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From: thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:47:42 GMT
Local: Mon, Oct 15 2012 3:47 pm
Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?
: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
: Am I teaching physics here???

No, you're obfuscating the facts by cherrypicking and imagining.

: Wats the world coming too????

Indeed wat.

: I'll make it simple..

You mean, you'll make it misleading.
You suggest the sylogism,

    Einsteinium is an actinide.
    Some actinides are used in nuclear weapons.
    Therefore Einsteinium is used in nuclear weapons.

Whereas, in fact, it isn't.
But you'll keep trying to spread misinformation.  It's your thing.


 
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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:58:50 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

Read carefully

 Analysis of debris from a 1952 hydrogen bomb explosion showed the presence of Albert Einstein,  Einsteinium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actinide

Look at the picture on the right..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actinide

Einstein=BOOM


 
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From: thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:33:10 GMT
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?
: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
: Read carefully

Sure.

: Analysis of debris from a 1952 hydrogen bomb explosion showed the
: presence of Albert Einstein, Einsteinium.

Which, of course, does not imply einsteinium was *used* *in* the bomb.


 
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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:24:52 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

Wayne Throop wrote:

> : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> : Read carefully

> Sure.

> : Analysis of debris from a 1952 hydrogen bomb explosion showed the
> : presence of Albert Einstein, Einsteinium.

> Which, of course, does not imply einsteinium was *used* *in* the bomb.

read carefully...

"These are used in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actinide

Now, the first word you see in this sentense is the word "These".

"These are used in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actinide

meaning; These Actinides are used in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons.

Like 'these' apples.

or

These oranges.

Not this and this, but not that. These.

meaning, this and this and this and this.

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From: thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:00:27 GMT
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?
: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
: read carefully...

OK, sure.

: "These are used in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons."
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actinide

Yep.  Actinides.  "These are".  As in more than one actinide.
No indication that einsteinium was one of those used.
Which, indeed, it wasn't.

Or are you going to claim that *all* actinides must be used?
Well of course you aren't; you're just going to continue to
spread the same old disinformation.

    Einsteinium is an actinide.
    One or more bomb ingredients are actinides.
    Therefore, einstionium is a bomb ingredient.

which is just as valid as

    Humans are mammals.
    Dolphins are mammals.
    Therefore, humans are dolphins.


 
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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 01:10:20 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

Wayne Throop wrote:

> : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> : read carefully...

> OK, sure.

> : "These are used in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons."
> : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actinide

> Yep.  Actinides.  "These are".  As in more than one actinide.
> No indication that einsteinium was one of those used.

"indication"? What do you mean by ..."indication"? Are you looking for the
KFC reciepe? Or how to bake a pineapple cake? Or, you want the receipe to How To Build The Atomic Bomb?

> Which, indeed, it wasn't.

> Or are you going to claim that *all* actinides must be used?
> Well of course you aren't; you're just going to continue to
> spread the same old disinformation.

>     Einsteinium is an actinide.
>     One or more bomb ingredients are actinides.
>     Therefore, einstionium is a bomb ingredient.

To manufacture the stuff that makes bombs go boom...like from plutonium,

you need the 'secret receipe', the secret ingredient.

Do you want to know the name of that secret ingredient? It's named after Albert Einstein.

Einsteinium.

Einsteinium is the secret ingredient that is used in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons.

Don't tell anyone, it's a secret.

Here is a riddle...if 99 is Einstein, then 100 is Bada Bing Bada Boom.


 
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From: thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:27:53 GMT
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?
: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
: To manufacture the stuff that makes bombs go boom...like from
: plutonium, you need the 'secret receipe', the secret ingredient.

If so, the ingredient isn't einsteinium.


 
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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:00:23 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

Wayne Throop wrote:

> : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> : To manufacture the stuff that makes bombs go boom...like from
> : plutonium, you need the 'secret receipe', the secret ingredient.

> If so, the ingredient isn't einsteinium.

That translates to 'this, but not that'.  You don't know what "these" mean, do you?

 
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From: thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:37:37 GMT
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?
: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
: You don't know what "these" mean, do you?

I know it doesn't mean "all actinides".  
Because, in fact, all actinides aren't used.  For one good example,
einsteinium isn't.  Indeed, it's very important that einsteinium not
be used in bombs.  If it were, einsteinium's short half-life would mean
the bomb had a very very short shelf-life.

Now according iirc to the author of "The Curve of Binding Energy",
it is theoretically possible to build a bomb with the fissile
material being einsteinium.  It would allow you to build very
very small bombs, typically with very very low yields.
But it isn't done in practice, and einsteinium is not now,
and never has been, a necessary ingredient in bombs.


 
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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:09:43 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

Wayne Throop wrote:

> : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> : You don't know what "these" mean, do you?

> I know it doesn't mean "all actinides".
> Because, in fact, all actinides aren't used.  

No one said "all actinides", except You!

You're the one with the ....personality disorder.


 
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From: thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 00:27:06 GMT
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?
: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
: No one said "all actinides", except You!

Good of you to agree that your evidence doesn't demonstrate einsteinium use.


 
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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:20:16 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

Wayne Throop wrote:

> : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> : No one said "all actinides", except You!

> Good of you to agree that your evidence doesn't demonstrate einsteinium use.

For one, einsteinium 99 was *used/use* to produce element 101.

 
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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:49:30 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

The Starmaker wrote:

> Wayne Throop wrote:

> > : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> > : No one said "all actinides", except You!

> > Good of you to agree that your evidence doesn't demonstrate einsteinium use.

> For one, einsteinium 99 was *used/use* to produce element 101.

...also, einsteinium is use/used in scientific research

and how could you forget

 "These are used in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons."
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actinide

Of course, you're free to give your 'usual response'  and say

"IT'S WRONG!!!"

Go ahead, show everyone the knucklehead you really are.

Say the wikipedia information is wrong.

on another note..

You know what really really bothered Albert Einstein most of all?

What really really bothered Albert Einstein most of all?

What he feels is his biggest disapointment of his life?

That he didn't get to *kill* any Germans.

All that work he put into building the atomic bomb, and for what?

Not one single hair of a German got to taste...einsteinium.

Albert Einstein asked Enrico Fermi "What should we call our 'new extremely powerful bomb'?

Enrico Fermi said:  "How about bada bing bada BOOM!!!"


 
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From: thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 18:23:44 GMT
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?
: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
: and how could you forget
: "These are used in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons."
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actinide

How could you keep claiming that that statement means that einsteinium
is used in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons?

I suspect it's because you're fundamentall dishonest.


 
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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 20:35:42 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

Wayne Throop wrote:

> : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> : and how could you forget
> : "These are used in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons."
> : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actinide

> How could you keep claiming that that statement means that einsteinium
> is used in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons?

Okay, I'll make it simple and short...

Einsteinium is used in Nuclear Reactors.

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From: thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 04:09:44 GMT
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?
: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
: Einsteinium is used in Nuclear Reactors.

For what, exactly?  It certainly wasn't used in the first nuclear
reactors, since it didn't really exist until there were neutron fluxes
strong enough to create significant amounts of it.

So clearly it doesn't *need* to be used.  Why would would anybody use it?


 
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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:25:33 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

Wayne Throop wrote:

> : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> : Einsteinium is used in Nuclear Reactors.

> For what, exactly?  It certainly wasn't used in the first nuclear
> reactors, since it didn't really exist until there were neutron fluxes
> strong enough to create significant amounts of it.

> So clearly it doesn't *need* to be used.  Why would would anybody use it?

For one, it's used to make...other elements.

 
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From: thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 18:20:35 GMT
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?
: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
: For one, it's used to make...other elements.

Sure, why not.  Doesn't help the operation of the reactor one whit, though.
Is neither necessary nor sufficient to make a reactor functional.
Same with bombs.


 
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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:45:42 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

Wayne Throop wrote:

> : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> : For one, it's used to make...other elements.

> Sure, why not.  Doesn't help the operation of the reactor one whit, though.
> Is neither necessary nor sufficient to make a reactor functional.
> Same with bombs.

what do they use to make other elements from einsteinium, a microwave
oven?

 
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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 23:03:54 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?
Here is a picure of abert einstein's room untouched after he died.

See the book all the way to the right on the book shelf?
title: All The Atoms in the Family

All about The Atomic Bomb. (the making and the selling)

What else could he probably be interested in reading?
http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Albert_Einstein/einsteins_room.jpg

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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 23:46:47 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

According to Albert Einstein's instructions on his drawing of this bomb..
http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Albert_Einstein/bomb3.jpg

it automatically explodes where you want it, when you want it to explode.
http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Albert_Einstein/bomb3.jpg

You'll need a remote starter for your car with guys like him around...

The Starmaker

How many bombs did this guy designed? Bombs to kill....people?

(pacifist) someone opposed to bombs as a means of settling disputes.

Give me a break..how stupid can you people be?

http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Albert_Einstein/bomb1.jpg
http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Albert_Einstein/bomb2.jpg
http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Albert_Einstein/bomb3.jpg


 
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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 23:53:36 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

The Starmaker wrote:

> Here is a picure of abert einstein's room untouched after he died.

> See the book all the way to the right on the book shelf?
> title: All The Atoms in the Family

> All about The Atomic Bomb. (the making and the selling)

> What else could he probably be interested in reading?
> http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Albert_Einstein/einsteins_room.jpg

I notice a book on Philosophy on his desk...
http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Albert_Einstein/einsteins_room.jpg

i guess he was seeking 'answers'...elsewhere.

Really, ...relativity is not physics, it's really Philosophy, isn't it?

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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:04:24 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

Of course i don't understand what's writen on the blackboard...
http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Albert_Einstein/einsteins_room.jpg

it looks like something out of a Martian movie
http://twolftfeet.com/books/day-the-earth-stood-still-equation.jpg

those guys write like they are from Mars.

What is it, some kind of illness? A genetic error that makes people write and talk "Martian"? I
understand only a few Martians exist on this earth of this type...maybe they arrived on some..
some...rock from mars...that landed here on earth..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t87PHGkOQds

 BOBBY:                   I'll bet that's the way Professor
                         Barnhardt talks.


 
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From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:18:32 -0700
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Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

Of course, the charater  of Professor Barhart is based on Albert Einstein...
it might look like him, but it certaintly don't sound like Albert Einstein:
http://www.pictureshowman.com/images/articles/Articles_graphics/Day_E...

Professor BARNHARDT: I wouldn't want you to harm anybody --
                         or destroy anything.

---

                                   BARNHARDT
                         Would such, a demonstration be
                         possible before the meeting?

                                     KLAATU
                         Yes -- of course.

                                     BARNHARDT
                         Something that would dramatize for
                         them and for their people the
                         seriousness of the situation.
                         Something that would affect the entire
                         planet.

                                     KLAATU
                              (with a nod)
                         That can easily be arranged.

                                     BARNHARDT
                              (frightened by his
                              easy assumption of
                              infinite power)
                         I wouldn't want you to harm anybody --
                         or destroy anything.

                                     KLAATU
                              (easily)
                         Why don't you leave it to me? I'll
                         think of something.

                                     BARNHARDT
                              (with a nervous half-
                              smile)
                         Maybe a little demonstration.

                                     KLAATU
                              (thinking about it)
                         Something dramatic -- but not
                         destructive.
                              (intellectually amused)
                         It's quite an interesting problem.
                              (Barnhardt nods vaguely)
                         Would day after tomorrow be all right?
                         Say about noon?

Boy! Did they get this guy wrong!! Make him look like a saint in that movie...it's only a movie.

The *real* Professor BARNHARDT wanted to harm people and destroy anything!

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 More options Oct 22 2012, 7:09 pm
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, misc.writing.screenplays
From: The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:09:58 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 22 2012 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: Who Built The Atomic Bomb?

Strange movie...KLAATU
the alien from another planet
shows up on earth because
somebody is building atomic bombs...

and who does he want to talk too?  Professor BARNHARDT!

All KLAATU had to do was kill Professor BARNHARDT and
all the problems of the universe would have been solved!!

                                   KLAATU
                              (with some bitterness)
                         ...
                         We know from scientific observation
                         that you have discovered a rudimentary
                         kind of atomic energy. We also know
                         that you are experimenting with
                         rockets.

                                     BARNHARDT
                         Yes -- that is true.

                                     KLAATU
                         In the hands of a mature civilization,
                         these would not be considered weapons
                         of aggression. But in the hands of
                         your people--
                              (he shrugs and shakes
                              his head)
                         We've observed your aggressive
                         tendencies, and we don't trust you
                         with such power.

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