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James Nicoll

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Nov 19, 2009, 12:08:13 PM11/19/09
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Niven's first published story "The Coldest Place" came out
in 1964, which means it is equidistant in time between now and the end
of World War One.

Also, most of Heinlein's juveniles are closer in time to Einstein
formulating the theory of relativity than they are to us.

Anything written in or prior to 1977 (Fred Pohl's Gateway,
say, or Niven's A World Out of Time) is as close or closer to the end
of World War Two than it is to us.

Andre Norton's first novel is equidistant between us and the
publication of Darwin's Origin of Species.
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Joe Pfeiffer

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Nov 19, 2009, 1:08:51 PM11/19/09
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jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:

> Niven's first published story "The Coldest Place" came out
> in 1964, which means it is equidistant in time between now and the end
> of World War One.
>
> Also, most of Heinlein's juveniles are closer in time to Einstein
> formulating the theory of relativity than they are to us.
>
> Anything written in or prior to 1977 (Fred Pohl's Gateway,
> say, or Niven's A World Out of Time) is as close or closer to the end
> of World War Two than it is to us.
>
> Andre Norton's first novel is equidistant between us and the
> publication of Darwin's Origin of Species.

Get me my walker so I can chase those kids off my lawn!
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David Cowie

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Nov 19, 2009, 5:04:54 PM11/19/09
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On Nov 19, 5:08 pm, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

>         Anything written in or prior to 1977 (Fred Pohl's Gateway,
> say, or Niven's A World Out of Time) is as close or closer to the end
> of World War Two than it is to us.

I was born in the early 1960s, so most of my childhood is closer to
WW2 than it it to now.
It amuses me that the birth of Punk Rock is closer to WW2 than it is
to now.

Dorothy J Heydt

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Nov 19, 2009, 5:33:51 PM11/19/09
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In article <1753d267-f398-4f5b...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,

David Cowie <david...@lineone.net> wrote:
>On Nov 19, 5:08�pm, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>> � � � � Anything written in or prior to 1977 (Fred Pohl's Gateway,
>> say, or Niven's A World Out of Time) is as close or closer to the end
>> of World War Two than it is to us.
>
>I was born in the early 1960s, so most of my childhood is closer to
>WW2 than it it to now.

I was born *during* World War Two. This means ... I dunno, what
does it mean?

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Szymon Sokół

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Nov 19, 2009, 6:25:41 PM11/19/09
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:33:51 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

> In article <1753d267-f398-4f5b...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
> David Cowie <david...@lineone.net> wrote:
>>On Nov 19, 5:08 pm, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>>
>>>         Anything written in or prior to 1977 (Fred Pohl's Gateway,
>>> say, or Niven's A World Out of Time) is as close or closer to the end
>>> of World War Two than it is to us.
>>
>>I was born in the early 1960s, so most of my childhood is closer to
>>WW2 than it it to now.
>
> I was born *during* World War Two. This means ... I dunno, what
> does it mean?

That more than half of your whole life is closer to WW2 than to now. Now,
what is the *significance* of this fact, I have no idea.
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Peter Granzeau

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Nov 19, 2009, 9:30:08 PM11/19/09
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:33:51 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:

>>On Nov 19, 5:080m, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>>
>>> Anything written in or prior to 1977 (Fred Pohl's Gateway,
>>> say, or Niven's A World Out of Time) is as close or closer to the end
>>> of World War Two than it is to us.
>>
>>I was born in the early 1960s, so most of my childhood is closer to
>>WW2 than it it to now.
>
>I was born *during* World War Two. This means ... I dunno, what
>does it mean?

What you are now getting old (you are 65 or more). I am a Depression
baby, myself, and am truly geriatric. However, I was reading Heinlein
and Asimov as current writers.

David DeLaney

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Nov 19, 2009, 7:24:20 PM11/19/09
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Szymon =?utf-8?Q?Sok=C3=B3=C5=82?= <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:33:51 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> David Cowie <david...@lineone.net> wrote:
>>>I was born in the early 1960s, so most of my childhood is closer to
>>>WW2 than it it to now.
>>
>> I was born *during* World War Two. This means ... I dunno, what
>> does it mean?
>
>That more than half of your whole life is closer to WW2 than to now. Now,
>what is the *significance* of this fact, I have no idea.

"and the moral of THAT is -- 'Take care of the sense, and the sounds will take
care of themselves.'"

Dave
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Des

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Nov 20, 2009, 6:28:06 AM11/20/09
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On Nov 19, 10:33 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> In article <1753d267-f398-4f5b-9dcc-c4dccf335...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,

> David Cowie  <david_co...@lineone.net> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 19, 5:08 pm, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
> >>         Anything written in or prior to 1977 (Fred Pohl's Gateway,
> >> say, or Niven's A World Out of Time) is as close or closer to the end
> >> of World War Two than it is to us.
>
> >I was born in the early 1960s, so most of my childhood is closer to
> >WW2 than it it to now.
>
> I was born *during* World War Two.  This means ... I dunno, what
> does it mean?
>
> --
> Dorothy J. Heydt
> Vallejo, California
> djheydt at hotmail dot com
> Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
> Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.

I was born just after War 2 and can tell you that the good thing about
getting old is that the only ones who don't are dead.

Des

Matt Hughes

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Nov 20, 2009, 7:11:10 AM11/20/09
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On 19 Nov, 22:04, David Cowie <david_co...@lineone.net> wrote:

> It amuses me that the birth of Punk Rock is closer to WW2 than it is
> to now.

Whenever I see a young person wearing a mohawk, with or without dye, I
think to myself, "How charmingly old-fashioned."

Matt Hughes
http://www.archonate.com

Lawrence Watt-Evans

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Nov 20, 2009, 12:13:02 PM11/20/09
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:11:10 -0800 (PST), Matt Hughes
<arch...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>On 19 Nov, 22:04, David Cowie <david_co...@lineone.net> wrote:
>
>> It amuses me that the birth of Punk Rock is closer to WW2 than it is
>> to now.
>
>Whenever I see a young person wearing a mohawk, with or without dye, I
>think to myself, "How charmingly old-fashioned."

I find '80s nostalgia amusing, though far more justifiable than, say,
'50s nostalgia.

When my kids were little they used to talk about getting mohawks, and
we told them, "You can when you turn twelve, if you still want to."

By the time they turned twelve, mohawks were hopelessly out of style.
Neither went that route.

My daughter did eventually dye her hair a color not found in nature
for awhile, and my son shaved his head, but that was to be expected.


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Ryan McCoskrie

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Nov 21, 2009, 2:38:35 AM11/21/09
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Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:11:10 -0800 (PST), Matt Hughes
> <arch...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 19 Nov, 22:04, David Cowie <david_co...@lineone.net> wrote:
>>
>>> It amuses me that the birth of Punk Rock is closer to WW2 than it is
>>> to now.
>>
>>Whenever I see a young person wearing a mohawk, with or without dye, I
>>think to myself, "How charmingly old-fashioned."
>
> I find '80s nostalgia amusing, though far more justifiable than, say,
> '50s nostalgia.
>
> When my kids were little they used to talk about getting mohawks, and
> we told them, "You can when you turn twelve, if you still want to."
>
> By the time they turned twelve, mohawks were hopelessly out of style.
> Neither went that route.
>
> My daughter did eventually dye her hair a color not found in nature
> for awhile, and my son shaved his head, but that was to be expected.
>

At least in my experience a great deal of young men in rural NZ proudly
imitate the white trash of the '80s[1].
They hang around with their mullets, arguing about if New Holland or Massy
Ferguson[2] are better with Metalica or Guns 'n' Roses playing in the
background.

I'm not to sure why this is considered cool, particuarly since it isn't
generalised '80s nostalgia but the whole thing is strongly tribal.


[1] Along side a small number of girls and the odd Maori
[2] Makes of tractor. Anyone who brings up John Deere in a non-derogatory
manner will be severely flamed.

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James Nicoll

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Nov 21, 2009, 10:31:36 AM11/21/09
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In article <he85ad$fe3$1...@news.albasani.net>,

Ryan McCoskrie <ryan.mc...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>At least in my experience a great deal of young men in rural NZ proudly
>imitate the white trash of the '80s[1].
>They hang around with their mullets, arguing about if New Holland or Massy
>Ferguson[2] are better with Metalica or Guns 'n' Roses playing in the
>background.
>
snip

>[2] Makes of tractor. Anyone who brings up John Deere in a non-derogatory
>manner will be severely flamed.

ITYM Massey Ferguson. The Massey family involved is the same
one that produced Vincent Massey and Raymond Massey (and endowed
Massey College and got Massey Hall named after them).

[Ask me about the connection between 18th century astronomy,
Canadian defense history and Harlequin Books]

Unfortunately for my ex-wife's father, he worked for MF when
Conrad Black took the place over.

Walter Bushell

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Nov 21, 2009, 3:38:29 PM11/21/09
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In article <he3u1t$dtc$1...@panix3.panix.com>,
jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

> Anything written in or prior to 1977 (Fred Pohl's Gateway,
> say, or Niven's A World Out of Time) is as close or closer to the end
> of World War Two than it is to us.

I was born during WWII, I got my graduate degree in '71, so it's very
contemporary with me.

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Walter Bushell

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Nov 21, 2009, 3:39:26 PM11/21/09
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In article <KtDo0...@kithrup.com>,

djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:

> In article
> <1753d267-f398-4f5b...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
> David Cowie <david...@lineone.net> wrote:
> >On Nov 19, 5:08�pm, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
> >
> >> � � � � Anything written in or prior to 1977 (Fred Pohl's Gateway,
> >> say, or Niven's A World Out of Time) is as close or closer to the end
> >> of World War Two than it is to us.
> >
> >I was born in the early 1960s, so most of my childhood is closer to
> >WW2 than it it to now.
>
> I was born *during* World War Two. This means ... I dunno, what
> does it mean?

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