Re: Why big-L Libertarianism is not so good for your rights, in one
Shawn Wilson
> >> This claim is readily disproven by the existence of goods which do,
> >> in the real world, have a price of zero.
>
> > I defy you to name one.
>
> Last year, in this group, Shawn claimed that water was free for him in
> Phoenix.
It doesn't cost (me) MONEY. Price isn't limited to money. If nothing
else, it takes time and physical effort to drink from a free public
fountain.
David Johnston
It takes more time and physical effort to refuse an issue of the
Watchtower than to accept one.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
wrote:
>It takes more time and physical effort to refuse an issue of the
>Watchtower than to accept one.
Which is why I accept them and toss them directly into the recycling
bin.
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Stephen Graham
> On Jun 8, 9:31 am, Stephen Graham<grah...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
>>>> This claim is readily disproven by the existence of goods which do,
>>>> in the real world, have a price of zero.
>>
>>> I defy you to name one.
>>
>> Last year, in this group, Shawn claimed that water was free for him in
>> Phoenix.
>
>
> It doesn't cost (me) MONEY. Price isn't limited to money.
By the standard definition in economics, price is limited to money.
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But Shawn doesn't know that, since he isn't an economist.
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D.F. Manno
Stephen Graham <gra...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> Shawn Wilson wrote:
> > Stephen Graham wrote:
> >
> >>>> This claim is readily disproven by the existence of goods which do,
> >>>> in the real world, have a price of zero.
> >>
> >>> I defy you to name one.
> >>
> >> Last year, in this group, Shawn claimed that water was free for him in
> >> Phoenix.
> >
> > It doesn't cost (me) MONEY. Price isn't limited to money.
>
> By the standard definition in economics, price is limited to money.
Wilson is a non-standard non-economist.
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plausible prose man
> On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:48:34 -0700 (PDT), Shawn Wilson
>
Sure, which is why quite a few people accept one, take two more steps,
and throw them away, or glance at them and then throw them away. It's
not like the cost of actually reading the damn things is lower than
the utlity you'd get from reading one, which is why no one less crazy
than Bill Snyder reads the damn things.
plausible prose man
> In article <bcudneC8XYttLZPRnZ2dnUVZ_hkAA...@speakeasy.net>,
> Stephen Graham <grah...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
> > Shawn Wilson wrote:
> > > Stephen Graham wrote:
>
> > >>>> This claim is readily disproven by the existence of goods which do,
> > >>>> in the real world, have a price of zero.
>
> > >>> I defy you to name one.
>
> > >> Last year, in this group, Shawn claimed that water was free for him in
> > >> Phoenix.
>
> > > It doesn't cost (me) MONEY. Price isn't limited to money.
>
> > By the standard definition in economics, price is limited to money.
>
> Wilson is a non-standard non-economist.
You're no better.
David Johnston
<George...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jun 8, 3:05 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:48:34 -0700 (PDT), Shawn Wilson
>>
>> <ikonoql...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Jun 8, 9:31 am, Stephen Graham <grah...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> This claim is readily disproven by the existence of goods which do,
>> >> >> in the real world, have a price of zero.
>>
>> >> > I defy you to name one.
>>
>> >> Last year, in this group, Shawn claimed that water was free for him in
>> >> Phoenix.
>>
>> >It doesn't cost (me) MONEY. Price isn't limited to money. If nothing
>> >else, it takes time and physical effort to drink from a free public
>> >fountain.
>>
>> It takes more time and physical effort to refuse an issue of the
>> Watchtower than to accept one.
>
>Sure, which is why quite a few people accept one, take two more steps,
>and throw them away, or glance at them and then throw them away.
But not everyone.
David DeLaney
> Stephen Graham <gra...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> Shawn Wilson wrote:
>> > Stephen Graham wrote:
>> >> Last year, in this group, Shawn claimed that water was free for him in
>> >> Phoenix.
>> >
>> > It doesn't cost (me) MONEY. Price isn't limited to money.
>>
>> By the standard definition in economics, price is limited to money.
>
>Wilson is a non-standard non-economist.
oh DUH, he's trying to use the arithmetic of infinitesimals. THAT'S why.
Dave "the inverse of a Giant Brain" DeLaney
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plausible prose man
Point being, even if the cost of accepting one is lower than the cost
of not accepting it, so many people who have no intention of reading
it accept one, for most people the cost of reading it is higher than
the cost of not reading it, so quite a few people accept them and
don't read them after all.
Thus, the point stands, contra Schattke and Stemper, that even a
price of zero or a negative price is insuffiicient to move consumers
past indifference, given the reality of utility functions, as Shawn
mentions at the beginning of this thread.
Mike Schilling
"Lawrence Watt-Evans" <l...@sff.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:05:58 GMT, David Johnston <da...@block.net>
> wrote:
>
>>It takes more time and physical effort to refuse an issue of the
>>Watchtower than to accept one.
>
> Which is why I accept them and toss them directly into the recycling
> bin.
I knew there must be some way out of it.
Mike Schilling
"D.F. Manno" <dfm...@mail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <bcudneC8XYttLZPR...@speakeasy.net>,
> Stephen Graham <gra...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
>> Shawn Wilson wrote:
>> > Stephen Graham wrote:
>> >
>> >>>> This claim is readily disproven by the existence of goods which do,
>> >>>> in the real world, have a price of zero.
>> >>
>> >>> I defy you to name one.
>> >>
>> >> Last year, in this group, Shawn claimed that water was free for him in
>> >> Phoenix.
>> >
>> > It doesn't cost (me) MONEY. Price isn't limited to money.
>>
>> By the standard definition in economics, price is limited to money.
>
> Wilson is a non-standard non-economist.
An infinitesmal?
Jonathan Schattke
> Point being, even if the cost of accepting one is lower than the cost
> of not accepting it, so many people who have no intention of reading
> it accept one, for most people the cost of reading it is higher than
> the cost of not reading it, so quite a few people accept them and
> don't read them after all.
>
> Thus, the point stands, contra Schattke and Stemper, that even a
> price of zero or a negative price is insuffiicient to move consumers
> past indifference, given the reality of utility functions, as Shawn
> mentions at the beginning of this thread.
No one is indifferent to air.
plausible prose man
An hero is.
Shawn Wilson
> > Thus, the point stands, contra Schattke and Stemper, that even a
> > price of zero or a negative price is insuffiicient to move consumers
> > past indifference, given the reality of utility functions, as Shawn
> > mentions at the beginning of this thread.
>
> No one is indifferent to air.
The marginal cost of consuming more air is not zero.
David DeLaney
ObSF, almost: "None sing hymns to brains. But oh, to be without them!"
Dave
plausible prose man
> Shawn Wilson <ikonoql...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 9, 9:09 am, Jonathan Schattke <wiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Thus, the point stands, contra Schattke and Stemper, that even a
> >> > price of zero or a negative price is insuffiicient to move consumers
> >> > past indifference, given the reality of utility functions, as Shawn
> >> > mentions at the beginning of this thread.
>
> >> No one is indifferent to air.
>
> >The marginal cost of consuming more air is not zero.
>
> ObSF, almost: "None sing hymns to brains. But oh, to be without them!"
What would you do with a brain if you had one?
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He'd unravel every riddle.
Mike Schilling
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All my friends would be gawking
I would feel like Stephen Hawking