halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_

[Lynn McGuire]

I am halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_ and really,
http://www.amazon.com/Leviathan-Wakes-Expanse-James-Corey/dp/0316129089/
really enjoyed this sentence:

"Holden turned off his newsfeed, fidgeted in his
bunk, and tried to wake Miller by staring at him.
It didn't work. The massive radiation exposure
had failed to give him superpowers. Miller began
to snore."

I like a book that is serious but does not take
itself too seriously.

I'm enjoying the hard science in this book and
the bitterness of the characters involved.

Lynn

[Robert Carnegie]

On Sunday, July 29, 2012 11:29:25 PM UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> I like a book that is serious but does not take
> itself too seriously.
>
> I'm enjoying the hard science in this book and
> the bitterness of the characters involved.

It's a Kraken good read? :-)

Hmm, from the description I wonder if it is the political "Leviathan"
that is spoken of. Or, you are /meant/ to think of that, and /then/ -

(Or, it's quite a free version of _Hindle Wakes_.)

[David Dyer-Bennet]

I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
novel. I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.
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[Lynn McGuire]

On 7/29/2012 7:57 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> writes:
>
>> I am halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_ and really,
>> http://www.amazon.com/Leviathan-Wakes-Expanse-James-Corey/dp/0316129089/
>> really enjoyed this sentence:
>>
>> "Holden turned off his newsfeed, fidgeted in his
>> bunk, and tried to wake Miller by staring at him.
>> It didn't work. The massive radiation exposure
>> had failed to give him superpowers. Miller began
>> to snore."
>>
>> I like a book that is serious but does not take
>> itself too seriously.
>>
>> I'm enjoying the hard science in this book and
>> the bitterness of the characters involved.
>
> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
> novel. I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.

What are the eight deadly words ?

Thanks,
Lynn

[Kip Williams]

"I don't care what happens to these people."

Extra emphasis on WHAT optional.


Kip W
rasfw

[David DeLaney]

(tm) Dorothy of this very newsgroup.

Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

[Kip Williams]

David DeLaney wrote:
> Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 7/29/2012 7:57 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>>>> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
>>>> novel. I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.
>>>
>>> What are the eight deadly words ?
>>
>> "I don't care what happens to these people."
>>
>> Extra emphasis on WHAT optional.
>
> (tm) Dorothy of this very newsgroup.

I blush at my omission.


Kip W
rasfw

[Lynn McGuire]

On 7/29/2012 7:57 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

> Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> writes:
>
>> I am halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_ and really,
>> http://www.amazon.com/Leviathan-Wakes-Expanse-James-Corey/dp/0316129089/
>> really enjoyed this sentence:
>>
>> "Holden turned off his newsfeed, fidgeted in his
>> bunk, and tried to wake Miller by staring at him.
>> It didn't work. The massive radiation exposure
>> had failed to give him superpowers. Miller began
>> to snore."
>>
>> I like a book that is serious but does not take
>> itself too seriously.
>>
>> I'm enjoying the hard science in this book and
>> the bitterness of the characters involved.
>
> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
> novel. I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.

What is the difference between Zombies and people
affected by a bio-engineered virus ?

Lynn

[david.sh...@ymail.com]

On Jul 29, 8:57 pm, David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
> novel.  I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.

How did you find _Deadline_, the more explicitly zombie-ful Hugo list
novel?

[Robert Carnegie]

On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:34:54 PM UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> What is the difference between Zombies and people
> affected by a bio-engineered virus ?

Ohh... one has a craving for brains, and the other has... um...

...malpractice claims?

[Wayne Throop]

:: Lynn McGuire
:: What is the difference between Zombies and people

:: affected by a bio-engineered virus ?

: Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com>
: Ohh... one has a craving for brains, and the other has... um...
: ...malpractice claims?

The virus pretty much melted their flesh and fused them into a lump, some
parts of which could still beg to die. And did even more bizarre things
when it got loose in a larger colony habitat, and/or had a longer time to
process its raw materials. I suppose it can be viewed as a sort of death
and undead afterlife. But it didn't really seem very zombie-like to me.

So... one has craving for brains, and the other begs to die.
(Hard to press malpractice claims on aliens lightyears and eons away.)


"All we want to do is eat your brains.
We're not unreasonable... I mean noone's going to eat your eyes."
--- Jonathan Coulten

"In the afterlife
You may be headed for the serious strife..."
--- Squirrel Nut Zippers

[Howard Brazee]

I'd like to see a zombie version of The Scarecrow of Oz.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

[Lynn McGuire]

On 7/31/2012 3:53 PM, Wayne Throop wrote:
> :: Lynn McGuire
> :: What is the difference between Zombies and people
> :: affected by a bio-engineered virus ?
>
> : Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com>
> : Ohh... one has a craving for brains, and the other has... um...
> : ...malpractice claims?
>
> The virus pretty much melted their flesh and fused them into a lump, some
> parts of which could still beg to die. And did even more bizarre things
> when it got loose in a larger colony habitat, and/or had a longer time to
> process its raw materials. I suppose it can be viewed as a sort of death
> and undead afterlife. But it didn't really seem very zombie-like to me.
>
> So... one has craving for brains, and the other begs to die.
> (Hard to press malpractice claims on aliens lightyears and eons away.)

My thought exactly.

Lynn

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <jkjg18hrtd0e86bch...@4ax.com>,

Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:49:02 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
><rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:34:54 PM UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> What is the difference between Zombies and people
>>> affected by a bio-engineered virus ?
>>
>>Ohh... one has a craving for brains, and the other has... um...
>>
>>...malpractice claims?
>
>
>I'd like to see a zombie version of The Scarecrow of Oz.
>

Not that, but something I've always wanted to post here:

http://tednolan.net/misc/brains.jpg
--
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

[David Dyer-Bennet]

Very little; some details of the exact path traveled by the hands while
waving frantically. Both of them don't bear examination, they make no
sense.

[David Dyer-Bennet]

thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) writes:

> :: Lynn McGuire
> :: What is the difference between Zombies and people
> :: affected by a bio-engineered virus ?
>
> : Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com>
> : Ohh... one has a craving for brains, and the other has... um...
> : ...malpractice claims?
>
> The virus pretty much melted their flesh and fused them into a lump, some
> parts of which could still beg to die. And did even more bizarre things
> when it got loose in a larger colony habitat, and/or had a longer time to
> process its raw materials. I suppose it can be viewed as a sort of death
> and undead afterlife. But it didn't really seem very zombie-like to me.

They ran around infecting people; seems nearly identical to me.

[David Dyer-Bennet]

Read the first third, or some such. I read all of Feed and mostly liked
it, despite the basic stupidities in so many directions, because of the
characters. She fixed that for the second one.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <ylfka9yf...@dd-b.net>,

David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>david.sh...@ymail.com writes:
>
>> On Jul 29, 8:57 pm, David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>>> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
>>> novel.  I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.
>>
>> How did you find _Deadline_, the more explicitly zombie-ful Hugo list
>> novel?
>
>Read the first third, or some such. I read all of Feed and mostly liked
>it, despite the basic stupidities in so many directions, because of the
>characters. She fixed that for the second one.
>--

Then she fixed the fix.

[Sjouke Burry]

Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote in news:jv9c1b$blt$1...@dont-email.me:

You obviously dont read SF, or you would know,
and explain it to us.

[David DeLaney]

One craves brains, and the other braves cranes?

[Wayne Throop]

:: The virus pretty much melted their flesh and fused them into a lump,

:: some parts of which could still beg to die. And did even more
:: bizarre things when it got loose in a larger colony habitat, and/or
:: had a longer time to process its raw materials. I suppose it can be
:: viewed as a sort of death and undead afterlife. But it didn't really
:: seem very zombie-like to me.

: David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>
: They ran around infecting people; seems nearly identical to me.

So, the common cold creates zombies. Or something nearly identical.
Good to know.

[Robert Carnegie]

On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:53:57 PM UTC+1, Wayne Throop wrote:

> :: Lynn McGuire
>
> :: What is the difference between Zombies and people
> :: affected by a bio-engineered virus ?
>
>
> : Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com>
>
> : Ohh... one has a craving for brains, and the other has... um...
> : ...malpractice claims?
>
> The virus pretty much melted their flesh and fused them into a lump, some
> parts of which could still beg to die. And did even more bizarre things
> when it got loose in a larger colony habitat, and/or had a longer time to
> process its raw materials. I suppose it can be viewed as a sort of death
> and undead afterlife. But it didn't really seem very zombie-like to me.
>
> So... one has craving for brains, and the other begs to die.
> (Hard to press malpractice claims on aliens lightyears and eons away.)

But, clearly it's a metaphor for a class action!

I don't know why we're talking about zombies, isn't it The Blob?

Well, anyway, one finds life unendurable, and one finds life delicious!

One has body parts added on, and one has body parts that drop off...

One turns into a ghastly mass of plastic tissue, and Michael Jackson
turns into the other one. I had to think about this one but I think
I got it the right way around.

[David Dyer-Bennet]

t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:

> In article <ylfka9yf...@dd-b.net>,
> David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>>david.sh...@ymail.com writes:
>>

>>> On Jul 29, 8:57 pm, David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>>>> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie

>>>> novel.  I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.

>>>
>>> How did you find _Deadline_, the more explicitly zombie-ful Hugo list
>>> novel?
>>
>>Read the first third, or some such. I read all of Feed and mostly liked
>>it, despite the basic stupidities in so many directions, because of the
>>characters. She fixed that for the second one.

> Then she fixed the fix.

Sort-of, but in a way that is nonsense from what we know of how memory
works (Lydy finished it). And having her filtered through her idiot
brother really didn't work very well.

[David Dyer-Bennet]

As a deliberate goal. Even though they'd lost human cognition.

[Greg Goss]

Sjouke Burry <s@b> wrote:
>Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote in news:jv9c1b$blt$1...@dont-email.me:

>> What is the difference between Zombies and people
>> affected by a bio-engineered virus ?
>>
>You obviously dont read SF, or you would know,
>and explain it to us.

Read? I thought he was talking about the Quantum Leap episode.
--
I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <ylfkpq7a...@dd-b.net>,

David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>
>> In article <ylfka9yf...@dd-b.net>,
>> David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>>>david.sh...@ymail.com writes:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 8:57 pm, David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>>>>> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
>>>>> novel.  I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.
>>>>
>>>> How did you find _Deadline_, the more explicitly zombie-ful Hugo list
>>>> novel?
>>>
>>>Read the first third, or some such. I read all of Feed and mostly liked
>>>it, despite the basic stupidities in so many directions, because of the
>>>characters. She fixed that for the second one.
>
>> Then she fixed the fix.
>
>Sort-of, but in a way that is nonsense from what we know of how memory
>works (Lydy finished it). And having her filtered through her idiot
>brother really didn't work very well.
>--
>David Dyer-Bennet, dd...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/

Ah yes, you didn't finish the book..

[Wayne Throop]

::: I read all of Feed and mostly liked it, despite the basic

::: stupidities in so many directions, because of the characters. She
::: fixed that for the second one.

:: Then she fixed the fix.

: David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>
: Sort-of, but in a way that is nonsense from what we know of how memory
: works (Lydy finished it).

Hm? Not that I'm a big admirer of the third book, but assuming you mean
the third book, they had her intact, active brain to scan with evoked
potentials and doubtless all manner of other things they didn't mention.
What, specifically, conflicts with what we know of how memory works.
I mean, yes, it's horribly implausible, but I didn't see anything that
actually ruled it out.

[David Dyer-Bennet]

thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) writes:

> ::: I read all of Feed and mostly liked it, despite the basic
> ::: stupidities in so many directions, because of the characters. She
> ::: fixed that for the second one.
>
> :: Then she fixed the fix.
>
> : David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>
> : Sort-of, but in a way that is nonsense from what we know of how memory
> : works (Lydy finished it).
>
> Hm? Not that I'm a big admirer of the third book, but assuming you mean
> the third book, they had her intact, active brain to scan with evoked
> potentials and doubtless all manner of other things they didn't mention.

No, we're in the second book. Cloning won't do a thing with memory.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

Hmm, I'm not sure what "Lydy finished it" means, but I thought he explicitly
said he had not finished book 2.

Of course we are into SPOILER TERRITORY now




but I thought the bit about how Geroge II's memories were transferred was
a handwave of the first order, especially as George I went out with a headshot.

Overall (as I mentioned here in my reviews a week or so back), I thought
the setup given to us in Chapter 1 Book 1 was wasted. We are explicitly
told that zombies get smarter the more of them gather together. Clearly
there is some sort of telepathic component to the virus. Rather than use
that to handwave Shaun's internal voice of George being "real" and leverage
it into a memory transfer for George II, it was just a total red herring.

[David Dyer-Bennet]

t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:

> In article <13438...@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop <thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>>::: I read all of Feed and mostly liked it, despite the basic
>>::: stupidities in so many directions, because of the characters. She
>>::: fixed that for the second one.
>>
>>:: Then she fixed the fix.
>>
>>: David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>
>>: Sort-of, but in a way that is nonsense from what we know of how memory
>>: works (Lydy finished it).
>>
>>Hm? Not that I'm a big admirer of the third book, but assuming you mean
>>the third book, they had her intact, active brain to scan with evoked
>>potentials and doubtless all manner of other things they didn't mention.
>>What, specifically, conflicts with what we know of how memory works.
>>I mean, yes, it's horribly implausible, but I didn't see anything that
>>actually ruled it out.
>>
>>
>
> Hmm, I'm not sure what "Lydy finished it" means, but I thought he explicitly
> said he had not finished book 2.

Housemate finished it so I know some things about parts I didn't read.

> Of course we are into SPOILER TERRITORY now
>
>
>
>
> but I thought the bit about how Geroge II's memories were transferred was
> a handwave of the first order, especially as George I went out with a headshot.
>
> Overall (as I mentioned here in my reviews a week or so back), I thought
> the setup given to us in Chapter 1 Book 1 was wasted. We are explicitly
> told that zombies get smarter the more of them gather together. Clearly
> there is some sort of telepathic component to the virus. Rather than use
> that to handwave Shaun's internal voice of George being "real" and leverage
> it into a memory transfer for George II, it was just a total red herring.

Yes, that too. Stupid books!

[Wayne Throop]

:: Hm? Not that I'm a big admirer of the third book, but assuming you

:: mean the third book, they had her intact, active brain to scan with
:: evoked potentials and doubtless all manner of other things they
:: didn't mention.

: David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>
: No, we're in the second book. Cloning won't do a thing with memory.

Ah. In the second book, she concludes she's a "clone".
Of course, right off the bat it's clear she's much much more than
a clone (that is, much much more than mere DNA was gotten from her
original). In the third book, they mention the forced-maturity
and the memory implants.

[Michael Stemper]

In article <ylfklihy...@dd-b.net>, David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net> writes:
>thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) writes:
>> : David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>

>> :: The virus pretty much melted their flesh and fused them into a lump,
>> :: some parts of which could still beg to die. And did even more
>> :: bizarre things when it got loose in a larger colony habitat, and/or
>> :: had a longer time to process its raw materials. I suppose it can be
>> :: viewed as a sort of death and undead afterlife. But it didn't really
>> :: seem very zombie-like to me.
>>

>> : They ran around infecting people; seems nearly identical to me.
>>
>> So, the common cold creates zombies. Or something nearly identical.
>> Good to know.
>
>As a deliberate goal. Even though they'd lost human cognition.

The only story I've ever read in which people degenerate to the virus
that causes the common cold is "Pbyq Jne", ol Urael Xhggare. The people
who degenerate were pretty malicious, and they kept that malice. As
most of us have experienced.

--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Life's too important to take seriously.

[David Johnston]

People affected by a bio-engineered virus that makes them stupid and
compelled to spread their infection are just one of the flavours of
zombie.