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Penn

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Dec 29, 2009, 12:48:40 AM12/29/09
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Having read the plot outline to Heinlein's Space Cadet, I can say it
isn't the story I'm searching for, but its Wiki entry did grab my
attention in that it does talk about the same subject. So, can anyone
remember any other stories that make use of the following concept?

"The Asteroid Belt is proven to be what is left of an exploded planet,
but also remains are found of that planet's inhabitants, who had been
responsible for its destruction."

The similar story I'm searching for mentioned the craters on Mars were
due to nuclear detonations in an interplanetary war that fractured the
enemy planet (forming the Belt), and some humans stranded on Mars are
saved when one of them - lost in the martian desert, presumed dead -
comes back with abandoned martian tech, specifically a device that
projects a bell-shaped forcefield around him which holds an atmosphere.

Mike Schilling

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Dec 29, 2009, 1:27:41 AM12/29/09
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Could it be Asimov's David Starr: Space Ranger (the first Lucky Starr
book)?


Sean Eric Fagan

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Dec 29, 2009, 1:05:30 AM12/29/09
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In article <a487e622-9034-4c2b...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,

Penn <penn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>The similar story I'm searching for mentioned the craters on Mars were
>due to nuclear detonations in an interplanetary war that fractured the
>enemy planet (forming the Belt), and some humans stranded on Mars are
>saved when one of them - lost in the martian desert, presumed dead -
>comes back with abandoned martian tech, specifically a device that
>projects a bell-shaped forcefield around him which holds an atmosphere.

Asimov's "Lucky Starr" books.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Starr_series

I'd just read that article a few days ago, for some reason...

Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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Dec 29, 2009, 9:25:23 AM12/29/09
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The exact description doesn't fit anything I know of; if it's David
Starr, Space Ranger (first of the "Lucky Starr" books by Asimov), the
other humans aren't stranded but are trying to solve a mystery involving
someone committing murders (which are similar to the Tylenol poisonings
some years back; random insertion of poison into parts of the
foodstuffs). Lucky is given the force shield, though, it's not abandoned.

Another is Poul Anderson's "Shield", in which the expedition was also
given the Shield technology, and they're being pursued by the government
to give it up.


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lal_truckee

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Dec 29, 2009, 11:17:40 AM12/29/09
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Maybe one of James P. Hogan's "Giant Novels" series? He does stuff like
that throughout the series. Inherit the Stars (1977) is apparently the
first in the series (from ISFDB) but I think the destruction of the
"asteroid planet" is from one of the later entries.

Fits the YA description well enough - Hogan makes no more scientific
sense than any other YA out there.

David DeLaney

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Dec 29, 2009, 8:24:09 AM12/29/09
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Penn <penn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Having read the plot outline to Heinlein's Space Cadet, I can say it
>isn't the story I'm searching for, but its Wiki entry did grab my
>attention in that it does talk about the same subject. So, can anyone
>remember any other stories that make use of the following concept?
>
>"The Asteroid Belt is proven to be what is left of an exploded planet,
>but also remains are found of that planet's inhabitants, who had been
>responsible for its destruction."

Others have gotten the story you're specifically looking for, I think. I'm
vaguely remembering there was at least one Campbell story that utilized this?
(And ... did it also turn up in Arcot, Wade, & Morey's series, or was that
a piece of planet in some other system way the hell and gone away from Earth?)

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Szymon Sokół

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Dec 29, 2009, 1:08:40 PM12/29/09
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The idea is similar (destruction of a planet resulting in the creation of
the asteroid belt), but Hogan had his Minervan (the planet was called
Minerva) refugees on Moon, not Mars, no abandoned technology was involved,
and the war wasn't interplanetary - it was two Minervan factions fighting
each other. So, not this story.

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Default User

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Dec 29, 2009, 5:13:07 PM12/29/09
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David DeLaney wrote:

> Penn <penn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Having read the plot outline to Heinlein's Space Cadet, I can say it
> > isn't the story I'm searching for, but its Wiki entry did grab my
> > attention in that it does talk about the same subject. So, can
> > anyone remember any other stories that make use of the following
> > concept?
> >
> > "The Asteroid Belt is proven to be what is left of an exploded
> > planet, but also remains are found of that planet's inhabitants,
> > who had been responsible for its destruction."
>
> Others have gotten the story you're specifically looking for, I
> think. I'm vaguely remembering there was at least one Campbell story
> that utilized this? (And ... did it also turn up in Arcot, Wade, &
> Morey's series, or was that a piece of planet in some other system
> way the hell and gone away from Earth?)

An interesting take on the general theme was in Jack Williamson's
Seetee stories. The "fifth planet" had collided with an outsider world,
one that was made of antimatter (contraterrene->C-T->Seetee). So the
belt is a mix of fragments of normal and anti-matter. Naturally, a
dangerous setting for asteroid mining, and for those who would try to
harness the energy possibilities of the "Seetee".


Brian

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Penn

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Dec 29, 2009, 9:56:40 PM12/29/09
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On Dec 29, 5:13 pm, "Default User" <defaultuse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> David DeLaney wrote:

It appears...to be none of these stories. Impressive re-using of the
same themes from many authors of the time, though.

I remembered two more details: the stranded humans, before they became
stranded, had a space-suited Indian guide. Also, Mars was uninhabited
in the story.

Also, I believe that story is from a collection (possibly from the
same author) in which in one story people land on an airless asteroid
or moon and find a cracked dome, inside which are many-limbed robot-
like entities that communicate through radio, and were abandoned there
when their creator race left for parts unknown. They're as smart or
smarter than humans.

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