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Barbarian Mutual
Oct 3, 2012, 8:36:28 AM10/3/12
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About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
"crop yield" more often.
Harvesting sounds like something you'd hear from some B-grade sci-fi
flick of some kind. Like the teeny stuff you hear on the SyFy
Channel. I can't think of where else you'd hear of the term
"harvesting" in today's world. Can any of you?
experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
"crop yield" more often.
Harvesting sounds like something you'd hear from some B-grade sci-fi
flick of some kind. Like the teeny stuff you hear on the SyFy
Channel. I can't think of where else you'd hear of the term
"harvesting" in today's world. Can any of you?
Francis A. Miniter
Oct 3, 2012, 10:39:29 AM10/3/12
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--
Francis A. Miniter
Mesure is Medicine þauh þou muche ȝeor[n]e.
Al nis not good to þe gost þat þe bodi lykeþ,
Ne lyflode to þe licam þat leof is to þe soule.
William Langland, The Vision of Piers Plowman
Passus I, lines 33 - 35
Greg Goss
Oct 3, 2012, 11:03:14 AM10/3/12
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Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
>experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
>about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
>"crop yield" more often.
To my mind, "harvesting" means to remove something and sell it.
>About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
>experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
>about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
>"crop yield" more often.
That's a fair description of what you do to a crop, and also a fair
description of removing the value from corporations. The word works
for me, but not as an activity that would make anyone electable.
>Harvesting sounds like something you'd hear from some B-grade sci-fi
>flick of some kind. Like the teeny stuff you hear on the SyFy
>Channel. I can't think of where else you'd hear of the term
>"harvesting" in today's world. Can any of you?
they just call themselves "International".
"Crop yield" is a measurement. "Harvest" is what you do with it. I
live in a large city embedded in endless prairie -- my clock radio
wakes me up with ads for pesticides, GMO canola strains and harvesting
equipment.
--
I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.
Robert Carnegie
Oct 3, 2012, 11:11:08 AM10/3/12
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27 years ago. The movie _Wall Street_ was in 1987, that held up the
motto "Greed is good. Greed works" for our thoughtful examination.
Maybe it's a technology industry thing particularly, and that's what
I've been interested in and reading about for years, but starting a
little company that develops a product that everyone wants, and then
is taken over by a much bigger company, seems to me pretty much normal.
But that probably only works with a company that is doing something
new, and different, and patented?
I think you might call that act to "cash in", or "cash out", or
"sell out" if you're being reproachful.
By the way, the well-known and somewhat mocked British chain of
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvester_%28restaurant%29> is described
there as changing ownership several times, while retaining the brand.
Maybe kind of like all of those defunct car marques or superhero names
that now belong to one to the remaining big names in the business,
which for superheroes may be surprisingly Disney and Warner Brothers.
"Harvester Restaurants is a popular family farmhouse-style
licensed restaurant chain with 200 outlets (as of April 2012)
in the United Kingdom." "Family" seems to refer to customers
rather than owners - which was originally the "Courage" brewery
and bar ("public house") chain - "licensed" means that alcohol
is sold, which is common.
Other references online to "harvesting" do seem to involve mostly
vegetable matter of one sort or another, as you'd expect. You'd
also some Christian religious and possibly catastrophic references,
along with any other religion where someday God's coming back and
everyone is going to die, except perhaps the Norse, where it might
be considered a vulgar comparison: dying's supposed to be fun, for
them, isn't it?
anim8rFSK
Oct 3, 2012, 11:33:46 AM10/3/12
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In article <ad32cq...@mid.individual.net>,
and go out and pick them for your own use, is that not a harvest?
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
> Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
> >experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
> >about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
> >"crop yield" more often.
>
> To my mind, "harvesting" means to remove something and sell it.
Why does 'harvest' require selling? If you grow your own vegetables,
> Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
> >experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
> >about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
> >"crop yield" more often.
>
> To my mind, "harvesting" means to remove something and sell it.
and go out and pick them for your own use, is that not a harvest?
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Oct 3, 2012, 11:49:21 AM10/3/12
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Harvesting is a normal word in agriculture. it is the the process of
gathering in crops. Some crops are harvested using a "combine
harvester".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combine_harvester
In the medical world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting
Organ harvesting refers to the removal, preservation and use of
human organs and tissue from the bodies of the recently deceased to
be used in surgical transplants on the living.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.english.usage)
tony cooper
Oct 3, 2012, 11:49:22 AM10/3/12
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:33:46 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
wrote:
There's a medical use of "harvest". When a person dies, the person's
organs may be harvested for transplantation into another person.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
wrote:
organs may be harvested for transplantation into another person.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
art...@yahoo.com
Oct 3, 2012, 12:20:54 PM10/3/12
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On Oct 3, 8:36 am, Barbarian Mutual
"Red Harvest" is a bit out of date, alas....
Frederick Williams
Oct 3, 2012, 12:36:27 PM10/3/12
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tony cooper wrote:
>
> There's a medical use of "harvest". When a person dies, the person's
> organs may be harvested for transplantation into another person.
The organs have to be removed before the person is dead, else they are
>
> There's a medical use of "harvest". When a person dies, the person's
> organs may be harvested for transplantation into another person.
useless. That is why doctors invented the term 'brain dead', so that
they could claim to the relatives that someone was dead when they were
not.
--
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Oping the dusky eyelids of the south,
Till shade and silence waken up as one,
And morning sings with a warm odorous mouth.
Michael Stemper
Oct 3, 2012, 1:09:57 PM10/3/12
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In article <ad32cq...@mid.individual.net>, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> writes:
>Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
>>experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
>>about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
>>"crop yield" more often.
>Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
>>experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
>>about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
>>"crop yield" more often.
>"Crop yield" is a measurement. "Harvest" is what you do with it. I
>live in a large city embedded in endless prairie -- my clock radio
>wakes me up with ads for pesticides,
And in about a month, if I remember the cycle right, they'll be
>live in a large city embedded in endless prairie -- my clock radio
>wakes me up with ads for pesticides,
pushing the pre-emergent herbicides so that their brand's in mind
when February or so comes along.
> strains and harvesting
>equipment.
Do they give daily reports on the market clearing prices for hogs and
cattle and such, or isn't there much of that activity in your parts?
--
Michael F. Stemper
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Chris F.A. Johnson
Oct 3, 2012, 1:34:38 PM10/3/12
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on the Internet is known as data harvesting.
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jimbairn
Oct 3, 2012, 2:14:13 PM10/3/12
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On 03/10/2012 18:34, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
> On 2012-10-03, Barbarian Mutual wrote:
>> About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
>> experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
>> about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
>> "crop yield" more often.
>>
>> Harvesting sounds like something you'd hear from some B-grade sci-fi
>> flick of some kind. Like the teeny stuff you hear on the SyFy
>> Channel. I can't think of where else you'd hear of the term
>> "harvesting" in today's world. Can any of you?
>
> The practice of obtaining users' personal information (and ther information)
> on the Internet is known as data harvesting.
>
If, as I do, you go to business networking meetings,"harvesters" are the
> On 2012-10-03, Barbarian Mutual wrote:
>> About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
>> experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
>> about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
>> "crop yield" more often.
>>
>> Harvesting sounds like something you'd hear from some B-grade sci-fi
>> flick of some kind. Like the teeny stuff you hear on the SyFy
>> Channel. I can't think of where else you'd hear of the term
>> "harvesting" in today's world. Can any of you?
>
> The practice of obtaining users' personal information (and ther information)
> on the Internet is known as data harvesting.
>
people sent purely and simply to gather as many business cards as
possible so that their companies can send you junk mail and emails.
JimB
Rod Speed
Oct 3, 2012, 2:13:02 PM10/3/12
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Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfina...@yahoo.com> wrote
> About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
> experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
> about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
> "crop yield" more often.
But still use the word harvest quite a bit even now.
> Harvesting sounds like something you'd hear from some B-grade
> sci-fi flick of some kind. Like the teeny stuff you hear on the SyFy
> Channel. I can't think of where else you'd hear of the term
> "harvesting" in today's world. Can any of you?
Well, there is the traditional use of the term harvest festival,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvest_festival
and that well known operation International Harvester.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Harvester
> About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
> experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
> about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
> "crop yield" more often.
> Harvesting sounds like something you'd hear from some B-grade
> sci-fi flick of some kind. Like the teeny stuff you hear on the SyFy
> Channel. I can't think of where else you'd hear of the term
> "harvesting" in today's world. Can any of you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvest_festival
and that well known operation International Harvester.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Harvester
Rod Speed
Oct 3, 2012, 2:30:47 PM10/3/12
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Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote
Google, Ebay etc etc etc.
> But that probably only works with a company that is
> doing something new, and different, and patented?
It also happens with smaller competitors too.
> Barbarian Mutual wrote
>> About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of
>> this business experience and success, the term "harvesting"
>> doesn't remind anyone about "business terminology". And
>> in agriculture, they use the term "crop yield" more often.
>> Harvesting sounds like something you'd hear from some B-grade
>> sci-fi flick of some kind. Like the teeny stuff you hear on the SyFy
>> Channel. I can't think of where else you'd hear of the term
>> "harvesting" in today's world. Can any of you?
> Apparently he said it in 1985 so it /isn't/ in today's world, it's 27
> years ago. The movie _Wall Street_ was in 1987, that held up the
> motto "Greed is good. Greed works" for our thoughtful examination.
> Maybe it's a technology industry thing particularly, and that's what
> I've been interested in and reading about for years, but starting a
> little company that develops a product that everyone wants, and then
> is taken over by a much bigger company, seems to me pretty much normal.
They don't always get taken over, most obviously with Microsoft, Apple,
>> About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of
>> this business experience and success, the term "harvesting"
>> doesn't remind anyone about "business terminology". And
>> in agriculture, they use the term "crop yield" more often.
>> Harvesting sounds like something you'd hear from some B-grade
>> sci-fi flick of some kind. Like the teeny stuff you hear on the SyFy
>> Channel. I can't think of where else you'd hear of the term
>> "harvesting" in today's world. Can any of you?
> Apparently he said it in 1985 so it /isn't/ in today's world, it's 27
> years ago. The movie _Wall Street_ was in 1987, that held up the
> motto "Greed is good. Greed works" for our thoughtful examination.
> Maybe it's a technology industry thing particularly, and that's what
> I've been interested in and reading about for years, but starting a
> little company that develops a product that everyone wants, and then
> is taken over by a much bigger company, seems to me pretty much normal.
Google, Ebay etc etc etc.
> But that probably only works with a company that is
> doing something new, and different, and patented?
Transition Zone
Oct 3, 2012, 2:57:45 PM10/3/12
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On Oct 3, 11:02 am, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
should know that having had something to do with the industry, but so
many domestic and foreign companies combine that its tough, sometimes).
> Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfinancialservi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
> >experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
> >about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
> >"crop yield" more often.
>
> To my mind, "harvesting" means to remove something and sell it.
> That's a fair description of what you do to a crop, and also a fair
> description of removing the value from corporations. The word works
> for me, but not as an activity that would make anyone electable.
>
> >Harvesting sounds like something you'd hear from some B-grade sci-fi
> >flick of some kind. Like the teeny stuff you hear on the SyFy
> >Channel. I can't think of where else you'd hear of the term
> >"harvesting" in today's world. Can any of you?
>
> Ever hear of a company called "International Harvester"? In
trucks
>they just call themselves "International".
Are they the same as Navistar? Navistar International (I guess I
> >About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
> >experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
> >about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
> >"crop yield" more often.
>
> To my mind, "harvesting" means to remove something and sell it.
> That's a fair description of what you do to a crop, and also a fair
> description of removing the value from corporations. The word works
> for me, but not as an activity that would make anyone electable.
>
> >Harvesting sounds like something you'd hear from some B-grade sci-fi
> >flick of some kind. Like the teeny stuff you hear on the SyFy
> >Channel. I can't think of where else you'd hear of the term
> >"harvesting" in today's world. Can any of you?
>
> Ever hear of a company called "International Harvester"? In
trucks
>they just call themselves "International".
should know that having had something to do with the industry, but so
many domestic and foreign companies combine that its tough, sometimes).
curmudgeon
Oct 3, 2012, 8:30:38 PM10/3/12
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I could not find the term Harvesting, in my 2006 book A Dictionary of
Bullshit by Diane Law.
This book also goes by the Tag Line, A Lexicon of Corporate and Office
Speak.
The closest I could come to the term Harvesting was;
Harness (verb)
1. to control, rein in or utilize an idea or resources,
as in to Harness the power of nature,or to Harness the energy and creativity
of employees.
2. can also be used as a polite term for stealing someone else's ideas.
Bullshit by Diane Law.
This book also goes by the Tag Line, A Lexicon of Corporate and Office
Speak.
The closest I could come to the term Harvesting was;
Harness (verb)
1. to control, rein in or utilize an idea or resources,
as in to Harness the power of nature,or to Harness the energy and creativity
of employees.
2. can also be used as a polite term for stealing someone else's ideas.
Francis A. Miniter
Oct 3, 2012, 8:31:59 PM10/3/12
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On 10/3/2012 12:36 PM, Frederick Williams wrote:
> tony cooper wrote:
>
>>
>> There's a medical use of "harvest". When a person dies, the person's
>> organs may be harvested for transplantation into another person.
>
> The organs have to be removed before the person is dead, else they are
> useless. That is why doctors invented the term 'brain dead', so that
> they could claim to the relatives that someone was dead when they were
> not.
>
>
Not so. The existence of modern medical machinery meant
> tony cooper wrote:
>
>>
>> There's a medical use of "harvest". When a person dies, the person's
>> organs may be harvested for transplantation into another person.
>
> The organs have to be removed before the person is dead, else they are
> useless. That is why doctors invented the term 'brain dead', so that
> they could claim to the relatives that someone was dead when they were
> not.
>
>
that we can force the body to pump oxygen into the lungs and
then into the blood supply when there is no ability of the
brain to issue these commands because the brain has ceased
to function. In essence, we can pump oxygen through a
corpse. There had to be some way to take people off of such
pumps when there was no hope of recovery. Otherwise, we
would have millions of people on these pumps for decades.
Hence the need for a new definition of dead: brain dead.
When such a pump is removed from a brain dead person, the
body will cease to pump oxygen.
The harvesting of organs came later and does not depend in
all cases on the pumping of oxygen through the body, e.g.
eyes. But harvesting does then have to be performed quickly.
Greg Goss
Oct 3, 2012, 8:40:15 PM10/3/12
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are NOT reported. I guess they do that on the internet. We get
natural gas, oil and gold prices, which relate to my city's urban
corporate management culture centered on the oil biz (and gold?
Shrug.) But not pork bellies or grain prices on the radio.
dave
Oct 3, 2012, 10:45:12 PM10/3/12
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definition that would suit your Repub candidate, Mittens:
A harvest strategy, more commonly called an exit strategy, is the way an
entrepreneur or investor intends to extract his money from a business
after it has become successful. This section of a business plan details
what strategy the entrepreneur has chosen, and how much money he expects
to gain.
Read more: What Is a Harvest Strategy in a Business Plan? | eHow.com
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5990824_harvest-strategy-business-plan_.html#ixzz28IJdkFaf
Allen Abel
Oct 3, 2012, 11:39:20 PM10/3/12
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"Transition Zone" <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eae14dcb-1667-4ee4...@o8g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
"International Harvester sold off its agricultural division in 1985 and
renamed the company Navistar International Corporation in 1986. Case IH was
formed when the agricultural division merged with J.I. Case."
Greg Goss
Oct 4, 2012, 3:35:37 AM10/4/12
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"Allen Abel" <ala...@dpc.net> wrote:
>From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Harvester :
>
>"International Harvester sold off its agricultural division in 1985 and
>renamed the company Navistar International Corporation in 1986. Case IH was
>formed when the agricultural division merged with J.I. Case."
I've been hearing International Harvester advertising for ag stuff. I
>From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Harvester :
>
>"International Harvester sold off its agricultural division in 1985 and
>renamed the company Navistar International Corporation in 1986. Case IH was
>formed when the agricultural division merged with J.I. Case."
guess that means that Case has resurrected the label. I didn't hear
anything about it between the eighties and the mid twokays, but I
wasn't living in ag territory till 2005.
manish shah
Oct 4, 2012, 5:41:31 AM10/4/12
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Oct 4, 2012, 9:33:48 AM10/4/12
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On 03/10/2012 17:36, Frederick Williams wrote:
> tony cooper wrote:
>
>>
>> There's a medical use of "harvest". When a person dies, the person's
>> organs may be harvested for transplantation into another person.
>
> The organs have to be removed before the person is dead, else they are
> useless. That is why doctors invented the term 'brain dead', so that
> they could claim to the relatives that someone was dead when they were
> not.
As you clearly object to people being kept alive artificially, perhaps
> tony cooper wrote:
>
>>
>> There's a medical use of "harvest". When a person dies, the person's
>> organs may be harvested for transplantation into another person.
>
> The organs have to be removed before the person is dead, else they are
> useless. That is why doctors invented the term 'brain dead', so that
> they could claim to the relatives that someone was dead when they were
> not.
you would prefer the term "Biblically Dead"?
--
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Walter Bushell
Oct 4, 2012, 10:11:43 AM10/4/12
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In article <ad32cq...@mid.individual.net>,
I think "Ayn Rand Christian" is my own invention, at least I don't
recall seeing it elsewhere.
Googles
Oh bother it, it's fairly widespread; apparently it's an attractive
object in meme space.
--
This space unintentionally left blank.
Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
> To my mind, "harvesting" means to remove something and sell it.
> That's a fair description of what you do to a crop, and also a fair
> description of removing the value from corporations. The word works
> for me, but not as an activity that would make anyone electable.
It appears to be so among Ayn Rand Christians.
> To my mind, "harvesting" means to remove something and sell it.
> That's a fair description of what you do to a crop, and also a fair
> description of removing the value from corporations. The word works
> for me, but not as an activity that would make anyone electable.
I think "Ayn Rand Christian" is my own invention, at least I don't
recall seeing it elsewhere.
Googles
Oh bother it, it's fairly widespread; apparently it's an attractive
object in meme space.
--
This space unintentionally left blank.
Walter Bushell
Oct 4, 2012, 10:14:17 AM10/4/12
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> "Crop yield" is a measurement. "Harvest" is what you do with it. I
> live in a large city embedded in endless prairie -- my clock radio
> wakes me up with ads for pesticides, GMO canola strains and harvesting
> equipment.
Way back when, I remember going through southern Virginia and North
> live in a large city embedded in endless prairie -- my clock radio
> wakes me up with ads for pesticides, GMO canola strains and harvesting
> equipment.
Carolina and every radio station had prices for tobacco of various
grades.
David DeLaney
Oct 4, 2012, 2:12:49 PM10/4/12
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Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>> "Crop yield" is a measurement. "Harvest" is what you do with it. I
>> live in a large city embedded in endless prairie -- my clock radio
>> wakes me up with ads for pesticides, GMO canola strains and harvesting
>> equipment.
>
>Way back when, I remember going through southern Virginia and North
>Carolina and every radio station had prices for tobacco of various grades.
ObSF:
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>> "Crop yield" is a measurement. "Harvest" is what you do with it. I
>> live in a large city embedded in endless prairie -- my clock radio
>> wakes me up with ads for pesticides, GMO canola strains and harvesting
>> equipment.
>
>Way back when, I remember going through southern Virginia and North
>Carolina and every radio station had prices for tobacco of various grades.
LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR,
IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?
Dave, this would actually make a good epitaph
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Barbarian Mutual
Oct 4, 2012, 3:07:17 PM10/4/12
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On Oct 3, 10:45 pm, dave <d...@fish.net> wrote:
>
> I was curious about the term, so I did a google on it. Here is a
> definition that would suit your Repub candidate, Mittens:
>
> A harvest strategy, more commonly called an exit strategy, is the way an
> entrepreneur or investor intends to extract his money from a
business
>after it has become successful. This section of a business plan
details
> what strategy the entrepreneur has chosen, and how much money he
expects
>to gain.
I see fairly different business definition is here:
>
> I was curious about the term, so I did a google on it. Here is a
> definition that would suit your Repub candidate, Mittens:
>
> A harvest strategy, more commonly called an exit strategy, is the way an
> entrepreneur or investor intends to extract his money from a
business
>after it has become successful. This section of a business plan
details
> what strategy the entrepreneur has chosen, and how much money he
expects
>to gain.
HARVESTING: A term used when a product is still being sold, although
it is no longer being invested in, prior to being withdrawn from the
market. (Business Encyclopedia - Study Master)
-- http://studymaster.org/business.php?startrow=800
Don Kuenz
Oct 4, 2012, 3:20:34 PM10/4/12
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Francis A. Miniter <fami...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I think of organ harvesting as in Tess Gerritsen's _Harvest_ .
Robin Cook's _Coma_ arguably ranks as the genre's granddaddy. It's a
good read that gets into the nuts and bolts of anesthesia.
Post-op amnesia used to bother me until it sank in that anesthesia is
supposed to induce amnesia. I'm most familiar with propofol. It's good
for procedures because it allows a patient to recover within minutes
after a drip stops.
Harvesting also means combines, semi trucks pulling bottom-dump
trailers, and grain elevators to me. First the combine mows through a
field faster than a mower through a lawn. Then it dumps its grain into
an open top bottom-dump trailer that gets covered for the trip to the
elevator. At the elevator the crew weighs the semi beforehand, the
grain gets dumped, and the crew weighs the now empty semi again.
--
Don Kuenz
> I think of organ harvesting as in Tess Gerritsen's _Harvest_ .
Robin Cook's _Coma_ arguably ranks as the genre's granddaddy. It's a
good read that gets into the nuts and bolts of anesthesia.
Post-op amnesia used to bother me until it sank in that anesthesia is
supposed to induce amnesia. I'm most familiar with propofol. It's good
for procedures because it allows a patient to recover within minutes
after a drip stops.
Harvesting also means combines, semi trucks pulling bottom-dump
trailers, and grain elevators to me. First the combine mows through a
field faster than a mower through a lawn. Then it dumps its grain into
an open top bottom-dump trailer that gets covered for the trip to the
elevator. At the elevator the crew weighs the semi beforehand, the
grain gets dumped, and the crew weighs the now empty semi again.
--
Don Kuenz
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Oct 4, 2012, 3:27:25 PM10/4/12
to
On 10/4/12 3:20 PM, Don Kuenz wrote:
> Francis A. Miniter <fami...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I think of organ harvesting as in Tess Gerritsen's _Harvest_ .
>
> Robin Cook's _Coma_ arguably ranks as the genre's granddaddy. It's a
> good read that gets into the nuts and bolts of anesthesia.
Niven's "Organlegging" stories pre-date _Coma_ by a decade.
> Francis A. Miniter <fami...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I think of organ harvesting as in Tess Gerritsen's _Harvest_ .
>
> Robin Cook's _Coma_ arguably ranks as the genre's granddaddy. It's a
> good read that gets into the nuts and bolts of anesthesia.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
Don Kuenz
Oct 4, 2012, 3:56:33 PM10/4/12
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"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> On 10/4/12 3:20 PM, Don Kuenz wrote:
>> Francis A. Miniter <fami...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I think of organ harvesting as in Tess Gerritsen's _Harvest_ .
>>
>> Robin Cook's _Coma_ arguably ranks as the genre's granddaddy. It's a
>> good read that gets into the nuts and bolts of anesthesia.
>
> Niven's "Organlegging" stories pre-date _Coma_ by a decade.
In that case it seems I lose yet another argument. ;) It's what comes
> On 10/4/12 3:20 PM, Don Kuenz wrote:
>> Francis A. Miniter <fami...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I think of organ harvesting as in Tess Gerritsen's _Harvest_ .
>>
>> Robin Cook's _Coma_ arguably ranks as the genre's granddaddy. It's a
>> good read that gets into the nuts and bolts of anesthesia.
>
> Niven's "Organlegging" stories pre-date _Coma_ by a decade.
from relying too much on Wiki to enumerate stories within a genre.
Be that as it may, Wiki did indeed help me remember _Coma_. There I
was, with this picture in mind http://www.hairballmedia.com/coma_2.jpg
plugging "bodies hanging from wires" into google and getting Hellraiser
errrm... links. When, along comes Wiki to save the day with its _Coma_
article.
"All's well that ends well."
--
Don Kuenz
Greg Goss
Oct 4, 2012, 5:23:28 PM10/4/12
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Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
No hogs -- around here, the ag commodities are "feeder cattle",
"breeder cattle", canola and wheat. Other grains (rye?) trail
distantly.
The market has just been disturbed -- the government broke the
long-term monopoly over rye/wheat by the mandatory marketing boards
about a year ago, and I expect things are still shaking up.
>mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>>Do they give daily reports on the market clearing prices for hogs and
>>cattle and such, or isn't there much of that activity in your parts?
>
>That's an interesting question I'd never thought of. Ag commodities
>are NOT reported. I guess they do that on the internet. We get
>natural gas, oil and gold prices, which relate to my city's urban
>corporate management culture centered on the oil biz (and gold?
>Shrug.) But not pork bellies or grain prices on the radio.
So, no prices, but we get ads for livestock auctions.
>>Do they give daily reports on the market clearing prices for hogs and
>>cattle and such, or isn't there much of that activity in your parts?
>
>That's an interesting question I'd never thought of. Ag commodities
>are NOT reported. I guess they do that on the internet. We get
>natural gas, oil and gold prices, which relate to my city's urban
>corporate management culture centered on the oil biz (and gold?
>Shrug.) But not pork bellies or grain prices on the radio.
No hogs -- around here, the ag commodities are "feeder cattle",
"breeder cattle", canola and wheat. Other grains (rye?) trail
distantly.
The market has just been disturbed -- the government broke the
long-term monopoly over rye/wheat by the mandatory marketing boards
about a year ago, and I expect things are still shaking up.
family
Oct 4, 2012, 5:49:29 PM10/4/12
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You might want to check out the two Michael Douglas movies,
Wall Street, and the sequel Wall Street; Money Never Sleeps.
Wall Street, and the sequel Wall Street; Money Never Sleeps.
Butch Malahide
Oct 4, 2012, 7:34:08 PM10/4/12
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On Oct 4, 12:42 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>
> ObSF:
>
> LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR,
> IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?
I don't recognize the quote (I'll guess Pratchett on account of the
>
> ObSF:
>
> LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR,
> IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?
capitals--yep, confirmed by startpage), but I'm wondering that the
thread got this far with no mention of (ObSF) Tom Godwin's "The
Harvest".
Pogonip
Oct 4, 2012, 8:08:24 PM10/4/12
to
On 10/4/2012 2:23 PM, Greg Goss wrote:
> So, no prices, but we get ads for livestock auctions.
>
> No hogs -- around here, the ag commodities are "feeder cattle",
> "breeder cattle", canola and wheat. Other grains (rye?) trail
> distantly.
>
> The market has just been disturbed -- the government broke the
> long-term monopoly over rye/wheat by the mandatory marketing boards
> about a year ago, and I expect things are still shaking up.
> --
One of my favorite memories of Johnny Carson was him recalling his first
> So, no prices, but we get ads for livestock auctions.
>
> No hogs -- around here, the ag commodities are "feeder cattle",
> "breeder cattle", canola and wheat. Other grains (rye?) trail
> distantly.
>
> The market has just been disturbed -- the government broke the
> long-term monopoly over rye/wheat by the mandatory marketing boards
> about a year ago, and I expect things are still shaking up.
> --
job in "show biz" when he was an early morning radio announcer. He had
to read the farm reports. Including "E We futures" ROFL
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
P. Taine
Oct 4, 2012, 8:19:32 PM10/4/12
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:20:34 -0500, Don Kuenz <gar...@crcomp.net> wrote:
>Francis A. Miniter <fami...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I think of organ harvesting as in Tess Gerritsen's _Harvest_ .
>
>Robin Cook's _Coma_ arguably ranks as the genre's granddaddy. It's a
>good read that gets into the nuts and bolts of anesthesia.
>
>Post-op amnesia used to bother me until it sank in that anesthesia is
>supposed to induce amnesia. I'm most familiar with propofol. It's good
>for procedures because it allows a patient to recover within minutes
>after a drip stops.
For one procedure the anesthesiologist told me I was getting "milk of amnesia".
>Francis A. Miniter <fami...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I think of organ harvesting as in Tess Gerritsen's _Harvest_ .
>
>Robin Cook's _Coma_ arguably ranks as the genre's granddaddy. It's a
>good read that gets into the nuts and bolts of anesthesia.
>
>Post-op amnesia used to bother me until it sank in that anesthesia is
>supposed to induce amnesia. I'm most familiar with propofol. It's good
>for procedures because it allows a patient to recover within minutes
>after a drip stops.
David DeLaney
Oct 4, 2012, 9:52:58 PM10/4/12
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Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 4, 12:42�pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>> ObSF:
>>
>> � �LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR,
>> � �IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?
>
>I don't recognize the quote (I'll guess Pratchett on account of the
>capitals--yep, confirmed by startpage),
O dear. Does this mean there's a Discworld you haven't read yet? (Or maybe
>On Oct 4, 12:42�pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>> ObSF:
>>
>> � �LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR,
>> � �IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?
>
>I don't recognize the quote (I'll guess Pratchett on account of the
>capitals--yep, confirmed by startpage),
that you haven't started them at all?) This is from _Reaper Man_, perhaps
unsurprisingly. While not quite as good as _Night Watch_ it's still very fine.
>but I'm wondering that the
>thread got this far with no mention of (ObSF) Tom Godwin's "The Harvest".
Butch Malahide
Oct 4, 2012, 9:44:49 PM10/4/12
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On Oct 4, 8:22 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
went and started at the beginning with _The Colour of Magic_ and _The
Light Fantastic_. After that, _Unseen Academicals_, which I got as a
present. I enjoyed them all, though none of them was as good as _Small
Gods_. Since I am a slow reader, and 75, it's clear that I'm not going
to read the whole series. Any recommendations? Am I correct in
believing that any one of them can be read independently?
> Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Oct 4, 12:42 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
> >> ObSF:
>
> >> LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR,
> >> IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?
>
> >I don't recognize the quote (I'll guess Pratchett on account of the
> >capitals--yep, confirmed by startpage),
>
> O dear. Does this mean there's a Discworld you haven't read yet? (Or maybe
> that you haven't started them at all?) This is from _Reaper Man_, perhaps
> unsurprisingly. While not quite as good as _Night Watch_ it's still very fine.
Slow reader. Started with _Small Gods_ which I liked very much. Then I
> >On Oct 4, 12:42 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
> >> ObSF:
>
> >> LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR,
> >> IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?
>
> >I don't recognize the quote (I'll guess Pratchett on account of the
> >capitals--yep, confirmed by startpage),
>
> O dear. Does this mean there's a Discworld you haven't read yet? (Or maybe
> that you haven't started them at all?) This is from _Reaper Man_, perhaps
> unsurprisingly. While not quite as good as _Night Watch_ it's still very fine.
went and started at the beginning with _The Colour of Magic_ and _The
Light Fantastic_. After that, _Unseen Academicals_, which I got as a
present. I enjoyed them all, though none of them was as good as _Small
Gods_. Since I am a slow reader, and 75, it's clear that I'm not going
to read the whole series. Any recommendations? Am I correct in
believing that any one of them can be read independently?
anim8rFSK
Oct 4, 2012, 7:51:20 PM10/4/12
to
In article <85OdnYzfNq3gmfPN...@bresnan.com>,
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
"family" <brit...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> You might want to check out the two Michael Douglas movies,
> Wall Street, and the sequel Wall Street; Money Never Sleeps.
Sheya LaBoof as Charlie Sheen? Really?
> You might want to check out the two Michael Douglas movies,
> Wall Street, and the sequel Wall Street; Money Never Sleeps.
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
anim8rFSK
Oct 4, 2012, 7:52:40 PM10/4/12
to
In article <k4knut$vjm$1...@dont-email.me>,
think he copied stuff that actually came after him.
> On 10/4/12 3:20 PM, Don Kuenz wrote:
> > Francis A. Miniter <fami...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I think of organ harvesting as in Tess Gerritsen's _Harvest_ .
> >
> > Robin Cook's _Coma_ arguably ranks as the genre's granddaddy. It's a
> > good read that gets into the nuts and bolts of anesthesia.
>
> Niven's "Organlegging" stories pre-date _Coma_ by a decade.
Another reason we'll never get any Niven stuff made; everybody will
> > Francis A. Miniter <fami...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I think of organ harvesting as in Tess Gerritsen's _Harvest_ .
> >
> > Robin Cook's _Coma_ arguably ranks as the genre's granddaddy. It's a
> > good read that gets into the nuts and bolts of anesthesia.
>
> Niven's "Organlegging" stories pre-date _Coma_ by a decade.
think he copied stuff that actually came after him.
Brian
Oct 4, 2012, 11:53:49 PM10/4/12
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:45:12 -0400, dave <da...@fish.net> wrote:
>I was curious about the term, so I did a google on it. Here is a
>definition that would suit your Repub candidate, Mittens:
>
>A harvest strategy, more commonly called an exit strategy, is the way an
>entrepreneur or investor intends to extract his money from a business
>after it has become successful. This section of a business plan details
>what strategy the entrepreneur has chosen, and how much money he expects
>to gain.
>
>Read more: What Is a Harvest Strategy in a Business Plan? | eHow.com
>http://www.ehow.com/facts_5990824_harvest-strategy-business-plan_.html#ixzz28IJdkFaf
Horrors! People invest money to make a profit.
>I was curious about the term, so I did a google on it. Here is a
>definition that would suit your Repub candidate, Mittens:
>
>A harvest strategy, more commonly called an exit strategy, is the way an
>entrepreneur or investor intends to extract his money from a business
>after it has become successful. This section of a business plan details
>what strategy the entrepreneur has chosen, and how much money he expects
>to gain.
>
>Read more: What Is a Harvest Strategy in a Business Plan? | eHow.com
>http://www.ehow.com/facts_5990824_harvest-strategy-business-plan_.html#ixzz28IJdkFaf
Wayne Throop
Oct 5, 2012, 12:02:36 AM10/5/12
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: Brian <drmorri...@comcast.net>
: Horrors! People invest money to make a profit.
The fiends!
"Oh, you brute, you brute, you vicious brute!"
--- chorus dancer to cowboy in Blazing Saddles
"Have you *ever* seen such *cruelty*?"
--- Rock Ridge resident breaking 4th wall
: Horrors! People invest money to make a profit.
The fiends!
"Oh, you brute, you brute, you vicious brute!"
--- chorus dancer to cowboy in Blazing Saddles
"Have you *ever* seen such *cruelty*?"
--- Rock Ridge resident breaking 4th wall
Kip Williams
Oct 5, 2012, 1:00:39 AM10/5/12
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Butch Malahide wrote, On 10/4/12 9:44 PM:
> Slow reader. Started with _Small Gods_ which I liked very much. Then I
> went and started at the beginning with _The Colour of Magic_ and _The
> Light Fantastic_. After that, _Unseen Academicals_, which I got as a
> present. I enjoyed them all, though none of them was as good as _Small
> Gods_.
I've wondered if I liked that one best because it was the first one I read.
It contains the wonderful sentence, "[character] caught his foot on a
thousand-year-old bonsai tree and hit his head on a large rock chosen
for its fundamental tranquility." (It's probably even wonderfuller when
quoted correctly.)
Kip W
rasfw
> Slow reader. Started with _Small Gods_ which I liked very much. Then I
> went and started at the beginning with _The Colour of Magic_ and _The
> Light Fantastic_. After that, _Unseen Academicals_, which I got as a
> present. I enjoyed them all, though none of them was as good as _Small
> Gods_.
It contains the wonderful sentence, "[character] caught his foot on a
thousand-year-old bonsai tree and hit his head on a large rock chosen
for its fundamental tranquility." (It's probably even wonderfuller when
quoted correctly.)
Kip W
rasfw
Moriarty
Oct 5, 2012, 1:58:10 AM10/5/12
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_Interesting Times_
"Two Little Wang tripped over a two-hundred-year-old bonsai tree and
hit his head on a rock chosen for its fundamental serenity."
-Moriarty
Robert Carnegie
Oct 5, 2012, 6:53:31 AM10/5/12
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On Friday, October 5, 2012 2:44:54 AM UTC+1, Butch Malahide wrote:
> [Terry Pratchett's Discworld]
and you may get more from reading them in order of publication, maybe
selectively. _Equal Rites_ and then _Wyrd Sisters_ introduce
witch magic and the little kingdom of Lancre, _Guards! Guards!_
shows a City Watch (police) impaired by malign neglect, and
you /may/ want to read _Mort_, then _Reaper Man_, then further
adventures of Death and his granddaughter (his daughter - adopted -
is in _The Light Fantastic_, and is /somewhat/ less creepy in _Mort_).
> [Terry Pratchett's Discworld]
> Slow reader. Started with _Small Gods_ which I liked very much.
> Then I went and started at the beginning with _The Colour of Magic_
> and _The Light Fantastic_. After that, _Unseen Academicals_, which
> I got as a present. I enjoyed them all, though none of them was
> as good as _Small Gods_. Since I am a slow reader, and 75, it's
> clear that I'm not going to read the whole series. Any recommendations?
> Am I correct in believing that any one of them can be read independently?
Some of them have recurring characters and occasional contradictions
> Then I went and started at the beginning with _The Colour of Magic_
> and _The Light Fantastic_. After that, _Unseen Academicals_, which
> I got as a present. I enjoyed them all, though none of them was
> as good as _Small Gods_. Since I am a slow reader, and 75, it's
> clear that I'm not going to read the whole series. Any recommendations?
> Am I correct in believing that any one of them can be read independently?
and you may get more from reading them in order of publication, maybe
selectively. _Equal Rites_ and then _Wyrd Sisters_ introduce
witch magic and the little kingdom of Lancre, _Guards! Guards!_
shows a City Watch (police) impaired by malign neglect, and
you /may/ want to read _Mort_, then _Reaper Man_, then further
adventures of Death and his granddaughter (his daughter - adopted -
is in _The Light Fantastic_, and is /somewhat/ less creepy in _Mort_).
David DeLaney
Oct 5, 2012, 8:58:33 AM10/5/12
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Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
characters do get some character development, and events in earlier books
shape later ones. The Ankh-Morpork City Guard/Sam Vimes & Captain Carrot, the
Witches/Granny Weatherwax, Unseen University/the Wizards/Rincewind, and Death/
Death & Albert & Susan Sto Helit.
Looks like you've gotten started on the third of these (but skipped a big
skip). There's also a thematically-related series where one or another concept
from our world Leaks Into the Discworld for a while. (Many of which involve
the small talking dog Gaspode...) And a few standalones, of which Small Gods
is one. There's also a young-adult subseries starring Tiffany Aching,
apprentice witch. There's a chart in the middle of the Wikipedia Discworld
page. And it reminds me there's also a "various cultures of Discworld" series,
where Small Gods fits in I guess.
>Any recommendations?
Well, eventually you should read Night Watch, which squeaks into the Best Of
The Series for me (but what competition!), which sort of means getting started
on the City Guards series - Guards! Guards!, Men at Arms, Feet of Clay, Jingo,
The Fifth Elephant, Night Watch, Thud!, Snuff. But the Death series is also
excellent (all of the series get off to a somewhat slow start, he perfected
his art as he went) - Mort, Reaper Man, Soul Music, Hogfather, Thief of Time -
as is the Witches series - Equal Rites, Wyrd Sisters, Witches Abroad, Lords
and Ladies, Maskerade, Carpe Jugulum, and the Tiffany Aching trilogy.
And if you liked Small Gods, I'm sure you'll like Pyramids, The Amazing
Maurice And His Educated Rodents, and Monstrous Regiment.
So I guess check out the first in each series, or if you're feeling the
press of time... hmm ... Guards! Guards!, Men at Arms, Feet of Clay, Night
Watch out of the Watch series, Reaper Man, Hogfather, and Thief of Time out
of Death, and Wyrd Sisters, Witches Abroad, Lords and Ladies, and Maskerade
out of the Witches. And Pyramids, The Truth, Monstrous Regiment, and the
Tiffany Aching trilogy (The Wee Free Men, A Hat Full of Sky, I Shall Wear
Midnight) out of the others. That's only seventeen out of the 39...
Dave, whittling down choices is HARD, says Bayesian Barbie
>d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>>O dear. Does this mean there's a Discworld you haven't read yet? (Or maybe
>>that you haven't started them at all?) This is from _Reaper Man_, perhaps
>>unsurprisingly. While not quite as good as _Night Watch_ it's still very fine.
>
>Slow reader. Started with _Small Gods_ which I liked very much. Then I
>went and started at the beginning with _The Colour of Magic_ and _The
>Light Fantastic_. After that, _Unseen Academicals_, which I got as a
>present. I enjoyed them all, though none of them was as good as _Small
>Gods_. Since I am a slow reader, and 75, it's clear that I'm not going
>to read the whole series. Am I correct in
>>O dear. Does this mean there's a Discworld you haven't read yet? (Or maybe
>>that you haven't started them at all?) This is from _Reaper Man_, perhaps
>>unsurprisingly. While not quite as good as _Night Watch_ it's still very fine.
>
>Slow reader. Started with _Small Gods_ which I liked very much. Then I
>went and started at the beginning with _The Colour of Magic_ and _The
>Light Fantastic_. After that, _Unseen Academicals_, which I got as a
>present. I enjoyed them all, though none of them was as good as _Small
>Gods_. Since I am a slow reader, and 75, it's clear that I'm not going
>believing that any one of them can be read independently?
Nnnnot exactly. They fall into four main series, in which the relevant
characters do get some character development, and events in earlier books
shape later ones. The Ankh-Morpork City Guard/Sam Vimes & Captain Carrot, the
Witches/Granny Weatherwax, Unseen University/the Wizards/Rincewind, and Death/
Death & Albert & Susan Sto Helit.
Looks like you've gotten started on the third of these (but skipped a big
skip). There's also a thematically-related series where one or another concept
from our world Leaks Into the Discworld for a while. (Many of which involve
the small talking dog Gaspode...) And a few standalones, of which Small Gods
is one. There's also a young-adult subseries starring Tiffany Aching,
apprentice witch. There's a chart in the middle of the Wikipedia Discworld
page. And it reminds me there's also a "various cultures of Discworld" series,
where Small Gods fits in I guess.
>Any recommendations?
Well, eventually you should read Night Watch, which squeaks into the Best Of
The Series for me (but what competition!), which sort of means getting started
on the City Guards series - Guards! Guards!, Men at Arms, Feet of Clay, Jingo,
The Fifth Elephant, Night Watch, Thud!, Snuff. But the Death series is also
excellent (all of the series get off to a somewhat slow start, he perfected
his art as he went) - Mort, Reaper Man, Soul Music, Hogfather, Thief of Time -
as is the Witches series - Equal Rites, Wyrd Sisters, Witches Abroad, Lords
and Ladies, Maskerade, Carpe Jugulum, and the Tiffany Aching trilogy.
And if you liked Small Gods, I'm sure you'll like Pyramids, The Amazing
Maurice And His Educated Rodents, and Monstrous Regiment.
So I guess check out the first in each series, or if you're feeling the
press of time... hmm ... Guards! Guards!, Men at Arms, Feet of Clay, Night
Watch out of the Watch series, Reaper Man, Hogfather, and Thief of Time out
of Death, and Wyrd Sisters, Witches Abroad, Lords and Ladies, and Maskerade
out of the Witches. And Pyramids, The Truth, Monstrous Regiment, and the
Tiffany Aching trilogy (The Wee Free Men, A Hat Full of Sky, I Shall Wear
Midnight) out of the others. That's only seventeen out of the 39...
Dave, whittling down choices is HARD, says Bayesian Barbie
Butch Malahide
Oct 5, 2012, 8:56:57 AM10/5/12
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Transition Zone
Oct 5, 2012, 10:47:40 AM10/5/12
to
On Oct 4, 7:51 pm, anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <85OdnYzfNq3gmfPNnZ2dnUVZ_jKdn...@bresnan.com>,
> "Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
I guess Los Angeles County started it, though.
> In article <85OdnYzfNq3gmfPNnZ2dnUVZ_jKdn...@bresnan.com>,
>
> "family" <briti...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > You might want to check out the two Michael Douglas movies,
> > Wall Street, and the sequel Wall Street; Money Never Sleeps.
>
> Sheya LaBoof as Charlie Sheen?
I thought the character played by Sheen was taken over by Josh Brolin?
> "family" <briti...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > You might want to check out the two Michael Douglas movies,
> > Wall Street, and the sequel Wall Street; Money Never Sleeps.
>
> Sheya LaBoof as Charlie Sheen?
> "Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
Kip Williams
Oct 5, 2012, 3:46:24 PM10/5/12
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Moriarty wrote, On 10/5/12 1:58 AM:
Yipe. Now I'll have to go look.
Kip W
rasfw
Kip W
rasfw
David DeLaney
Oct 5, 2012, 10:33:04 PM10/5/12
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>> You've got the quotealmost correct, but not the book. That's from
>> _Interesting Times_
>>
>> "Two Little Wang tripped over a two-hundred-year-old bonsai tree and
>> hit his head on a rock chosen for its fundamental serenity."
>
>Yipe. Now I'll have to go look.
Our work here is done. Mua ha haaaa.
>> _Interesting Times_
>>
>> "Two Little Wang tripped over a two-hundred-year-old bonsai tree and
>> hit his head on a rock chosen for its fundamental serenity."
>
>Yipe. Now I'll have to go look.
Dave, a cunning PLOT
Charles Bishop
Oct 6, 2012, 9:28:43 AM10/6/12
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In article <ad32cq...@mid.individual.net>, go...@gossg.org wrote:
>Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
>>experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
>>about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
>>"crop yield" more often.
>
>To my mind, "harvesting" means to remove something and sell it.
>That's a fair description of what you do to a crop, and also a fair
>description of removing the value from corporations. The word works
>for me, but not as an activity that would make anyone electable.
>
>>Harvesting sounds like something you'd hear from some B-grade sci-fi
>>flick of some kind. Like the teeny stuff you hear on the SyFy
>>Channel. I can't think of where else you'd hear of the term
>>"harvesting" in today's world. Can any of you?
>
>Ever hear of a company called "International Harvester"? In trucks
>they just call themselves "International".
--
charles, I made up the last one
>Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
>>experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
>>about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
>>"crop yield" more often.
>
>To my mind, "harvesting" means to remove something and sell it.
>That's a fair description of what you do to a crop, and also a fair
>description of removing the value from corporations. The word works
>for me, but not as an activity that would make anyone electable.
>
>>Harvesting sounds like something you'd hear from some B-grade sci-fi
>>flick of some kind. Like the teeny stuff you hear on the SyFy
>>Channel. I can't think of where else you'd hear of the term
>>"harvesting" in today's world. Can any of you?
>
>Ever hear of a company called "International Harvester"? In trucks
>they just call themselves "International".
>
>"Crop yield" is a measurement. "Harvest" is what you do with it. I
>live in a large city embedded in endless prairie -- my clock radio
>wakes me up with ads for pesticides, GMO canola strains and harvesting
>equipment.
What about the prices for pigs, stoats and weanlings?
>"Crop yield" is a measurement. "Harvest" is what you do with it. I
>live in a large city embedded in endless prairie -- my clock radio
>wakes me up with ads for pesticides, GMO canola strains and harvesting
>equipment.
--
charles, I made up the last one
Charles Bishop
Oct 6, 2012, 9:36:15 AM10/6/12
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In article <ad446m...@mid.individual.net>, go...@gossg.org wrote:
>mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>
>>In article <ad32cq...@mid.individual.net>, Greg Goss
>mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>
<go...@gossg.org> writes:
>>>Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
>>>>experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
>>>>about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
>>>>"crop yield" more often.
>>
>>>Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
>>>>experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
>>>>about "business terminology". And in agriculture, they use the term
>>>>"crop yield" more often.
>>
>>>"Crop yield" is a measurement. "Harvest" is what you do with it. I
>>>live in a large city embedded in endless prairie -- my clock radio
>>>wakes me up with ads for pesticides,
>>
>>And in about a month, if I remember the cycle right, they'll be
>>>live in a large city embedded in endless prairie -- my clock radio
>>>wakes me up with ads for pesticides,
>>
>>pushing the pre-emergent herbicides so that their brand's in mind
>>when February or so comes along.
>>
>>> strains and harvesting
>>>equipment.
>>
>>Do they give daily reports on the market clearing prices for hogs and
>>cattle and such, or isn't there much of that activity in your parts?
>
>That's an interesting question I'd never thought of. Ag commodities
>are NOT reported. I guess they do that on the internet. We get
>natural gas, oil and gold prices, which relate to my city's urban
>corporate management culture centered on the oil biz (and gold?
>Shrug.) But not pork bellies or grain prices on the radio.
Late to the party as usual, I asked a similar question before I read this.
>>Do they give daily reports on the market clearing prices for hogs and
>>cattle and such, or isn't there much of that activity in your parts?
>
>That's an interesting question I'd never thought of. Ag commodities
>are NOT reported. I guess they do that on the internet. We get
>natural gas, oil and gold prices, which relate to my city's urban
>corporate management culture centered on the oil biz (and gold?
>Shrug.) But not pork bellies or grain prices on the radio.
Memory sometimes fails, but I seem to remember hearing such prices quoted
on a radio station in Los Angeles in the late 60s. If so, apparently there
was a need for such things on the 5 am (or so) news. Of course I could be
remembering parody or comedic takes on the actual reports, as perhaps
represented by Prarie Home Companion, or local radio hosts from the same
period when the price reports would have been usual in some locations.
--
charles, my um, what's the word?, isn't what it used to be
Kip Williams
Oct 6, 2012, 11:18:39 AM10/6/12
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Charles Bishop wrote, On 10/6/12 9:36 AM:
I remember the local station Mom always had on her radio reporting the
stuff early in the morning. Barrows and gills, slaughter steers — the
words stuck in my mind for their music more than anything.
Professor Peter Schickele gives a version of the report in his album
"PDQ Bach on the Air," to the tune of lilting Baroque strings and
discontinuo over WOOF in Hoople, North Dakota (which I presume to be the
official radio station of the University of Southern North Dakota at
Hoople).
Kip W
rasfw
stuff early in the morning. Barrows and gills, slaughter steers — the
words stuck in my mind for their music more than anything.
Professor Peter Schickele gives a version of the report in his album
"PDQ Bach on the Air," to the tune of lilting Baroque strings and
discontinuo over WOOF in Hoople, North Dakota (which I presume to be the
official radio station of the University of Southern North Dakota at
Hoople).
Kip W
rasfw
tony cooper
Oct 6, 2012, 1:33:14 PM10/6/12
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From his office without walls?
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Barbarian Mutual
Oct 6, 2012, 5:00:34 PM10/6/12
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On Oct 6, 1:33 pm, tony cooper <tony.cooper...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 05:36:15 -0800, ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bishop) wrote:
> >In article <ad446mFrig...@mid.individual.net>, go...@gossg.org wrote:
>
> >>mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>
> >>>In article <ad32cqFjoe...@mid.individual.net>, Greg Goss
> ><go...@gossg.org> writes:
The only thing I remember from that comedy was the girl.
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 05:36:15 -0800, ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bishop) wrote:
> >In article <ad446mFrig...@mid.individual.net>, go...@gossg.org wrote:
>
> >>mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>
> >>>In article <ad32cqFjoe...@mid.individual.net>, Greg Goss
> ><go...@gossg.org> writes:
Bill McCray
Oct 6, 2012, 5:22:56 PM10/6/12
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one of them and the role name of the other: Lonnie Anderson and Bailey.
Bill in Kentucky
suzeeq
Oct 6, 2012, 5:24:08 PM10/6/12
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Jack Campin
Oct 6, 2012, 5:28:09 PM10/6/12
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>>> Do they give daily reports on the market clearing prices for
>>> hogs and cattle and such, or isn't there much of that activity
>>> in your parts?
>> That's an interesting question I'd never thought of. Ag commodities
>> are NOT reported. I guess they do that on the internet. We get
>> natural gas, oil and gold prices, which relate to my city's urban
>> corporate management culture centered on the oil biz (and gold?
>> Shrug.) But not pork bellies or grain prices on the radio.
> Late to the party as usual, I asked a similar question before I read this.
> Memory sometimes fails, but I seem to remember hearing such prices quoted
> on a radio station in Los Angeles in the late 60s. If so, apparently there
> was a need for such things on the 5 am (or so) news.
When I was a kid in New Zealand, prices for wool and sheep were
>>> hogs and cattle and such, or isn't there much of that activity
>>> in your parts?
>> That's an interesting question I'd never thought of. Ag commodities
>> are NOT reported. I guess they do that on the internet. We get
>> natural gas, oil and gold prices, which relate to my city's urban
>> corporate management culture centered on the oil biz (and gold?
>> Shrug.) But not pork bellies or grain prices on the radio.
> Late to the party as usual, I asked a similar question before I read this.
> Memory sometimes fails, but I seem to remember hearing such prices quoted
> on a radio station in Los Angeles in the late 60s. If so, apparently there
> was a need for such things on the 5 am (or so) news.
attached to national radio news bulletins, the same as they did
with weather forecasts. More than once daily.
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Greg Goss
Oct 6, 2012, 6:49:52 PM10/6/12
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occasionally in fields near highways, but all you hear about is beef.
But no prices. There's an auction that has long ads from time to time
("There's going to be a lot of feeder cattle this week, so get yours
in early for the good prices") but no reporting of prices as a
commodity. Which surprised me once I thought about it. The station
is about 1/3 farm oriented, 1/3 urban business report and 1/3
right-wing fury talk show, but the urban business gets actual prices
reported but the farm guys do not. (The prices in the right-wing fury
segment are all in millions and billions and trillions of dollars.)
--
I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.
anim8rFSK
Oct 6, 2012, 6:58:33 PM10/6/12
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anim8rFSK
Oct 6, 2012, 6:59:12 PM10/6/12
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In article <k4q7hk$6e5$1...@dont-email.me>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>
wrote:
I'd like to take her home and kiss her all over in the dark.
wrote:
Charles Bishop
Oct 7, 2012, 12:36:23 AM10/7/12
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In article <mZXbs.2298$e74....@newsfe13.iad>, Kip Williams
assume those for whom the prices were important were attuned to the
particular price they wanted to hear.
--
charles
<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Charles Bishop wrote, On 10/6/12 9:36 AM:
>> In article <ad446m...@mid.individual.net>, go...@gossg.org wrote:
>>
>>> mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>
>>>> Do they give daily reports on the market clearing prices for hogs and
>>>> cattle and such, or isn't there much of that activity in your parts?
>>>
>>> That's an interesting question I'd never thought of. Ag commodities
>>> are NOT reported. I guess they do that on the internet. We get
>>> natural gas, oil and gold prices, which relate to my city's urban
>>> corporate management culture centered on the oil biz (and gold?
>>> Shrug.) But not pork bellies or grain prices on the radio.
>>
>> Late to the party as usual, I asked a similar question before I read this.
>> Memory sometimes fails, but I seem to remember hearing such prices quoted
>> on a radio station in Los Angeles in the late 60s. If so, apparently there
>> was a need for such things on the 5 am (or so) news. Of course I could be
>> remembering parody or comedic takes on the actual reports, as perhaps
>> represented by Prarie Home Companion, or local radio hosts from the same
>> period when the price reports would have been usual in some locations.
>
>I remember the local station Mom always had on her radio reporting the
>stuff early in the morning. Barrows and gills, slaughter steers � the
>words stuck in my mind for their music more than anything.
I remember the rhythm of the word too, and the announcer was very fast. I
>Charles Bishop wrote, On 10/6/12 9:36 AM:
>> In article <ad446m...@mid.individual.net>, go...@gossg.org wrote:
>>
>>> mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>
>>>> Do they give daily reports on the market clearing prices for hogs and
>>>> cattle and such, or isn't there much of that activity in your parts?
>>>
>>> That's an interesting question I'd never thought of. Ag commodities
>>> are NOT reported. I guess they do that on the internet. We get
>>> natural gas, oil and gold prices, which relate to my city's urban
>>> corporate management culture centered on the oil biz (and gold?
>>> Shrug.) But not pork bellies or grain prices on the radio.
>>
>> Late to the party as usual, I asked a similar question before I read this.
>> Memory sometimes fails, but I seem to remember hearing such prices quoted
>> on a radio station in Los Angeles in the late 60s. If so, apparently there
>> was a need for such things on the 5 am (or so) news. Of course I could be
>> remembering parody or comedic takes on the actual reports, as perhaps
>> represented by Prarie Home Companion, or local radio hosts from the same
>> period when the price reports would have been usual in some locations.
>
>I remember the local station Mom always had on her radio reporting the
>stuff early in the morning. Barrows and gills, slaughter steers � the
>words stuck in my mind for their music more than anything.
assume those for whom the prices were important were attuned to the
particular price they wanted to hear.
>
>Professor Peter Schickele gives a version of the report in his album
>"PDQ Bach on the Air," to the tune of lilting Baroque strings and
>discontinuo over WOOF in Hoople, North Dakota (which I presume to be the
>official radio station of the University of Southern North Dakota at
>Hoople).
Thanks.
>Professor Peter Schickele gives a version of the report in his album
>"PDQ Bach on the Air," to the tune of lilting Baroque strings and
>discontinuo over WOOF in Hoople, North Dakota (which I presume to be the
>official radio station of the University of Southern North Dakota at
>Hoople).
--
charles
Charles Bishop
Oct 7, 2012, 12:38:06 AM10/7/12
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In article <pmq0781u1abaggn15...@4ax.com>, tony cooper
I do, yes. I don't think his had the rhythm of the real ones, and wasn't
it mostly a running gag about reporting them rather than the actual
reportage.
And of course, he didn't report from his office but the studio.
--
charls
it mostly a running gag about reporting them rather than the actual
reportage.
>
>From his office without walls?
But he had tape to show where the walls should be.
>From his office without walls?
And of course, he didn't report from his office but the studio.
--
charls
Charles Bishop
Oct 7, 2012, 12:38:39 AM10/7/12
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In article
<ebb7beeb-0a33-4335...@a11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Oct 6, 1:33=A0pm, tony cooper <tony.cooper...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 05:36:15 -0800, ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bishop) wrote:
>> >In article <ad446mFrig...@mid.individual.net>, go...@gossg.org wrote:
>>
>> >>mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>>
>> >>>In article <ad32cqFjoe...@mid.individual.net>, Greg Goss
>> ><go...@gossg.org> writes:
>> >>>>Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfinancialservi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
>> >>>>>experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
>> >>>>>about "business terminology". =A0And in agriculture, they use the te=
>=A0I
>> >>are NOT reported. =A0I guess they do that on the internet. =A0We get
>>
>> >Late to the party as usual, I asked a similar question before I read thi=
>s.
>> >Memory sometimes fails, but I seem to remember hearing such prices quote=
>d
>> >on a radio station in Los Angeles in the late 60s. If so, apparently the=
>re
>> >was a need for such things on the 5 am (or so) news. Of course I could b=
--
charles, ummm Bailey
<ebb7beeb-0a33-4335...@a11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfina...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Oct 6, 1:33=A0pm, tony cooper <tony.cooper...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 05:36:15 -0800, ctbis...@earthlink.net (Charles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bishop) wrote:
>> >In article <ad446mFrig...@mid.individual.net>, go...@gossg.org wrote:
>>
>> >>mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>>
>> >>>In article <ad32cqFjoe...@mid.individual.net>, Greg Goss
>> ><go...@gossg.org> writes:
>> >>>>Barbarian Mutual <barbarianfinancialservi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>About Mitt Romney, a man who brags about having all of this business
>> >>>>>experience and success, the term "harvesting" doesn't remind anyone
>rm
>> >>>>>"crop yield" more often.
>>
>> >>>>"Crop yield" is a measurement. =A0"Harvest" is what you do with it. =
>> >>>>>"crop yield" more often.
>>
>=A0I
>> >>>>live in a large city embedded in endless prairie -- my clock radio
>> >>>>wakes me up with ads for pesticides,
>>
>> >>>And in about a month, if I remember the cycle right, they'll be
>> >>>pushing the pre-emergent herbicides so that their brand's in mind
>> >>>when February or so comes along.
>>
>> >>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0strains and harvesting
>> >>>>wakes me up with ads for pesticides,
>>
>> >>>And in about a month, if I remember the cycle right, they'll be
>> >>>pushing the pre-emergent herbicides so that their brand's in mind
>> >>>when February or so comes along.
>>
>> >>>>equipment.
>>
>> >>>Do they give daily reports on the market clearing prices for hogs and
>> >>>cattle and such, or isn't there much of that activity in your parts?
>>
>> >>That's an interesting question I'd never thought of. =A0Ag commodities
>>
>> >>>Do they give daily reports on the market clearing prices for hogs and
>> >>>cattle and such, or isn't there much of that activity in your parts?
>>
>> >>are NOT reported. =A0I guess they do that on the internet. =A0We get
>> >>natural gas, oil and gold prices, which relate to my city's urban
>> >>corporate management culture centered on the oil biz (and gold?
>> >>Shrug.) =A0But not pork bellies or grain prices on the radio.
>> >>corporate management culture centered on the oil biz (and gold?
>>
>> >Late to the party as usual, I asked a similar question before I read thi=
>s.
>> >Memory sometimes fails, but I seem to remember hearing such prices quote=
>d
>> >on a radio station in Los Angeles in the late 60s. If so, apparently the=
>re
>> >was a need for such things on the 5 am (or so) news. Of course I could b=
>e
>> >remembering parody or comedic takes on the actual reports, as perhaps
>> >represented by Prarie Home Companion, or local radio hosts from the same
>> >period when the price reports would have been usual in some locations.
>>
> > Do you not remember Les Nessman's hog futures reporting on WKRP ?
>>From his office without walls ?
>
>The only thing I remember from that comedy was the girl.
There was a girl on the show?
>> >remembering parody or comedic takes on the actual reports, as perhaps
>> >represented by Prarie Home Companion, or local radio hosts from the same
>> >period when the price reports would have been usual in some locations.
>>
> > Do you not remember Les Nessman's hog futures reporting on WKRP ?
>>From his office without walls ?
>
>The only thing I remember from that comedy was the girl.
--
charles, ummm Bailey
Dimensional Traveler
Oct 6, 2012, 11:53:59 PM10/6/12
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--
The 'Enterprise' crew in the 2009 Star Trek are adrenaline addicted,
hyper-active teenagers with ADD whose Ritalin got replaced with
methamphetamine, displaying a level of discipline that a Somali pirate
wouldn't tolerate.
anim8rFSK
Oct 7, 2012, 1:06:48 AM10/7/12
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Robert Carnegie
Oct 7, 2012, 2:24:48 PM10/7/12
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On Saturday, October 6, 2012 11:49:26 PM UTC+1, Greg Goss wrote:
> There's an auction that has long ads from time to time
> ("There's going to be a lot of feeder cattle this week, so get yours
> in early for the good prices") but no reporting of prices as a
> commodity. Which surprised me once I thought about it.
If it's done by auction, they can't tell you what the prices are going to be.
> There's an auction that has long ads from time to time
> ("There's going to be a lot of feeder cattle this week, so get yours
> in early for the good prices") but no reporting of prices as a
> commodity. Which surprised me once I thought about it.
They can come on afterwards and tell you what they /were/.
BBC national radio used to do it until more recently than you may expect.
Barbarian Mutual
Oct 7, 2012, 2:33:12 PM10/7/12
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> <ebb7beeb-0a33-4335-9d6a-1c5d364db...@a11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
WKRP in Cincinnati? Does a horse eat hay?
William December Starr
Oct 8, 2012, 4:40:01 AM10/8/12
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In article <ctbishop-061...@global-66-81-248-191.dialup.o1.com>,
ctbi...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) said:
> tony cooper <tony.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you not remember Les Nessman's hog futures reporting on WKRP?
>
> I do, yes. I don't think his had the rhythm of the real ones, and
> wasn't it mostly a running gag about reporting them rather than
> the actual reportage.
>>
>> From his office without walls?
>
> But he had tape to show where the walls should be.
One of the great moments in television came when Andy had to get
something off of Les's desk late at night. Absolutely alone in the
office, he still used a credit card to pop the lock on the door to
Les's office.
-- wds
ctbi...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) said:
> tony cooper <tony.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you not remember Les Nessman's hog futures reporting on WKRP?
>
> I do, yes. I don't think his had the rhythm of the real ones, and
> wasn't it mostly a running gag about reporting them rather than
> the actual reportage.
>>
>> From his office without walls?
>
> But he had tape to show where the walls should be.
something off of Les's desk late at night. Absolutely alone in the
office, he still used a credit card to pop the lock on the door to
Les's office.
-- wds
Michael Stemper
Oct 8, 2012, 10:02:03 AM10/8/12
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In article <a978b00b-3565-40ea...@googlegroups.com>, Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> writes:
>On Saturday, October 6, 2012 11:49:26 PM UTC+1, Greg Goss wrote:
>> There's an auction that has long ads from time to time
>> ("There's going to be a lot of feeder cattle this week, so get yours
>> in early for the good prices") but no reporting of prices as a
>> commodity. Which surprised me once I thought about it.
>
>If it's done by auction, they can't tell you what the prices are going to be.
>They can come on afterwards and tell you what they /were/.
Yeah, and a lot of radio stations in agriculturally-oriented areas used
>On Saturday, October 6, 2012 11:49:26 PM UTC+1, Greg Goss wrote:
>> There's an auction that has long ads from time to time
>> ("There's going to be a lot of feeder cattle this week, so get yours
>> in early for the good prices") but no reporting of prices as a
>> commodity. Which surprised me once I thought about it.
>
>If it's done by auction, they can't tell you what the prices are going to be.
>They can come on afterwards and tell you what they /were/.
to do exactly that. It's not that difficult.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Life's too important to take seriously.
William December Starr
Oct 11, 2012, 11:14:50 AM10/11/12
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In article <e382e05e-bad1-47ee...@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> said:
[ re Terry Pratchett's Discworld ]
> _Equal Rites_ and then _Wyrd Sisters_ introduce witch magic and
> the little kingdom of Lancre, _Guards! Guards!_ shows a City Watch
> (police) impaired by malign neglect, and you /may/ want to read
> _Mort_, then _Reaper Man_, then further adventures of Death and
> his granddaughter (his daughter - adopted - is in _The Light
> Fantastic_, and is /somewhat/ less creepy in _Mort_).
For values of "/somewhat/ less creepy" that are mostly equal to "a
completely different character," in my opinion.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that; I sort of think of the
whole thing as "First there's _The Colour of Magic_ and then there's
_The Light Fantastic_, and then the Discworld series begins.")
-- wds
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> said:
[ re Terry Pratchett's Discworld ]
> _Equal Rites_ and then _Wyrd Sisters_ introduce witch magic and
> the little kingdom of Lancre, _Guards! Guards!_ shows a City Watch
> (police) impaired by malign neglect, and you /may/ want to read
> _Mort_, then _Reaper Man_, then further adventures of Death and
> his granddaughter (his daughter - adopted - is in _The Light
> Fantastic_, and is /somewhat/ less creepy in _Mort_).
For values of "/somewhat/ less creepy" that are mostly equal to "a
completely different character," in my opinion.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that; I sort of think of the
whole thing as "First there's _The Colour of Magic_ and then there's
_The Light Fantastic_, and then the Discworld series begins.")
-- wds
Lawrence Watt-Evans
Oct 11, 2012, 12:29:58 PM10/11/12
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On 2012-10-11 11:14:50 -0400, William December Starr said:
> (Not that there's anything wrong with that; I sort of think of the
> whole thing as "First there's _The Colour of Magic_ and then there's
> _The Light Fantastic_, and then the Discworld series begins.")
It's more complicated than that; _Equal Rites_ is drastically
> (Not that there's anything wrong with that; I sort of think of the
> whole thing as "First there's _The Colour of Magic_ and then there's
> _The Light Fantastic_, and then the Discworld series begins.")
inconsistent with the later books, even though the True Discworld Voice
is starting to be heard.
I'd say _Wyrd Sisters_ is where the series finally really gets its act
together.
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Bill Snyder
Oct 11, 2012, 12:57:26 PM10/11/12
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:29:58 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans
<l...@sff.net> wrote:
>On 2012-10-11 11:14:50 -0400, William December Starr said:
>
>> (Not that there's anything wrong with that; I sort of think of the
>> whole thing as "First there's _The Colour of Magic_ and then there's
>> _The Light Fantastic_, and then the Discworld series begins.")
>
>It's more complicated than that; _Equal Rites_ is drastically
>inconsistent with the later books, even though the True Discworld Voice
>is starting to be heard.
Not uncommon in the early books; e.g., the Patrician in _Moving
<l...@sff.net> wrote:
>On 2012-10-11 11:14:50 -0400, William December Starr said:
>
>> (Not that there's anything wrong with that; I sort of think of the
>> whole thing as "First there's _The Colour of Magic_ and then there's
>> _The Light Fantastic_, and then the Discworld series begins.")
>
>It's more complicated than that; _Equal Rites_ is drastically
>inconsistent with the later books, even though the True Discworld Voice
>is starting to be heard.
Pictures_ doesn't sound much more like Vetinari than the Granny
Weatherwax of _Equal Rites_ sounds like the real article.
>I'd say _Wyrd Sisters_ is where the series finally really gets its act
>together.
overnight?
I'd go with multiple hitting-its-stride points for the various
sub-series; _Reaper Man_, _Witches Abroad_, and _Guards! Guards!_.
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Cryptoengineer
Oct 11, 2012, 1:03:26 PM10/11/12
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On Oct 5, 8:28 am, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
> Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
> >>O dear. Does this mean there's a Discworld you haven't read yet? (Or maybe
> >>that you haven't started them at all?) This is from _Reaper Man_, perhaps
> >>unsurprisingly. While not quite as good as _Night Watch_ it's still very fine.
> >to read the whole series. Am I correct in
> >believing that any one of them can be read independently?
>
> Nnnnot exactly. They fall into four main series, in which the relevant
> characters do get some character development, and events in earlier books
> shape later ones. The Ankh-Morpork City Guard/Sam Vimes & Captain Carrot, the
> Witches/Granny Weatherwax, Unseen University/the Wizards/Rincewind, and Death/
> Death & Albert & Susan Sto Helit.
>
> Looks like you've gotten started on the third of these (but skipped a big
> skip). There's also a thematically-related series where one or another concept
> from our world Leaks Into the Discworld for a while. (Many of which involve
> the small talking dog Gaspode...) And a few standalones, of which Small Gods
> is one. There's also a young-adult subseries starring Tiffany Aching,
> apprentice witch. There's a chart in the middle of the Wikipedia Discworld
> page. And it reminds me there's also a "various cultures of Discworld" series,
> where Small Gods fits in I guess.
>
> >Any recommendations?
>
> Well, eventually you should read Night Watch, which squeaks into the Best Of
> The Series for me (but what competition!), which sort of means getting started
> on the City Guards series - Guards! Guards!, Men at Arms, Feet of Clay, Jingo,
> The Fifth Elephant, Night Watch, Thud!, Snuff. But the Death series is also
> excellent (all of the series get off to a somewhat slow start, he perfected
> his art as he went) - Mort, Reaper Man, Soul Music, Hogfather, Thief of Time -
> as is the Witches series - Equal Rites, Wyrd Sisters, Witches Abroad, Lords
> and Ladies, Maskerade, Carpe Jugulum, and the Tiffany Aching trilogy.
>
> And if you liked Small Gods, I'm sure you'll like Pyramids, The Amazing
> Maurice And His Educated Rodents, and Monstrous Regiment.
>
> So I guess check out the first in each series, or if you're feeling the
> press of time... hmm ... Guards! Guards!, Men at Arms, Feet of Clay, Night
> Watch out of the Watch series, Reaper Man, Hogfather, and Thief of Time out
> of Death, and Wyrd Sisters, Witches Abroad, Lords and Ladies, and Maskerade
> out of the Witches. And Pyramids, The Truth, Monstrous Regiment, and the
> Tiffany Aching trilogy (The Wee Free Men, A Hat Full of Sky, I Shall Wear
> Midnight) out of the others. That's only seventeen out of the 39...
>
> Dave, whittling down choices is HARD, says Bayesian Barbie
The topic of 'correct order to read' is a Frequently Asked one.
LSpace.org (the name of which you'll eventually understand, and smile
at) has a nice chart showing the various arcs in the Discworld series,
and suggested reading orders. It's at:
http://www.lspace.org/books/reading-order-guides/the-discworld-reading-order-guide-20.jpg
Nearly everyone, including Terry, agree that the first two or three
books are sub-par - he was still learning his craft at that point.
Don't let them put you off, and you don't need to start with them.
pt
> Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
> >>O dear. Does this mean there's a Discworld you haven't read yet? (Or maybe
> >>that you haven't started them at all?) This is from _Reaper Man_, perhaps
> >>unsurprisingly. While not quite as good as _Night Watch_ it's still very fine.
>
> >Slow reader. Started with _Small Gods_ which I liked very much. Then I
> >went and started at the beginning with _The Colour of Magic_ and _The
> >Light Fantastic_. After that, _Unseen Academicals_, which I got as a
> >present. I enjoyed them all, though none of them was as good as _Small
> >Gods_. Since I am a slow reader, and 75, it's clear that I'm not going
> >Slow reader. Started with _Small Gods_ which I liked very much. Then I
> >went and started at the beginning with _The Colour of Magic_ and _The
> >Light Fantastic_. After that, _Unseen Academicals_, which I got as a
> >present. I enjoyed them all, though none of them was as good as _Small
> >to read the whole series. Am I correct in
> >believing that any one of them can be read independently?
>
> Nnnnot exactly. They fall into four main series, in which the relevant
> characters do get some character development, and events in earlier books
> shape later ones. The Ankh-Morpork City Guard/Sam Vimes & Captain Carrot, the
> Witches/Granny Weatherwax, Unseen University/the Wizards/Rincewind, and Death/
> Death & Albert & Susan Sto Helit.
>
> Looks like you've gotten started on the third of these (but skipped a big
> skip). There's also a thematically-related series where one or another concept
> from our world Leaks Into the Discworld for a while. (Many of which involve
> the small talking dog Gaspode...) And a few standalones, of which Small Gods
> is one. There's also a young-adult subseries starring Tiffany Aching,
> apprentice witch. There's a chart in the middle of the Wikipedia Discworld
> page. And it reminds me there's also a "various cultures of Discworld" series,
> where Small Gods fits in I guess.
>
> >Any recommendations?
>
> Well, eventually you should read Night Watch, which squeaks into the Best Of
> The Series for me (but what competition!), which sort of means getting started
> on the City Guards series - Guards! Guards!, Men at Arms, Feet of Clay, Jingo,
> The Fifth Elephant, Night Watch, Thud!, Snuff. But the Death series is also
> excellent (all of the series get off to a somewhat slow start, he perfected
> his art as he went) - Mort, Reaper Man, Soul Music, Hogfather, Thief of Time -
> as is the Witches series - Equal Rites, Wyrd Sisters, Witches Abroad, Lords
> and Ladies, Maskerade, Carpe Jugulum, and the Tiffany Aching trilogy.
>
> And if you liked Small Gods, I'm sure you'll like Pyramids, The Amazing
> Maurice And His Educated Rodents, and Monstrous Regiment.
>
> So I guess check out the first in each series, or if you're feeling the
> press of time... hmm ... Guards! Guards!, Men at Arms, Feet of Clay, Night
> Watch out of the Watch series, Reaper Man, Hogfather, and Thief of Time out
> of Death, and Wyrd Sisters, Witches Abroad, Lords and Ladies, and Maskerade
> out of the Witches. And Pyramids, The Truth, Monstrous Regiment, and the
> Tiffany Aching trilogy (The Wee Free Men, A Hat Full of Sky, I Shall Wear
> Midnight) out of the others. That's only seventeen out of the 39...
>
> Dave, whittling down choices is HARD, says Bayesian Barbie
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> \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
> It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
The topic of 'correct order to read' is a Frequently Asked one.
LSpace.org (the name of which you'll eventually understand, and smile
at) has a nice chart showing the various arcs in the Discworld series,
and suggested reading orders. It's at:
http://www.lspace.org/books/reading-order-guides/the-discworld-reading-order-guide-20.jpg
Nearly everyone, including Terry, agree that the first two or three
books are sub-par - he was still learning his craft at that point.
Don't let them put you off, and you don't need to start with them.
pt
Tim McDaniel
Oct 12, 2012, 12:27:16 PM10/12/12
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shearer's blade during a live half-hour news programme on TV New
Zealand." ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3665735.stm ,
via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrek_%28sheep%29 )
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Jack Campin <bo...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>When I was a kid in New Zealand, prices for wool and sheep were
>attached to national radio news bulletins, the same as they did
>with weather forecasts. More than once daily.
When Shrek the Sheep was finally shorn, "Shrek went under the
>When I was a kid in New Zealand, prices for wool and sheep were
>attached to national radio news bulletins, the same as they did
>with weather forecasts. More than once daily.
shearer's blade during a live half-hour news programme on TV New
Zealand." ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3665735.stm ,
via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrek_%28sheep%29 )
--
Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com
Robert Carnegie
Oct 15, 2012, 11:20:17 AM10/15/12
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On Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:03:28 PM UTC+1, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> Nearly everyone, including Terry, agree that the first two or
> three books are sub-par - he was still learning his craft at that
> point. Don't let them put you off, and you don't need to start
> with them.
Well - if the first book wasn't any good then there wouldn't even
> Nearly everyone, including Terry, agree that the first two or
> three books are sub-par - he was still learning his craft at that
> point. Don't let them put you off, and you don't need to start
> with them.
have been a second one. (Which, granted, required a major
Change Spell to revise the inconvenient status of some of the
characters.)
I think a greater difference is that the author of _The Colour of Magic_
is interested in more things; notably, affectionate but cruelly funny
parody of various classic fantasy situations. And parody remains
a theme, but the writing develops to be more about people, and
society, and cruelty and kindness and courage, and about magic mainly
inasmuch as magic - or disruptive social change - is probably going to
be a very major problem, or, at any rate, not much good as a solution
to other problems, even if it looks like a solution.
And mainly I think it may be harder to enjoy the earliest books
in or out of the Discworld series for what they are if you have too
much a sense of what they're not - the same.
And, obviously, when you read the later books first, you know
how things have turned out in those stories, or, at any rate,
who isn't dead, or, indeed, who is - which cuts the dramatic
tension. If you already know whether the hero and the heroine
end up together running a mysterious-meat-in-a-bun business
on the outskirts of crowds in subsequent stories.
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