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car...@gmail.com
Aug 14, 2012, 4:24:14 PM8/14/12
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Hi there,
as a follow-up from my earlier thread, here another story I'm looking for. I read the story in german, published by Moewig, somewhen between 1979 and 1984, maybe 1987. Most likely it was translated from english, but I don't know. It was not a short story, I remember it being a self-contained pocket book with >100 pages.
A wealthy or famous or otherwise special girl / young woman gets lost or (more likely) intentionally hides on a far-away planet in an artificial structure. The structure looks like a large empty city. The city is covered by an impenetrable force field. Multiple shuttles / space ships are used to drop lots of steel pellets on it, but they can't break it. The hero is recruited to 'bring her back', he's a survivalist type / veteran or the like.
The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it is full of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the city, and finds the girl / woman.
Ring any bells? :-)
Germano
as a follow-up from my earlier thread, here another story I'm looking for. I read the story in german, published by Moewig, somewhen between 1979 and 1984, maybe 1987. Most likely it was translated from english, but I don't know. It was not a short story, I remember it being a self-contained pocket book with >100 pages.
A wealthy or famous or otherwise special girl / young woman gets lost or (more likely) intentionally hides on a far-away planet in an artificial structure. The structure looks like a large empty city. The city is covered by an impenetrable force field. Multiple shuttles / space ships are used to drop lots of steel pellets on it, but they can't break it. The hero is recruited to 'bring her back', he's a survivalist type / veteran or the like.
The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it is full of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the city, and finds the girl / woman.
Ring any bells? :-)
Germano
Robert Carnegie
Aug 14, 2012, 4:48:50 PM8/14/12
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But it isn't your answer.
Look! <http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070725>
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Aug 14, 2012, 4:50:25 PM8/14/12
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In article <44c75079-7690-43d8...@googlegroups.com>,
The closest thing I know of is _Rogue Moon_ by Algis Budrys though it
differs in some significant respects, eg: The hero teleports into some
sort of cloned or otherwise created duplicate body and controls it from
Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more what to do and
not to do until he finally solves the maze (which is on the Moon, not
another planet).
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columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
differs in some significant respects, eg: The hero teleports into some
sort of cloned or otherwise created duplicate body and controls it from
Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more what to do and
not to do until he finally solves the maze (which is on the Moon, not
another planet).
--
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Michael Stemper
Aug 14, 2012, 4:50:34 PM8/14/12
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In article <44c75079-7690-43d8...@googlegroups.com>, car...@gmail.com writes:
>as a follow-up from my earlier thread, here another story I'm looking for. =
>I read the story in german, published by Moewig, somewhen between 1979 and =
>1984, maybe 1987. Most likely it was translated from english, but I don't k=
>now. It was not a short story, I remember it being a self-contained pocket =
>book with >100 pages.
>
>A wealthy or famous or otherwise special girl / young woman gets lost or (m=
>ore likely) intentionally hides on a far-away planet in an artificial struc=
>ture. The structure looks like a large empty city. The city is covered by a=
>n impenetrable force field. Multiple shuttles / space ships are used to dro=
>p lots of steel pellets on it, but they can't break it. The hero is recruit=
>of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without care? Dr=
>op into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random wall? Get elec=
>trocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the city, and finds =
>the girl / woman.=20
It's not a close match, but could this be _Mask of Chaos_, by John Jakes?
The guy isn't a vet, but a discharged cargo handler. The vacant city
is actually the setting for a reality show that he and the girl volunteer
for (out of desperation).
In addition to the dangers you mention, does it poison or cut off their
food and or water supply?
Did the guy have some cyborgish enhancements?
As I said, it's not a close match to your description, but it's the
first story that occurred to me when I read your description. Per
the ISFDB, it's 134 pages.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Life's too important to take seriously.
>as a follow-up from my earlier thread, here another story I'm looking for. =
>I read the story in german, published by Moewig, somewhen between 1979 and =
>1984, maybe 1987. Most likely it was translated from english, but I don't k=
>now. It was not a short story, I remember it being a self-contained pocket =
>book with >100 pages.
>
>A wealthy or famous or otherwise special girl / young woman gets lost or (m=
>ore likely) intentionally hides on a far-away planet in an artificial struc=
>ture. The structure looks like a large empty city. The city is covered by a=
>n impenetrable force field. Multiple shuttles / space ships are used to dro=
>p lots of steel pellets on it, but they can't break it. The hero is recruit=
>ed to 'bring her back', he's a survivalist type / veteran or the like.
>
>The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it is full =
>
>of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without care? Dr=
>op into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random wall? Get elec=
>trocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the city, and finds =
>the girl / woman.=20
It's not a close match, but could this be _Mask of Chaos_, by John Jakes?
The guy isn't a vet, but a discharged cargo handler. The vacant city
is actually the setting for a reality show that he and the girl volunteer
for (out of desperation).
In addition to the dangers you mention, does it poison or cut off their
food and or water supply?
Did the guy have some cyborgish enhancements?
As I said, it's not a close match to your description, but it's the
first story that occurred to me when I read your description. Per
the ISFDB, it's 134 pages.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Life's too important to take seriously.
Kip Williams
Aug 14, 2012, 5:06:36 PM8/14/12
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Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote, On 8/14/12 4:50 PM:
> The closest thing I know of is _Rogue Moon_ by Algis Budrys though it
> differs in some significant respects, eg: The hero teleports into some
> sort of cloned or otherwise created duplicate body and controls it from
> Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more what to do and
> not to do until he finally solves the maze (which is on the Moon, not
> another planet).
That's not quite how I remember it. I believe they transmit a duplicate
each time, and the duplicate gets as far as he can, observing what
killed the last duplicate and possibly reporting as he goes. His handler
is there too — a duplicate, that is.
This sets up the gut punch at the end of the story, which I won't spoil.
Kip W
rasfw
> The closest thing I know of is _Rogue Moon_ by Algis Budrys though it
> differs in some significant respects, eg: The hero teleports into some
> sort of cloned or otherwise created duplicate body and controls it from
> Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more what to do and
> not to do until he finally solves the maze (which is on the Moon, not
> another planet).
each time, and the duplicate gets as far as he can, observing what
killed the last duplicate and possibly reporting as he goes. His handler
is there too — a duplicate, that is.
This sets up the gut punch at the end of the story, which I won't spoil.
Kip W
rasfw
Matthias Warkus
Aug 14, 2012, 5:18:05 PM8/14/12
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Am 14.08.12 22:24, schrieb car...@gmail.com:
Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
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Wayne Throop
Aug 14, 2012, 5:22:29 PM8/14/12
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:: The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it
: The closest thing I know of is _Rogue Moon_ by Algis Budrys though it
however, still no cigar: the person sought for was male,
http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Maze-Robert-Silverberg/dp/0743497775
During his heroic first encounter with an alien race, Dick Muller
was permanently altered, hideously transformed in a way that left
him repulsive to the entire human race. Alone and embittered, he
exiled himself to Lemnos, an abandoned planet famed for its
labyrinthine horrors, both real and imagined. But now, Earth
trembles on the brink of extinction, threatened by another alien
species, and only Muller can rescue the planet. Men must enter the
murderous maze of Lemnos, find Muller, and convince him to come
back. But will the homeless alien, alone in the universe, risk his
life to save his race, the race that has utterly rejected him?
:: is full of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk
:: without care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against
:: a random wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them
:: all, navigates the city, and finds the girl / woman.
: t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
:: without care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against
:: a random wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them
:: all, navigates the city, and finds the girl / woman.
: The closest thing I know of is _Rogue Moon_ by Algis Budrys though it
: differs in some significant respects, eg: The hero teleports into some
: sort of cloned or otherwise created duplicate body and controls it
: from Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more what to do
: and not to do until he finally solves the maze (which is on the Moon,
: not another planet).
Seems far closer to Silverberg's "The Man in the Maze",
: sort of cloned or otherwise created duplicate body and controls it
: from Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more what to do
: and not to do until he finally solves the maze (which is on the Moon,
: not another planet).
however, still no cigar: the person sought for was male,
http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Maze-Robert-Silverberg/dp/0743497775
During his heroic first encounter with an alien race, Dick Muller
was permanently altered, hideously transformed in a way that left
him repulsive to the entire human race. Alone and embittered, he
exiled himself to Lemnos, an abandoned planet famed for its
labyrinthine horrors, both real and imagined. But now, Earth
trembles on the brink of extinction, threatened by another alien
species, and only Muller can rescue the planet. Men must enter the
murderous maze of Lemnos, find Muller, and convince him to come
back. But will the homeless alien, alone in the universe, risk his
life to save his race, the race that has utterly rejected him?
Cryptoengineer
Aug 14, 2012, 5:28:08 PM8/14/12
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On Aug 14, 5:18 pm, Matthias Warkus <mawar...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Am 14.08.12 22:24, schrieb caro...@gmail.com:
I think this is probably it - details like firing pellets into the
field to check that it does, in fact, cover the whole city match up;
however, as others note, the person inside is a deformed man, not a
girl.
pt
> Am 14.08.12 22:24, schrieb caro...@gmail.com:
field to check that it does, in fact, cover the whole city match up;
however, as others note, the person inside is a deformed man, not a
girl.
pt
Jerry Brown
Aug 14, 2012, 6:08:20 PM8/14/12
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"gift") with constant telepathic transmission of his emotional state,
making his company unbearable to other humans.
Or am I confusing this with yet another story?
--
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
Andrew Plotkin
Aug 14, 2012, 10:56:19 PM8/14/12
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David Goldfarb
Aug 15, 2012, 12:14:40 AM8/15/12
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In article <x5zWr.828$Sf2...@newsfe12.iad>,
his duplicates (their minds of course start out perfectly in sync, and
he's put in a sensory deprivation tank to keep them that way as long as
possible) and so is able to learn more directly about getting through
the maze.
--
David Goldfarb | "Hey, mister -- your ninja's dragging!"
goldf...@gmail.com |
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- MST3K, "Master Ninja I"
Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote, On 8/14/12 4:50 PM:
>
>> The closest thing I know of is _Rogue Moon_ by Algis Budrys though it
>> differs in some significant respects, eg: The hero teleports into some
>> sort of cloned or otherwise created duplicate body and controls it from
>> Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more what to do and
>> not to do until he finally solves the maze (which is on the Moon, not
>> another planet).
>
>That's not quite how I remember it. I believe they transmit a duplicate
>each time, and the duplicate gets as far as he can, observing what
>killed the last duplicate and possibly reporting as he goes. His handler
>is there too � a duplicate, that is.
In _Rogue Moon_ the hero definitely has a telepathic link with each of
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote, On 8/14/12 4:50 PM:
>
>> The closest thing I know of is _Rogue Moon_ by Algis Budrys though it
>> differs in some significant respects, eg: The hero teleports into some
>> sort of cloned or otherwise created duplicate body and controls it from
>> Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more what to do and
>> not to do until he finally solves the maze (which is on the Moon, not
>> another planet).
>
>That's not quite how I remember it. I believe they transmit a duplicate
>each time, and the duplicate gets as far as he can, observing what
>killed the last duplicate and possibly reporting as he goes. His handler
>is there too � a duplicate, that is.
his duplicates (their minds of course start out perfectly in sync, and
he's put in a sensory deprivation tank to keep them that way as long as
possible) and so is able to learn more directly about getting through
the maze.
--
David Goldfarb | "Hey, mister -- your ninja's dragging!"
goldf...@gmail.com |
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- MST3K, "Master Ninja I"
Kip Williams
Aug 15, 2012, 12:50:23 AM8/15/12
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David Goldfarb wrote, On 8/15/12 12:14 AM:
anyway — even with things unread or half-read in front of me, I can
re-read that one.
Read one way, it's a look at how many video games work, from the
player's point of view.
Kip W
rasfw
> In article <x5zWr.828$Sf2...@newsfe12.iad>,
> Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote, On 8/14/12 4:50 PM:
>>
>>> The closest thing I know of is _Rogue Moon_ by Algis Budrys though it
>>> differs in some significant respects, eg: The hero teleports into some
>>> sort of cloned or otherwise created duplicate body and controls it from
>>> Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more what to do and
>>> not to do until he finally solves the maze (which is on the Moon, not
>>> another planet).
>>
>> That's not quite how I remember it. I believe they transmit a duplicate
>> each time, and the duplicate gets as far as he can, observing what
>> killed the last duplicate and possibly reporting as he goes. His handler
>> is there too � a duplicate, that is.
>
> In _Rogue Moon_ the hero definitely has a telepathic link with each of
> his duplicates (their minds of course start out perfectly in sync, and
> he's put in a sensory deprivation tank to keep them that way as long as
> possible) and so is able to learn more directly about getting through
> the maze.
Correction taken, thanks. I will read it again. Not that I wouldn't have
> Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote, On 8/14/12 4:50 PM:
>>
>>> The closest thing I know of is _Rogue Moon_ by Algis Budrys though it
>>> differs in some significant respects, eg: The hero teleports into some
>>> sort of cloned or otherwise created duplicate body and controls it from
>>> Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more what to do and
>>> not to do until he finally solves the maze (which is on the Moon, not
>>> another planet).
>>
>> That's not quite how I remember it. I believe they transmit a duplicate
>> each time, and the duplicate gets as far as he can, observing what
>> killed the last duplicate and possibly reporting as he goes. His handler
>> is there too � a duplicate, that is.
>
> In _Rogue Moon_ the hero definitely has a telepathic link with each of
> his duplicates (their minds of course start out perfectly in sync, and
> he's put in a sensory deprivation tank to keep them that way as long as
> possible) and so is able to learn more directly about getting through
> the maze.
anyway — even with things unread or half-read in front of me, I can
re-read that one.
Read one way, it's a look at how many video games work, from the
player's point of view.
Kip W
rasfw
Brian M. Scott
Aug 15, 2012, 2:06:13 AM8/15/12
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:06:36 -0400, Kip Williams
<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote in
<news:x5zWr.828$Sf2...@newsfe12.iad> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote, On 8/14/12 4:50 PM:
>> The closest thing I know of is _Rogue Moon_ by Algis
>> Budrys though it differs in some significant respects,
>> eg: The hero teleports into some sort of cloned or
>> otherwise created duplicate body and controls it from
>> Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more
>> what to do and not to do until he finally solves the
>> maze (which is on the Moon, not another planet).
> That's not quite how I remember it. I believe they
> transmit a duplicate each time, and the duplicate gets as
> far as he can, observing what killed the last duplicate
> and possibly reporting as he goes.
My recollection is that there is a telepathic connection
between the duplicate and the original.
> His handler is there too — a duplicate, that is.
But only on the successful last run.
> This sets up the gut punch at the end of the story, which
> I won't spoil.
Well, this and the fact that all along it's 'really' a story
about the people involved.
Brian
<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote in
<news:x5zWr.828$Sf2...@newsfe12.iad> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote, On 8/14/12 4:50 PM:
>> The closest thing I know of is _Rogue Moon_ by Algis
>> Budrys though it differs in some significant respects,
>> eg: The hero teleports into some sort of cloned or
>> otherwise created duplicate body and controls it from
>> Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more
>> what to do and not to do until he finally solves the
>> maze (which is on the Moon, not another planet).
> That's not quite how I remember it. I believe they
> transmit a duplicate each time, and the duplicate gets as
> far as he can, observing what killed the last duplicate
> and possibly reporting as he goes.
between the duplicate and the original.
> His handler is there too — a duplicate, that is.
> This sets up the gut punch at the end of the story, which
> I won't spoil.
about the people involved.
Brian
Kip Williams
Aug 15, 2012, 8:38:00 AM8/15/12
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Brian M. Scott wrote, On 8/15/12 2:06 AM:
in that briar patch, I tell you!
Kip W
rasfw
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:06:36 -0400, Kip Williams
> <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <news:x5zWr.828$Sf2...@newsfe12.iad> in
> rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote, On 8/14/12 4:50 PM:
>
>>> The closest thing I know of is _Rogue Moon_ by Algis
>>> Budrys though it differs in some significant respects,
>>> eg: The hero teleports into some sort of cloned or
>>> otherwise created duplicate body and controls it from
>>> Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more
>>> what to do and not to do until he finally solves the
>>> maze (which is on the Moon, not another planet).
>
>> That's not quite how I remember it. I believe they
>> transmit a duplicate each time, and the duplicate gets as
>> far as he can, observing what killed the last duplicate
>> and possibly reporting as he goes.
>
> My recollection is that there is a telepathic connection
> between the duplicate and the original.
For my punishment of getting it wrong, I'll re-read the tale. Throw me
> <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <news:x5zWr.828$Sf2...@newsfe12.iad> in
> rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote, On 8/14/12 4:50 PM:
>
>>> The closest thing I know of is _Rogue Moon_ by Algis
>>> Budrys though it differs in some significant respects,
>>> eg: The hero teleports into some sort of cloned or
>>> otherwise created duplicate body and controls it from
>>> Earth. As each one is killed, he learns more and more
>>> what to do and not to do until he finally solves the
>>> maze (which is on the Moon, not another planet).
>
>> That's not quite how I remember it. I believe they
>> transmit a duplicate each time, and the duplicate gets as
>> far as he can, observing what killed the last duplicate
>> and possibly reporting as he goes.
>
> My recollection is that there is a telepathic connection
> between the duplicate and the original.
in that briar patch, I tell you!
Kip W
rasfw
Raymond Daley
Aug 15, 2012, 8:57:04 AM8/15/12
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Michael Stemper
Aug 15, 2012, 9:30:45 AM8/15/12
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>> Am 14.08.12 22:24, schrieb car...@gmail.com:
>"Matthias Warkus" <mawa...@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:k0efad$2lnd$1...@news.nnrp.de...
>> Am 14.08.12 22:24, schrieb car...@gmail.com:
>>> The hero is recruited to 'bring her back', he's a survivalist type /
>>> veteran or the like.
>>>
>>> The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it is
>>> full of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without
>>> care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random
>>> wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the
>>> city, and finds the girl / woman.
>>
>> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
>That was the one I was trying to remember, thanks!
I never in my life experienced any feelings of claustrophobia before
>>> veteran or the like.
>>>
>>> The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it is
>>> full of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without
>>> care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random
>>> wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the
>>> city, and finds the girl / woman.
>>
>> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
>That was the one I was trying to remember, thanks!
reading that story.
Robert Carnegie
Aug 15, 2012, 10:43:12 AM8/15/12
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Just for fun, I'll also mention (from 1977 onwards, despite cover dates)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcade_%28Marvel_Comics%29>
Arcade's Murderworld, evidently rebuilt over and over again, usually
starts with you being kidnapped, drugged, and waking up inside a ball
in a gigantic "pinball" games machine. If you survive this, then
expect to be dropped into various dungeon trap-rooms, realistic
holographic death-scenarios, and mechanisms of mental confusion, and
to meet android duplicates of people you know well, that will probably
try to kill you, for instance by exploding. On the other hand, your
loved ones also may have been kidnapped and trapped in there with you,
so you still have to try to rescue them. People in fact don't seem to
die /awfully/ often in Murderworld, although it does happen; usually
you get out by breaking out of the maze of traps into the maintenance
ducts, and then breaking any equipment you can reach - this seems to be
Arcade's blind spot, but I don't remember if he's ever corrected
the oversight. Oh, and for some reason, almost anybody can reprogram
the androids to be on /your/ side - particularly if you find them
switched off in storage. It may be /rather/ more difficult with
the "live" ones.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcade_%28Marvel_Comics%29>
Arcade's Murderworld, evidently rebuilt over and over again, usually
starts with you being kidnapped, drugged, and waking up inside a ball
in a gigantic "pinball" games machine. If you survive this, then
expect to be dropped into various dungeon trap-rooms, realistic
holographic death-scenarios, and mechanisms of mental confusion, and
to meet android duplicates of people you know well, that will probably
try to kill you, for instance by exploding. On the other hand, your
loved ones also may have been kidnapped and trapped in there with you,
so you still have to try to rescue them. People in fact don't seem to
die /awfully/ often in Murderworld, although it does happen; usually
you get out by breaking out of the maze of traps into the maintenance
ducts, and then breaking any equipment you can reach - this seems to be
Arcade's blind spot, but I don't remember if he's ever corrected
the oversight. Oh, and for some reason, almost anybody can reprogram
the androids to be on /your/ side - particularly if you find them
switched off in storage. It may be /rather/ more difficult with
the "live" ones.
Jaimie Vandenbergh
Aug 15, 2012, 12:06:04 PM8/15/12
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Ben Aaronovitch. Having been a caver (spelunker) and been in a couple
of sticky situations before (though not as bad as the protagonist), it
was quite nasty.
Cheers - Jaimie
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if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher." - Socrates
Jerry Brown
Aug 15, 2012, 1:11:45 PM8/15/12
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Brisingamen did it for me.
Dorothy J Heydt
Aug 15, 2012, 1:21:40 PM8/15/12
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In article <uoln289suhgm0359l...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
Oh, likewise. Read it once, gave it away.
Not to mention that, as Karen Anderson once pointed out, if
Garner had written _The Lord of the Rings_, all the action
would've taken place between Hobbiton and Bywater.
--
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Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Not to mention that, as Karen Anderson once pointed out, if
Garner had written _The Lord of the Rings_, all the action
would've taken place between Hobbiton and Bywater.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Michael Stemper
Aug 15, 2012, 1:49:30 PM8/15/12
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In article <u3in2812oqnmlc8qp...@4ax.com>, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> writes:
>On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC), mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>>In article <B1NWr.1071142$1o5.1...@fx03.am4>, "Raymond Daley" <raymon...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>>"Matthias Warkus" <mawa...@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:k0efad$2lnd$1...@news.nnrp.de...
>On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC), mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>>In article <B1NWr.1071142$1o5.1...@fx03.am4>, "Raymond Daley" <raymon...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>>"Matthias Warkus" <mawa...@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:k0efad$2lnd$1...@news.nnrp.de...
>>>> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
>>>That was the one I was trying to remember, thanks!
>>
>>I never in my life experienced any feelings of claustrophobia before
>>reading that story.
>
>I picked up some of that yesterday, reading _Whispers Under Ground_ by
>Ben Aaronovitch. Having been a caver (spelunker) and been in a couple
>of sticky situations before (though not as bad as the protagonist), it
>was quite nasty.
Just out of curiousity, have you ever read Thor Heyerdahl's _Aku-Aku_?
>>>That was the one I was trying to remember, thanks!
>>
>>I never in my life experienced any feelings of claustrophobia before
>>reading that story.
>
>I picked up some of that yesterday, reading _Whispers Under Ground_ by
>Ben Aaronovitch. Having been a caver (spelunker) and been in a couple
>of sticky situations before (though not as bad as the protagonist), it
>was quite nasty.
There's a scene in which they crawl a half a mile or so into a cave,
which is well past where it would have been possible for them to turn
around. That scene really got to my mother. It didn't bother me in the
least, possibly because I was only ten or eleven at the time, and not
overflowing with empathy.
Cryptoengineer
Aug 15, 2012, 1:55:01 PM8/15/12
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On Aug 15, 1:21 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> In article <uoln289suhgm0359l31780stmedt03a...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
>
> >>In article <B1NWr.1071142$1o5.171...@fx03.am4>, "Raymond Daley"
> ><raymond.da...@ntlworld.com> writes:
> >>>"Matthias Warkus" <mawar...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> >news:k0efad$2lnd$1...@news.nnrp.de...
> >>>> Am 14.08.12 22:24, schrieb caro...@gmail.com:
was a kid (a 3rd book, 'Boneland' is to be published at the end of
this month), and plotted all the action on an Ordnance Survey map.
Garner lives in the area, and many of his stories are very place
specific. I'd love to visit, but fear that the suburbs of Manchester
are encroaching on the story's landscape.
...and yes, the underground segment of TWoB is the most claustrophobia-
inducing passage I've ever read.
pt
> In article <uoln289suhgm0359l31780stmedt03a...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
> Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC),
> >mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC),
>
> >>In article <B1NWr.1071142$1o5.171...@fx03.am4>, "Raymond Daley"
> ><raymond.da...@ntlworld.com> writes:
> >>>"Matthias Warkus" <mawar...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> >news:k0efad$2lnd$1...@news.nnrp.de...
> >>>> Am 14.08.12 22:24, schrieb caro...@gmail.com:
>
> >>>>> The hero is recruited to 'bring her back', he's a survivalist type /
> >>>>> veteran or the like.
>
> >>>>> The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it is
> >>>>> full of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without
> >>>>> care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random
> >>>>> wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the
> >>>>> city, and finds the girl / woman.
>
> >>>> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
> >>>That was the one I was trying to remember, thanks!
>
> >>I never in my life experienced any feelings of claustrophobia before
> >>reading that story.
>
> >The crawl through the submerged cave tunnel in The Weirdstone of
> >Brisingamen did it for me.
>
> Oh, likewise. Read it once, gave it away.
>
> Not to mention that, as Karen Anderson once pointed out, if
> Garner had written _The Lord of the Rings_, all the action
> would've taken place between Hobbiton and Bywater.
Very much so. I read TWoB, and its sequel "The Moon of Gomrath" when I
> >>>>> The hero is recruited to 'bring her back', he's a survivalist type /
> >>>>> veteran or the like.
>
> >>>>> The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it is
> >>>>> full of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without
> >>>>> care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random
> >>>>> wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the
> >>>>> city, and finds the girl / woman.
>
> >>>> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
> >>>That was the one I was trying to remember, thanks!
>
> >>I never in my life experienced any feelings of claustrophobia before
> >>reading that story.
>
> >The crawl through the submerged cave tunnel in The Weirdstone of
> >Brisingamen did it for me.
>
> Oh, likewise. Read it once, gave it away.
>
> Not to mention that, as Karen Anderson once pointed out, if
> Garner had written _The Lord of the Rings_, all the action
> would've taken place between Hobbiton and Bywater.
was a kid (a 3rd book, 'Boneland' is to be published at the end of
this month), and plotted all the action on an Ordnance Survey map.
Garner lives in the area, and many of his stories are very place
specific. I'd love to visit, but fear that the suburbs of Manchester
are encroaching on the story's landscape.
...and yes, the underground segment of TWoB is the most claustrophobia-
inducing passage I've ever read.
pt
Michael Stemper
Aug 15, 2012, 2:02:42 PM8/15/12
to
In article <M8t48...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>In article <uoln289suhgm0359l...@jwbrown.co.uk>, Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC), >mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>>>I never in my life experienced any feelings of claustrophobia before
>>>reading that story.
>>
>>The crawl through the submerged cave tunnel in The Weirdstone of
>>Brisingamen did it for me.
>
>Oh, likewise. Read it once, gave it away.
>
>Not to mention that, as Karen Anderson once pointed out, if
>Garner had written _The Lord of the Rings_, all the action
>would've taken place between Hobbiton and Bywater.
*That* would be claustrophobic.
>In article <uoln289suhgm0359l...@jwbrown.co.uk>, Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC), >mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>>>I never in my life experienced any feelings of claustrophobia before
>>>reading that story.
>>
>>The crawl through the submerged cave tunnel in The Weirdstone of
>>Brisingamen did it for me.
>
>Oh, likewise. Read it once, gave it away.
>
>Not to mention that, as Karen Anderson once pointed out, if
>Garner had written _The Lord of the Rings_, all the action
>would've taken place between Hobbiton and Bywater.
I assume that "Garner" is the Garner of _The Owl Service_? I read that
once. All that I remember was that "service" was in the sense of "tea service".
Jerry Brown
Aug 15, 2012, 2:23:55 PM8/15/12
to
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:02:42 +0000 (UTC),
>I read that
>once. All that I remember was that "service" was in the sense of "tea service".
--
mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>In article <M8t48...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>>In article <uoln289suhgm0359l...@jwbrown.co.uk>, Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC), >mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>
>>>>I never in my life experienced any feelings of claustrophobia before
>>>>reading that story.
>>>
>>>The crawl through the submerged cave tunnel in The Weirdstone of
>>>Brisingamen did it for me.
>>
>>Oh, likewise. Read it once, gave it away.
>>
>>Not to mention that, as Karen Anderson once pointed out, if
>>Garner had written _The Lord of the Rings_, all the action
>>would've taken place between Hobbiton and Bywater.
>
>*That* would be claustrophobic.
>
>I assume that "Garner" is the Garner of _The Owl Service_?
Yes, and definitely not the Alan Garner from "The Hangover".
>In article <M8t48...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>>In article <uoln289suhgm0359l...@jwbrown.co.uk>, Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC), >mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>
>>>>I never in my life experienced any feelings of claustrophobia before
>>>>reading that story.
>>>
>>>The crawl through the submerged cave tunnel in The Weirdstone of
>>>Brisingamen did it for me.
>>
>>Oh, likewise. Read it once, gave it away.
>>
>>Not to mention that, as Karen Anderson once pointed out, if
>>Garner had written _The Lord of the Rings_, all the action
>>would've taken place between Hobbiton and Bywater.
>
>*That* would be claustrophobic.
>
>I assume that "Garner" is the Garner of _The Owl Service_?
>I read that
>once. All that I remember was that "service" was in the sense of "tea service".
--
ppint. at pplay
Aug 15, 2012, 4:18:53 PM8/15/12
to
- hi; in article,
<df9c8194-9264-4486...@t18g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com "Cryptoengineer" concurred:
(and with all the diversions and alarums along the way, too.)
> and plotted all the action on an Ordnance Survey map.
- *g* - i spent a bright summer's day very happily wandering
around the area on bicycle and on foot, pushing the "camel",
very happily finding (some of) the places - though not, alas,
fundindelve - and discovering he'd foreshortened some of the
distances...
>Garner lives in the area, and many of his stories are very place
>specific. I'd love to visit,
- oh do, do;
>but fear that the suburbs of Manchester are encroaching on the story's
>landscape.
- nope; some things _have_ changed, it's true: but they're the
social, technological and public services' changes of the past
half-century, common to most of the uk, and not the unchecked
urban sprawl of the cities that seemed so likely in the fifties
and early sixties:
alderley edge is still a very special, and rather strange place.
- _The Weirdstone of Brisingamen_ and _The Moon of Gomrath_ (its
sequel, but both novels have satisfactorily stunning conclusions),
_The Owl Service_ and _The_ (illustrated) _Stone Book Quartet_
are among the very best fantasies i've read in the last 50 years.
- love, ppint. ("and re-read. multiple times.")(and given copies
to young-ish friends; and recommended to many customers of all
ages, who seemed suitable/had seemingly suitable readers in mind)
[a] - rot-13ed in case any rasfwrer's not yet read this classic
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"What are your fees?" inquired Guyal cautiously. "I respond to three
questions," stated the augur. "For twenty terces I phrase the answer
in clear and actionable language; for ten I use the language of cant,
which occasionally admits of ambiguity; for five, I speak a parable
which you must interpret as you will; and for one terce, I babble in
an unknown tongue." "Guyal of Sfere", _The Dying Earth_- Jack Vance
<df9c8194-9264-4486...@t18g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com "Cryptoengineer" concurred:
>>>The crawl through the submerged cave tunnel in The Weirdstone of
>>>Brisingamen did it for me.
>>Oh, likewise. �Read it once, gave it away.
>>Not to mention that, as Karen Anderson once pointed out, if Garner
>>had written _The Lord of the Rings_, all the action would've taken
>>place between Hobbiton and Bywater.
- oh please; between hobbiton and the trollshaws, at least!
>>>Brisingamen did it for me.
>>Oh, likewise. �Read it once, gave it away.
>>Not to mention that, as Karen Anderson once pointed out, if Garner
>>had written _The Lord of the Rings_, all the action would've taken
>>place between Hobbiton and Bywater.
(and with all the diversions and alarums along the way, too.)
>
>Very much so. I read TWoB, and its sequel "The Moon of Gomrath" when I
>was a kid (a 3rd book, 'Boneland' is to be published at the end of
>this month),
- ooh!
>Very much so. I read TWoB, and its sequel "The Moon of Gomrath" when I
>was a kid (a 3rd book, 'Boneland' is to be published at the end of
>this month),
> and plotted all the action on an Ordnance Survey map.
around the area on bicycle and on foot, pushing the "camel",
very happily finding (some of) the places - though not, alas,
fundindelve - and discovering he'd foreshortened some of the
distances...
>Garner lives in the area, and many of his stories are very place
>specific. I'd love to visit,
>but fear that the suburbs of Manchester are encroaching on the story's
>landscape.
social, technological and public services' changes of the past
half-century, common to most of the uk, and not the unchecked
urban sprawl of the cities that seemed so likely in the fifties
and early sixties:
alderley edge is still a very special, and rather strange place.
>
>...and yes, the underground segment of TWoB is the most claustrophobia-
>inducing passage I've ever read.
- indeed; the latter part, in the byq kbewuatf especially. [a]
>...and yes, the underground segment of TWoB is the most claustrophobia-
>inducing passage I've ever read.
- _The Weirdstone of Brisingamen_ and _The Moon of Gomrath_ (its
sequel, but both novels have satisfactorily stunning conclusions),
_The Owl Service_ and _The_ (illustrated) _Stone Book Quartet_
are among the very best fantasies i've read in the last 50 years.
- love, ppint. ("and re-read. multiple times.")(and given copies
to young-ish friends; and recommended to many customers of all
ages, who seemed suitable/had seemingly suitable readers in mind)
[a] - rot-13ed in case any rasfwrer's not yet read this classic
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"What are your fees?" inquired Guyal cautiously. "I respond to three
questions," stated the augur. "For twenty terces I phrase the answer
in clear and actionable language; for ten I use the language of cant,
which occasionally admits of ambiguity; for five, I speak a parable
which you must interpret as you will; and for one terce, I babble in
an unknown tongue." "Guyal of Sfere", _The Dying Earth_- Jack Vance
Jaimie Vandenbergh
Aug 15, 2012, 5:06:43 PM8/15/12
to
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:49:30 +0000 (UTC),
it out next time I'm there.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create
the universe. - Carl Sagan
mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>In article <u3in2812oqnmlc8qp...@4ax.com>, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> writes:
>>On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC), mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>>>In article <B1NWr.1071142$1o5.1...@fx03.am4>, "Raymond Daley" <raymon...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>>>"Matthias Warkus" <mawa...@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:k0efad$2lnd$1...@news.nnrp.de...
>
>>>>> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
>>>>That was the one I was trying to remember, thanks!
>>>
>>>I never in my life experienced any feelings of claustrophobia before
>>>reading that story.
>>
>>I picked up some of that yesterday, reading _Whispers Under Ground_ by
>>Ben Aaronovitch. Having been a caver (spelunker) and been in a couple
>>of sticky situations before (though not as bad as the protagonist), it
>>was quite nasty.
>
>Just out of curiousity, have you ever read Thor Heyerdahl's _Aku-Aku_?
>There's a scene in which they crawl a half a mile or so into a cave,
>which is well past where it would have been possible for them to turn
>around.
I haven't, but I know a friend with it on their bookshelf so I'll skim
>In article <u3in2812oqnmlc8qp...@4ax.com>, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> writes:
>>On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC), mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>>>In article <B1NWr.1071142$1o5.1...@fx03.am4>, "Raymond Daley" <raymon...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>>>"Matthias Warkus" <mawa...@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:k0efad$2lnd$1...@news.nnrp.de...
>
>>>>> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
>>>>That was the one I was trying to remember, thanks!
>>>
>>>I never in my life experienced any feelings of claustrophobia before
>>>reading that story.
>>
>>I picked up some of that yesterday, reading _Whispers Under Ground_ by
>>Ben Aaronovitch. Having been a caver (spelunker) and been in a couple
>>of sticky situations before (though not as bad as the protagonist), it
>>was quite nasty.
>
>Just out of curiousity, have you ever read Thor Heyerdahl's _Aku-Aku_?
>There's a scene in which they crawl a half a mile or so into a cave,
>which is well past where it would have been possible for them to turn
>around.
it out next time I'm there.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create
the universe. - Carl Sagan
Cryptoengineer
Aug 15, 2012, 5:32:01 PM8/15/12
to
On Aug 15, 4:18 pm, v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay")
wrote:
> - hi; in article,
> <df9c8194-9264-4486-93b5-0de9ce3c4...@t18g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> petert...@gmail.com "Cryptoengineer" concurred:
interviewer to the cliff and rock he used. The interviewer tapped it
with a stick, but sadly, nothing happened.
pt
wrote:
> - hi; in article,
> <df9c8194-9264-4486-93b5-0de9ce3c4...@t18g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> petert...@gmail.com "Cryptoengineer" concurred:
>
> >>>The crawl through the submerged cave tunnel in The Weirdstone of
> >>>Brisingamen did it for me.
> >>Oh, likewise. Read it once, gave it away.
> >>Not to mention that, as Karen Anderson once pointed out, if Garner
> >>had written _The Lord of the Rings_, all the action would've taken
> >>place between Hobbiton and Bywater.
>
> - oh please; between hobbiton and the trollshaws, at least!
> (and with all the diversions and alarums along the way, too.)
>
>
>
> >Very much so. I read TWoB, and its sequel "The Moon of Gomrath" when I
> >was a kid (a 3rd book, 'Boneland' is to be published at the end of
> >this month),
>
> - ooh!
>
> > and plotted all the action on an Ordnance Survey map.
>
> - *g* - i spent a bright summer's day very happily wandering
> around the area on bicycle and on foot, pushing the "camel",
> very happily finding (some of) the places - though not, alas,
> fundindelve - and discovering he'd foreshortened some of the
> distances...
BBC Radio did an interview with Garner a few years ago, and he led the
> >>>The crawl through the submerged cave tunnel in The Weirdstone of
> >>>Brisingamen did it for me.
> >>Oh, likewise. Read it once, gave it away.
> >>Not to mention that, as Karen Anderson once pointed out, if Garner
> >>had written _The Lord of the Rings_, all the action would've taken
> >>place between Hobbiton and Bywater.
>
> - oh please; between hobbiton and the trollshaws, at least!
> (and with all the diversions and alarums along the way, too.)
>
>
>
> >Very much so. I read TWoB, and its sequel "The Moon of Gomrath" when I
> >was a kid (a 3rd book, 'Boneland' is to be published at the end of
> >this month),
>
> - ooh!
>
> > and plotted all the action on an Ordnance Survey map.
>
> - *g* - i spent a bright summer's day very happily wandering
> around the area on bicycle and on foot, pushing the "camel",
> very happily finding (some of) the places - though not, alas,
> fundindelve - and discovering he'd foreshortened some of the
> distances...
interviewer to the cliff and rock he used. The interviewer tapped it
with a stick, but sadly, nothing happened.
pt
Brian M. Scott
Aug 15, 2012, 6:57:37 PM8/15/12
to
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:11:45 +0100, Jerry Brown
<je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote in
<news:uoln289suhgm0359l...@jwbrown.co.uk> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC),
> mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>> In article <B1NWr.1071142$1o5.1...@fx03.am4>, "Raymond
>> Daley" <raymon...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>> "Matthias Warkus" <mawa...@googlemail.com> wrote in
>>> message news:k0efad$2lnd$1...@news.nnrp.de...
[...]
>>>> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
>>> That was the one I was trying to remember, thanks!
>> I never in my life experienced any feelings of
>> claustrophobia before reading that story.
> The crawl through the submerged cave tunnel in The
> Weirdstone of Brisingamen did it for me.
The situation is one of the most claustrophobic that I've
seen in a story, and I'd certainly hate to find myself in
it, but reading about it never made me feel claustrophobic.
Brian
<je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote in
<news:uoln289suhgm0359l...@jwbrown.co.uk> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC),
> mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>> In article <B1NWr.1071142$1o5.1...@fx03.am4>, "Raymond
>> Daley" <raymon...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>> "Matthias Warkus" <mawa...@googlemail.com> wrote in
>>> message news:k0efad$2lnd$1...@news.nnrp.de...
>>>> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
>>> That was the one I was trying to remember, thanks!
>> I never in my life experienced any feelings of
>> claustrophobia before reading that story.
> The crawl through the submerged cave tunnel in The
> Weirdstone of Brisingamen did it for me.
seen in a story, and I'd certainly hate to find myself in
it, but reading about it never made me feel claustrophobic.
Brian
Brian M. Scott
Aug 15, 2012, 7:04:52 PM8/15/12
to
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:18:53 +0100 (BST), ""ppint. at
pplay"" <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote in
<news:20120815.201...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
[...]
> - _The Weirdstone of Brisingamen_ and _The Moon of
> Gomrath_ (its sequel, but both novels have satisfactorily
> stunning conclusions), _The Owl Service_ and _The_
> (illustrated) _Stone Book Quartet_ are among the very
> best fantasies i've read in the last 50 years.
I've not read the last one, and I wasn't nearly so fond of
_The Owl Service_ as I was of the first two, but I certainly
agree about them. *Especially* _The Moon of Gomrath_ and
its conclusion.
Brian
pplay"" <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote in
<news:20120815.201...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
[...]
> - _The Weirdstone of Brisingamen_ and _The Moon of
> Gomrath_ (its sequel, but both novels have satisfactorily
> stunning conclusions), _The Owl Service_ and _The_
> (illustrated) _Stone Book Quartet_ are among the very
> best fantasies i've read in the last 50 years.
_The Owl Service_ as I was of the first two, but I certainly
agree about them. *Especially* _The Moon of Gomrath_ and
its conclusion.
Brian
Tim McDaniel
Aug 15, 2012, 8:10:57 PM8/15/12
to
In article <20120815.201...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
word rot-13ed. As for the second: while there are English words that
have 6 consonants in a row (catchphrase, watchstrap), not THOSE 6
adjacent consonants.
--
Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com
ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> - indeed; the latter part, in the byq kbewuatf especially. [a]
...
> - indeed; the latter part, in the byq kbewuatf especially. [a]
> [a] - rot-13ed in case any rasfwrer's not yet read this classic
Weirdstone? I've not read it. The first word is a regular English
word rot-13ed. As for the second: while there are English words that
have 6 consonants in a row (catchphrase, watchstrap), not THOSE 6
adjacent consonants.
--
Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com
Cryptoengineer
Aug 15, 2012, 9:16:47 PM8/15/12
to
On Aug 15, 8:10 pm, t...@panix.com (Tim McDaniel) wrote:
> In article <20120815.2018.12080159...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
repost - I know what's being talked about, but can't remember the
exact term used.
pt
> In article <20120815.2018.12080159...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
> ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > - indeed; the latter part, in the byq kbewuatf especially. [a]
> ...
> > [a] - rot-13ed in case any rasfwrer's not yet read this classic
>
> Weirdstone? I've not read it. The first word is a regular English
> word rot-13ed. As for the second: while there are English words that
> have 6 consonants in a row (catchphrase, watchstrap), not THOSE 6
> adjacent consonants.
There's something wrong with the rot13. Perhaps ppint can check and
>
> > - indeed; the latter part, in the byq kbewuatf especially. [a]
> ...
> > [a] - rot-13ed in case any rasfwrer's not yet read this classic
>
> Weirdstone? I've not read it. The first word is a regular English
> word rot-13ed. As for the second: while there are English words that
> have 6 consonants in a row (catchphrase, watchstrap), not THOSE 6
> adjacent consonants.
repost - I know what's being talked about, but can't remember the
exact term used.
pt
Butch Malahide
Aug 16, 2012, 12:02:50 AM8/16/12
to
On Aug 15, 12:11 pm, Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC),
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:30:45 +0000 (UTC),
>
>
>
>
>
> mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
> >In article <B1NWr.1071142$1o5.171...@fx03.am4>, "Raymond Daley" <raymond.da...@ntlworld.com> writes:
> >>"Matthias Warkus" <mawar...@googlemail.com> wrote in messagenews:k0efad$2lnd$1...@news.nnrp.de...
> >In article <B1NWr.1071142$1o5.171...@fx03.am4>, "Raymond Daley" <raymond.da...@ntlworld.com> writes:
> >>> Am 14.08.12 22:24, schrieb caro...@gmail.com:
>
> >>>> The hero is recruited to 'bring her back', he's a survivalist type /
> >>>> veteran or the like.
>
> >>>> The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it is
> >>>> full of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without
> >>>> care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random
> >>>> wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the
> >>>> city, and finds the girl / woman.
>
> >>> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
> >>That was the one I was trying to remember, thanks!
>
> >I never in my life experienced any feelings of claustrophobia before
> >reading that story.
>
> The crawl through the submerged cave tunnel in The Weirdstone of
> Brisingamen did it for me.
"The Tunnel" by Roger Aday
> >>>> The hero is recruited to 'bring her back', he's a survivalist type /
> >>>> veteran or the like.
>
> >>>> The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it is
> >>>> full of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without
> >>>> care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random
> >>>> wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the
> >>>> city, and finds the girl / woman.
>
> >>> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
> >>That was the one I was trying to remember, thanks!
>
> >I never in my life experienced any feelings of claustrophobia before
> >reading that story.
>
> The crawl through the submerged cave tunnel in The Weirdstone of
> Brisingamen did it for me.
David DeLaney
Aug 16, 2012, 3:01:28 AM8/16/12
to
Michael Stemper <mste...@walkabout.empros.com> wrote:
the children and guide were crawling through an extensive network of
underground caves and tunnels to escape something or other. The scene which
ended up with the thermos bottle being left beside the hole in the middle
of the floor, and the one where they have to crawl into the water, with no
way at that point to reverse...
Dave, brrr
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
>Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> writes:
>>I picked up some of that yesterday, reading _Whispers Under Ground_ by
>>Ben Aaronovitch. Having been a caver (spelunker) and been in a couple
>>of sticky situations before (though not as bad as the protagonist), it
>>was quite nasty.
>
>Just out of curiousity, have you ever read Thor Heyerdahl's _Aku-Aku_?
>There's a scene in which they crawl a half a mile or so into a cave,
>which is well past where it would have been possible for them to turn
>around. That scene really got to my mother. It didn't bother me in the
>least, possibly because I was only ten or eleven at the time, and not
>overflowing with empathy.
And I got it from a scene in, I believe, The Weirdstone of Brisingamen when
>>I picked up some of that yesterday, reading _Whispers Under Ground_ by
>>Ben Aaronovitch. Having been a caver (spelunker) and been in a couple
>>of sticky situations before (though not as bad as the protagonist), it
>>was quite nasty.
>
>Just out of curiousity, have you ever read Thor Heyerdahl's _Aku-Aku_?
>There's a scene in which they crawl a half a mile or so into a cave,
>which is well past where it would have been possible for them to turn
>around. That scene really got to my mother. It didn't bother me in the
>least, possibly because I was only ten or eleven at the time, and not
>overflowing with empathy.
the children and guide were crawling through an extensive network of
underground caves and tunnels to escape something or other. The scene which
ended up with the thermos bottle being left beside the hole in the middle
of the floor, and the one where they have to crawl into the water, with no
way at that point to reverse...
Dave, brrr
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Brian M. Scott
Aug 16, 2012, 2:36:24 AM8/16/12
to
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:10:57 +0000 (UTC), Tim McDaniel
<tm...@panix.com> wrote in
<news:k0hdqh$610$1...@reader1.panix.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
I *think* that what was intended was <Rneyqryivat>.
Brian
<tm...@panix.com> wrote in
<news:k0hdqh$610$1...@reader1.panix.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
Brian
Jaimie Vandenbergh
Aug 16, 2012, 7:22:12 AM8/16/12
to
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 03:01:28 -0400, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David
DeLaney) wrote:
>Michael Stemper <mste...@walkabout.empros.com> wrote:
>>Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> writes:
>>>I picked up some of that yesterday, reading _Whispers Under Ground_ by
>>>Ben Aaronovitch. Having been a caver (spelunker) and been in a couple
>>>of sticky situations before (though not as bad as the protagonist), it
>>>was quite nasty.
>>
>>Just out of curiousity, have you ever read Thor Heyerdahl's _Aku-Aku_?
>>There's a scene in which they crawl a half a mile or so into a cave,
>>which is well past where it would have been possible for them to turn
>>around. That scene really got to my mother. It didn't bother me in the
>>least, possibly because I was only ten or eleven at the time, and not
>>overflowing with empathy.
>
>And I got it from a scene in, I believe, The Weirdstone of Brisingamen when
>the children and guide were crawling through an extensive network of
>underground caves and tunnels to escape something or other. The scene which
>ended up with the thermos bottle being left beside the hole in the middle
>of the floor, and the one where they have to crawl into the water, with no
>way at that point to reverse...
I first read _Weirdstone_ long before I'd ever been caving, about age
DeLaney) wrote:
>Michael Stemper <mste...@walkabout.empros.com> wrote:
>>Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> writes:
>>>I picked up some of that yesterday, reading _Whispers Under Ground_ by
>>>Ben Aaronovitch. Having been a caver (spelunker) and been in a couple
>>>of sticky situations before (though not as bad as the protagonist), it
>>>was quite nasty.
>>
>>Just out of curiousity, have you ever read Thor Heyerdahl's _Aku-Aku_?
>>There's a scene in which they crawl a half a mile or so into a cave,
>>which is well past where it would have been possible for them to turn
>>around. That scene really got to my mother. It didn't bother me in the
>>least, possibly because I was only ten or eleven at the time, and not
>>overflowing with empathy.
>
>And I got it from a scene in, I believe, The Weirdstone of Brisingamen when
>the children and guide were crawling through an extensive network of
>underground caves and tunnels to escape something or other. The scene which
>ended up with the thermos bottle being left beside the hole in the middle
>of the floor, and the one where they have to crawl into the water, with no
>way at that point to reverse...
10, so it didn't affect me properly first time, and hasn't since
either due to being grandfathered in or something.
I've been through blind ducks (a section of cave where the roof drops
temporarily below the water surface, akin to a shallow u-bend), but
only when following someone who's been there and done it before, and
who now does it before me and signals back along the rope!
Actual cave diving I will not touch, despite being a capable scuba
diver myself. Or perhaps because of being...
Cheers - Jaimie
--
It's time to light the candles!
It's time to chant the rites!
It's time to summon Satan on the Muppet Show tonight!
Cryptoengineer
Aug 16, 2012, 9:19:27 AM8/16/12
to
On Aug 16, 7:22 am, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org>
wrote:
The things some people will do 'for fun....'
<shudder>
pt
wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 03:01:28 -0400, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> DeLaney) wrote:
>
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> DeLaney) wrote:
<shudder>
pt
Robert Carnegie
Aug 16, 2012, 9:44:59 AM8/16/12
to
On Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:22:12 PM UTC+1, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
> I first read _Weirdstone_ long before I'd ever been caving, about age
> 10, so it didn't affect me properly first time, and hasn't since
> either due to being grandfathered in or something.
>
> I've been through blind ducks (a section of cave where the roof drops
> temporarily below the water surface, akin to a shallow u-bend), but
> only when following someone who's been there and done it before, and
> who now does it before me and signals back along the rope!
Robert makes a mental note of the existence of blind ducks in caves...
> I first read _Weirdstone_ long before I'd ever been caving, about age
> 10, so it didn't affect me properly first time, and hasn't since
> either due to being grandfathered in or something.
>
> I've been through blind ducks (a section of cave where the roof drops
> temporarily below the water surface, akin to a shallow u-bend), but
> only when following someone who's been there and done it before, and
> who now does it before me and signals back along the rope!
is there an echo when they go quack...
Tim McDaniel
Aug 16, 2012, 3:11:00 PM8/16/12
to
In article <cd3b11aa-1e85-4260...@googlegroups.com>,
They're the only 100%-carnivorous ducks.
--
Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>Robert makes a mental note of the existence of blind ducks in caves...
Caves, dontcha know. They eat the blind crickets and blind fish.
>Robert makes a mental note of the existence of blind ducks in caves...
They're the only 100%-carnivorous ducks.
--
Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com
Kay Shapero
Aug 16, 2012, 6:59:08 PM8/16/12
to
In article <slrnk2p5...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
d...@gatekeeper.vic.com says...
the slick wet feel of the clay...
--
Kay Shapero
http://www.kayshapero.net
Address munged - to email use kay at the domain of my website, above.
d...@gatekeeper.vic.com says...
>
>
> And I got it from a scene in, I believe, The Weirdstone of Brisingamen when
> the children and guide were crawling through an extensive network of
> underground caves and tunnels to escape something or other. The scene which
> ended up with the thermos bottle being left beside the hole in the middle
> of the floor, and the one where they have to crawl into the water, with no
> way at that point to reverse...
>
I'm usually not claustrophic, but that scene got ME, too, right down to
>
> And I got it from a scene in, I believe, The Weirdstone of Brisingamen when
> the children and guide were crawling through an extensive network of
> underground caves and tunnels to escape something or other. The scene which
> ended up with the thermos bottle being left beside the hole in the middle
> of the floor, and the one where they have to crawl into the water, with no
> way at that point to reverse...
>
the slick wet feel of the clay...
--
Kay Shapero
http://www.kayshapero.net
Address munged - to email use kay at the domain of my website, above.
mimus
Aug 17, 2012, 2:47:30 PM8/17/12
to
On Aug 14, 6:08 pm, Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:28:08 -0700 (PDT), Cryptoengineer
>
> <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > field to check that it does, in fact, cover the whole city match up;
> > however, as others note, the person inside is a deformed man, not a
> > girl.
>
> I thought he was physically OK, but afflicted (as a result of an alien
> "gift") with constant telepathic transmission of his emotional state,
> making his company unbearable to other humans.
>
> Or am I confusing this with yet another story?
No, you got it. The only Silverberg I keep around. Depressing stuff.
And he gets "cured"-- or his lower brain sucked dry, as the case may
be (and a distinct relief it should've been, either way)-- by the new
alien invaders, at the end.
--
I feel like my brain has been sucked out
into an unstoppable killing-machine,
and a little dry-mouth.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/3460
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:28:08 -0700 (PDT), Cryptoengineer
>
> <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 14, 5:18 pm, Matthias Warkus <mawar...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Am 14.08.12 22:24, schrieb caro...@gmail.com:
>
> > On Aug 14, 5:18 pm, Matthias Warkus <mawar...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Am 14.08.12 22:24, schrieb caro...@gmail.com:
>
> >> > Hi there,
>
> >> > as a follow-up from my earlier thread, here another story I'm looking for. I read the story in german, published by Moewig, somewhen between 1979 and 1984, maybe 1987. Most likely it was translated from english, but I don't know. It was not a short story, I remember it being a self-contained pocket book with >100 pages.
>
> >> > A wealthy or famous or otherwise special girl / young woman gets lost or (more likely) intentionally hides on a far-away planet in an artificial structure. The structure looks like a large empty city. The city is covered by an impenetrable force field. Multiple shuttles / space ships are used to drop lots of steel pellets on it, but they can't break it. The hero is recruited to 'bring her back', he's a survivalist type / veteran or the like.
>
> >> > as a follow-up from my earlier thread, here another story I'm looking for. I read the story in german, published by Moewig, somewhen between 1979 and 1984, maybe 1987. Most likely it was translated from english, but I don't know. It was not a short story, I remember it being a self-contained pocket book with >100 pages.
>
>
> >> > The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it is full of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the city, and finds the girl / woman.
>
> >> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
>
> > I think this is probably it - details like firing pellets into the
> >> > The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it is full of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the city, and finds the girl / woman.
>
> >> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
>
> > field to check that it does, in fact, cover the whole city match up;
> > however, as others note, the person inside is a deformed man, not a
> > girl.
>
> I thought he was physically OK, but afflicted (as a result of an alien
> "gift") with constant telepathic transmission of his emotional state,
> making his company unbearable to other humans.
>
> Or am I confusing this with yet another story?
No, you got it. The only Silverberg I keep around. Depressing stuff.
And he gets "cured"-- or his lower brain sucked dry, as the case may
be (and a distinct relief it should've been, either way)-- by the new
alien invaders, at the end.
--
I feel like my brain has been sucked out
into an unstoppable killing-machine,
and a little dry-mouth.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/3460
ppint. at pplay
Aug 19, 2012, 7:18:02 AM8/19/12
to
- hi; in article,
<0a744079-4aa6-42b8...@r9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com "Cryptoengineer" suggestived:
> (Tim McDaniel) wrote:
-_do_. powerfully good writing, compelling belief in the setting
and the well-drawn characters' dilemmas, hopes and fears - it's
an enthralling adventure that turns into considerably more.
>> VThe first word is a regular English word rot-13ed. VAs for the second:
>> while there are English words that have 6 consonants in a row (catch-
but forgot: s/kbewuatf/jbexvatf/.
(i was typing in the dark & i knew i was tired, but not _that_
tired: it's not even a steady one-key shift away from correct.)
- love, ppint.
- ben, #afp 22:35(ish) 5/2/99 (2/5/99 for merkins)
<0a744079-4aa6-42b8...@r9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com "Cryptoengineer" suggestived:
> (Tim McDaniel) wrote:
>> ppint. at pplay wrote:
>>> - indeed; the latter part, in the byq kbewuatf especially. [a]
>>...
>>> [a] - rot-13ed in case any rasfwrer's not yet read this classic
>>
>> Weirdstone? VI've not read it.
>>> - indeed; the latter part, in the byq kbewuatf especially. [a]
>>...
>>> [a] - rot-13ed in case any rasfwrer's not yet read this classic
>>
-_do_. powerfully good writing, compelling belief in the setting
and the well-drawn characters' dilemmas, hopes and fears - it's
an enthralling adventure that turns into considerably more.
>> VThe first word is a regular English word rot-13ed. VAs for the second:
>> while there are English words that have 6 consonants in a row (catch-
>> phrase, watchstrap), not THOSE 6 adjacent consonants.
>
>There's something wrong with the rot13. Perhaps ppint can check and
>repost - I know what's being talked about, but can't remember the
>exact term used.
- woops, sorry - i meant to check it before next going online,
>
>There's something wrong with the rot13. Perhaps ppint can check and
>repost - I know what's being talked about, but can't remember the
>exact term used.
but forgot: s/kbewuatf/jbexvatf/.
(i was typing in the dark & i knew i was tired, but not _that_
tired: it's not even a steady one-key shift away from correct.)
- love, ppint.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"Originally it was a typo. Now it's a way of life."
--
- ben, #afp 22:35(ish) 5/2/99 (2/5/99 for merkins)
Kay Shapero
Aug 19, 2012, 11:20:31 PM8/19/12
to
In article <20120819.111...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>, v$af$ppint@i-
m-t.demon.co.uk says...
inevitably it ends and tosses you back into the real world. (rot13 for
those who haven't read it, because while it doesn't really reveal much
this is technically a spoiler.) Rfcrpvnyyl va guvf pnfr fvapr gur npgvba
fcrrqf hc naq fcrrqf hc hagvy lbh'er enpvat sbe gur svavfu yvar naq gur
zvahgr lbh qb vg RAQF, naq pna gnxr n frpbaq gb ernyvmr.
m-t.demon.co.uk says...
>
> - hi; in article,
> <0a744079-4aa6-42b8...@r9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> pete...@gmail.com "Cryptoengineer" suggestived:
> > (Tim McDaniel) wrote:
> >> ppint. at pplay wrote:
> >>> - indeed; the latter part, in the byq kbewuatf especially. [a]
> >>...
> >>> [a] - rot-13ed in case any rasfwrer's not yet read this classic
> >>
> >> Weirdstone? VI've not read it.
>
> -_do_. powerfully good writing, compelling belief in the setting
> and the well-drawn characters' dilemmas, hopes and fears - it's
> an enthralling adventure that turns into considerably more.
It is indeed - one of those books marred only by the fact that
> - hi; in article,
> <0a744079-4aa6-42b8...@r9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> pete...@gmail.com "Cryptoengineer" suggestived:
> > (Tim McDaniel) wrote:
> >> ppint. at pplay wrote:
> >>> - indeed; the latter part, in the byq kbewuatf especially. [a]
> >>...
> >>> [a] - rot-13ed in case any rasfwrer's not yet read this classic
> >>
> >> Weirdstone? VI've not read it.
>
> -_do_. powerfully good writing, compelling belief in the setting
> and the well-drawn characters' dilemmas, hopes and fears - it's
> an enthralling adventure that turns into considerably more.
inevitably it ends and tosses you back into the real world. (rot13 for
those who haven't read it, because while it doesn't really reveal much
this is technically a spoiler.) Rfcrpvnyyl va guvf pnfr fvapr gur npgvba
fcrrqf hc naq fcrrqf hc hagvy lbh'er enpvat sbe gur svavfu yvar naq gur
zvahgr lbh qb vg RAQF, naq pna gnxr n frpbaq gb ernyvmr.
William December Starr
Aug 26, 2012, 5:44:25 PM8/26/12
to
In article <13449...@sheol.org>,
thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) quoted:
> http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Maze-Robert-Silverberg/dp/0743497775
> During his heroic first encounter with an alien race, Dick Muller
> was permanently altered, hideously transformed in a way that left
> him repulsive to the entire human race. Alone and embittered, he
> exiled himself to Lemnos, an abandoned planet famed for its
> labyrinthine horrors, both real and imagined. But now, Earth
> trembles on the brink of extinction, threatened by another alien
> species, and only Muller can rescue the planet. Men must enter the
> murderous maze of Lemnos, find Muller, and convince him to come
> back. But will the homeless alien, alone in the universe, risk his
> life to save his race, the race that has utterly rejected him?
Why is it that when blurbs ask questions like that, the answer never
seems to be 'no'?
-- wds
thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) quoted:
> http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Maze-Robert-Silverberg/dp/0743497775
> During his heroic first encounter with an alien race, Dick Muller
> was permanently altered, hideously transformed in a way that left
> him repulsive to the entire human race. Alone and embittered, he
> exiled himself to Lemnos, an abandoned planet famed for its
> labyrinthine horrors, both real and imagined. But now, Earth
> trembles on the brink of extinction, threatened by another alien
> species, and only Muller can rescue the planet. Men must enter the
> murderous maze of Lemnos, find Muller, and convince him to come
> back. But will the homeless alien, alone in the universe, risk his
> life to save his race, the race that has utterly rejected him?
Why is it that when blurbs ask questions like that, the answer never
seems to be 'no'?
-- wds
William December Starr
Aug 26, 2012, 5:50:40 PM8/26/12
to
In article <b2211520-3d75-41aa...@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> said:
> Just for fun, I'll also mention (from 1977 onwards, despite cover dates)
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcade_%28Marvel_Comics%29>
>
> Arcade's Murderworld, evidently rebuilt over and over again,
Because nobody would ever twist the sadistic little fuck's head off.
Never understood that.
-- wds
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> said:
> Just for fun, I'll also mention (from 1977 onwards, despite cover dates)
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcade_%28Marvel_Comics%29>
>
> Arcade's Murderworld, evidently rebuilt over and over again,
Because nobody would ever twist the sadistic little fuck's head off.
Never understood that.
-- wds
tphile2
Aug 26, 2012, 7:40:18 PM8/26/12
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One of comics major and often used tropes is the villians never truly die or stay dead. So they can come back and do more villiany.
The Joker should have died DECADES ago, if not by The Batman or Batgirl, then by a little street justice from the Gotham City Police
William December Starr
Aug 26, 2012, 8:38:39 PM8/26/12
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In article <273d8bb7-2c63-44f0...@googlegroups.com>,
tphile2 <tph...@cableone.net> said:
> William December Starr wrote:
Writer N+1 decides he doesn't like something that Writer N had Doc
Doom do, but Arcade's such a putz that I want him really truly dead.
And really, he's low-level enough that Marvel could do it without
taking any real hit to their storytelling landscape, and they _have_
Real Deaded minor villains before and even kept some of them dead.
-- wds
tphile2 <tph...@cableone.net> said:
> William December Starr wrote:
>> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> said:
>>
>>> Arcade's Murderworld, evidently rebuilt over and over again,
>>
>> Because nobody would ever twist the sadistic little fuck's head off.
>>
>> Never understood that.
>
>>
>>> Arcade's Murderworld, evidently rebuilt over and over again,
>>
>> Because nobody would ever twist the sadistic little fuck's head off.
>>
>> Never understood that.
>
> because even if the Hulk or Wolverine did, it wouldn't do any
> good. It would turn out to be a clone, robot, imposter and so on.
> One of comics major and often used tropes is the villians never
> truly die or stay dead. So they can come back and do more
> villiany.
Yeah, I know, and I'll happily accept that argument every time
> good. It would turn out to be a clone, robot, imposter and so on.
> One of comics major and often used tropes is the villians never
> truly die or stay dead. So they can come back and do more
> villiany.
Writer N+1 decides he doesn't like something that Writer N had Doc
Doom do, but Arcade's such a putz that I want him really truly dead.
And really, he's low-level enough that Marvel could do it without
taking any real hit to their storytelling landscape, and they _have_
Real Deaded minor villains before and even kept some of them dead.
-- wds
David Johnston
Aug 26, 2012, 9:13:11 PM8/26/12
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Aug 26, 2012, 10:11:05 PM8/26/12
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why he really LIKES Arcade. And in some ways I agree with him. I did
generally enjoy the stories he was in.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/06/22/ask-chris-111-arcade-and-why-success-doesnt-make-a-villain-credible/
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
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Oct 9, 2012, 4:01:36 AM10/9/12
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On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:18:05 PM UTC+2, Matthias Warkus wrote:
> Am 14.08.12 22:24, schrieb caronni:
yes, indeed -- The Man in the Maze, or 'Labyrinth', in the german translation. My memories did get a bit messy on that one, but 30 years can do that to you...
Kudos for working it out, and it looks like a lively discussion came from the initial question -- which gives me plenty of reading hints for the near future.
Sorry for the delay in responding and confirming, but it took a while for the book to arrive. Maybe the girl shows up only towards the end of the book (and certainly not in the Labyrinth at all; I'll find out once I get to the end of the story :-)
Funnily enough, the advertisings in the book resolved my third (and for now final) YASID before I could even ask it. (M. A. Foster, Warriors of Dawn). So, again, many thanks to the community and to Matthias in particular.
All the best,
Germano
> Am 14.08.12 22:24, schrieb caronni:
>
> > Hi there,
>
> >
>
> > as a follow-up from my earlier thread, here another story I'm looking for. I read the story in german, published by Moewig, somewhen between 1979 and 1984, maybe 1987. Most likely it was translated from english, but I don't know. It was not a short story, I remember it being a self-contained pocket book with >100 pages.
>
> >
>
> > A wealthy or famous or otherwise special girl / young woman gets lost or (more likely) intentionally hides on a far-away planet in an artificial structure. The structure looks like a large empty city. The city is covered by an impenetrable force field. Multiple shuttles / space ships are used to drop lots of steel pellets on it, but they can't break it. The hero is recruited to 'bring her back', he's a survivalist type / veteran or the like.
>
> >
>
> > The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it is full of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the city, and finds the girl / woman.
>
>
>
> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
>
Matthias, all,
> > Hi there,
>
> >
>
> > as a follow-up from my earlier thread, here another story I'm looking for. I read the story in german, published by Moewig, somewhen between 1979 and 1984, maybe 1987. Most likely it was translated from english, but I don't know. It was not a short story, I remember it being a self-contained pocket book with >100 pages.
>
> >
>
> > A wealthy or famous or otherwise special girl / young woman gets lost or (more likely) intentionally hides on a far-away planet in an artificial structure. The structure looks like a large empty city. The city is covered by an impenetrable force field. Multiple shuttles / space ships are used to drop lots of steel pellets on it, but they can't break it. The hero is recruited to 'bring her back', he's a survivalist type / veteran or the like.
>
> >
>
> > The hero enters the city on foot. The city is dangerous in that it is full of non-obvious traps, and actively tries to kill you. Walk without care? Drop into a suddenly opening spiked pit. Lean against a random wall? Get electrocuted. etc. Somehow he survives them all, navigates the city, and finds the girl / woman.
>
>
>
> Robert Silverberg, _The Man in the Maze_, 1969.
>
yes, indeed -- The Man in the Maze, or 'Labyrinth', in the german translation. My memories did get a bit messy on that one, but 30 years can do that to you...
Kudos for working it out, and it looks like a lively discussion came from the initial question -- which gives me plenty of reading hints for the near future.
Sorry for the delay in responding and confirming, but it took a while for the book to arrive. Maybe the girl shows up only towards the end of the book (and certainly not in the Labyrinth at all; I'll find out once I get to the end of the story :-)
Funnily enough, the advertisings in the book resolved my third (and for now final) YASID before I could even ask it. (M. A. Foster, Warriors of Dawn). So, again, many thanks to the community and to Matthias in particular.
All the best,
Germano
jothi mani
Oct 9, 2012, 9:08:47 AM10/9/12
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