Star Trek Enterprise: To Arms!
Cori
was not one of the best-known, most literate shows on television, I
don't know what was, and now they're talking about canceling one of its
noble progeny before a lot of us have even got to see it!
This is a Call To Arms!
Here's some good news at least, the series "Star Trek Enterprise" is
said to be coming out on DVD in May. But its fans are in a big fight
to keep it on the air, if not on UPN, then maybe Sci-Fi or USA. One
reason fans are so angry at UPN is that for some people (count yours
truly in here) this show is hard or impossible to get and then they
give the excuse that the ratings are down. Well, of course the
ratings are down, they don't broadcast everywhere. The other thing is
if you have a satellite system you are not counted in the ratings
either.
Anybody who is a fan or who just wants to help, please do so. Go to
www.saveourenterprise.com , www.EnterpriseProj.org or
www.startrekfans.com and find out how you can help save this show. If
you're a member of StarTrek.com go to the message boards, click on
Enterprise and leave feedback there.
The Enterprise Project leader is asking your name, town and state on a
petition. She is planning on delivering it to UPN and Paramount this
week. The email address is
ENTprojec...@aol.com
Just email to the above link with your name, city and state. MJ wants
her suitcase bulging when she walks onto that airplane.
Here are several other places to sign a petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/NX01/petition.html
http://www.startrekfans.net/petition
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6902611
Note: If you try calling UPN, you'll get a snippy response from the
receptionist, as they are no longer accepting calls for Enterprise.
Some of the members are getting around that by tellling the
receptionist that they want to leave feedback for another show such as
WWF or Veronica Mars. It's there they are leaving feedback about
Enterprise. The editor of Sci Fi Wire said to leave feedback for the
Sci Fi Channel. Tell them you'd love to have Enterprise on the Sci Fi
Channel. To email or write to the SCI-FI Channel use these:
pro...@www.scifi.com
The SCI FI Channel
1230 Ave. of the Americas
New York, NY 10020
Let's face it, programming these days is rotten. The quality shows
being made today can be counted on the fingers without even resorting
to a second hand, and they are tryinhg to get rid of one of the
better shows out there. For those of you who are Star Trek fans,
stand up and be counted, for once!! Let TPTB know we are not taking
this lying down!!
Cori
David Bilek
>Going slightly off-topic, but not by much. If the original "Star Trek"
>was not one of the best-known, most literate shows on television, I
>don't know what was, and now they're talking about canceling one of its
>noble progeny before a lot of us have even got to see it!
>
>This is a Call To Arms!
Thanks for the info. But what should we do if we wish to ensure that
Enterprise remains in the dustbin of history where it belongs?
-David
Michael Grosberg
Cori wrote:
> Going slightly off-topic, but not by much. If the original "Star
Trek"
> was not one of the best-known, most literate shows on television, I
> don't know what was, and now they're talking about canceling one of
its
> noble progeny before a lot of us have even got to see it!
Bastard inbred offspring is more like it.
I say good riddance.
Go watch Battlestar Galactica instead. The re-imagining is shaping up
to be the most intelligent, well produced, well-acted, emotionally
moving shows in the history of televised SF.
Joseph Nebus
>Cori wrote:
>> and now they're talking about canceling one of [ Star Trek ]'s
>> noble progeny before a lot of us have even got to see it!
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Bastard inbred offspring is more like it.
So Enterprise's problem is its Hapsburg chin?
--
Joseph Nebus
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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
get an infomercial. I've checked my settings twice, and it looks like
the local affiliate just isn't bothering to carry it.
I did see it last year when the local WB station was carrying it late nights.
I thought then, that with all the temporal manuvering going on, they had
a golden opportunity to move Enterprise onto an alternate timeline where
things were _not_ obligated to come out OK in the long-run. That would have
been more interesting. After all, we knew from TOS and following that
Earth was _not_ destroyed..
Ted
Taki Kogoma
allegedly declared to rec.arts.sf.written...
As I've been saying since the demise of DS9, P'mont needs to shelve
the entire Franchise for at least 5 years.
--
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Just an article detector on the Information Supercollider.
steve miller
wrotD:
>Going slightly off-topic, but not by much. If the original "Star Trek"
>was not one of the best-known, most literate shows on television, I
>don't know what was, and now they're talking about canceling one of its
>noble progeny before a lot of us have even got to see it!
>
>This is a Call To Arms!
OCN, let it go.
Let people read.
Steve
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--
Steve Coltrin
> We finally got a UPN station, but everytime I try to tape Enterprise, I
> get an infomercial.
You lucky bastard.
--
Steve Coltrin spco...@omcl.org FTSOJ
"A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
- Associated Press
Sean O'Hara
declared:
>
> I say good riddance.
>
> Go watch Battlestar Galactica instead. The re-imagining is shaping up
> to be the most intelligent, well produced, well-acted, emotionally
> moving shows in the history of televised SF.
>
Can you imagine going to a SF convention in 1980 and telling people
that in twenty-five years Star Trek would be considered inexecrable
dreck and Battlestar Galactica serious SF.
Some days I feel as though I've stepped into Bizarro World.
--
Sean O'Hara | http://diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com
Zapp Brannigan: If things don't work out iwth this pip-squeak here,
I just want you to know I'll be there to score you on the rebound.
-Futurama
Sean O'Hara
> But what should we do if we wish to ensure that
> Enterprise remains in the dustbin of history where it belongs?
>
Just keep doing what you've been doing -- don't watch. The rest
shall take care of itself.
--
Sean O'Hara | http://diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com
It's not a small world, it's a small bourgeois clique.
-Deborah Chinn
Mike Van Pelt
Michael Grosberg <preac...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I say good riddance.
[to Enterprise]
Oh, I don't know, much of the last season was decent
enough, and this season has actually been pretty good.
Too little, too late, I'm afraid, though, because the ratings
continue to drop. The first two seasons had a few decent
episodes, but were mostly mediocre to unspeakably rancid, so
too many people have given up on it.
It doesn't matter if it's the new Shakespeare, if nobody
watches, it's going away.
>Go watch Battlestar Galactica instead. The re-imagining is
>shaping up to be the most intelligent, well produced, well-acted,
>emotionally moving shows in the history of televised SF.
I am surprised how good this has been. It was Battlestar
Galactica: Strike One. It was a Skiffy Channel production.
Strike Two. But against all expectations, it's been really
good. We'll see if they can sustain the quality.
A lot of it is going to depend on whether they have an actual
plan for where the story is going to go, or if they're just
making it up as they go along. If the latter, it'll ultimately
bite them. (As it did "The X Files", eventually.)
Also, if they do have a plan, if the plan is good (I'd expect
so, based on how good the show is so far) and whether the suits
let the writers with that plan stay in charge, or decide to put
the people unemployed by the demise of "Andromeda" in charge.
Never underestimate the Power of the Stupid Side in Hollywood.
--
Yes, I am the last man to have walked on the moon, | Mike Van Pelt
and that's a very dubious and disappointing honor. | mvp.at.calweb.com
It's been far too long. -- Gene Cernan | KE6BVH
Sea Wasp
> Going slightly off-topic, but not by much. If the original "Star Trek"
> was not one of the best-known, most literate shows on television, I
> don't know what was, and now they're talking about canceling one of its
> noble progeny before a lot of us have even got to see it!
>
Enterprise was slightly better than V'Ger. That's not saying much.
You had several seasons to see it. You didn't miss much, alas. They
had everything going for them, and fumbled it, yet again.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/seawasp/
Aaron Davies
> I am surprised how good this has been. It was Battlestar
> Galactica: Strike One. It was a Skiffy Channel production.
> Strike Two. But against all expectations, it's been really
> good. We'll see if they can sustain the quality.
>
> A lot of it is going to depend on whether they have an actual
> plan for where the story is going to go, or if they're just
> making it up as they go along. If the latter, it'll ultimately
> bite them. (As it did "The X Files", eventually.)
>
> Also, if they do have a plan, if the plan is good (I'd expect
> so, based on how good the show is so far) and whether the suits
> let the writers with that plan stay in charge, or decide to put
> the people unemployed by the demise of "Andromeda" in charge.
_Andromeda_'s still running, and I actually like this season. Kinda
weird, but a nice change.
--
Aaron Davies
Opinions expressed are solely those of a random number generator.
"I don't know if it's real or not but it is a myth."
-Jami JoAnne of alt.folklore.urban, showing her grasp on reality.
John Schilling
>Going slightly off-topic, but not by much. If the original "Star Trek"
>was not one of the best-known, most literate shows on television, I
>don't know what was, and now they're talking about canceling one of its
>noble progeny before a lot of us have even got to see it!
>This is a Call To Arms!
In the sense that the dreaded foe of all that is good and decent in the
realm of science fiction has stumbled, is momentarily vulnerable, and if
enough of us join in for the kill we might be able to put an end to it
for all time? Sounds good to me.
_Enterprise_ is the progeny of the original _Star Trek_ in about the same
way that the monster was the progeny of Frankenstein. And you posted your
call to arms to three newsgroups specifically devoted to *books*. Even
children who read books, have better taste than this.
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rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org
Sea Wasp wrote:
> Cori wrote:
> > Going slightly off-topic, but not by much. If the original "Star
Trek"
> > was not one of the best-known, most literate shows on television, I
> > don't know what was, and now they're talking about canceling one of
its
> > noble progeny before a lot of us have even got to see it!
> >
>
> Enterprise was slightly better than V'Ger. That's not saying much.
> You had several seasons to see it. You didn't miss much, alas. They
> had everything going for them, and fumbled it, yet again
"Slightly Better than Voyager"? As a person who got sucked into Voyager
on syndication, (which may make me forgive it's rather dull beginning)
I find that a hard statement for anyone to justify. HOW was it better,
even slightly? Were the characters more likeable? Were the sets more
colorful, more visually interesting? Was it more thoughtful? Was the
plotting more eventful? No, No, No, and No. Unless you think otherwise,
for some wierd reason.
John H
<rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
news:1107920829....@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Sea Wasp wrote:
>> Cori wrote:
>> > Going slightly off-topic, but not by much. If the original "Star
> Trek"
>> > was not one of the best-known, most literate shows on television, I
>> > don't know what was, and now they're talking about canceling one of
> its
>> > noble progeny before a lot of us have even got to see it!
>> >
>>
>> Enterprise was slightly better than V'Ger. That's not saying much.
>> You had several seasons to see it. You didn't miss much, alas. They
>> had everything going for them, and fumbled it, yet again
>
> "Slightly Better than Voyager"? As a person who got sucked into Voyager
> on syndication, (which may make me forgive it's rather dull beginning)
> I find that a hard statement for anyone to justify.
I have to agree with you. From the few episodes that I saw of Enterprise,
I'm surprised it lasted this long. Once they started fucking around with
the timeline, I just said to myself, OK, they've fucked it up, buhbye. The
whole point about watching Enterprise for me was finding out how Earth
formed the Federation, not seeing Earth in a trekkie "What If" scenario. At
that point, it was just a colossal waste of my time... I could put up with
mediocre drama and plotting, but why bother when it won't even pay off in
answering trekkie questions.
john
Jason Maxwell
news:42096FCC...@sgeobviousinc.com...
> Enterprise was slightly better than V'Ger. That's not saying much.
>
"Damming with faint praise"
Jason
Cori
Cori
much.
You had several seasons to see it. You didn't miss much, alas. They
had everything going for them, and fumbled it, yet again.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Actually, I never saw it as the channel was never available in my area.
I just hoped that by stirring up some interest it might be shown
somewhere that I might actually get to see it. Everyone who's posted
here so far has made that sound not terribly worthwhile.
Cori
Sea Wasp
> Sea Wasp wrote:
>
>>Cori wrote:
>>
>>>Going slightly off-topic, but not by much. If the original "Star
>>
> Trek"
>
>>>was not one of the best-known, most literate shows on television, I
>>>don't know what was, and now they're talking about canceling one of
>>
> its
>
>>>noble progeny before a lot of us have even got to see it!
>>>
>>
>> Enterprise was slightly better than V'Ger. That's not saying much.
>>You had several seasons to see it. You didn't miss much, alas. They
>>had everything going for them, and fumbled it, yet again
>
>
> "Slightly Better than Voyager"? As a person who got sucked into Voyager
> on syndication, (which may make me forgive it's rather dull beginning)
> I find that a hard statement for anyone to justify. HOW was it better,
> even slightly? Were the characters more likeable?
Damn straight.
Were the sets more
> colorful, more visually interesting?
About even. More interesting at first, certainly, as they looked
somewhat different than the standard NewTrek Shiny Stuff.
Was it more thoughtful? Was the
> plotting more eventful?
It was OBVIOUSLY more thoughtful, as a lobotomized weasel in a coma
would be more thoughtful than Voyager.
I have found that the pilot episodes for all NewTrek have given me
all I need to know about the series. NextGen: Good actors overall and
some nice tries but some bad concepts. Overall, watchable if nothing
else is on. DS9: A new concept (for Trek) and good actors combining to
make something a cut above its predecessor. Worth watching once in a
while. Voyager: idiocy piled atop idiocy until my jaw was lying on the
floor; only worth watching to heckle late at night. Not even really
significant acting. Enterprise: Some decent acting, not up to
DS9/NextGen, some nice ideas, and some howling boners. Basically not
worth watching, and not quite bad enough to amuse oneself heckling
because it COULD have been something quite good.
Sea Wasp
>
> Actually, I never saw it as the channel was never available in my area.
> I just hoped that by stirring up some interest it might be shown
> somewhere that I might actually get to see it. Everyone who's posted
> here so far has made that sound not terribly worthwhile.
It has its fans. But so did Voyager. And just about every other show
ever made.
If you want to see it, though, I'm sure it'll come out on DVD (if
it's not already) and you can rent it and see if it's worth your time.
Ted Nolan
Sea Wasp <seaobvi...@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
>significant acting. Enterprise: Some decent acting, not up to
>DS9/NextGen, some nice ideas, and some howling boners.
Hoshi or T'Pol? :-)
Ted
Sea Wasp
I am ignoring that comment. We will not drop this conversation any
lower. I hope.
Beeblebear
"Cori" <cmashiel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Cori
So, the only person in this thread who wants ENT to continue, is the OP who
has not seen any of it.
OK
--
--
Chris Lyth (clyt...@ifis.org.uk - shoot the president to reply)
Electrical Engineers do it with less resistance.
rrh...@acme.com
Cori wrote:
> ? ? ? ? Enterprise was slightly better than V'Ger. That's not saying
> much.
> You had several seasons to see it. You didn't miss much, alas. They
> had everything going for them, and fumbled it, yet again.
>
> --
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? /^\
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ;;; ? ?
>
> Actually, I never saw it as the channel was never available in my
area.
> I just hoped that by stirring up some interest it might be shown
> somewhere that I might actually get to see it. Everyone who's posted
> here so far has made that sound not terribly worthwhile.
>
high expectations. About midway through the first season that had been
beaten down into sullen indifference. I don't generally rant about it
because I'm not one of those guys who are offended that a show I don't
like is on. But when it gets cancelled I will barely be aware of it,
because at this point I am barely aware of its being on at all. But it
will undoubtedly be available on DVD, so you will get your chance to
form your own opinion, albeit after the fact.
Richard R. Hershberger
Wayne Throop
: My two cents is that I went into Enterprise with high hopes, if not
: high expectations. About midway through the first season that had been
: beaten down into sullen indifference. I don't generally rant about it
: because I'm not one of those guys who are offended that a show I don't
: like is on. But when it gets cancelled I will barely be aware of it,
: because at this point I am barely aware of its being on at all. But it
: will undoubtedly be available on DVD, so you will get your chance to
: form your own opinion, albeit after the fact.
FWIW, and given I've only seen fragments of a handful of episodes,
the more recent ones seem less painful than the less recent ones.
Some have almost tempted me to watch the rest of the way through
when I encounter them while watching the channel-flip station.
Almost. FWIW.
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Pete McCutchen
<seaobvi...@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
>Cori wrote:
>
>>
>> Actually, I never saw it as the channel was never available in my area.
>> I just hoped that by stirring up some interest it might be shown
>> somewhere that I might actually get to see it. Everyone who's posted
>> here so far has made that sound not terribly worthwhile.
>
> It has its fans. But so did Voyager. And just about every other show
>ever made.
Yes. For example, I liked the show "Cop Rock."
--
Pete McCutchen
Mike Schilling
"Pete McCutchen" <p.mcc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:apgj01l4bdv77g83h...@4ax.com...
I loved "EZ Streets", as did amost everyone else I know who used to watch
it, all five of us.
Sean O'Hara
>
> Enterprise was slightly better than V'Ger. That's not saying much.
>
doesn't suck as much, but it's utterly forgettable.
--
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I have to march because my mother could not have an abortion.
-Maxine Waters
Sean O'Hara
declared:
I have the first season of /Sledge Hammer!/ on DVD.
--
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"Trust me, I know what I'm doing."--
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Batman: They may be drinkers, Robin, but they're still human beings.
-Batman the Movie
John Schilling
Hoshi *and* T'Pol. In the decontamination chamber.
Erotica or porn?
Craig Richardson
wrote:
>In the Year of the Monkey, the Great and Powerful Sea Wasp declared:
>>
>> Enterprise was slightly better than V'Ger. That's not saying much.
>>
>That's the problem. Voyager was at least memorably bad. Enterprise
>doesn't suck as much, but it's utterly forgettable.
And, from what little I've seen from Enterprise, it was fairly
reliably mediocre (on a relative scale). Voyager was often laughably
bad, but there are one or two episodes that I'd put with the likes of
TNG's "Enterprise Incident" or "Cause and Effect" - episodes that can
play with the best of TOS. I'd be surprised if anything from
Enterprise was in that league.
--Craig
--
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with the season. "My social skills are nil, a rum-pa-pum-pum."
"Did that actually rhyme?" asked Tuck. -- Christopher Moore,
"He's a bright guy," said Theo. _The Stupidest Angel_
Walter Bushell
Sean O'Hara <sean...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the Year of the Monkey, the Great and Powerful Mike Schilling
> declared:
> > "Pete McCutchen" <p.mcc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:apgj01l4bdv77g83h...@4ax.com...
> >
> >>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:10:13 GMT, Sea Wasp
> >><seaobvi...@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>It has its fans. But so did Voyager. And just about every other show
> >>>ever made.
> >>
> >>Yes. For example, I liked the show "Cop Rock."
> >
> > I loved "EZ Streets", as did amost everyone else I know who used to watch
> > it, all five of us.
> >
>
> I have the first season of /Sledge Hammer!/ on DVD.
Any series that ends with the protagonist setting off an atomic bomb
cannot be all bad.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
Craig Richardson
wrote:
>In the Year of the Monkey, the Great and Powerful Mike Schilling
>declared:
>> "Pete McCutchen" <p.mcc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:apgj01l4bdv77g83h...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:10:13 GMT, Sea Wasp
>>><seaobvi...@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>It has its fans. But so did Voyager. And just about every other show
>>>>ever made.
>>>
>>>Yes. For example, I liked the show "Cop Rock."
>>
>> I loved "EZ Streets", as did amost everyone else I know who used to watch
>> it, all five of us.
>>
>I have the first season of /Sledge Hammer!/ on DVD.
I'm still pissed that I failed to tape one episode of "Flying
Blind"[1], which even in two seasons didn't make enough episodes for
syndication, and thus will never even make it to DVD.
It was better than "Herman's Head", which was its lead-in.
--Craig
[1] Young Wonder-Nebbish Corey Parker, living with his parents in the
suburbs, working for the same snack-food company as his father (thanks
solely to nepotism), meets Uptown Girl Tea Leoni, who has such
unconscious sex appeal that men will go to any lengths to impress her
(seemingly especially when she doesn't want them to). Thanks to
Sitcom Fiat, she falls in love with him, too. Culture clash. Hijinks
ensue. They don't fight crime, but if they'd been renewed for a third
season, I wouldn't put it past the writers... Snappy, witty dialogue
and a great attitude - the full knowledge that they weren't making
Great Art liberated them in a way that, say, "Party of Five" never
managed.
Ian Galbraith
<mscotts...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Pete McCutchen" <p.mcc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:apgj01l4bdv77g83h...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:10:13 GMT, Sea Wasp
>> <seaobvi...@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
[snip]
>>> It has its fans. But so did Voyager. And just about every other show
>>>ever made.
>> Yes. For example, I liked the show "Cop Rock."
>I loved "EZ Streets", as did amost everyone else I know who used to watch
>it, all five of us.
Yeah but EZ Streets is an example of a show that was actually good.
Dave Goldman
<crichar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I'd be surprised if anything from Enterprise was in that league.
Actually, last season contained a number of episodes that good. And the
season as a whole (with one or two exceptions, it was one continuous story
arc) was very good. The writers managed to come up with some very high
stakes, and they even found a way to take the Enterprise to a brand new
locale where no ST viewer had ever gone before.
Right now, they're booting up the Federation (plus its eventual war with
the Romulans) in a surprisingly non-bogus fashion.
So while I have no great regrets regarding Enterprise's demise, for me the
series has not been the complete flop that I would have predicted from its
first season. I'm going to watch the remaining episodes out of real
curiosity as to what the writers come up with (unlike Voyager, whose final
season I watched only because I don't like leaving jobs unfinished).
- Dave Goldman
Portland, OR
Mike Schilling
"Ian Galbraith" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Well, you know that, and I know it, and a few dozen other people too. Not
enough, thiugh.
Come to think of it, it could have been a successful HBO series if they'd
just said "fuck" more.
Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y
IIRC that wasn't actually the end of the series; the next season was
"five years earlier".
I liked it.
--
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John H
"Walter Bushell" <pr...@panix.com> wrote in message
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>
> Any series that ends with the protagonist setting off an atomic bomb
> cannot be all bad.
Remember that time they turned him into a cyborg, ala Robocop? "Call me
Hammerroid!"
That show rocked.
john
Taki Kogoma
<crichar...@worldnet.att.net> allegedly declared to rec.arts.sf.written...
>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:53:40 -0500, Sean O'Hara <sean...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>In the Year of the Monkey, the Great and Powerful Sea Wasp declared:
>>> Enterprise was slightly better than V'Ger. That's not saying much.
>>
>>That's the problem. Voyager was at least memorably bad. Enterprise
>>doesn't suck as much, but it's utterly forgettable.
>
>And, from what little I've seen from Enterprise, it was fairly
>reliably mediocre (on a relative scale). Voyager was often laughably
>bad, but there are one or two episodes that I'd put with the likes of
>TNG's "Enterprise Incident" or "Cause and Effect" - episodes that can
>play with the best of TOS.
Nit-Pick: "The Enterprise Incident" is a 3rd season TOS episode where
Kirk gets plastic surgery to help him steal a cloaking device.
Perhaps you mean the 3rd season TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise"
which, while among the best hours of Trek ever produced, led to an
unfortnate plot device (Sela) in later seasons.
Gym "*How* do I flush my cache of this useless data?" Quirk
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Robert Hutchinson
> Ted Nolan writes:
> > Sea Wasp wrote:
> >>significant acting. Enterprise: Some decent acting, not up to
> >>DS9/NextGen, some nice ideas, and some howling boners.
>
> >Hoshi or T'Pol? :-)
>
> Hoshi *and* T'Pol. In the decontamination chamber.
>
> Erotica or porn?
ObCurrentRASFW: Allegory.
ObRecentRASFW: Metaphor.
--
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| thing-we-didn't-know-what-it-was was put into
| the helicopter by the guy we didn't know."
| -- Servo, MST3K, 810, Giant Spider Invasion
Keith Morrison
>>>significant acting. Enterprise: Some decent acting, not up to
>>>DS9/NextGen, some nice ideas, and some howling boners.
>
>>Hoshi or T'Pol? :-)
>
>
> Hoshi *and* T'Pol. In the decontamination chamber.
>
> Erotica or porn?
Is a guy watching on the monitor? Then porn.
--
Keith
yukon jack
<schi...@spock.usc.edu> wrote:
> t...@brookside.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan) writes:
>
> >In article <4209A889...@sgeobviousinc.com>,
> >Sea Wasp <seaobvi...@sgeobviousinc.com> wrote:
> >>significant acting. Enterprise: Some decent acting, not up to
> >>DS9/NextGen, some nice ideas, and some howling boners.
>
> >Hoshi or T'Pol? :-)
>
> Hoshi *and* T'Pol. In the decontamination chamber.
>
> Erotica or porn?
Erotica for sure. Same as the time a bra-less Hoshi had to drop from
one level to another, and (if you recorded on DVD and used
super-slo-mo) where you could see what was under her top when it caught
on something as she dropped down. Forgot the episode but it was at
least two years ago.
aRJay
writes
>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:46:10 -0800, Craig Richardson
><crichar...@worldnet.att.net> allegedly declared to rec.arts.sf.written...
>>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:53:40 -0500, Sean O'Hara <sean...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>In the Year of the Monkey, the Great and Powerful Sea Wasp declared:
>>>> Enterprise was slightly better than V'Ger. That's not saying much.
>>>
>>>That's the problem. Voyager was at least memorably bad. Enterprise
>>>doesn't suck as much, but it's utterly forgettable.
>>
>>And, from what little I've seen from Enterprise, it was fairly
>>reliably mediocre (on a relative scale). Voyager was often laughably
>>bad, but there are one or two episodes that I'd put with the likes of
>>TNG's "Enterprise Incident" or "Cause and Effect" - episodes that can
>>play with the best of TOS.
>
>Nit-Pick: "The Enterprise Incident" is a 3rd season TOS episode where
>Kirk gets plastic surgery to help him steal a cloaking device.
>
>Perhaps you mean the 3rd season TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise"
>which, while among the best hours of Trek ever produced, led to an
>unfortnate plot device (Sela) in later seasons.
>
>Gym "*How* do I flush my cache of this useless data?" Quirk
>
and Future Starship" which was very good.
--
aRJay
"In this great and creatorless universe, where so much beautiful has
come to be out of the chance interactions of the basic properties of
matter, it seems so important that we love one another."
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Karl Johanson
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> In the Year of the Monkey, the Great and Powerful Sea Wasp declared:
>>
>> Enterprise was slightly better than V'Ger. That's not saying
>> much.
> That's the problem. Voyager was at least memorably bad.
Pretty hard to forget Jainway heading to stop a warp core breach and
stopping on the way to fix her hair.
Karl Johanson
Sea Wasp
I would say "you're kidding!" but this IS Voyager you're talking
about...
Robert Hutchinson
> Karl Johanson wrote:
> > Sean O'Hara wrote ...
> >>In the Year of the Monkey, the Great and Powerful Sea Wasp declared:
> >>> Enterprise was slightly better than V'Ger. That's not saying
> >>>much.
> >>
> >>That's the problem. Voyager was at least memorably bad.
> >
> > Pretty hard to forget Jainway heading to stop a warp core breach and
> > stopping on the way to fix her hair.
>
> I would say "you're kidding!" but this IS Voyager you're talking
> about...
If I'm thinking of what Karl was thinking of, it's not *that* bad. From
the pilot: Janeway, hair out of place, is called down to Engineering to
prevent a warp core breach. Cut to Janeway in Engineering a couple of
minutes later with hair in place. You know how those turbolifts are--an
elevator would be faster.
--
Joann Evans
> Here's some good news at least, the series "Star Trek Enterprise" is
> said to be coming out on DVD in May.
I figured that would be soon...
> But its fans are in a big fight
> to keep it on the air, if not on UPN, then maybe Sci-Fi or USA. One
> reason fans are so angry at UPN is that for some people (count yours
> truly in here) this show is hard or impossible to get and then they
> give the excuse that the ratings are down. Well, of course the
> ratings are down, they don't broadcast everywhere. The other thing is
> if you have a satellite system you are not counted in the ratings
> either.
Agreed. To get it on broadcast here (Rochester, NY), you have to tune
in one of those low-power UHF stations. It took a lot to get Time Warner
to finally carry it, a few years back.
But...
> Anybody who is a fan or who just wants to help, please do so. Go to
> www.saveourenterprise.com , www.EnterpriseProj.org or
> www.startrekfans.com and find out how you can help save this show. If
> you're a member of StarTrek.com go to the message boards, click on
> Enterprise and leave feedback there.
This isn't like the movement to save the original Trek, though. In
this case, the producers of the show and the network, are the *same.*
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Unfortunately, mostl, I lost interest in the the Star Trek series
a while back.
Only a couple of the ST:TNG were worth watching more than once.
(for some strange reason they were all "time travel" type episodes ...
I'm not sure why that was ... maybe time-travel paradox is just
"easy" for the writers).
The main reason why the new Star Trek shows never worked for me,
was they got into a "soap opera" mode, and stopped having much
interesting "science fiction".
I'm not sure if "soap opera" is the right word here;
but very very few of the new episodes ever seem memorable.
Then they'd always have the "double" storyline thing, which
kind of bugged me, that is, two stories in one show, i.e.:
Main Story: captain saves the universe by keeping stopping
a galaxic war (after only a few billion are killed).
Secondary Story: Data goes on his first date with a real women.
I could tell they were getting despirate, when it seems like
half the time the show's climax would be somebody trying to
pry a door or hatch open, before "time runs out":
(the bomb goes off, or somebody runs out of oxygen.
Or the bomb goes off while somebody is about to run out of oxygen.
And while you are watching them sweat hard trying to move
the door or unbolt the hatch, they'd be playing the music
that's supposed to signify that "this is the climax".
Maybe there isn't anymore creative interesting sci-fi to be
had anymore.
scott...@yahoo.com
>kind of bugged me, that is, two stories in one show, i.e.:
>Main Story: captain saves the universe by keeping stopping
>a galaxic war (after only a few billion are killed).
>Secondary Story: Data goes on his first date with a real women.
That's a commen television writing device.
More annoying is the fact that Data's first date with a real woman is
destined to end with the status quo reset by the end of the episode.
Bob
> Data goes on his first date with a real women.
Wouldn't that be like the woman dating a dildo?
Chew Me
What every man wishes he could be, no?
"Bob" <SPAMBAD...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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bee...@gmail.com
Diane L. Schirf wrote:
> In article <1108502955.8...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,> I can name dozens off the top of my head that are well worth watching
> many times.
I can only think of one or two which I've spend
watching more than twice.
One that I'd like to see again, because I've only seen once,
was the episode where they accidentally go through somekind
of wormhole and go into an alternate universe where they are
at war with the klingons (the one where that security officer
women turned out to be still alive ... Yar?). That was
kind of an interesting episode, but since I've only seen it
once, I can't remember to much of it. But I don't feel
like wasting my time re-watching all the rest of the bad episodes
on late night tv, waiting for it to come around.
One of these days maybe I'll get around to renting it or something.
The other episode which I found very enjoyable, which I can
watch over and over, is the very last one.
If that one had been released as a movie in theaters,
it would have done better than some of the other ST:TNG movies.
JW
bee...@gmail.com
Yes, in the case of Enterprise, every other episode or so.
Which is why its getting the ax.
JW
Robert Hutchinson
> many times.
Ehh. I can name dozens that I wouldn't mind catching on TV. "Well worth
watching many times" would probably limit me to ten, at best. If I have
to mention one . . . "The Inner Light".
Keith Morrison
>>>Only a couple of the ST:TNG were worth watching more than once.
>>
>>I can name dozens off the top of my head that are well worth watching
>>many times.
>
> Ehh. I can name dozens that I wouldn't mind catching on TV. "Well worth
> watching many times" would probably limit me to ten, at best. If I have
> to mention one . . . "The Inner Light".
My top 10 (in no particular order)
The Inner Light
Best of Both Worlds
Family
Yesterday's Enterprise
Chain of Command (although Riker should have been spaced)
All Good Things
Sins of the Father
Ethics
Lower Decks (because they didn't cop out and have the character
found alive)
The First Duty (in which Wesley's true nature as a rat is revealed)
--
Keith
Tellmeaboutit
DS9. Maybe that's the history buff in me. STTNG got tiring with all the
holodeck oriented plots, not to mention data's ongoing struggle with what it
means to be human and Troy and Riker's fling. Too much like a soap opera,
not enough adventure, and I never liked Picard, ever. Voyager was ok at
first, but I lost interest before the end of the 1st season due to Janeway's
overdone femininity and sensitive-yet-strong cliched character. Maybe her
character matured in later seasons, I don't know. I also missed the whole
Seven of Nine introduction, but caught a few latter day episodes with the
purpose of checking her out. I liked DS9 as well, early on - I liked the
Cardassians and the mysticism of the Bajorans, but in later seasons it
started getting more juvenile in my opinion, similar to what happened to
STTNG.
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Sean O'Hara
declared:
> Robert Hutchinson wrote:
>
>> Ehh. I can name dozens that I wouldn't mind catching on TV. "Well
>> worth watching many times" would probably limit me to ten, at best. If
>> I have to mention one . . . "The Inner Light".
>
>
> My top 10 (in no particular order)
>
> The Inner Light
> Best of Both Worlds
> Family
> Yesterday's Enterprise
> Chain of Command (although Riker should have been spaced)
> All Good Things
> Sins of the Father
> Ethics
> Lower Decks (because they didn't cop out and have the character
> found alive)
> The First Duty (in which Wesley's true nature as a rat is revealed)
>
Interesting that most of those are from the third and fourth season.
I think "Sins of the Father" (that's the one that introduced Worf's
brother and the backstory of the Khitomer Massacre, right?) is the
only episode from the first two seasons, and "All Good Things" the
only one from the last two.
The only one I'd add to the list would be "The Defector", the
episode with the Romulan general, well, defecting, and Picard
quoting /Henry V/ non-stop. But for a series that was on for seven
seasons, it didn't produce that many stand-out shows, not even as
many as the first season of TOS. Certainly not enough to interest me
in buying it on DVD, at least not at the current price, which is
twice that of Buffy/Angel/24.
--
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Stormy: So, say I put my brain in a robot body and there's a war.
Robots versus humans. What side am I on?
-Sealab 2021
Keith Morrison
>> My top 10 (in no particular order)
>>
>> The Inner Light
>> Best of Both Worlds
>> Family
>> Yesterday's Enterprise
>> Chain of Command (although Riker should have been spaced)
>> All Good Things
>> Sins of the Father
>> Ethics
>> Lower Decks (because they didn't cop out and have the character
>> found alive)
>> The First Duty (in which Wesley's true nature as a rat is revealed)
>
> Interesting that most of those are from the third and fourth season. I
> think "Sins of the Father" (that's the one that introduced Worf's
> brother and the backstory of the Khitomer Massacre, right?) is the only
> episode from the first two seasons, and "All Good Things" the only one
> from the last two.
"Lower Decks" was from the last (or second last, I forget) season.
"Sins of the Father" started off the Worf arc that continued on through
DS9. Klingons had appeared before, but this was the first episode that
added some political depth to them and started revealing that Worf was
more the ideal Klingon, even have been raised by humans, than the rest
of the bunch were.
--
Keith
Robert Hutchinson
> Sean O'Hara wrote:
> >> My top 10 (in no particular order)
> >>
> >> The Inner Light
> >> Best of Both Worlds
> >> Family
> >> Yesterday's Enterprise
> >> Chain of Command (although Riker should have been spaced)
> >> All Good Things
> >> Sins of the Father
> >> Ethics
> >> Lower Decks (because they didn't cop out and have the character
> >> found alive)
> >> The First Duty (in which Wesley's true nature as a rat is revealed)
> >
> > Interesting that most of those are from the third and fourth season. I
> > think "Sins of the Father" (that's the one that introduced Worf's
> > brother and the backstory of the Khitomer Massacre, right?) is the only
> > episode from the first two seasons, and "All Good Things" the only one
> > from the last two.
>
> "Lower Decks" was from the last (or second last, I forget) season.
Last. And "Chain of Command" was in the sixth.
Christopher Adams
>
> One that I'd like to see again, because I've only seen once,
> was the episode where they accidentally go through somekind
> of wormhole and go into an alternate universe where they are
> at war with the klingons (the one where that security officer
> women turned out to be still alive ... Yar?).
"Yesterday's Enterprise". I've never seen it, but I want to - I just always seem
to miss the reruns. However, I can relate the premise:
One of the defining moments in Federation history that paved the way for the
easing of relations with the Klingon Empire was the intercession of the USS
Enterprise-C (captained by Rachel Garrett) to save a Klingon ship under heavy
fire from multiple Romulan Warbirds. However, in the events of this episode, the
Enterprise-C was somehow thrown forward in time to the era of the Enterprise-D
during the battle, and the result was a universe where the Klingon Empire
continued very much along the path implied by the original series. The
Enterprise-D was a militarised, paranoid vessel, Tasha Yar had never been
killed, and everyone carried sidearms. This Enterprise finds its predecessor
badly damaged, adrift in space, and comes to the rescue.
Only Guinan, being a member of an alien race known for such things, could detect
that things were different. Her seemingly crazy hints of how it "should" be lead
everyone to figure out what happened, and Tasha Yar makes the decision to go
back with the Enterprise-C - that ship being short a bridge officer since
Captain Garrett had died - since she "should" be dead anyway.
There's another excellent multiverse storyline later, where Worf encounters an
anomaly which sends him jumping between universes - some in which he is married
to Counselor Troi, for instance, and one nightmarish one in which a captured
Jean-Luc Picard, as Locutus, had led the Borg to victory over the Federation,
with the battered Enterprise-D commanded by a haggard Riker willing to destroy
every instance of the ship caught in the anomaly rather than be sent back to
their own universe.
--
Christopher Adams - Sydney, Australia
What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you
understand?
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/prestigeclasslist.html
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/templatelist.html
I'm standing at the altar as they play the wedding march
I'm in a black tuxedo with my collar full of starch
She looks as lovely as she's ever gonna get
I wake up from this nightmare in a pool of sweat
Aaron Davies
> There's another excellent multiverse storyline later, where Worf
> encounters an anomaly which sends him jumping between universes - some in
> which he is married to Counselor Troi, for instance, and one nightmarish
> one in which a captured Jean-Luc Picard, as Locutus, had led the Borg to
> victory over the Federation, with the battered Enterprise-D commanded by a
> haggard Riker willing to destroy every instance of the ship caught in the
> anomaly rather than be sent back to their own universe.
One of the things I was hoping to see in _Enterprise_ was the departure
point for the Mirror Universe. It's been implied before, IIRC, that it
was some time around when humans first met Vulcans, so it could, with a
bit of a stretch, be during Enterprise.
It still could be, if there were going to be more of the series.
Suppose, say, Earth had come out the Xindi affair, or the upcoming
Romulan War, as raging xenophobes bent on galactic conquest? That could
easily have led to the Imperial Federation of the Mirror Universe.
--
Aaron Davies
Opinions expressed are solely those of a random number generator.
"I don't know if it's real or not but it is a myth."
-Jami JoAnne of alt.folklore.urban, showing her grasp on reality.
Keith Morrison
> There's another excellent multiverse storyline later, where Worf encounters an
> anomaly which sends him jumping between universes - some in which he is married
> to Counselor Troi, for instance, and one nightmarish one in which a captured
> Jean-Luc Picard, as Locutus, had led the Borg to victory over the Federation,
> with the battered Enterprise-D commanded by a haggard Riker willing to destroy
> every instance of the ship caught in the anomaly rather than be sent back to
> their own universe.
The episode best known for the line (as parallel Enterprises start
popping into existence) "Captain, I'm receiving 356,000 hails."
--
Keith
Christopher Adams
>
> One of the things I was hoping to see in _Enterprise_ was the departure
> point for the Mirror Universe. It's been implied before, IIRC, that it
> was some time around when humans first met Vulcans, so it could, with a
> bit of a stretch, be during Enterprise.
>
> It still could be, if there were going to be more of the series.
What's left of the series is enough for "Enterprise" to cover the Mirror
Universe. Unfortunately, all hints suggest that the Empire is an established
fact when they do the crossover.
Diane Duane wrote a Next Generation novel called "Dark Mirror" wherein Imperial
experiments suck "our" Enterprise-D into the Mirror Universe, which I thought
was fairly good stuff. In that, Picard has the opportunity to look through his
counterpart's cabin, and flicks through his collection of ancient Earth
literature - the mirror version of Portia's "The quality of mercy is not
strained" speech from "The Merchant of Venice" is quite different, and at first
Picard thinks that the Iliad is unchanged - until he gets to the bit where Priam
begs Achilles for Hector's body, and Achilles sneeringly strikes him down.
David Kirby
> What's left of the series is enough for "Enterprise" to cover the Mirror
> Universe. Unfortunately, all hints suggest that the Empire is an established
> fact when they do the crossover.
Not quite *all* hints. According to Trek Today
(http://www.trektoday.com/news/080105_01.shtml), the Enterprise episode
starts when the Vulcans first land on Earth and
> [a]s the Vulcan ship lands and Zephram Cochrane prepares to
> greet the off-worlders, a somewhat disgruntled mob begins to
> mass in the area. When the ship's captain steps out and greets
> the humans with the immortal words, "Live long and prosper", one
> of members of the crowd produces his weapon and incites the
> others to attack the Vulcans. They rush together in a mob,
> overwhelming the stoic Vulcans with their show of brute force,
> and changing the course of human history forever.
I've never like the Mirror Universe, but this episode could be good.
-- David
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Christopher Adams
> Christopher Adams wrote:
>
>> What's left of the series is enough for "Enterprise" to cover the Mirror
>> Universe. Unfortunately, all hints suggest that the Empire is an
>> established fact when they do the crossover.
>
> Not quite *all* hints. According to Trek Today
> (http://www.trektoday.com/news/080105_01.shtml), the Enterprise episode
> starts when the Vulcans first land on Earth and
>
> > [a]s the Vulcan ship lands and Zephram Cochrane prepares to
> > greet the off-worlders, a somewhat disgruntled mob begins to
> > mass in the area. When the ship's captain steps out and greets
> > the humans with the immortal words, "Live long and prosper", one
> > of members of the crowd produces his weapon and incites the
> > others to attack the Vulcans. They rush together in a mob,
> > overwhelming the stoic Vulcans with their show of brute force,
> > and changing the course of human history forever.
>
> I've never like the Mirror Universe, but this episode could be good.
What the *Hell* were Picard and co. doing while all this went on? ;)
Danny Sichel
> Diane Duane wrote a Next Generation novel called "Dark Mirror" wherein Imperial
> experiments suck "our" Enterprise-D into the Mirror Universe, which I thought
> was fairly good stuff. In that, Picard has the opportunity to look through his
> counterpart's cabin, and flicks through his collection of ancient Earth
> literature - the mirror version of Portia's "The quality of mercy is not
> strained" speech from "The Merchant of Venice" is quite different, and at first
> Picard thinks that the Iliad is unchanged - until he gets to the bit where Priam
> begs Achilles for Hector's body, and Achilles sneeringly strikes him down.
Oh yes. And despite everything that he's been through, Picard was afraid
to look in the Mirror Universe's version of the Bible.
William December Starr
"Christopher Adams" <mhacde...@yahoo.invalid> said:
[ scenario suggesting how the "Mirror Mirror" divergence
occurred at the scene in "First Contact" when the Vulcans
landed to greet Cochrane ]
> What the *Hell* were Picard and co. doing while all this went on?
> ;)
Doing the Bugout Boogie in the 24th century, having examined the
situation as the Borgfleet approached Earth and decided that there
was no reason for them to get killed along with the rest of Earth.
(They're *evil*, remember?)
--
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
Peter Bruells
> Doing the Bugout Boogie in the 24th century, having examined the
> situation as the Borgfleet approached Earth and decided that there
> was no reason for them to get killed along with the rest of Earth.
> (They're *evil*, remember?)
That why Picard didn't countermand Starfleet's order to use Hugh as a
virus carrier, but proposed the scheme itself, had it implemented and
got all of Risa as his own pleasure garden as a reward. Plus Troi AND
Dr. Crusher.