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Lynn McGuire  
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Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:29:25 -0500
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Subject: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_
I am halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_ and really,
    http://www.amazon.com/Leviathan-Wakes-Expanse-James-Corey/dp/0316129089/
really enjoyed this sentence:

"Holden turned off his newsfeed, fidgeted in his
bunk, and tried to wake Miller by staring at him.
It didn't work.  The massive radiation exposure
had failed to give him superpowers.  Miller began
to snore."

I like a book that is serious but does not take
itself too seriously.

I'm enjoying the hard science in this book and
the bitterness of the characters involved.

Lynn


 
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Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:07:07 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_

On Sunday, July 29, 2012 11:29:25 PM UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> I like a book that is serious but does not take
> itself too seriously.

> I'm enjoying the hard science in this book and
> the bitterness of the characters involved.

It's a Kraken good read?  :-)

Hmm, from the description I wonder if it is the political "Leviathan"
that is spoken of.  Or, you are /meant/ to think of that, and /then/ -

(Or, it's quite a free version of _Hindle Wakes_.)


 
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Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:57:28 -0500
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_

I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
novel.  I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.
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From: Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:30:08 -0500
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_
On 7/29/2012 7:57 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

What are the eight deadly words ?

Thanks,
Lynn


 
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Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:33:00 -0400
Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_

Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 7/29/2012 7:57 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
>> novel.  I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.

> What are the eight deadly words ?

"I don't care what happens to these people."

Extra emphasis on WHAT optional.

Kip W
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:35:48 -0400
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_

Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 7/29/2012 7:57 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>>> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
>>> novel.  I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.

>> What are the eight deadly words ?

>"I don't care what happens to these people."

>Extra emphasis on WHAT optional.

(tm) Dorothy of this very newsgroup.

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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_

David DeLaney wrote:
> Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 7/29/2012 7:57 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>>>> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
>>>> novel.  I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.

>>> What are the eight deadly words ?

>> "I don't care what happens to these people."

>> Extra emphasis on WHAT optional.

> (tm) Dorothy of this very newsgroup.

I blush at my omission.

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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_
On 7/29/2012 7:57 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

What is the difference between Zombies and people
affected by a bio-engineered virus ?

Lynn


 
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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:12:28 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_
On Jul 29, 8:57 pm, David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:

> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
> novel.  I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.

How did you find _Deadline_, the more explicitly zombie-ful Hugo list
novel?

 
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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:49:02 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_

On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:34:54 PM UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> What is the difference between Zombies and people
> affected by a bio-engineered virus ?

Ohh... one has a craving for brains, and the other has... um...

...malpractice claims?


 
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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:53:57 GMT
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_
:: Lynn McGuire
:: What is the difference between Zombies and people
:: affected by a bio-engineered virus ?

: Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com>
: Ohh...  one has a craving for brains, and the other has...  um...
: ...malpractice claims?

The virus pretty much melted their flesh and fused them into a lump, some
parts of which could still beg to die.  And did even more bizarre things
when it got loose in a larger colony habitat, and/or had a longer time to
process its raw materials.  I suppose it can be viewed as a sort of death
and undead afterlife.  But it didn't really seem very zombie-like to me.

So... one has craving for brains, and the other begs to die.
(Hard to press malpractice claims on aliens lightyears and eons away.)

    "All we want to do is eat your brains.
     We're not unreasonable... I mean noone's going to eat your eyes."
                    --- Jonathan Coulten

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     You may be headed for the serious strife..."
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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:31:23 -0600
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:49:02 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie

<rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:34:54 PM UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> What is the difference between Zombies and people
>> affected by a bio-engineered virus ?

>Ohh... one has a craving for brains, and the other has... um...

>...malpractice claims?

I'd like to see a zombie version of The Scarecrow of Oz.

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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_
On 7/31/2012 3:53 PM, Wayne Throop wrote:

My thought exactly.

Lynn


 
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Date: 31 Jul 2012 21:44:22 GMT
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_
In article <jkjg18hrtd0e86bcha3jqj3jcu9crau...@4ax.com>,
Howard Brazee  <how...@brazee.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:49:02 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
><rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:

>>On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:34:54 PM UTC+1, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> What is the difference between Zombies and people
>>> affected by a bio-engineered virus ?

>>Ohh... one has a craving for brains, and the other has... um...

>>...malpractice claims?

>I'd like to see a zombie version of The Scarecrow of Oz.

Not that, but something I've always wanted to post here:

        http://tednolan.net/misc/brains.jpg
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Very little; some details of the exact path traveled by the hands while
waving frantically.  Both of them don't bear examination, they make no
sense.
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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:13:35 -0500
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_

thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) writes:
> :: Lynn McGuire
> :: What is the difference between Zombies and people
> :: affected by a bio-engineered virus ?

> : Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com>
> : Ohh...  one has a craving for brains, and the other has...  um...
> : ...malpractice claims?

> The virus pretty much melted their flesh and fused them into a lump, some
> parts of which could still beg to die.  And did even more bizarre things
> when it got loose in a larger colony habitat, and/or had a longer time to
> process its raw materials.  I suppose it can be viewed as a sort of death
> and undead afterlife.  But it didn't really seem very zombie-like to me.

They ran around infecting people; seems nearly identical to me.
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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:14:23 -0500
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_

david.shallcr...@ymail.com writes:
> On Jul 29, 8:57 pm, David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
>> novel.  I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.

> How did you find _Deadline_, the more explicitly zombie-ful Hugo list
> novel?

Read the first third, or some such.  I read all of Feed and mostly liked
it, despite the basic stupidities in so many directions, because of the
characters.  She fixed that for the second one.
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_
In article <ylfka9yf4gf4....@dd-b.net>,
David Dyer-Bennet  <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:

>david.shallcr...@ymail.com writes:

>> On Jul 29, 8:57 pm, David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>>> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
>>> novel.  I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.

>> How did you find _Deadline_, the more explicitly zombie-ful Hugo list
>> novel?

>Read the first third, or some such.  I read all of Feed and mostly liked
>it, despite the basic stupidities in so many directions, because of the
>characters.  She fixed that for the second one.
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Then she fixed the fix.
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_
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You obviously dont read SF, or you would know,
and explain it to us.

 
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:34:54 -0500, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:
>On 7/29/2012 7:57 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
>> novel.  I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.

>What is the difference between Zombies and people
>affected by a bio-engineered virus ?

One craves brains, and the other braves cranes?

Dave
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_
:: The virus pretty much melted their flesh and fused them into a lump,
:: some parts of which could still beg to die.  And did even more
:: bizarre things when it got loose in a larger colony habitat, and/or
:: had a longer time to process its raw materials.  I suppose it can be
:: viewed as a sort of death and undead afterlife.  But it didn't really
:: seem very zombie-like to me.

: David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net>
: They ran around infecting people; seems nearly identical to me.

So, the common cold creates zombies.  Or something nearly identical.
Good to know.


 
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_

But, clearly it's a metaphor for a class action!

I don't know why we're talking about zombies, isn't it The Blob?

Well, anyway, one finds life unendurable, and one finds life delicious!

One has body parts added on, and one has body parts that drop off...

One turns into a ghastly mass of plastic tissue, and Michael Jackson
turns into the other one.  I had to think about this one but I think
I got it the right way around.


 
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t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:

> In article <ylfka9yf4gf4....@dd-b.net>,
> David Dyer-Bennet  <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>>david.shallcr...@ymail.com writes:

>>> On Jul 29, 8:57 pm, David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>>>> I found it pretty much eight-deadly-words material, plus it's a zombie
>>>> novel.  I only finished because it's on the Hugo list.

>>> How did you find _Deadline_, the more explicitly zombie-ful Hugo list
>>> novel?

>>Read the first third, or some such.  I read all of Feed and mostly liked
>>it, despite the basic stupidities in so many directions, because of the
>>characters.  She fixed that for the second one.
> Then she fixed the fix.

Sort-of, but in a way that is nonsense from what we  know of how memory
works (Lydy finished it).  And having her filtered through her idiot
brother really didn't work very well.
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Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:49:12 -0500
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Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_

thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) writes:
> :: The virus pretty much melted their flesh and fused them into a lump,
> :: some parts of which could still beg to die.  And did even more
> :: bizarre things when it got loose in a larger colony habitat, and/or
> :: had a longer time to process its raw materials.  I suppose it can be
> :: viewed as a sort of death and undead afterlife.  But it didn't really
> :: seem very zombie-like to me.

> : David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net>
> : They ran around infecting people; seems nearly identical to me.

> So, the common cold creates zombies.  Or something nearly identical.
> Good to know.

As a deliberate goal.  Even though they'd lost human cognition.

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Greg Goss  
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 More options Aug 1 2012, 2:49 pm
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
From: Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org>
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:49:29 -0600
Local: Wed, Aug 1 2012 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: halfway through _Leviathan_Wakes_

Sjouke Burry <s@b> wrote:
>Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote in news:jv9c1b$blt$1@dont-email.me:
>> What is the difference between Zombies and people
>> affected by a bio-engineered virus ?

>You obviously dont read SF, or you would know,
>and explain it to us.

Read?  I thought he was talking about the Quantum Leap episode.
--
I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.

 
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