Representations of art in science fiction
colin
science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
help would be greatly appreciated.
Colin Payne
Brenda
colin wrote:
I assume you are defining "art" broadly, as in all creative endeavor.
Cordwainer Smith wrote a dynamite story (someone who has had their
morning coffee will kick in with the title any moment now) about a dance
competition in the far future.
Brenda
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mystery artist which aid the plot development. A main character is also
into real 'print books' which in that digital future are treated as
artworks rather than a useful medium for information storage.
John Varley's "Golden Globe" deals with the theater arts and other
broadcast media in the future; quite entertainingly in places.
Greg Bear's "City of Angels" has some nanotechnological art (edible and
otherwise) described, but more as setting and scenery elements than
specific themes. (Then again there is one particular artwork that does
end up somewhat central to a subplot, but I won't go into spoiler
details here.) His novel "Moving Mars" also has a segment involving a
weird kind of participatory 'performance art'/'role-playing
game'/'thrill ride' mix. You'd have to read it...I can't really
describe it in a way that would do it justice.
David Brin discusses human and alien art and literature briefly in his
new Uplift trilogy ('Brightness Reef' etc.)
Gregory Benford's "Artifact" centers on a piece of historical 'artwork'
(monument/statuary) which turns out to be a particle physics puzzle.
Jack McDevitt's "The Engines of God" deals with the search for meaning
in the artworks (statuary, sculptures) left behind by an alien race
referred to as 'the monument builders'.
I also semi-recall an interesting short story or two. One was about a
guy whose sculptures were considered beautiful, and also weighed LESS
than their volume and the density of the medium (e.g. marble) would seem
to permit...turned out his sculpture involved (subconsciously) creating
an effective maximum surface area vs. volume sort of result, and this
caused localized anti-gravity via some topology SBS ('scientific
bullshit' <my friend's term for pseudoscientific justifications to make
a story work> :D ). The second involved some sort of analyzer that
measured the particles given off by 'good' artwork (aestetons?) and thus
destroyed the whole art and art criticism industry by establishing a
'truly' objective standard as to what was good art. Unfortunately I can
recall the title and author of neither at the moment. (Fat lot of help
I am, eh? :>D )
Thanks for the question; until you asked it and I started thinking about
it I didn't realize how many examples there were I could recall;
ironically a number of the above works are also among my 'favorites', so
perhaps there's a connection.
Anyway, hope some of this helps. If not, flame away. <ducking>
RTR
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Lawrence Watt-Evans
>colin wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>> science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>> help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Colin Payne
>
>I assume you are defining "art" broadly, as in all creative endeavor.
>Cordwainer Smith wrote a dynamite story (someone who has had their
>morning coffee will kick in with the title any moment now) about a dance
>competition in the far future.
Several people have done dance stories. I generally don't like 'em.
For music there's Norman Spinrad's "The Big Flash," a few stories by
Orson Scott Card, etc.
But I'll assume this guy actually wanted painting, in which case let
me point out "The Portrait of Baron Negay," by Barry B. Longyear.
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Carol Flynt
> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
> science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
> help would be greatly appreciated.
>
If your research includes fantasy, as opposed to specifically
science fiction, take a look at Steven Brust's -- damn, I've
forgotten the title, and I'll never find the book in the
mess in the basement. It was the retelling of a Hungarian
(?) folktale, but the retelling was woven through the
story of the protagonist, an artist who is struggling with
the artistic process. The book is more about art - in all its
forms - than anything else.
Someon will come along with the title, I'm sure. <g>
Carol (Hey, with 101 fever, I don't think so good!) Flynt
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colin <pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> writes:
> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
> science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
> help would be greatly appreciated.
Katy Waitmann's _The Merro Tree_ is about art and what it means to be
an artist, and particularly the moral obligations of a master artist to
defend intellectual freedom against those who see art merely as a
commodity to be exploited.
I have a review of it at
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David Eppstein
> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
> science fiction.
Kim Stanley Robinson's book _The Memory of Whiteness_, about music (and
high energy physics, conspiracy theory, psychodrama, and the meaning of
life) and story "Mercurial" (included in _The Planet on the Table_),
about...um...Monet's cathedral series (and a murder mystery).
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Fred Galvin
> Several people have done dance stories. I generally don't like 'em.
>
> For music there's Norman Spinrad's "The Big Flash," a few stories by
> Orson Scott Card, etc.
>
> But I'll assume this guy actually wanted painting, in which case let
> me point out "The Portrait of Baron Negay," by Barry B. Longyear.
And then there are *alien* art forms, which may not fit into any of the
usual categories, as in Anthony Boucher's "Expedition". I'm not sure
where that story appeared. I read it in the paperback anthology _Invasion
from Mars_, Interplanetary Stories Selected by Orson Welles, Dell
Publishing Co., 1949. The acknowledgment in the book reads: "Expedition,
by Anthony Boucher. From _Captain Future_ Magazine. Copyright, 1943, by
Anthony Boucher. By arrangement with Willis Kingsley Wing." I would
suppose that they got that right; however, Donald Day's index says
it was in _Thrilling Wonder Stories_, August, 1943.
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It's the story of a Martian expedition to Earth. The 5-Martian crew
includes an artist, named Lilil, with the important function of
ministering to the esthetic needs of the Martians. They make contact with
an Earthling, who gains an important insight into the Martians' nature
when Lilil performs his art on the Earthling's kitten.
Sea Wasp
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> On Mon, 05 Apr 1999 09:40:15 -0400, Brenda <clo...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >colin wrote:
> >
> >> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
> >> help would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >
> >I assume you are defining "art" broadly, as in all creative endeavor.
> >Cordwainer Smith wrote a dynamite story (someone who has had their
> >morning coffee will kick in with the title any moment now) about a dance
> >competition in the far future.
>
>
> For music there's Norman Spinrad's "The Big Flash," a few stories by
> Orson Scott Card, etc.
>
> But I'll assume this guy actually wanted painting, in which case let
> me point out "The Portrait of Baron Negay," by Barry B. Longyear.
And there's always the Star Wars novels featuring Admiral Thrawn, who
analyzes the psychology of races through their art.
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pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za says...
> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
> science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
> help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Colin Payne
>
Joe Haldeman has a story about an artist, I believe called "Feedback".
And "For White Hill" is about an art contest.
Sean Stewart's novel _The Night Watch_ has an artist as a major
character.
William Gibson's "The Winter Market" is about video art.
Mary Rosenblum's novel _The Stone Garden_ is about sculpture.
"Dancing on Air" by Nancy Kress is about, among other things, ballet.
This just off the top of my head, I'm afraid.
Maureen McHugh
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Mike Schilling
Asimov_), which is about a human given the ability to appreciate an
alien art-form. It's not IMHO a bad story (compared to others he was
writing at the time), but art and esthetics were so uninteresting to the
Golden Age audience that the story was unsalable, and wound up being
given away.
(In an oft-told anecdote, Asimov later demanded a token payment so that
he could truthfully deny he gave the story away for nothing.)
Mike
Peter Meilinger
: I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
: science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
: represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
: help would be greatly appreciated.
Two come to mind.
One was a Berserker story, but I don't know if it was Saberhagen. One
of the Berserkers kept a human alive long enough to paint a picture.
I think, it's been a while.
The one I do remember is Black Charlie by Gordon R. Dickson. A prospector
on some swamp planet somewhere asks a museum buyer to look at some
crude sculptures. They were made by an otter-like native, the title
character. The otter wants the guy to buy them for his museum, but
the buyer tells him they're not really art, which of course breaks the
otter's heart. Truth be told, the story annoys the hell out of me
in a way. A person who makes something with no intrinsic value beyond
the creative forces that went into it has made art. It might not be
GOOD art, but it's sure as hell art.
Pete
Kate Nepveu
: colin wrote:
:> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
:> science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
:> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
:> help would be greatly appreciated.
: If your research includes fantasy, as opposed to specifically
: science fiction, take a look at Steven Brust's -- damn, I've
: forgotten the title, and I'll never find the book in the
: mess in the basement. It was the retelling of a Hungarian
: (?) folktale, but the retelling was woven through the
: story of the protagonist, an artist who is struggling with
: the artistic process. The book is more about art - in all its
: forms - than anything else.
: Someon will come along with the title, I'm sure. <g>
_The Sun, the Moon, and the Stars_. The characters are painters, in case
that matters. It was recently reprinted in trade--I think it was an Orb
edition, which means it is still in print. Not sure, though.
Kate
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"Riders of the Purple Wage," by Philip Jose Farmer. Pretty hilarious
near-future story who's main character is an artist. Lots of satire.
"Riding the Torch," by (I think?) Norman Spinrad. People in generation
ships have made art a fashion and central to life. Some pretty
imaginative stuff. Central character seeks to revitalise his muse.
Michael Roy Hollihan
Memphis, Tennessee, USA
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Caedmon Parsons
<pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> wrote:
>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
>
Alexander Jablokov's _Carve the Sky_: several pieces of sculpture and
a cult with an aesthetics-based cosmology are central. (Also by
Jablokov, _Nimbus_ where one of the main characters is, among other
things, a pianist and his ex-wife is a ballerina).
_Pasquale's Angel_, I don't recall the author, fairly recent. I
couldn't get far enough into it to determine if it was fantasy or
alternate history, but the setting is Renaissance Florence and
Renaissance artists are the primary characters.
Black Bart by Gordon Dickson which somebody mentioned, I have under
the title _Alien Art_ and the sculpture by the 'otter' alien is the
key to the whole story.
Caedmon
Birth or Death? There was a Birth, certainly,
We had evidence and no doubt. I had seen birth and death,
But had thought they were different; this Birth was
Hard and bitter agony for us, like Death, our death.
--T.S. Eliot
Margaret Dean
> And then there are *alien* art forms, which may not fit into any of the
> usual categories, as in Anthony Boucher's "Expedition". I'm not sure
> where that story appeared. I read it in the paperback anthology
> _Invasion from Mars_, Interplanetary Stories Selected by Orson Welles,
> Dell Publishing Co., 1949. The acknowledgment in the book reads:
> "Expedition, by Anthony Boucher. From _Captain Future_ Magazine.
> Copyright, 1943, by Anthony Boucher. By arrangement with Willis
> Kingsley Wing." I would suppose that they got that right; however,
> Donald Day's index says it was in _Thrilling Wonder Stories_, August,
> 1943.
It's also one of the stories in Boucher's collection THE COMPLEAT
WEREWOLF.
--Margaret Dean
<marg...@erols.com>
Margaret Dean
>
> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
> science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
> help would be greatly appreciated.
Ooh, this reminds me of a story of which I've forgotten the title and
author. It was certainly about art, since the protagonist was named
Kunst (German for "art," as I'm given to understand -- I don't know
German myself) and was the practitioner of a SFnal artform which involved
imprinting emotions telepathically on spheres of a substance called
"palparium" (which emotions can then be sensed by the "viewers" of the
artwork). I remember all kinds of details about this story, except the
trivial ones like title, author, and title of the anthology I read it in
(which was edited by David Gerrold if I'm not mistaken).
Anyway, if others on this list can help in identifying and tracking down
the story, I think it would be an excellent one to use for your paper.
--Margaret Dean
<marg...@erols.com>
RTR
I really liked 'Ancient Shores' too...kinda silly little story, but gave
me that I'm-a-little-boy-reading-my-first-SF feeling again. <grin>
RTR
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> "RTR" <remski@flashDELETE_THIS_PART_IF_NOT_SPAM.net> wrote:
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> >Jack McDevitt's "The Engines of God" deals with the search for
meaning
> >in the artworks (statuary, sculptures) left behind by an alien race
> >referred to as 'the monument builders'.
>
> Art also plays a role in McDevitt's _A Talent for War_. Whilst
> researching the history/mythos of David Sim, the protagonist refers to
> a number of paintings, novels and dramas about the man.
>
> This is one of my favourite books. I just love the way McDevitt
> captures the historian's task of trying to divine the truth from the
> stories, myths and legends that grow up around half-remembered events.
> His "Eternity Road" has a similar feel, except that it is our culture
> that is being dimly remembered by far-future descendants of the
> disaster that destroys our civilisation.
>
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RTR
McDonald. Main character is an artist (virtual reality/drug
combination, a designer 'experience') who has been there, done that, and
decides it's time to die, in the city of the dead (corpses reanimated
and converted to nearly-immortal form via nanotechnology), on the Day of
the Dead.
Pretentious, obnoxious, overwhelming, frightening, hysterical, and all
around a great damned read.
RTR <kicking himself for not thinking of it earlier>
colin <pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> wrote in message
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> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
> science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
> help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Colin Payne
Joe Mason
>German myself) and was the practitioner of a SFnal artform which involved
> imprinting emotions telepathically on spheres of a substance called
>"palparium" (which emotions can then be sensed by the "viewers" of the
Don't recognize this story, but it jogged my memory - nobody's mentioned
"Vintage Season". (Kuttner and Moore, was it?)
Also, there's a multitude of cyberpunk and similar stories dealing with
(or at least mentioning) body art and similar societal change. One (not
cyberpunk, but dealing with body art) is Greg Bear's _Eon_, in which the
future humans can download their consciousness into computers and
manufactured bodies at will, and use a variety of other forms for
aesthetic reasons more than practical.
Joe
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Janet Kegg
>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
_Wave Without a Shore_ by C. J. Cherryh
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>
> On Mon, 05 Apr 1999 15:23:24 -0700, colin
>
> >I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
> >science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
> >represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
> >help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> a cult with an aesthetics-based cosmology are central.
And it will have you more than half convinced that you can go to the
library and get books out covering the art history of the 22nd and
23rd centuries.
> (Also by
> Jablokov, _Nimbus_ where one of the main characters is, among other
> things, a pianist and his ex-wife is a ballerina).
>
> _Pasquale's Angel_, I don't recall the author, fairly recent. I
> couldn't get far enough into it to determine if it was fantasy or
> alternate history, but the setting is Renaissance Florence and
> Renaissance artists are the primary characters.
A bit of both, though more alternate history, I think. I liked it.
There's also "Three Boston Artists", by Sarah Smith, published in
_Aboriginal SF_, and later in the Future Boston anthology. If I am not
horribly misremembering, as I can't seem to find my copy at the
moment.
<snip>
Lis Carey
Elisabeth Carey
>
> colin wrote
> >I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
> >science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
> >represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts.
>
> important part of the story. I think it was "Wave upon a Shore". The
> sculptor's masterpiece included the effects of changing angles and
> colour of light through the piece as a calculated part of the work
> rather than an as an accidental effect.
_Wave Without a Shore_, actually. Art as a critical part of making the
world.
Lis Carey
Eveleen McAuley
colin wrote
>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts.
One of C. J. Cherryh's books included a sculptor and his work as an
important part of the story. I think it was "Wave upon a Shore". The
sculptor's masterpiece included the effects of changing angles and
colour of light through the piece as a calculated part of the work
rather than an as an accidental effect.
Eveleen McAuley
Ernest Sjogren
>Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 05 Apr 1999 09:40:15 -0400, Brenda <clo...@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>> >colin wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>> >> science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>> >> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>> >> help would be greatly appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Colin Payne
>> >
>> >I assume you are defining "art" broadly, as in all creative endeavor.
>> >Cordwainer Smith wrote a dynamite story (someone who has had their
>> >morning coffee will kick in with the title any moment now) about a dance
>> >competition in the far future.
>>
>> Several people have done dance stories. I generally don't like 'em.
>>
>> For music there's Norman Spinrad's "The Big Flash," a few stories by
>> Orson Scott Card, etc.
>>
>> But I'll assume this guy actually wanted painting, in which case let
>> me point out "The Portrait of Baron Negay," by Barry B. Longyear.
>
> And there's always the Star Wars novels featuring Admiral Thrawn, who
>analyzes the psychology of races through their art.
>
As is also done, off the cuff, near the beginning of A DEEPNESS IN THE
SKY, giving us one of the first hints that all's not right with the
Emergent humans.
-- Ernie Sjogren
Ernest Sjogren
>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Colin Payne
Not sure if you mean "The Arts" or painting and sculpture. Two books
that come to mind:
"A Work of Art," by James Blish, in which Richard Strauss is brought
back from the dead to write one more opera. It is one of my favorite
stories, ever. Acc. to ISFDB it has been republished as follows:
Galactic Cluster, James Blish, 1959, Signet, $0.75, pb
Best SF Stories of James Blish, James Blish, 1965
The Stars Around Us, Robert Hoskins, 1970, Signet, #T4202, pb
Best of James Blish, James Blish, 1979
The Great SF Stories 18 (1956), Isaac Asimov, 1988
The Science Fiction Century, David G. Hartwell, 1997, Tor,
0-312-86338-1, $40.00, hc
The very end of John Brunner's THE WHOLE MAN discusses a possible
future multimedia art in a not terribly original way. But the whole
book is definitely enjoyable, if you have time between writing papers.
It's OP, I'm sure, and probably never made it into hardcover, but
paperback copies aren't hard to find.
-- Ernie Sjogren
Andrea Leistra
>colin wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>> science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>> help would be greatly appreciated.
>If your research includes fantasy, as opposed to specifically
>science fiction, take a look at Steven Brust's -- damn, I've
>forgotten the title, and I'll never find the book in the
>mess in the basement.
This is _The Sun, the Moon, and the Stars_.
>It was the retelling of a Hungarian (?)
Yes.
--
Andrea Leistra
Wim Lewis
Fred Galvin <gal...@math.ukans.edu> wrote:
>And then there are *alien* art forms, which may not fit into any of the
>usual categories, as in Anthony Boucher's "Expedition".
Or fairly straightforward extrapolations of current art forms to
alien senses: Niven's kdatlyno sculptors, for example, whose sculptures
are intended to be experienced via radar. And someone else in this
thread has already mentioned Asimov's "The Secret Sense".
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Katie Schwarz
>
>I assume you are defining "art" broadly, as in all creative endeavor.
>Cordwainer Smith wrote a dynamite story (someone who has had their
>morning coffee will kick in with the title any moment now) about a dance
>competition in the far future.
You're probably thinking of "No, No, Not Rogov!", although the story
isn't really about the dance competition. (It's about twentieth-
century humans who catch a glimpse of the "golden shape on the golden
steps").
--
Katie Schwarz
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-- Jorge Luis Borges, "Death and the Compass"
John Boston
>
>colin <pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> wrote:
>
>>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>>help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>
>The very end of John Brunner's THE WHOLE MAN discusses a possible
>future multimedia art in a not terribly original way. But the whole
>book is definitely enjoyable, if you have time between writing papers.
>It's OP, I'm sure, and probably never made it into hardcover, but
>paperback copies aren't hard to find.
>
were both under the title TELEPATHIST.
John Boston
Rachel Brown
Lee Killough's "Aventine" is a collection of short stories set on a future
artist's colony, involving such things as kinetic sculptures, acting
assisted by pills that _really_ make you become the character, body
sculpting, and so forth.
Rachel
Katie Schwarz
>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
I think Heinlein's "The Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag"
deserves consideration, as a representative of the "our world/universe
is some alien creature's artwork" type of story.
John Boston
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
>
Look for NEW DREAMS THIS MORNING edited by James Blish
and blurbed "A Science Fiction Anthology about the Future of the
Arts," Ballantine paperback 1966. Contents:
Isaac Asimov, Dreaming Is a Private Thing
James Blish, A Work of Art
Blish, The Dark Night of the Soul
Harry Harrison, Portrait of the Artist
Damon Knight, The Country of the Kind
C.M. Kornbluth, With These Hands
Edgar Pangborn, A Master of Babylon
Robert Silverberg, A Man of Talent
Another anthology (data from www.best.com/~contento/):
The Arts and Beyond ed. Thomas F. Monteleone (Doubleday, 1977, hc)
• Introduction • Thomas F. Monteleone • in
• Black Charlie • Gordon R. Dickson • ss Galaxy Apr '54
• The Masterpiece • J. J. Russ • ss *
• A Museum Piece • Roger Zelazny • ss Fantastic Jun '63
• Telepathos • Ronald Cain • nv Science Fiction Emphasis #1, ed. David
Gerrold, Ballantine, 1974
• Stella Blue • Grant Carrington • ss Amazing Oct '74
• Ultimate Melody • Arthur C. Clarke • ss If Feb '57
• Eldorado • Charles L. Grant • ss *
• The Ghost Writer • George Alec Effinger • ss Universe 3, ed. Terry Carr,
Random House, 1973
• Camera Obscura • Thomas F. Monteleone • ss Cosmos SF&F Magazine Jul '77
• Patron of the Arts • William Rotsler • nv Universe 2, ed. Terry Carr,
Ace, 1972
• With These Hands • C. M. Kornbluth • nv Galaxy Dec '51
• Shoppe Keeper • Harlan Ellison • ss *
• About the Artists • [Misc. Material] • bg
I suspect that there are other anthologies on this theme but
don't remember any more offhand.
John Boston
Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
colin <pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> spake:
>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
Rock'n'Roll: "Rock On" (in the _Mirrorshades_ anthology), _Synners_,
and "The Final Remake of Little Latin Larry" (available on her web site)
by Pat Cadigan, "Freezone" (also in _Mirrorshades_) by John Varley,
_Tonguing the Zeitgeist_ by Lance Olsen (hilarious and deeply depressing
book about the death of Rock'n'Roll), and _Snow Crash_.
-- <a href="http://kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu/~kamikaze/"> Mark Hughes </a>
Caedmon Parsons
wrote:
[snip]
>Also, there's a multitude of cyberpunk and similar stories dealing with
>(or at least mentioning) body art and similar societal change. One (not
>cyberpunk, but dealing with body art) is Greg Bear's _Eon_, in which the
>future humans can download their consciousness into computers and
>manufactured bodies at will, and use a variety of other forms for
>aesthetic reasons more than practical.
In the same vein, I suppose you could also include Moorcock's 'Dancers
at the End of Time' series where bodies and environments are altered
regularly (and extremely) for aesthetic reasons.
Also, a book I should have remembered first time around Walter Jon
Williamson's _Aristoi_ which includes descriptions of a number of
works of art (paintings, architecture, virtual environments, etc).
Also, IMO, a very good book.
Another book which was not so good but which included a fair amount of
sculpture was the the first volume of the _Searchers_ by Chet Williams
<sp?>. Also not science fiction; more urban fantasy or some such
(referencing the other thread)
res...@delphi.com
>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
told in the first person of an alien art critic/authenticator, and
it has a lot about human and alien art in it. If that helps.
-- Mike Resnick
Terrence J. Lago
Andrea Leistra (alei...@nevis.u.arizona.edu) writes:
> In article <7ealpg$7...@conch.msen.com>, Carol Flynt <cl...@msen.com> wrote:
>>colin wrote:
>>
>>> science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>>> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>>> help would be greatly appreciated.
>
How about _News from Nowhere_ by William Morris? While not a fantasy per
se it expounds Morris' view of the perfect society and his concerns for
the future of art were integral to his ideas about society.
Terry
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>In one Niven novel, an alien captures a human spaceman. The spaceman
>has a painting (reproduction). The alien can't make heads or tails
>out of it. The author laments that, if the spaceman had other tastes,
>the alien might have discovered representational art. But the
>spaceman liked Dali.
Let me be the first in the herd to point it out. That's _Protector_. (1973)
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sorts.
Richard Cadrey had a short story involving an artist as well, but I can't
remember what it was called.
One of the characters in Wilhemina Bairds' Crashcourse trilogy was an
artinst/sculptor.
Ketan Shah
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>colin <pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> writes:
>
>>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>>help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
Brenda
Katie Schwarz wrote:
> In article <3708BD3E...@erols.com>, Brenda <clo...@erols.com> wrote:
> >
> >I assume you are defining "art" broadly, as in all creative endeavor.
> >Cordwainer Smith wrote a dynamite story (someone who has had their
> >morning coffee will kick in with the title any moment now) about a dance
> >competition in the far future.
>
> You're probably thinking of "No, No, Not Rogov!", although the story
> isn't really about the dance competition. (It's about twentieth-
> century humans who catch a glimpse of the "golden shape on the golden
> steps").
>
Yup, that was it. What a great titler Corwainer Smith was.
Brenda
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Nancy Lebovitz
Katie Schwarz <k...@socrates.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>In article <3708BD3E...@erols.com>, Brenda <clo...@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>>I assume you are defining "art" broadly, as in all creative endeavor.
>>Cordwainer Smith wrote a dynamite story (someone who has had their
>>morning coffee will kick in with the title any moment now) about a dance
>>competition in the far future.
>
>You're probably thinking of "No, No, Not Rogov!", although the story
>isn't really about the dance competition. (It's about twentieth-
>century humans who catch a glimpse of the "golden shape on the golden
>steps").
>
the course of describing a moment of fundamental political and moral
change, the story includes the way the moment was shown in art in
the following centuries.
See also "Mirror to the Sky" by Mark Geston--alien art of tremendous
power, and _Drakon_ by S.M. Stirling--art as hobby by genetically
altered non-creative super-intelligent humanoid.
Nancy Lebovitz
RTR <remski@flashDELETE_THIS_PART_IF_NOT_SPAM.net> wrote:
>
>I also semi-recall an interesting short story or two. One was about a
>guy whose sculptures were considered beautiful, and also weighed LESS
>than their volume and the density of the medium (e.g. marble) would seem
>to permit...turned out his sculpture involved (subconsciously) creating
>an effective maximum surface area vs. volume sort of result, and this
>caused localized anti-gravity via some topology SBS ('scientific
>bullshit' <my friend's term for pseudoscientific justifications to make
>a story work> :D ). The second involved some sort of analyzer that
I'm pretty sure it was in _Again, Dangerous Visions_.
>measured the particles given off by 'good' artwork (aestetons?) and thus
>destroyed the whole art and art criticism industry by establishing a
>'truly' objective standard as to what was good art. Unfortunately I can
>recall the title and author of neither at the moment. (Fat lot of help
>I am, eh? :>D )
Sounds like fun--I hope someone remembers author and title.
>
Nancy Lebovitz
Mike Schilling <mi...@forte.com> wrote:
>This brings to mind Asimov's "The Secret Sense" (available in _The Early
>Asimov_), which is about a human given the ability to appreciate an
>alien art-form. It's not IMHO a bad story (compared to others he was
>writing at the time), but art and esthetics were so uninteresting to the
>Golden Age audience that the story was unsalable, and wound up being
>given away.
>
IIRC, he also wrote one called "Dreaming Is a Private Thing" about
recordable dreams used for entertainment.
Nancy Lebovitz
Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes <kami...@kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu> wrote:
>Mon, 05 Apr 1999 15:23:24 -0700:
>colin <pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> spake:
>>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>>help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>and "The Final Remake of Little Latin Larry" (available on her web site)
>by Pat Cadigan, "Freezone" (also in _Mirrorshades_) by John Varley,
>_Tonguing the Zeitgeist_ by Lance Olsen (hilarious and deeply depressing
>book about the death of Rock'n'Roll), and _Snow Crash_.
>
There's a collection of sf about music called _Space Opera_. And a
novel called _Space Opera_ by Jack Vance about an effort to bring
high culture to aliens.
Nancy Lebovitz
colin <pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> wrote:
>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
>
as a major art form.
Nancy Lebovitz
Nancy Lebovitz <na...@unix3.netaxs.com> wrote:
>In article <slrn7gj00i....@kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu>,
>Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes <kami...@kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu> wrote:
>>Mon, 05 Apr 1999 15:23:24 -0700:
>>colin <pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> spake:
>>>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>>>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>>>help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>and "The Final Remake of Little Latin Larry" (available on her web site)
>>by Pat Cadigan, "Freezone" (also in _Mirrorshades_) by John Varley,
>>_Tonguing the Zeitgeist_ by Lance Olsen (hilarious and deeply depressing
>>book about the death of Rock'n'Roll), and _Snow Crash_.
>>
>And _Glimpses_ by Lewis Shiner.
>
>There's a collection of sf about music called _Space Opera_. And a
>novel called _Space Opera_ by Jack Vance about an effort to bring
>high culture to aliens.
>
_Glimpses_ is about a disk jockey who can change the past (with considerable
effort) to get some great rock music which almost happened to actually
happen.
IIRC, the Vance novel is a stock comedy (though quite pleasant) with
no serious speculation.
Avram Grumer
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> In article <37090292...@forte.com>,
> Mike Schilling <mi...@forte.com> wrote:
>
> >This brings to mind Asimov's "The Secret Sense" (available in _The
> >Early Asimov_),...
> >
> IIRC, he also wrote one called "Dreaming Is a Private Thing" about
> recordable dreams used for entertainment.
James Morrow's _The Continent of Lies_ is a novel about recordable dreams.
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>In article <370937...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> colin wrote:
>>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>>help would be greatly appreciated.
>_Wave Without a Shore_ by C. J. Cherryh
_The Dark Lady_ by Mike Resnick
-- William
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Lee Ann Rucker
>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Colin Payne
"Fugue in Four Voices", Catherine Asaro(?), in a recent (last 2-3 years) Analog
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On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Ketan Shah wrote:
> Richard Cadrey had a short story involving an artist as well, but I can't
> remember what it was called.
That's Kadrey, and you might be thinking of METROPHAGE, which,
IIRC, involves an anarchist artist's group somehow. His second novel,
KAMIKAZE L'AMOUR, features a musician as protagonist.
This reminds me also of Pat Murphy's THE CITY NOT LONG AFTER,
which is about a social revolution led by artists.
Oh, and Richard Paul Russo's SUBTERRANEAN GALLERY is about a
sculptor.
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R. Byers
On 6 Apr 1999, Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes wrote:
> "Freezone" (also in _Mirrorshades_) by John Varley,
A.k.a. John Shirley.
Rich Horton
wrote:
>In article <slrn7gj00i....@kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu>,
>Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes <kami...@kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu> wrote:
>>Mon, 05 Apr 1999 15:23:24 -0700:
>>colin <pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> spake:
>>>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>>>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>>>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>>>help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Rock'n'Roll: "Rock On" (in the _Mirrorshades_ anthology), _Synners_,
>>and "The Final Remake of Little Latin Larry" (available on her web site)
>>by Pat Cadigan, "Freezone" (also in _Mirrorshades_) by John Varley,
>>_Tonguing the Zeitgeist_ by Lance Olsen (hilarious and deeply depressing
>>book about the death of Rock'n'Roll), and _Snow Crash_.
>>
>And _Glimpses_ by Lewis Shiner.
>
>There's a collection of sf about music called _Space Opera_. And a
>novel called _Space Opera_ by Jack Vance about an effort to bring
>high culture to aliens.
Some more r'and'r stories: "Do You Do You Wanna Dance" by Howard
Waldrop, another Waldrop story about acapella doo wop or something,
_Armageddon Rag_ by G. R. R. Martin.
--
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Rich Horton
Rucker) wrote:
>In article <370937...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za>, colin
><pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> wrote:
>
>>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>>help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Colin Payne
>
>"Fugue in Four Voices", Catherine Asaro(?), in a recent (last 2-3 years) Analog
YM, the Nebula-nominated "Aurora in Four Voices", more like in the
last 3-4 months (Dec actually). But it is a good choice for the
subject line.
Samuel Paik
> Has anyone mentioned Lloyd Biggle's books?
There's an idea for a NESFA choice book, a Biggle collection.
Heck, it would be worthwhile just to get "Monument" back into print.
Sam Paik
Danny Sichel
> >Jack McDevitt's "The Engines of God" deals with the search for meaning
> >in the artworks (statuary, sculptures) left behind by an alien race
> >referred to as 'the monument builders'.
> Art also plays a role in McDevitt's _A Talent for War_. Whilst
> researching the history/mythos of David Sim, the protagonist refers to
> a number of paintings, novels and dramas about the man.
*blink blink*
David Sim?
*The* David Sim?
LArrow
: colin wrote:
: > I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
: > science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
: > represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
: > help would be greatly appreciated.
Has anyone mentioned Lloyd Biggle's books? I can't recall the titles but
one deals with paintings putatively done by an alien slug (and other
animaloids?). There's another one out there about an alien art craze for
painted Earth cowflops. I think it's also by Biggle.
Rachel Brown
<avram-06049...@manhattan.crossover.com>...
> James Morrow's _The Continent of Lies_ is a novel about recordable
dreams.
Not exactly. It was closer to a form of virtual reality movies. There
were these apples you ate, and then experienced a narrative nearly
indistinguishable from reality. They didn't have much to do with dreams,
but IIRC they were called dream apples.
This is my favorite James Morrow book. He's written more sophisticated
books since, but nothing to beat the humor and wild inventiveness of this
one. Although I did have a problem with the ending...
HUGE SPOILER
... A fairly common problem in sf, in fact. It turns out that there is a
way to make dream apples that will drive you insane if you eat them. This
problem is resolved by banning all dream apples. Pardon my bogglement, but
ANYTHING can be made harmful. People were poisoned by Tylenol; we didn't
ban Tylenol. The resolution would have obviously made no sense if the mad
genius had poisoned the apples by injecting them with poison, but because
half the plot was spent finding out the ingenious way in which he managed
it, I guess it managed to slide by.
Rachel
Earl Pottinger
not quite follow. A puppeter told him it was done by an alien that see by
radio waves and it would be better to close his eyes and feel the art.
Earl Colby Pottinger
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>
Randolph Fritz
>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
The famous James Blish story, "A Work of Art," should certainly be
read in this connection--it has something to say about the nature of
creativity. Also, Blish wrote several essays on music and art in
sf--I believe most of them are collected in *Tale That Wags The God"
which, maybe, is available from NESFA press? Anyone remember?
Randolph
Nancy Lebovitz
Rachel Brown <r.ph...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Avram Grumer <av...@grumer.org> wrote in article
><avram-06049...@manhattan.crossover.com>...
>
>> James Morrow's _The Continent of Lies_ is a novel about recordable
>dreams.
>
>Not exactly. It was closer to a form of virtual reality movies. There
>were these apples you ate, and then experienced a narrative nearly
>indistinguishable from reality. They didn't have much to do with dreams,
>but IIRC they were called dream apples.
>
>This is my favorite James Morrow book. He's written more sophisticated
>books since, but nothing to beat the humor and wild inventiveness of this
>one. Although I did have a problem with the ending...
>
>HUGE SPOILER
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>... A fairly common problem in sf, in fact. It turns out that there is a
>way to make dream apples that will drive you insane if you eat them. This
That's pretty much what happened with tryptophan in the US--a bad batch
killed a few people and made some others very ill, and sale of the amino
acid (in pure form--you can still get it in turkey) was banned.
Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
R. Byers <rby...@u.washington.edu> spake:
>On 6 Apr 1999, Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes wrote:
Shirley you're joking? I'd have to be a real varleyt to screw that
up...
<sigh> I'd plead insanity, but that's pretty much a given.
-- <a href="http://kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu/~kamikaze/"> Mark Hughes </a>
Nancy Lebovitz
Danny Sichel <eds...@umoncton.ca> wrote:
>Roy Stilling wrote:
>
>> >Jack McDevitt's "The Engines of God" deals with the search for meaning
>> >in the artworks (statuary, sculptures) left behind by an alien race
>> >referred to as 'the monument builders'.
>
>> Art also plays a role in McDevitt's _A Talent for War_. Whilst
That reminds me--there's a collection of military sf about women (_Women
at War_?) whose last story is about a culture whose reason for fighting
is to preserve its artists.
Samuel Paik
> That reminds me--there's a collection of military sf about women (_Women
> at War_?) whose last story is about a culture whose reason for fighting
> is to preserve its artists.
Edited by Bujold. Last story by Elizabeth Moon. Very powerful.
Ero...@aol.com
sea...@wizvax.net wrote:
> Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 05 Apr 1999 09:40:15 -0400, Brenda <clo...@erols.com> wrote:
> >
> > >colin wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
> > >> science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
> > >> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
> > >> help would be greatly appreciated.
> > >>
> > >
> > >I assume you are defining "art" broadly, as in all creative endeavor.
> > >Cordwainer Smith wrote a dynamite story (someone who has had their
> > >morning coffee will kick in with the title any moment now) about a dance
> > >competition in the far future.
> >
> >
> > For music there's Norman Spinrad's "The Big Flash," a few stories by
> > Orson Scott Card, etc.
> >
> > But I'll assume this guy actually wanted painting, in which case let
> > me point out "The Portrait of Baron Negay," by Barry B. Longyear.
>
> And there's always the Star Wars novels featuring Admiral Thrawn, who
> analyzes the psychology of races through their art.
Or Lois M. Bujold's *Cetaganda*: "Should be quite a show. Ceremony as Art.
Hell, the Cetagandans make blowing your nose an art."
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>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
A good one is "The Country of the Kind" Damon Knight, a *very* radical
change in world of the arts (not wanting to spoil for those who've not
read)
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>Or Lois M. Bujold's *Cetaganda*: "Should be quite a show. Ceremony as Art.
>Hell, the Cetagandans make blowing your nose an art."
>
It is. Ask any little boy to demonstrate.
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Ahasuerus
> There was a UK hardcover. UK hardcover and paperback editions
> were both under the title TELEPATHIST.
Also, Walker did a hardcover reprint of _The Whole Man_ in 1969.
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>
> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
> science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
> help would be greatly appreciated.
"Sepulcher" by Ben Bova. Unless someone else has already mentioned it.
Bruce
Lee Ann Rucker
rrho...@concentric.net (Rich Horton) wrote:
>>"Fugue in Four Voices", Catherine Asaro(?), in a recent (last 2-3 years)
Analog
>
>YM, the Nebula-nominated "Aurora in Four Voices", more like in the
>last 3-4 months (Dec actually). But it is a good choice for the
>subject line.
That's it. I have Analogs all over the place, can't keep track of which
are new or old ;-)
Nebula-nominated? It deserves it.
David Given
_Wave Without a Shore_ by C.J.Cherryh. I *really* want to see that
sculpture.
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>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
One of the characters in John M. Ford's brilliant GROWING UP
WEIGHTLESS is an artist, and one of the viewpoint characters is a
composer.
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Zara Baxter
colin <pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> spake:
>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
In multiple ways, "Report on Prabability A" by Brian Aldiss is about
art, and the viewer. I still haven't decided if it's genius or trash
though. =)
Zara
Andrew C. Kursar
> Roy Stilling wrote:
>
> > Art also plays a role in McDevitt's _A Talent for War_. Whilst
> > researching the history/mythos of David Sim, the protagonist refers
> to
> > a number of paintings, novels and dramas about the man.
>
> *blink blink*
>
> David Sim?
>
> *The* David Sim?
If you mean the Lord of the Hemaphroditic
Heisenbergy Earth-Pigs, no, I don't think so.
Just a coincidence of naming. Although if
anybody's in touch with Mr. McDevitt, they
could ask him if he's familiar with Cerebus
the Aardvark.
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum
(ObQuote: "You wanted them to hang to
her knees."
"*Exactly*. . .I mean, *no*! Don't be
such a wiseass aardvark!")
Andrew C. Kursar
> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
> science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
> represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
> help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Colin Payne
Try "A Million Open Doors" by John Barnes. I
suspect this would be a very rich vein for you,
since the protagonist is a sort of "cultural
ambassador" to a staid and stoic
religiomechanistic society from a wildly
expressive and melodramatic one. In a similar
vein, longstanding classic "The Kindly Ones"
by Melissa Scott has some bits about
greek-tragedy-themed acting in a society
under great stresses, as well as holopuppets
for a tech example. And then there's always
the manchi plays in Cherryh's, uh, uh, um. . .
"Foreigner", er? Ah. Dammit. Oh well I'll go
look. . .no, I can't find the others. Well,
somebody around here will know. As to
AMOD by Barnes, see below:
<spoiler break>
Artistic expression classes of several kinds are
used as something like cultural
revolutionary-provocateur training grounds, and
there is quite a bit of reflection on creating art,
performing art, and living art. You should be
able to get some excellent stuff out of it.
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum
Christian Weisgerber
> I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
> science fiction.
Eric Brown usually casts artists as his protagonists and sets some/parts
of his stories in artist milieus.
Art turns out to be rather central to Poul Anderson's _The Byworlder_.
--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.rhein-neckar.de
See another pointless homepage at <URL:http://home.pages.de/~naddy/>.
Richard Treitel
>I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
>science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
>represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
My punishment for being away so long is that almost all the good ones
have already been mentioned, even unto Geston's _Mirror to the Sky_
(which I hereby praise). Kornbluth's short _With These Hands_ also
deserves a second mention, as does Blish's _A Work of Art_.
But I'll recall the little aside in _The City and the Stars_ where
Clarke suggests that a telepathic race might preserve the spoken word
just so that they could continue to enjoy choral music. (Though there's
an obvious objection to that.) And I'll insist loudly on Anderson's
short _The Critique of Impure Reason_, though I won't tell you what
happens in it, because I would regard that as a grievous spoiler. It's
about literary art.
Then there's the group Disaster Area in volume 2 of _tHhGttG_.
And just to be annoying, I'll toss in Aldiss' short _A Kind of Artistry_
and let others say whether they think it has anything to do with art.
-- Richard
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Geoff Wedig
> To my surprise and delight, colin <pync...@hiddingh.uct.ac.za> wrote:
> >I'm looking for any references related to representations of art in
> >science fiction. I'm writng a paper examing how science fiction
> >represents art, thereby looking at imagined futures for the arts. Any
> >help would be greatly appreciated.
Look up any books you can find by Lloyd Biggle, Jr. His stories are full of
a deep love and appreciation of art and the arts. Specifically, The Light
that Never Was and The Still, Small Voice of Trumpets (luckily, some ofthe
easier to find works) deal directly with art and what art means to people.
There's also a novella (published as one of the Tor Doubles with an Orson
Scott Card story within the last decade or so) whose title I can't recall
that deals with a future culture that's lost the sense of art in music.
He's also a smashing, if mostly forgotten, writer. Well worth the search!
Geoff