> I don't know what your experience with the police has been in the past, > but you must not let the actions of the few who make the headlines
That may be, but the "many" constantly and continuously close ranks in that "blue wall" around those "few".
So long as they continue to do that, and still yet refuse to clean house, those "many" share the same guilt and deserve the same condemnation as those "few".
In message <874qkpp76l....@gondolin.bb.bawue.de>, Jens Kilian <j...@acm.org> writes
>Vimes is not, fundamentally, a good person.
Vimes is fundamentally a person. He fears he may be a bad person because he knows what he thinks rather than just what he says and does. He chokes off those little reactions and impulses, but he knows what they are. So he tries to act like a good person, often in situations where the map is unclear.
; Jeffrey Kaplan <r...@gordol.org> writes: ; > ; > I don't know what your experience with the police has been in the past, ; > but you must not let the actions of the few who make the headlines ; ; That may be, but the "many" constantly and continuously close ranks ; in that "blue wall" around those "few".
Again, it's not everyone, and yes, those who do close ranks around the bad few do share the guilt.
; So long as they continue to do that, and still yet refuse to clean ; house, those "many" share the same guilt and deserve the same ; condemnation as those "few".
Ever hear of Internal Affairs?
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Jeffrey Kaplan <r...@gordol.org> writes: > Begin Mark Atwood quote:
> ; Jeffrey Kaplan <r...@gordol.org> writes: > ; > > ; > I don't know what your experience with the police has been in the past, > ; > but you must not let the actions of the few who make the headlines > ; > ; That may be, but the "many" constantly and continuously close ranks > ; in that "blue wall" around those "few".
> Again, it's not everyone, and yes, those who do close ranks around the > bad few do share the guilt.
And the ones who dont call out those who are doing so, also share in it.
> ; So long as they continue to do that, and still yet refuse to clean > ; house, those "many" share the same guilt and deserve the same > ; condemnation as those "few".
> Ever hear of Internal Affairs?
And how does the average cop feel about Internal Affairs?
; > ; So long as they continue to do that, and still yet refuse to clean ; > ; house, those "many" share the same guilt and deserve the same ; > ; condemnation as those "few". ; > ; > Ever hear of Internal Affairs? ; ; And how does the average cop feel about Internal Affairs?
Hates them, usually. For roughly the same reason why you don't seem to like the regular police.
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"Mike Schilling" <mscottschill...@hotmail.com> writes: > "Mark Atwood" <m...@pobox.com> wrote in message
>> And how does the average cop feel about Internal Affairs?
> How does the average programmer feel about QA? The good ones like it, the > tougher the better, but the mediocre ones resent it bitterly.
I consider it a point of personal and professional pride to almost never have anything I write get caught in QA.
I consider it a source of professional pleasure to find bugs in other people's code faster than QA can, via idle static eyeball code inspection. Especially if I can look at it, construct the "how to duplicate" in my head, file the bug in the tracking system, and have it turn into a full day "oh shit, where did *that* P2 come from" over in QA.
Somehow I doubt that doing something similar as a cop would yield a long and happy life.
In article <m2u0snsgpq....@amsu.fallenpegasus.com>, Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> writes
>Jeffrey Kaplan <r...@gordol.org> writes: >> Ever hear of Internal Affairs?
>And how does the average cop feel about Internal Affairs?
Diverging off here, but does anyone think there could be a good TV cop series based around Internal Affairs? I envisage something like a cop discovering corruption in his department, going it alone to solve it and after he does he finds himself shunned by regular cops because of the Blue Wall so he neds up joining IA... -- Email me via nojay (at) nojay (dot) fsnet (dot) co (dot) uk This address no longer accepts HTML posts.
> In article <m2u0snsgpq....@amsu.fallenpegasus.com>, Mark Atwood > <m...@pobox.com> writes >>Jeffrey Kaplan <r...@gordol.org> writes:
>>> Ever hear of Internal Affairs?
>>And how does the average cop feel about Internal Affairs?
> Diverging off here, but does anyone think there could be a good TV cop > series based around Internal Affairs? I envisage something like a cop > discovering corruption in his department, going it alone to solve it and > after he does he finds himself shunned by regular cops because of the Blue > Wall so he neds up joining IA...
There was a terrific show called "EZ Streets", one of whose main plot lines was similar to this. Only lasted about five episodes, though.
Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote: >"Mike Schilling" <mscottschill...@hotmail.com> writes: >> "Mark Atwood" <m...@pobox.com> wrote in message >> How does the average programmer feel about QA? The good ones like it, the >> tougher the better, but the mediocre ones resent it bitterly.
>I consider it a point of personal and professional pride to almost >never have anything I write get caught in QA.
Yeah. Don't think my team ever got to "no bugs period" but we had low number. Say, 6 for 3000 or 6000 lines of code. That's for release to QA, while Wiki says 0.5/1000 is standard for commerical release from QA. Okay, that doesn't make me feel that good. But we were releasing every 6 weeks and were down to a couple years experience per core programmer.
What I did get to be proud of was fast bug-fixing. Find bug, report bug, fix bug. I figured if you had enough or long-lived enough bugs to need a tracking system something was wrong. The 24-48 hour response cycle of the MySQL team was inspiring.
Hates bugs, hates them I do. Live or cyber.
>Somehow I doubt that doing something similar as a cop would yield >a long and happy life.
The response of prosecutors to learning of bugs in their system, such as convicts who DNA evidence and later confessions from real culprits say aren't guilty of the crime for which they were convicted, is not inspiring.
Jeffrey Kaplan <r...@gordol.org> writes: > ; Vimes is not, fundamentally, a good person. He is a career policeman; and
> The two are not mutually exclusive and I personally resent the unsubtle > implication. My mother was a career cop I defy you to find a better > person, in or out of a police uniform.
I'm sorry for being ambiguous. I did NOT want to imply a causal connection between being a police officer and not being a good person; I intended to comment just on Vimes, specifically.
> I don't know what your experience with the police has been in the past,
I have never had any experience with the police, but I have the highest respect for them. (In Germany, they have a MUCH better reputation than in the US; except for recent unpleasantnesses in a few large cities, they are still "friends and helpers" to the majority of the population.)
> ; policemen have the unfortunate tendency to pick up bad habits from their > ; "customers".
That was also much too general. Consider me chastised.
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