Gharlane of Eddore
Sean Eric Fagan
of Eddore" passed away.
I don't have any details about this yet; I'm not sure I can handle any at this
point.
What I do know is that I considered him a friend, and am going to miss him
terribly.
I wish this were a sick joke. I've spoken with a coworker of his,
unfortunately, and I had my suspcisions based on his lack of activity.
Followups set in honor of him.
Dan Swartzendruber
Aaron P. Brezenski
Sean, say it ain't so!
Though I'm sure there are some Plagues and Other Entities who shan't mourn
him, I grieve. He was a crotchety Elder God/Primal Being, but he was nearly
always fun, and not above a good measure of self-mockery when we younger
folk caught him in a neural foul-up.
I never knew his real name-- and I could care less! He was a joy, and will
be sorely missed.
I am sure Cronan is making fun of him as I write this, if not on some Higher
Plane, then surely in most of the Many Quantum Alternate Universes.
Rest in peace, Floating Brain In A Jar.
Aaron Brezenski
P.S. Save some leggy redheads for me!
--
Aaron Brezenski
"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean there isn't someone out to get me."
Card-Carrying Member of the Illuminati
Nyrath the nearly wise
> Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
> of Eddore" passed away.
Oh, man, that's terrible news.
He was one of the best things on the Internet. I would occasionally
correspond via email with him.
I'm going to miss him.
Andrew Plotkin
> In article <GEw11...@kithrup.com>, s...@kithrup.com says...
>> Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net
>> as "Gharlane of Eddore" passed away.
>
Very damn.
--Z
"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
*
* The right to vote includes the right to have that vote counted.
norville
...I'm stunned... he was always such a Presence online, he'll leave a
large hole in Usenet. Like Kosh, he had always been here...
I wish it would be revealed that he's just spending a year dead for tax
purposes...
Sea Wasp
>
> Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
> of Eddore" passed away.
Pardon me:
"OH, FUCK!!!!"
He had a dozen projects to do. He had just received materials
relating to the old Smith estate which were going to be used to
clarify so many things.
He was one of the great lights of the Net.
HE WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO USE THAT NAME BY SMITH HIMSELF!
He was one of the last connections to that era.
I wanted to meet him in person someday.
Now I never shall.
I hope he has passed to a higher plane of the Cosmic All.
--
Sea Wasp http://www.wizvax.net/seawasp/index.html
/^\
;;; _Morgantown: The Jason Wood Chronicles_, at
http://www.hyperbooks.com/catalog/20040.html
Mike Van Pelt
>the net as "Gharlane of Eddore" passed away.
Dang.
My rec.arts.sf.tv newsreading was "/gharlane/f", and
read those. Then lightly skim the remainder.
An era has ended.
--
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Mike Van Pelt
>Sean Eric Fagan wrote:
>> Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known
>> on the net as "Gharlane of Eddore" passed away.
>
> Pardon me:
>
Many more expletives deleted.
> I wanted to meet him in person someday.
>
> Now I never shall.
Same here. I did meet him once, or was in a discussion that
included him in a room party at Baycon years ago, but I didn't
know it was him until he sent me email the Tuesday after letting
me know that I Had Been Observed. Amusingly mysterious, but I
had hoped for another meeting. I sent him email asking if he
were going to be at this year's Baycon, and he replied that
he had planned to go if Kelly Freas was going to be there,
but he wasn't, and he had a CMP rifle match that weekend.
From time to time, he has dropped hints on the net that he sold
a few stories to Analog under a pseudonym. I'd sure like to know
what stories were his. I'm sure I must have read some of them.
William December Starr
yet, and now this... there's no excuse for this sort of thing.
-- William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
David Silberstein
Let's all queue up and kick God's ass.
I noticed the silence on Sunday, which continued on ominously into Monday,
and up until today. I did wonder where Gharlane was, but I realized that
the television season was over, and he did have other interests. Perhaps
he went on vacation somewhere - I had it in the back of my mind to look
for Science Fiction conventions going on at this time.
Then I got the notice from Sean.
Sean owns the kithrup.com domain, and is the System Admin for the computer
itself. He's got the touch of paranoia in him that is a virtue for that
role, and monitors log files and user activity patterns very carefully. I
trust his knowledge and judgment, and also his sobriety. He isn't the
sort to play practical jokes or rush to conclusions.
It's possible there's just been a terrible mistake, but that seems less
and less likely at this point.
And I found that I seem to have this uncontrollable urge to eulogize.
What the hell, here goes:
-----------------------------------------
So what should we say about Gharlane? Well, we can always point
to the obvious: that out of the many thousands of posts that he
made to USENET (Google archives 8000+, but he's been posting stuff
since long before that), virtually all of those posts were well
written, showing a genuine care for clear language, proper syntax,
and clarity of style. Many were genuinely informative, and showed
a deep respect for competence - good writing, good engineering,
good acting, good production values. Most have at least a smattering
of humor, or at least wit, and some are even gut-bustingly funny.
He wasn't all milk and roses, of course. He often was viciously,
venomously, vituperative when ranting about things he felt a deep
contempt for - bad writing, bad acting, fuzzy thinking in general,
a lack of competence and care for details. I think he overdid the
harshness in his denigration of certain posters (e.g. Dan Tropea),
and sometimes even those criticisms that I agreed with seemed
overly repetitive.
Yet his arrogant attitude often seemed justified -- he just knew
so *much* about SF writing, movies and television, as well as
writing in general, general science and engineering, computers
and USENET history and culture, and so on and on. That, on top of
everything else, made it seem like a genuine honor when he
actually complimented someone or something -- he'd seen so much,
and had such high standards...
I couldn't agree with all of his opinions, of course. I think
he had a higher tolerance for certain kinds of Silliness, and
less tolerance for certain other things, but he could, sometimes
grudgingly, admit that personal taste played a role in these things.
My own personal sense of loss is largely selfish - I found his
postings to be a source of entertainment in themselves. USENET
is diminished by his death. For that matter, assuming he did
write for other venues (SF mags and TV scripts), the world of
entertainment is diminished as well.
As long as I'm writing, I suppose I should at least make mention of
his political outlook: He was an ardent Libertarian and supporter
of the 2nd amendment and of the NRA. Some people were uncomfortable
or annoyed with the vehemence with which he advocated gun ownership
and denigrated the Democratic party and the Canadian and U.K gov'ts
as being irredeemably evil - I know I was. But you know, he did at
least make me think about these issues, and make me aware of their
opposing viewpoints.
Oh well. I have the feeling I'm preaching to the choir here - those
who agree already know what I mean, and those who do not are not
likely to change their minds. On the off chance that some newbie is
reading this: do a web/newsgroup search on "Gharlane of Eddore", and
make up your own mind.
I don't know if there is an afterlife, but some part of me hopes that
his spirit will haunt the perpetrators of Bad Skiffy, making them
repent their ways and create something with *quality*.
He wasn't always lovable, or even likeable, but he was always admirable.
He will be missed.
David Patrick
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, David Silberstein wrote:
> ...is dead, alas.
> Let's all queue up and kick God's ass.
A part of me is still hoping this isn't true, it's a damn shame.
I've just been scrolling through Google. I've had quite a few arguments
with Gharlane over the years, mostly in UK vs US threads. I dunno what he
had against the UK.
Still cantankerous as he was I'm sorry he isn't going to be around any
more.
David Patrick
Winchell Chung
> He had a dozen projects to do. He had just received materials
> relating to the old Smith estate which were going to be used to
> clarify so many things.
His LENSMAN FAQ website should be mirrored by somebody
somewhere, before it vanishes.
TLambs1138
This isn't right.
Gharlane was one of the finest posters here. Even if you had Disagreed with him
very Loudly, he was always a perfect gentleman in 'person' (never had the
privilege of meeting him), i.e., private e-mail. He was the one of the great
artists of realizing what was opinion and what was personal and behaving
likewise.
Oh, he sometimes trashed my opinions. But he never trashed _me_. And he always
had good reasons, even if I didn't always agree with them.
He will be missed.
Arthur Levesque
SEF>Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as
SEF>"Gharlane of Eddore" passed away.
Oh s___. That f___ing s___s.[1]
SEF>I don't have any details about this yet; I'm not sure I can handle
SEF>any at this point. What I do know is that I considered him a
SEF>friend, and am going to miss him terribly.
Usenet, and the world, has become a less interesting place. I
didn't need to know his name, but I always read everything he posted,
regardless of the thread or topic (in fact, he's the only one that I
ever set my newreader to highlight all of their posts). I didn't always
agree with his opinions (more often than not, however; I did specifically
seek out shows and books I'd missed (including ordering all of the
Lensmen books) just on his recommendation, and was rarely disappointed)
but I always respected them.
David Silberstein (dav...@kithrup.com) wrote:
DS>I don't know if there is an afterlife,
If there is, let's hope he no longer has to deal with flames...
DS>but some part of me hopes that his spirit will haunt the perpetrators
DS>of Bad Skiffy, making them repent their ways and create something
DS>with *quality*.
There used to be a saying that Heaven had the best music; imagining
a band consisting of Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon, etc. Well, with critics
like GoE and Cronan, they must also have some damned good SF.
--
/\ Arthur M Levesque 2A4W <*> b...@boog.orgy =/\= http://boog.org __
\B\ack King of the Potato People <fnord> "Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!" (oO)
\S\lash Member of a vast right-wing conspiracy (-O-) Urban Spaceman /||\
\/ I was a lesbian before it was fashionable "I hate rainbows!"-EC
[1] In memory of his refusal to even quote obscenity unaltered, even
minor curses like d__n, cr_p, and s_mpr_n_.
Jason Larke
>>>>> Silberstein) said:
DS> Sean owns the kithrup.com domain, and is the System Admin for
DS> the computer itself. He's got the touch of paranoia in him
DS> that is a virtue for that role, and monitors log files and
DS> user activity patterns very carefully. I trust his knowledge
DS> and judgment, and also his sobriety. He isn't the sort to
DS> play practical jokes or rush to conclusions.
If there's any appropriate place to send flowers, ammunition, or
other appropriate tokens of sorrow, I'd love to hear about
it. Otherwise I guess I'll make a donation in his psuedonym to
GOA or something.
--
Jason Larke- jla...@uu.net- http://www.nnaf.net/~jlarke Send mail for PGP key
I don't speak for UUNET or MCI Worldcom. I speak for Odin. And he's *pissed*.
Any sufficiently advanced weapon is indistinguishable from a practical joke.
"People change, and smile: but the agony abides."-T.S. Eliot, The Dry Salvages
Michael S. Schiffer
But I had my scorefile set to highlight his posts, and the groups he
frequented won't be remotely the same without him. We've lost someone
with a body of knowledge about a wide variety of subjects that probably
can't be wholly duplicated. We've lost a character, on a net that's
ever more settling into civilized people and outright loons, with
perhaps less room for larger-than-life personae. And we've lost an
individual from our midst-- another of what are already too many
losses.
I didn't know him well enough to claim him as my friend, though I'd
have liked to. But reading that he was gone stopped me up short. I
can only wish the information had come from a less reputable source, so
that I could disbelieve it.
Clear ether, Gharlane.
Mike
--
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS If reading in an archive, please do
ms...@mediaone.net not click on words highlighted as links
msch...@condor.depaul.edu by Deja or other archives. They violate
the author's copyright and his wishes.
Joe Pfeiffer
if it were somebody would have corrected it by now...
He was a voice of honesty, intelligence, and clarity. He'll be
missed. I've always wondered who he ``really'' was, especially
knowing he was a published science fiction author. I wonder if I'll
ever know.
--
Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer
SWNMRSEF: http://www.nmsu.edu/~scifair
Robert D. Baker
David Silberstein wrote in message ...
For that matter, assuming he did
>write for other venues
He did.
aRJay
I will miss his posts.
--
aRJay
"In this great and creatorless universe, where so much beautiful has
come to be out of the chance interactions of the basic properties of
matter, it seems so important that we love one another,"
- Lucy Kemnitzer
Chuq Von Rospach
> Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
> of Eddore" passed away.
>
> I don't have any details about this yet; I'm not sure I can handle any at this
> point.
Oh, damn. If you hear details, I'd love to find out.
GoE was a fascinating person. At one point we were quiet close. At one
point, he more or less saved me during a suicidal period -- and at one
point, he was more or less the cause of it, too. Which defines Dave: a
double-edged sword that sometimes cut the wielder.
We had a falling out many years ago; one that never reconciled. I tried
once, and he didn't seem receptive. there were issues unresolved, still
are. never will. I should have tried harder.
He was a very open person with people he knew -- and yet, always a
cipher. I always felt he could be so much more than he was, but had
chosen to be what he wanted to be, not what he could be.
I wouldn't be who I am today without Dave. and even in those things that
led to our falling out with each other, he left me a better person.
damnit. i should have tried harder.
chuq
Dirk A. Loedding
>Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as
>"Gharlane of Eddore" passed away.
I sure hope this is a joke, but I fear it's not.
>I don't have any details about this yet; I'm not sure I can handle any
>at this point.
Understandable.
>What I do know is that I considered him a friend, and am going to miss
>him terribly.
Same here, though I never did know his real name/identity, and didn't
really care.
>I wish this were a sick joke. I've spoken with a coworker of his,
>unfortunately, and I had my suspcisions based on his lack of activity.
In his honor:
Obsp: "suspicions"
He'd been telling us for some time that he didn't think he'd be around
much longer. He will most definitely be missed...this newsgroup,
among others, will be a much poorer place without him. I can't wax
eloquent as others have, so all I can do is agree with their
sentiments. *sigh*
>Followups set in honor of him.
Quite appropriate.
--
I don't believe it. Prove it to me and I still won't believe it.
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Dirk A. Loedding <*> ju...@america.net |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Joe Pfeiffer
I'd be very interested in knowing what stories he wrote.
Winchell Chung
> Winchell Chung <nyr...@clark.net> wrote:
> > His LENSMAN FAQ website should be mirrored by somebody
> > somewhere, before it vanishes.
>
Jordan S. Bassior
--
Sincerely Yours,
Jordan
--
"To urge the preparation of defence is not to assert the imminence of war. On
the contrary, if war were imminent, preparations for defense would be too
late." (Churchill, 1934)
--
James Kibo Parry
I posted in alt.religion.kibology. As Gharlane would say, "Followups set."]
I've been informed by various people that "Gharlane of Eddore"
(a prolific Usenet poster, a friend of mine, and an occasional
visitor to alt.religion.kibology) has passed away. I'm still hoping
the rumors of his demise are premature or inaccurate (or better yet,
both) but for the meantime I'd better eulogize him just in case
he's not dead so he can read this to complain about my grammar
so I can fix it so it'll be right when he does die. But, sad to
say, I have reliable information that Gharlane is no more.
You may recall that he only posted under his pen name. This was
because he did not want to reveal that his real name was (a) Douglas Adams,
(b) Barry B. Longyear, (c) J. Michael Straczynski, or (d) Majel Barrett,
especially because it wasn't any of those four. Incidentally, in the olden
days he actually requested and received permission from E. E. "Doc" Smith
to use the name of his Gharlane character. (He would never borrow anyone
else's idea, or even a character name, without such acknowledgement
to its creator.)
He was big in the science fiction writers' community -- he had written
a few stories which had been published quite a while ago, but he was
most prominent as a critic of written, filmed, and televised entertainment,
always complaining about the bad stuff in ways which were far more
entertaining than the bad stuff. Unfortunately, he did not manage to
eliminate stupidity in science fiction, but he did help show people
that there is good SF and there is bad "skiffy" (his term, from
Forrest Ackerman's "sci-fi", for stuff which is too stupid to even
be called "sci-fi".) He was an expert (and an insider) and would
often tell me juicy pieces of gossip from the set of some obscure
movie he'd wandered onto the set of in the 1970s. He knew more about
the making of any given production than was in the "making of" documentaries.
He had an opinion on just about everything, and some endearing personal
quirks (such as his refusal to send E-mail messages with a "Subject:"
filled in) and had been everywhere and seen everything. We conversed
(via E-mail) about just about everything from obscure 1950s TV shows
to the proper handling of semi-automatic weapons in movies. (He was
big on guns. And, because he was big on movies, you can imagine how
he would react when confronted with a movie where someone fires seven
bullets from a six-shooter, or hoists a bazooka that goes "RAT-A-TAT-A-TAT".)
He was a believer in quality, effort, and originality.
When he complained that a bad movie cost some ungodly number of
millions of dollars, it wasn't because he was one of those elitists
who believed that high-budget movies were inherently bad, it was
because he loved both movies and TV, and knew that the $183,000,000
spent on "Waterworld" could have been spent on several other movies
or ten years' worth of a good TV show. (And hey, I agree with him
that if they spread the money around on a lot of things, probably
at least one of them wouldn't have been as bad as "Waterworld".)
Gharlane will be missed.
-- K.
And now who will they
find to refuse to write
for "Stargate: The Series"?
Sean Eric Fagan
better and worse to see how many) have asked about sending cards or messages
to his father.
I am uncomfortable with giving out his father's name and address, but I will
collect and forward anything sent to:
Gharlane of Eddore
c/o Sean Eric Fagan
1384 Annapolis Way
San Jose, CA 95118
USA
Please, no flowers -- they'd be dead by the time I forwarded them on.
I have already sent off a letter to his father; I included some of the
posts and messages, to show how many people around this world his son had
touched.
Jan Yarnot (one of his friends) has also suggested planting trees, in tribute,
since GoE treasured them very much.
Franklin Harris
"David Patrick" <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.3.96.1010614093802.9371A-100000@suma3...
>
>
> I've just been scrolling through Google. I've had quite a few arguments
> with Gharlane over the years, mostly in UK vs US threads. I dunno what he
> had against the UK.
Probably the fact that you're a bunch of whining socialists with bad teeth.
;-P
(Someone must pick up the slack.)
--
Franklin Harris
Pulp Culture Online, www.pulpculture.net
"It is not I who am crazy. It is I who am mad!" -- Ren Hoek
Debbie Levi
> Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
> of Eddore" passed away.
I thought when I found out about this post that it must be some lousy
prank that one of the obnoxious harassers thought of doing. But then
I called and confirmed with his dad that Gharlane had, indeed, passed
out of this plane of existence.
And here I was hoping to go to LosCon this year when he hoped to take
his dad for his dad's eightieth birthday. But his dad lost his son
instead. That isn't supposed to happen: dads are supposed to die
*before* sons. At least the death didn't happen violently; Gharlane
died in his sleep.
The USENET will be so much less spicy and energetic without the
Eddorian mien that Gharlane promised E.E. Smith he'd adopt whenever he
wrote. His knowledge of sci-fi was practically photographic,
especially of the Campbell years. He taught himself to read using his
dad's Analogs, after all *grin* I could use "continued next rock"
when he made a particularly low compliment, and he'd know exactly what
I meant. That was a first in *any* of my friends. And we both
absolutely doted on Heinlein's writing (well, I didn't like the "dirty
old man" years, as I termed them) and knew it practically by heart.
Although I did catch him out in an area where I found him to be more
ignorant than I, I found that his knowledge in many other areas was
strong. How rewarding to find that he didn't have to be babied in
camping, because he was an Eagle Scout, of the order of the Iron
Arrow, and had been a scout leader. What fun it was to sing together
from "CAMELOT" or "OKLAHOMA!", because he knew the songs (although he
couldn't read music despite his high school years in a jazz band).
His grandmother's music was fun (and somewhat hard!) to play on her
piano (even my mom found the arrangement of "STARDUST" hard, after he
mailed us a copy!). His Russian and Arabic were incomprehensible to
my Norwegian and German, and neither of us could speak Spanish despite
living in areas where it is spoken. While I learned some basics of
linguistics for fun and to sing other languages, he could always do a
uvular trill that I could not mimic.
A man of many talents and widely ranging knowledge, his wisdom and
experience make him truly a man such as Robert Heinlein said men
should aspire to be. The world will be less for his loss.
\\\\\ \vvv\,, | The Amazon Apologete
)>>>TEMPERANCEJUSTICECOURAGEPRUDENCE------> | Debbie Levi
///// /hhh/'' | del...@bellsouth.net
Emma Pease
>
>"David Patrick" <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> wrote in message
>news:Pine.GSO.3.96.1010614093802.9371A-100000@suma3...
>>
>>
>> I've just been scrolling through Google. I've had quite a few arguments
>> with Gharlane over the years, mostly in UK vs US threads. I dunno what he
>> had against the UK.
>
>Probably the fact that you're a bunch of whining socialists with bad teeth.
>;-P
>
>(Someone must pick up the slack.)
Not quite the same....
I can't believe he is gone; we only exchanged usenet posts last week.
Emma
--
\----
|\* | Emma Pease Net Spinster
|_\/ Die Luft der Freiheit weht
The Avocado Avenger
A few weeks ago someone I dealt with in several newsgroups was reported
as dead. I'd fought with him, flamed him, made up with him, flamed again,
and had just days before his death really flamed him a zinger .. then
found out he was suffering from a terminal illness at the time and died
less than a week later. It sucked. It sucked as bad as Cronan's death.
And now Gharlane. Damn. I hadn't read his stuff for a month or two,
but I didn't even know he was ill.
I once said daeth was a real hoot, something to laugh about because,
hey, nothing's serious. I'd like to retract that. I wish Gharlane wasn't
dead. If he turns out to be alive and pulling our chains, I'll be glad.
Stacia * The Avocado Avenger * Life is a tale told by an idiot;
http://world.std.com/~stacia/ * Full of sound and fury,
There is no guacamole anywhere. * Signifying nothing.
John M. Garth
Given the limited time I have to read the group, and the incredible
volume of messages, I tend to filter out as many of the off topic threads
as I can. But Gharlane's posts were always so entertaining, and so
often educational, that his were the ones I made an effort to find.
Well, OK, there are a couple of others of you that I try to catch
everything from, but Gharlane was at the top of my list.
To quote someone upthread, "Damn, I'm going to miss him".
--
John M. Garth ga...@garlic.com
"Well as answers go, short, to the point, utterly useless and totally
consistent with what I've come to expect from a Vorlon." - John Sheridan
"The Vorlons are Windows '95." - J. M. Straczynski
Flash Sheridan
David Silberstein <dav...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
>I don't know if there is an afterlife, but some part of me hopes that
>his spirit will haunt the perpetrators of Bad Skiffy, making them
Now _that_ would be a suitable memorial; does anyone here know the
appropriate spell? Failing that, someone here suggested he'd've liked
having trees planted in his memory. I'm not equipped to do that, so
instead I'll make a donation in his memory to our local tree-planting
foundation; I'm not sure what they'll make of it.
Followups set in his honor, plus two additional editing passes on
this message.
--
<LI><a href="http://pobox.com/~flash">Flash Sheridan</a>
<LI><a href="http://pobox.com/~spug">Stanford PalmPilot User Group</a>
Ady Jones
The internet is a good way to remember someone.
He was a good man, let us remember him.
Ady
mike stone
>
>I _wish_ I'd known him better :(
>--
>Sincerely Yours,
>Jordan
Me too
--
Mike Stone - Peterborough England
Last words of King Edward II.
"I always said that Roger Mortimer was a pain in the - - - AAARGHH!!!"
David Patrick
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Franklin Harris wrote:
> "David Patrick" <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.3.96.1010614093802.9371A-100000@suma3...
> >
> >
> > I've just been scrolling through Google. I've had quite a few arguments
> > with Gharlane over the years, mostly in UK vs US threads. I dunno what he
> > had against the UK.
>
> Probably the fact that you're a bunch of whining socialists with bad teeth.
> ;-P
>
> (Someone must pick up the slack.)
:) True
On the other hand, when I slagged off Scientology in one post he emailed
me to warn how vindictive they can be. I already knew about their darker
side, but the thought was greatly appreciated.
David Patrick
B. Durbin
of
> Mike Jittlov's The Wizard of Speed and Time. It was a selfless act -
giving me a
> quality copy of a very rare sought after disc and allowing me to make
copies for
> others. He asked nothing in return. In fact I got the impression he would
have
> been offended had I felt honour bound to immediately return the favour.
That
> was Dave. He lived to see people enjoy what he enjoyed. His reward was to
see
> the surprise then pleasure I got from receiving that disc. There were
books he
> recommended too but the disc was very special and its not something I will
> forget as long as I live because via me Dave will still be indulging his
wish of
> supplying copies of TWOSAT to the masses even though he's gone
I'm so glad. I was afraid that disc would be lost, and I'm glad you're
willing to continue the dubs. (My copy was from him.)
Lisa Coulter
>
>I keep hoping it'll turn out that this is all a terrible mistake, but
>if it were somebody would have corrected it by now...
>
>He was a voice of honesty, intelligence, and clarity. He'll be
>missed. I've always wondered who he ``really'' was, especially
>knowing he was a published science fiction author. I wonder if I'll
>ever know.
This is a major tragedy for USENET and the SF community.
He was an entertaining, insightful, and energetic presence. When I corresponded
with him via email,
he was always courteous and informative. I will greatly miss him. My
condolences to his friends and family.
Lisa Coulter
In the end, may he find the sunrise
Jan Yarnot
Failing that, someone here suggested he'd've liked
> having trees planted in his memory. I'm not equipped to do that, so
> instead I'll make a donation in his memory to our local tree-planting
> foundation; I'm not sure what they'll make of it.
This gave me the first giggle of the last few days. I can see it now.
The Eddorian Forest. Near here, we have the Forest of Nisene Marks,
so I can't imagine that the "Forest of Gharlane" would raise any eyebrows.
Plant your trees, and then eat an ice-cream cone in his honor.
---Jan---
> Followups set in his honor, plus two additional editing passes on
> this message.
Yeah, what he said.
Debbie Levi
> This gave me the first giggle of the last few days. I can see it now.
> The Eddorian Forest. Near here, we have the Forest of Nisene Marks,
> so I can't imagine that the "Forest of Gharlane" would raise any eyebrows.
Coincidentally speaking, I just finished an email message to a friend
where I mentioned that a certain photo of Gharlane prompted his being
called a "Rumzeis" (German spelling--I don't know Czech well enough to
spell it in Czech). Seems a Czech friend of mine saw the photo, taken
several years ago. That plus knowing how much Gharlane enjoyed
forests and the outdoors prompted my Czech friend to say Gharlane
looked like a Rumzeis. They're creatures who live in forests and take
care of the forests. They're very shy and aren't often seen. And
they look sort of bushy themselves.
> Plant your trees, and then eat an ice-cream cone in his honor.
Mint chocolate chip!
Miguel Farah F.
>Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
>of Eddore" passed away.
Oh my God. This is awful.
I just hope heaven (or wherever he's ended up in) does have a Usenet
feed.
--
MIGUEL FARAH // mig...@nn.cl
#include <disclaimer.h> // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel
<*>
"Goddamn fatherfucking asshole politician moral paraplegic dipshit
drag-queen bitch!"
- Martin Silenus, _The Fall of Hyperion_
Flash Sheridan
Mike Van Pelt <m...@web1.calweb.com> wrote:
>Same here. I did meet him once, or was in a discussion that
>included him in a room party at Baycon years ago, but I didn't
>know it was him until he sent me email the Tuesday after letting
>me know that I Had Been Observed.
Wait a minute, isn't that the style of a _different_ fictional
character, i.e., Adam Selene?
Followups set in his honor, plus an extra editing pass on this message.
Podkayne Fries
<hum...@world.std.com> wrote:
>I miss him already.
>
So do I, Franklin.
Over the last few days, I've read a number of posts in which a number of
people (most of whose names I don't recognize) have posted a lot of
Gharlane's Real Life information. This greatly distresses me and I
think that some of it should have been kept offline.
When all is said and done, does it really matter what Gharlane's True
Name was? Do we really need to know where he worked? Do we need to
know any more about his personal life than that which he was willing to
commit to public archives? Does anything matter outside of the
relationship that each of us had with him?
Gharlane was an exceptionally intelligent man with an incredible memory.
He delighted in sharing his knowledge with others. He was always
gracious and charming with me and could usually make me laugh. I will
remember him fondly, and what more could one want?
As we all know, Gharlane was very fond of guns. For those who would
like to do something in his memory, you might consider contacting the
NRA and asking how you could provide a local school with the materials
for their "Eddie Eagle" gun safety program. My daughter's school uses
this program, and it's an excellent way to teach firearm safety, which
can end up saving young lives. I think Gharlane would like that.
--
Regards, Podkayne Fries
"WebTV is for people who think game shows are too hard." - Kibo
Joe Pfeiffer
The National Rifle Association (mentioned by Podkayne) is the oldest,
and most successful, firearm safety organization in the world. You
may or may not agree with the organization's politics (disclaimer:
Gharlane did, and I do, agree with them), but to fail to recognize
their contributions to safety would be to let your own political views
blind you to real life.
The NRA's ``Eddie the Eagle'' program is a straightforward gun safety
program for children with no political overtones whatever (note that
the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
politics.
Paul Harper
wrote:
>(note that
>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>politics.
Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
It would be a fitting memorial, to be sure. But worthy?
Paul.
--
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A .sig is all well and good, but it's no substitute for a personality
" . . . SFX is a fairly useless publication on just
about every imaginable front. Never have so many jumped-up fanboys done so
little, with so much, for so long." JMS.
B. Durbin
and appropriate. My suggestion is to go to your local animal shelter and
adopt a kitten, because he loved cats but was allergic. (If the kitten
becomes a terror, the name "Gharlane" would be appropriate, methinks.)
B. Durbin
I just finished coloring and uploading a tribute comic for the great
Gharlane... the reason it took me so long is because I had to work at a
higher resolution than I am accustomed to in order to create a prinatble
version, and my computer is so danged slow...
At any rate, though it doesn't have much to do with him (it has more to do
with the way I feel), it does involve kittens, and I thought everyone needed
some kittens. (He loved kittens but was allergic.) It also uses his real
name, because a copy will be going to his father.
So hop over to http://dexlives.keenspace.com/ and grab a copy for yourself.
G'bye.
Jordan S. Bassior
>On 16 Jun 2001 23:15:57 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>(note that
>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>politics.
>
>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
>
>It would be a fitting memorial, to be sure. But worthy?
How is the law-abiding, peaceful, and moral NRA even roughly equivalent to the
law-breaking, violent, and amoral IRA?
Martin Soederstroem
<pa...@harper.netNOSPAM> wrote:
>On 16 Jun 2001 23:15:57 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>(note that
>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>politics.
>
>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
>
>It would be a fitting memorial, to be sure. But worthy?
And now this memorial thread has become a gun control thread. I'll
have to take the advice of the anti-moderation posters, and just
killfile it.
--
Martin
This is not a sig.
Gareth Wilson
> How is the law-abiding, peaceful, and moral NRA even roughly equivalent to the
> law-breaking, violent, and amoral IRA?
Please, Jordan. You know what they think, and you know you won't convince them,
so just let it drop, OK?
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gareth Wilson
Christchurch
New Zealand
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rick
news:3B2C86CD...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz...
> "Jordan S. Bassior" wrote:
>
> > How is the law-abiding, peaceful, and moral NRA even roughly equivalent
to the
> > law-breaking, violent, and amoral IRA?
>
> Please, Jordan. You know what they think, and you know you won't convince
them,
> so just let it drop, OK?
Why should he? Why should anyone? Is it all right for someone to say such
idiotic slander with impunity but wrong for anyone else to call them on it?
Rick
>
>On 16 Jun 2001 23:15:57 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu>
>wrote:
> >
>>(note that
>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>politics.
>
>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
>
>It would be a fitting memorial, to be sure. But worthy?
That is a particularly asinine statement on your part...you should be
ashamed to display that sort of abject stupidity for all to see.
Cheryl Deering
Debbie Levi wrote:
>
> fossilf...@yahoo.com (Jan Yarnot) wrote in message
> > Plant your trees, and then eat an ice-cream cone
. . .or slurries!!
> in his honor.
>
> Mint chocolate chip!
. . .or blueberry. . .
C.
**
(Minus a shot of Jolt or Mountain Dew, however--g!)
Robert Whelan
> Paul Harper said:
>
> >On 16 Jun 2001 23:15:57 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>(note that
> >>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
> >>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
> >>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
> >>politics.
> >
> >Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
> >
> >It would be a fitting memorial, to be sure. But worthy?
>
> How is the law-abiding, peaceful, and moral NRA even roughly equivalent to the
> law-breaking, violent, and amoral IRA?
The law-abiding, peaceful, and moral NRA represents the U.S. gun
manufacturers. If it weren't for gun smuggling, to organizations
like the IRA they wouldn't make a quarter of the cash they do.
Bill Snyder
<pa...@harper.netNOSPAM> wrote:
>On 16 Jun 2001 23:15:57 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>(note that
>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>politics.
>
>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
>
>It would be a fitting memorial, to be sure. But worthy?
>
Mr. Kneejerk, meet Mr. Killfile. Mr. Killfile, Mr. Kneejerk. May you
have a long and happy acquaintance.
<THWOCK...TUNK...tunk...tunktunktunk*rattle*>
(Hey, has anybody noticed that the ones with wooden heads make a
really neat noise when they hit the bottom?)
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]
Mark Atwood
>
> The law-abiding, peaceful, and moral NRA represents the U.S. gun
> manufacturers.
No, it doesn't. The US gun manufacturers have their own PAC
and lobbying group. The NRA attempts to represent gun *owners*.
> If it weren't for gun smuggling, to organizations
> like the IRA they wouldn't make a quarter of the cash they do.
I will now display some ignorance on my part, but I was under the
impression that most "illegal guns" in the UK and Europe are from the
former Soviet states.
Also, I would point out that a fair chunk of firearms owned and sold
in the US are not from US manufacturers. Glock is probably the best
and best known example. This would imply that US made guns do not have
a monopoly position in the rest of the world either.
I don't mind your ignorance, ignorance is curable. I do mind
your idiocy, as it usually isn't.
--
Mark Atwood | I'm wearing black only until I find something darker.
m...@pobox.com | http://www.pobox.com/~mra
Paul Harper
wrote:
>Mr. Kneejerk, meet Mr. Killfile. Mr. Killfile, Mr. Kneejerk. May you
>have a long and happy acquaintance.
Wow! As bad a case of kettle-meet-pot as I've ever seen!
Paul.
--
See Jeri Ryan at the Retribution Convention : www.supernova-conventions.com
Kyle Haight
Rick <sf.w...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>Why should he? Why should anyone? Is it all right for someone to say such
>idiotic slander with impunity but wrong for anyone else to call them on it?
Fine. It's been stated, it's been called. Drop it here. Please.
--
Kyle Haight
kha...@alumni.ucsd.edu
Rick
news:9giuk0$79q$3...@og1.olagrande.net...
> In article <u03X6.2104$mQ2.1...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>,
> Rick <sf.w...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >Why should he? Why should anyone? Is it all right for someone to say
such
> >idiotic slander with impunity but wrong for anyone else to call them on
it?
>
> Fine. It's been stated, it's been called. Drop it here. Please.
All right.
John Schilling
>> Paul Harper said:
Sigh. Last time I checked, at least 86% of the NRA's funds came from U.S. gun
*owners*. The major U.S. gun *manufacturers* are mostly the wholly-owned
subsidiaries of holding companies that are already in a bad enough PR position
just from owning an Evil Gun Company and are not about to aggrivate the problem
by making big donatoons to the Evil NRA. And the arsenals of terrorist groups
like the IRA are measured in single-digit thousands at best, which won't even
show up on the balance sheet of major gun manufacturers who turn out millions
of firearms a year.
Three strikes, you're out.
--
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*Member:AIAA,NRA,ACLU,SAS,LP * is worth doing for money" *
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Robin Parkinson
I wonder if Gharlane (who will be sadly missed) would consider it a fitting
memorial that the thread announcing his sad demise has transmogrified into
yet another gun thread....
- Robin (GoE memorial followup set. Unset it if you want to reply.)
--
Trout: slightly fishy, but never coarse. http://www.troutmag.org
Mark Atwood
> by making big donatoons
I like that word. Was it an accident, or on purpose?
Robert D. Baker
Paul Harper wrote in message <4ltoito0m4n5ucr3l...@4ax.com>...
>On 16 Jun 2001 23:15:57 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>(note that
>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>politics.
>
>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
Ignorant lout.
Jamie Hanrahan
wrote:
Or an older cat. He loved them too, and most kittens WILL be adopted, but
older cats in shelters often wait for a very long time.
--- jeh
Podkayne Fries
wrote:
>On 16 Jun 2001 23:15:57 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>(note that
>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>politics.
>
>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
>
>It would be a fitting memorial, to be sure. But worthy?
ROTFLMAO! Paul, you never fail to amuse. I doubt that you're doing it
on *purpose*, but you're still pretty funny.
Cronan, rest his soul, has been gone for over 18 months, and there are
still people smarting from flame wars that ended with his final posts.
I wonder how long people will cry over the spankings they received from
Gharlane?
Podkayne Fries
wrote:
>My mother has suggested that planting trees in his memory would be worthy
>and appropriate. My suggestion is to go to your local animal shelter and
>adopt a kitten, because he loved cats but was allergic. (If the kitten
>becomes a terror, the name "Gharlane" would be appropriate, methinks.)
>
>
This is a nice thought, but planting trees isn't something that many of
us would associate with Gharlane. That's why I mentioned the "Eddie
Eagle" program.
A quick farbering produces tem times as many hits for <gharlane + gun>
as it does for <gharlane + tree>. I'm not doubting your word, mind you,
but for those of us who only knew him online, providing a school with
the materials for an Eddie Eagle program is something that *we* would
find more fitting.
Podkayne Fries
<nos...@maitreya.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 03:12:53 GMT, fr...@fairfieldi.com (Podkayne Fries) wrote:
>>
>>When all is said and done, does it really matter what Gharlane's True
>>Name was?
>
>The reason is that for those of us who knew him he was far more than just
>Gharlane - an online handle, a usenet persona, a subset of the real man.
>I knew Dave as Dave and its Dave's memory I honour.
If you knew him in Real Life, you should be aware of the fact that
Gharlane had been harassed in real life by netkooks who went over the
edge and caused problems for him offline. Placing his True Name and
relevant details on Usenet raises the possibility that his family could
be harassed by these kooks.
Pete McCutchen
wrote:
It's wrong because it risks summoning the Great Gun Thread.
--
Pete McCutchen
Pete McCutchen
>In article <GEw11...@kithrup.com>, s...@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) wrote:
>> Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
>> of Eddore" passed away.
>>
>> I don't have any details about this yet; I'm not sure I can handle any at this
>> point.
>>
>> What I do know is that I considered him a friend, and am going to miss him
>> terribly.
>>
>> I wish this were a sick joke. I've spoken with a coworker of his,
>> unfortunately, and I had my suspcisions based on his lack of activity.
>
>...I'm stunned... he was always such a Presence online, he'll leave a
>large hole in Usenet. Like Kosh, he had always been here...
>I wish it would be revealed that he's just spending a year dead for tax
>purposes...
Yes. I too shall miss his commentary.
--
Pete McCutchen
Pete McCutchen
<pa...@harper.netNOSPAM> wrote:
>On 16 Jun 2001 23:15:57 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>(note that
>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>politics.
>
>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
>
>It would be a fitting memorial, to be sure. But worthy?
Whatever your feelings about the NRA, it strikes me that this was a
rather obnoxious comment to make amidst a thread dedicated to somebody
who has just left this plane of existence.
--
Pete McCutchen
Pål Are Nordal
[ Paul Harper ]
Podkayne Fries wrote:
>
> ROTFLMAO! Paul, you never fail to amuse. I doubt that you're doing it
> on *purpose*, but you're still pretty funny.
[...]
> I wonder how long people will cry over the spankings they received from
> Gharlane?
Please, you mustn't blame poor Paul... He has little choice but to do
the bidding of the ATC (Alcohol, Tobacco and Caffeine) if he wants tea
coupons he needs to get him trough the next week. You see, the ATC fear
that Gharlane's passing will increase the knowledge his extensive
research into the British government's systematic addiction of it's
populace to that vile substance, and they reacted by moving him all the
way from Yellow Label to Earl Grey on the threat board...
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Jan Yarnot
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 02:43:15 -0700, "B. Durbin" <dex_...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >My mother has suggested that planting trees in his memory would be worthy
> >and appropriate. My suggestion is to go to your local animal shelter and
> >adopt a kitten, because he loved cats but was allergic. (If the kitten
> >becomes a terror, the name "Gharlane" would be appropriate, methinks.)
> >
> >
> This is a nice thought, but planting trees isn't something that many of
> us would associate with Gharlane. That's why I mentioned the "Eddie
> Eagle" program.
>
> A quick farbering produces tem times as many hits for <gharlane + gun>
> as it does for <gharlane + tree>. I'm not doubting your word, mind you,
> but for those of us who only knew him online, providing a school with
> the materials for an Eddie Eagle program is something that *we* would
> find more fitting.
Oh, my first suggestion was a donation to the NRA, but the stony
silence which greeted it led to the tree-and-ice-cream second choice.
That, and does California even *allow* Eddie Eagle?
---Jan---
O Deus
>>>(note that
>>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>>politics.
>>
>>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
>
> Ignorant lout.
True, the NRA doesn't actually kill people with their own hands. They enable
the laws that kill people.
Jamie Hanrahan
wrote:
>"He's really not dead. As long as we remember him". McCoy, Star Trek II.
>
>The internet is a good way to remember someone.
>
>He was a good man, let us remember him.
Good, but not really sufficient.
See, Gharlane was here as a _teacher_. Every time he corrected us (and
no, I've not been in these groups for a long time, but I used to come in
for my share of corrections, believe me I did), we learned something -- if
we allowed ourselves to, and if we had the wit to recognize that there was
something there WORTH learning.
(Where we didn't, that was almost always our failing, not his.)
NO! I'm not talking about picayune stuff like grammar or punctuation or
spelling or who really appeared in some old movie (the making of which had
utterly no cosmic significance).
Well, sure, those things too. But mostly he was using those to show us,
by example, some far more important principles. Like intolerance for
inaccuracy and sloppy thinking. The cold hard fact that the laws of
physics can't be violated. And the unwillingness to accept mediocrity in
ANY form.
Now. Does the school close its doors when its star teacher retires?
Well, in a society bent on self-desctruction, sure --
I know many of us have expressed appreciation for what he taught us. I'm
going to further express that appreciation in this way: I'm going to try
to be what Gharlane was -- an effective teacher of things worth learning
-- to at least two other people in my life. It's not a lot, but then I'm
just a man, not a brain in a jar; we all do what we can. Anyway, I'll
promise to NOT stop at two if it looks like I'll have time for more. If
each of us did only that, anything else left undone in our lives just
wouldn't matter much.
--- Jamie Hanrahan, San Diego, California
Paul Harper
wrote:
>ROTFLMAO! Paul, you never fail to amuse. I doubt that you're doing it
>on *purpose*, but you're still pretty funny.
Let me put that one to rest - it actually *is* mostly deliberate. My
humour tends to work on at least a couple of levels: Those to whom the
posts are directed and those that know me well.
Those that know me well enough to know what my posts actually mean
tend to get the biggest laugh, though.
>I wonder how long people will cry over the spankings they received from
>Gharlane?
No idea! It's up to them, I suppose - I wouldn't know.
Paul.
--
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Paul Harper
<a_b...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>they reacted by moving him all the
>way from Yellow Label to Earl Grey on the threat board...
Earl Grey Hot, if you please.
Joe Slater
>See, Gharlane was here as a _teacher_. Every time he corrected us (and
>no, I've not been in these groups for a long time, but I used to come in
>for my share of corrections, believe me I did), we learned something -- if
>we allowed ourselves to, and if we had the wit to recognize that there was
>something there WORTH learning.
Yes. I well recall how he corrected my spelling. On alt.folklore.urban
I referred to a story I had heard from my grandmother, well known for
her voracity. He kindly corrected me and explained that I surely meant
*veracity*. His kindness and thoughtfulness cheered me up for days.
jds
--
Joe Slater was but a low-grade paranoiac, whose fantastic notions must
have come from the crude hereditary folk-tales which circulated in even
the most decadent of communities.
_Beyond the Wall of Sleep_ by H P Lovecraft
Mark Jones
<p.mcc...@worldnet.att.net> spake thusly:
Kinda like Bruce Campbell playing back the recording of the ritual
from the Necronomicon in Evil Dead. You just _know_ he's gonna pay
for that....
B. Durbin
Wow. Okay, you just made me feel really, really good on Gharlane's behalf.
Because you just stood up for everything he really cared about. There's too
many people out there trying to make us feel that there's nothing really
worth caring about, and you've just declared your membership in the Lensmen.
Paul Harper
<p.mcc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Whatever your feelings about the NRA, it strikes me that this was a
>rather obnoxious comment to make amidst a thread dedicated to somebody
>who has just left this plane of existence.
I fail to see why. I took severe exception to the simplistic gun lobby
threads while he was alive - what has changed that makes that
different now?
If you guys want to go and sanctify Gharlane's memory and build marble
caricatures of what you remember of him then that's up to you.
Personally, I think it more fitting to remember him for all that he
was - negatives as well as positives.
And *before* you leap down my throat at that line, I freely
acknowledge that he had many and varied positive sides. People whom I
have met face-to-face several times and whose opinions I value and
respect (especially Ali and Shaz) have said how kind and generous he
was towards them. So *DON'T* go taking that comment as some half-arsed
attack.
Reality check time guys.
Rick
news:t8crito8alonsnmn2...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 03:40:56 GMT, Pete McCutchen
> <p.mcc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Whatever your feelings about the NRA, it strikes me that this was a
> >rather obnoxious comment to make amidst a thread dedicated to somebody
> >who has just left this plane of existence.
>
> I fail to see why.
Yes you do. And that's your problem.
Paul Harper
wrote:
No I don't (and I'll thank you not to tell me what I am thinking,
especially when it's so inaccurate).
It seems to be your problem rather than mine. Live with it.
Paul.
Rick
Read it over again, this time following the logical chain. You said you
failed to see why. I agreed, that yes, you do fail to see why. What you
need to do is consider how rude you're being and just drop it. I won't be
posting on it again myself after this.
Paul Harper
wrote:
>What you need to do is consider how rude you're being and just drop it.
And how long ago would it have been dropped but for the misplaced
righteous indignation?
>I won't be
>posting on it again myself after this.
A late lesson, but one worth learning.
Jan Vanek jr.
>
> Coincidentally speaking, I just finished an email message to a friend
> where I mentioned that a certain photo of Gharlane prompted his being
> called a "Rumzeis" (German spelling--I don't know Czech well enough to
> spell it in Czech). Seems a Czech friend of mine saw the photo, taken
> several years ago. That plus knowing how much Gharlane enjoyed
> forests and the outdoors prompted my Czech friend to say Gharlane
> looked like a Rumzeis. They're creatures who live in forests and take
> care of the forests. They're very shy and aren't often seen. And
> they look sort of bushy themselves.
Umm, then obviously the friend and I are living in wildly different
versions of Czechia. Rumcajs, which would appear to be what you mean
(at least it is pronounced as German Rumzeis would) is the name of
a character of a good robber, or rather a general righter of wrongs,
in a series of fairy-tale books, later adapted into cartoons (to see
whether the picture would fit Gharlane's appearance, there's one at
the bottom of http://mesta.obce.cz/jicin/st4a.htm or two scattered
throughout http://www.novinky.cz/Index/Kultura/4578.html ). Although
now that I think of it I seem to recall he cared for woods in the midst
of which he lived in a cave with his family, perhaps even planting new
trees here and there (a part of his goodness was having always only an
acorn loaded in his gun - I'm not sure whether this would go against
comparing Gharlane to him, or just the opposite, since he consequently
didn't hesitate to fire it to teach baddies a lesson) - I am not sure,
it's been too long since I read this. But certainly not shy and
reclusive.
Anyway, the only Rumcajs _I_ know of isn't a mythical creature which
could be used with the indefinite article or in plural, and I'm pretty
sure there was NOT an earlier usage in this sense, unknown to me, whence
it would be taken by the author. Perhaps a misunderstanding between you
and the friend when he explained it, or a hazy memory?
--
Jan Vanek jr. Jan.Va...@seznam.cz
Charles Glasgow
> >> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 03:40:56 GMT, Pete McCutchen
> >> <p.mcc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Whatever your feelings about the NRA, it strikes me that this was a
> >> >rather obnoxious comment to make amidst a thread dedicated to somebody
> >> >who has just left this plane of existence.
> >>
> >> I fail to see why.
> >
> >Yes you do. And that's your problem.
>
> No I don't (and I'll thank you not to tell me what I am thinking,
*You* told us what you were thinking, Paul, when you confessed to not
seeing why.
> especially when it's so inaccurate).
Whoa, were you lying to your diary then?
> It seems to be your problem rather than mine. Live with it.
No, Paul, it is your problem... that you can't recognize the common
etiquette that says that a wake is no place to start a pissing
contest. If you want to debate gun control, you're perfectly free to
head over to a gun control thread and do it there and be well within
your rights. But what you're doing now is as out of place as a
campaign speech at a funeral.
--
Chuckg
Paul Harper
wrote:
>No, Paul, it is your problem... that you can't recognize the common
>etiquette that says that a wake is no place to start a pissing
>contest.
And so I don't make the same terrible mistake of upsetting everyone,
when is this "wake" expected to finish, so normal service can be
resumed?
Also, since a contest by definition involves more than one contestant,
I assume your comments apply as much to the others as to me? Actually,
don't bother answering that - I already know the answer.
mstemper - emis . com
>...is dead, alas.
I'm sorry to hear that. I wasn't as close to him as some here, but
we had corresponded slightly.
He was a fixture around here, one I always took for granted.
Damn it, immortal ameboid life forms aren't supposed to die! Did
Kinnison finally catch up with him, or what?
--
Michael F. Stemper
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Reunite Gondwanaland!
Terry Austin
"O Deus" <od...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:9gk77v$5...@dispatch.concentric.net...
But don't let any facts interfere with a good delusion.
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
"Pete McCutchen" <p.mcc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:kafpit8v11urjcl57...@4ax.com...
Why consistently point that out when someone responds to a blatant
untruth about the NRA, but not to the blatant untruth, which is
*far* more likely to summon the GGT?
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
"Steve Taylor" <teapot7s...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:3B2D73C9...@ozemail.com.au...
> Rick wrote:
>
> > Why should he? Why should anyone? Is it all right for someone to say
such
> > idiotic slander with impunity but wrong for anyone else to call them on
it?
>
> shouldn't be getting into a fight.
>
Perhaps you should direct such comments towards whoever made the
untrue statements about the NRA.
If you don't want to look like you're taking sides, that is.
Terry Austin
David Given
s...@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) writes:
> Sometime after this past Sunday morning, the man known on the net as "Gharlane
> of Eddore" passed away.
Great. I go on holiday for three weeks and this happens.
I never knew Gharlane, I never exchanged email with him, and I don't
recall any particular Usenet exchanges with him. But he was always there
in the background, posting distinctive, informative (and usually rather
biting messages). Someone's just kicked down one of the legs that held up
rasfw, and it's not going to be the same place any more.
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Jeff Walther
> Cronan, rest his soul, has been gone for over 18 months, and there are
> still people smarting from flame wars that ended with his final posts.
> I wonder how long people will cry over the spankings they received from
> Gharlane?
Does anyone else remember a post of Gharlane's in the last several
weeks, where a memory problem of his led him to believe he didn't have
long left? Maybe it was all part of the brain-in-a-jar persona, but
that bit of posting keeps echoing. Weird, unless he was in the habit of
posting something similar every few weeks.
I didn't know him, but like many I always read his posts on any topic.
It was always to a special treat to me when he replied to one of my
posts.
I'm still somewhere between denial and anger.
Geoduck
>Podkayne Fries wrote:
>
>> Cronan, rest his soul, has been gone for over 18 months, and there are
>> still people smarting from flame wars that ended with his final posts.
>> I wonder how long people will cry over the spankings they received from
>> Gharlane?
>
>Does anyone else remember a post of Gharlane's in the last several
>weeks, where a memory problem of his led him to believe he didn't have
>long left? Maybe it was all part of the brain-in-a-jar persona, but
>that bit of posting keeps echoing. Weird, unless he was in the habit of
>posting something similar every few weeks.
He was always making jokes about senility setting in, usually after
someone managed to catch him in a mistake.
He also posted a yearly(?) piece on April Fool's Day about retiring
from Usenet and naming [INSERT NAME OF TROLL-OF-THE-MONTH HERE] as his
successor.
--
Geoduck
http://www.olywa.net/cook
Charles Glasgow
> On 18 Jun 2001 09:10:23 -0700, cgla...@hotmail.com (Charles Glasgow)
> wrote:
>
> >No, Paul, it is your problem... that you can't recognize the common
> >etiquette that says that a wake is no place to start a pissing
> >contest.
>
> And so I don't make the same terrible mistake of upsetting everyone,
Oh, by all means, go ahead and *do* upset people.
> when is this "wake" expected to finish, so normal service can be
> resumed?
If you need me to tell you, you *are* out of touch. Try using your
common sense, instead. I can provide you with one hint, however --
threads whose primary topics are intended to be tributes or
remembrances of Gharlane can be considered part of the 'wake' or other
such memorial services, regardless of calendar date. Whenever and
wherever people gather together with the purpose of honoring and
remembering absent comrades, funeral etiquette applies.
> Also, since a contest by definition involves more than one contestant,
> I assume your comments apply as much to the others as to me? Actually,
> don't bother answering that - I already know the answer.
Yes, but do you know the answer behind the answer?
Since the instigatee of a fight is not as morally culpable as the
instigator, I do not hold them in the same disregard that I hold you.
We are supposed to be gathered in this thread to honor the dear
departed. In respect for that, kindly find something *nice* to say
about the man, or say nothing at all. Just as you would at any
funeral, wake, memorial service, or anything similar that you would be
attending in your non-online life.
--
Chuckg
Podkayne Fries
wrote:
>
>Oh, my first suggestion was a donation to the NRA, but the stony
>silence which greeted it led to the tree-and-ice-cream second choice.
Well, pooh. Google must have eaten the post, or it didn't hit my
usually reliable feed. Had I seen it, I would have followed up on it.
FWIW, a couple of people in other groups have said that Google's posting
leaves something to be desired. They've mentioned that some of their
posts have been eaten by the Ether Bunny.
>That, and does California even *allow* Eddie Eagle?
>
Huh? I've heard that California's ideas about gun control are more
stringent than in other parts of the country, but why would they
disallow a gun safety program?
--
Regards, Podkayne Fries
"WebTV is for people who think game shows are too hard." - Kibo
Podkayne Fries
<p.mcc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:22:39 +0100, Paul Harper
><pa...@harper.netNOSPAM> wrote:
>
>>On 16 Jun 2001 23:15:57 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>(note that
>>>the NRA's political arm is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action,
>>>and is separate from their other activities). A contribution to it
>>>would be a worthy memorial, whatever your feelings about firearms or
>>>politics.
>>
>>Like the IRA and Sin Fein? I see.
>>
>>It would be a fitting memorial, to be sure. But worthy?
>
>Whatever your feelings about the NRA, it strikes me that this was a
>rather obnoxious comment to make amidst a thread dedicated to somebody
>who has just left this plane of existence.
Paul seems to be looking for some sort of 'payback'. My children
outgrew the 'he hit me first' crap when they got to be 6 or 7. Paul
hasn't seemed to have progressed beyond that phase.
Podkayne Fries
wrote:
>
>Those that know me well enough to know what my posts actually mean
>tend to get the biggest laugh, though.
And the rest of us aren't laughing *with* you, Paul, we're laughing *at*
you. Those of us in rec.arts.sf.tv have read many a post in which
Gharlane pushed your buttons over and over again. Lacking the ability
to match his wits, you decided to whine instead.
You really *are* a funny little man. It's amusing to note that you've
had so much to say about someone you'd allegedly killfiled.
Mike Van Pelt
Podkayne Fries <fr...@fairfieldi.com> wrote:
>>That, and does California even *allow* Eddie Eagle?
>>
>Huh? I've heard that California's ideas about gun control are more
>stringent than in other parts of the country, but why would they
>disallow a gun safety program?
All The Usual Suspects fought tooth and nail to keep the Eddie
Eagle program out of California schools. As near as I can
determine their "thinking" (using the term in its loosest
possible sense):
1) It's by the NRA, and the NRA is evil incarnate. It is better
that kids die than be saved by anything associated with the NRA.
2) Dead kids on the evening news are a valuable propaganda resource
in the jihad against the Bill of Rights. Kids who leave the gun
they found alone and tell an adult aren't a news story, and do
nothing to advance The Cause.
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Arthur Levesque
PF>I've heard that California's ideas about gun control are more
PF>stringent than in other parts of the country, but why would they
PF>disallow a gun safety program?
Maryland just did. The governor vetoed a gun education program,
because he denied that education would make children safer and more
responsible -- precisely the opposite of the viewpoint liberals push
when advocating sex ed to kindergardeners...
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