old,
so I try to derive some value from his presence by ridiculing him at every
opportunity.
Justin Bacon
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Hey, I *knew* a brain damaged 5 year old, and Quonster, you are *no* brain
damaged 5 year old.
Sands, the other white meat.
>
>Justin Bacon
>tr...@prairie.lakes.com
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If you mean a brain-damaged five year old HAMSTER, I will agree. Of
course, I agree that 1984 is SF, although no bookstore will or SHOULD
put it on the SF shelves.
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Before you buy.
Wonderful. I was thinking that the people who promote that book are
always saying that it is the best selling book of all time and it IS SF
or Fantasy, anyway. BTW, it is easily the most STOLEN book of all time,
according to every bookseller I ever talked to.
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I hear it's recently been released as an omnibus edition, although
the old copies with the pretty illustrations are much nicer IMHO.
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Sheer age and class-assignments make it popular, and best-selling.