Re: Things we remember...
Butch Malahide
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> Butch Malahide wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 7:18 pm, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
> > <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >> Butch Malahide wrote:
> >>> Anyway, I *always* carry cash, just in
> >>> case I get mugged.
> >> WTF? Seriously, *W* *T* *F*???
>
> >> I've never been mugged (had one person try, long, long ago, when I
> >> tried to cut through an alley in the middle of NYC),
>
> > That happened to me once, 40-odd years ago, an attempted mugging in
> > Berkeley. If it happens today, I'll just hand over the money.
> > Politely.
>
> And I'll say "I don't carry money. Try Butch, over there, I hear he
> carries money just in case he's mugged!"
>
>
>
> >> and if I had a
> >> thought that I *might* be likely to be mugged, that's when I'd choose
> >> NOT to carry anything of value at all.
>
> > Muggers tend to be irascible sorts. I, for one, would not want to
> > irasce a young man who is stronger and more agile than me, unburdened
> > by a scrupulous conscience, and maybe carrying a gun or a knife.
> > Muggers tend to get *angry* when their victim has empty pockets. They
> > have been known to *kill* for less reason than that. I would give up
> > my life to save my children, but to save fifty dollars? WTF?
>
> I'm not going to carry around money for some potential mugger donation
> fund; that's one of the silliest things I've ever heard.
I can't help it, I'm a silly person. This is not the time to tell you
about my contingency plans in case of alien abduction.
> THe likelihood
> of my being mugged is very low,
Should I drive around with an uninflated spare because the likelihood
of a flat is low? My house hasn't caught fire in 30 years, I guess it
would be silly to put batteries in the smoke detectors.
> and the likelihood of a mugger killing
> you is also relatively low even if they ARE disappointed,
How low is that? How low is it if you include the event of serious but
nonlethal injury? Even if I just get my glasses broken, it's not clear
that I'm coming out ahead by not carrying money.
> unless you
> look weak and vulnerable, which I don't.
Could you handle a pair of hoodla? A hoodlum armed with a knife or
gun?
ObSF: The early sci-fi writer Cyrano de Bergerac is said to have
single-handedly routed a pack of sword-wielding thugs. However, I
don't think he could have done it if he didn't have a sword himself.
erilar
<a22a62a7-2fbd-413a...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
> ObSF: The early sci-fi writer Cyrano de Bergerac is said to have
> single-handedly routed a pack of sword-wielding thugs. However, I
> don't think he could have done it if he didn't have a sword himself
You can do interesting things with a cane if you know how, including
some disarms.
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Don Aitken
<dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>In article
><a22a62a7-2fbd-413a...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
> Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ObSF: The early sci-fi writer Cyrano de Bergerac is said to have
>> single-handedly routed a pack of sword-wielding thugs. However, I
>> don't think he could have done it if he didn't have a sword himself
>
>You can do interesting things with a cane if you know how, including
>some disarms.
I have a soft spot for the quarterstaff (in theory; I've never
actually tried one). It is said that a quarterstaff should beat a
sword at least 90% of the time. A person who has not faced one before
is doomed; they never realise quickly enough that you have to look out
for *both* ends. It has the advantage that it doesn't *look* like a
weapon and is probably legal everywhere. The main disadvantage is that
it requires quite a lot of strength.
--
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Mail to the From: address is not read.
To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com"
erilar
Don Aitken <don-a...@freeuk.com> wrote:
> I have a soft spot for the quarterstaff (in theory; I've never
> actually tried one). It is said that a quarterstaff should beat a
> sword at least 90% of the time. A person who has not faced one before
> is doomed; they never realise quickly enough that you have to look out
> for *both* ends. It has the advantage that it doesn't *look* like a
> weapon and is probably legal everywhere. The main disadvantage is that
> it requires quite a lot of strength.
Not necessarily as much as you might think. Leverage also counts 8-) I
don't use my big staff in cities, however. On the other hand, I don't
use sidewalks in cities after dark, either.
Tim McDaniel
I've heard that everyone has a soft spot for the quarterstaff.
If the spot isn't soft before the quarterstaff hits it,
it will be afterwards.
--
Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com
Anthony Nance
> In article <i5aef5ho4eprhalig...@4ax.com>,
> Don Aitken <don-a...@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>I have a soft spot for the quarterstaff
>
> I've heard that everyone has a soft spot for the quarterstaff.
> If the spot isn't soft before the quarterstaff hits it,
> it will be afterwards.
Heh!
Which quite appropriately reminds me of:
Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin!
Yoicks and away,
Tony
David DeLaney
>Tim McDaniel <tm...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Don Aitken <don-a...@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>I have a soft spot for the quarterstaff
>>
>> I've heard that everyone has a soft spot for the quarterstaff.
>> If the spot isn't soft before the quarterstaff hits it,
>> it will be afterwards.
>
>Heh!
>
>Which quite appropriately reminds me of:
>Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin!
>
>Yoicks and away,
Which in turn reminds me of the recent
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1900/fc01803.htm
It's a pity that Freefall hasn't had enough time yet, really, to become a
memorable cultural icon...
Dave
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Mike Ash
d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
> Anthony Nance <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> >Tim McDaniel <tm...@panix.com> wrote:
> >> Don Aitken <don-a...@freeuk.com> wrote:
> >>>I have a soft spot for the quarterstaff
> >>
> >> I've heard that everyone has a soft spot for the quarterstaff.
> >> If the spot isn't soft before the quarterstaff hits it,
> >> it will be afterwards.
> >
> >Heh!
> >
> >Which quite appropriately reminds me of:
> >Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin!
> >
> >Yoicks and away,
>
> Which in turn reminds me of the recent
> http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1900/fc01803.htm
>
> It's a pity that Freefall hasn't had enough time yet, really, to become a
> memorable cultural icon...
And thus I discover that my Freefall RSS feed hasn't been updating since
September.
Normally I would thank you, but this is a bad time for me to read
through two months' of back comics, so instead I'm going to have to hate
you.
And then go read them anyway.
--
Mike Ash
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Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
Juho Julkunen
Mike Ash (mi...@mikeash.com) says...
You don't have to do it in one go:
Oh. They don't have Freefall. Never mind.
--
Juho Julkunen
Dorothy J Heydt
But the regular site has a complete archive _ab initio_.
--
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Vallejo, California
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Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
Mike Ash
> In article <mike-53D770.1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Mike Ash (mi...@mikeash.com) says...
> > And thus I discover that my Freefall RSS feed hasn't been updating since
> > September.
> >
> > Normally I would thank you, but this is a bad time for me to read
> > through two months' of back comics, so instead I'm going to have to hate
> > you.
> >
> > And then go read them anyway.
>
> You don't have to do it in one go:
>
> http://www.archivebinge.net/
>
> Oh. They don't have Freefall. Never mind.
Cool site anyway. Maybe this is how I can finally get into Girl Genius.
So, I discovered that my Freefall feed (from comicalert.com) is broken
because that entire site is down indefinitely. I can't find any others.
Anyone happen to know of one?
Dorothy J Heydt
Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com> wrote:
>In article <MPG.25682d112...@news.kolumbus.fi>,
> Juho Julkunen <giao...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <mike-53D770.1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Mike Ash (mi...@mikeash.com) says...
>> > And thus I discover that my Freefall RSS feed hasn't been updating since
>> > September.
>> >
>> > Normally I would thank you, but this is a bad time for me to read
>> > through two months' of back comics, so instead I'm going to have to hate
>> > you.
>> >
>> > And then go read them anyway.
>>
>> You don't have to do it in one go:
>>
>> http://www.archivebinge.net/
>>
>> Oh. They don't have Freefall. Never mind.
>
>Cool site anyway. Maybe this is how I can finally get into Girl Genius.
>
>So, I discovered that my Freefall feed (from comicalert.com) is broken
>because that entire site is down indefinitely. I can't find any others.
>Anyone happen to know of one?
This is their site. If you have Web access at all, it shouldn't
be a problem.
Mike Ash
djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> In article <mike-53260F.2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com> wrote:
> >In article <MPG.25682d112...@news.kolumbus.fi>,
> > Juho Julkunen <giao...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <mike-53D770.1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> Mike Ash (mi...@mikeash.com) says...
> >> > And thus I discover that my Freefall RSS feed hasn't been updating since
> >> > September.
> >> >
> >> > Normally I would thank you, but this is a bad time for me to read
> >> > through two months' of back comics, so instead I'm going to have to hate
> >> > you.
> >> >
> >> > And then go read them anyway.
> >>
> >> You don't have to do it in one go:
> >>
> >> http://www.archivebinge.net/
> >>
> >> Oh. They don't have Freefall. Never mind.
> >
> >Cool site anyway. Maybe this is how I can finally get into Girl Genius.
> >
> >So, I discovered that my Freefall feed (from comicalert.com) is broken
> >because that entire site is down indefinitely. I can't find any others.
> >Anyone happen to know of one?
>
> This is their site. If you have Web access at all, it shouldn't
> be a problem.
>
> http://freefall.purrsia.com/
That does me pretty much no good as far as getting the thing into my RSS
reader, since there are no links to any RSS feeds. And if it's not in my
RSS reader, it might as well not exist, as far as periodically-updated
web content goes.
Wayne Throop
:: broken because that entire site is down indefinitely. I can't find
:: any others. Anyone happen to know of one?
: djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
: This is their site. If you have Web access at all, it shouldn't be a
: problem.
Yes, but they don't seem to have an rss feed (or if they do, I can't
find it; not that I use rss much, myself, yet). The issue was about
trying to catch up a huge chunk of archive all at once. The suggested
solutions were aimed at finding a feed that would dole out some reasonable
number of strips a day, using rss or something similar, to avoid the
temptation to eat the whle box of oreos in one sitting. And once caught
up, maintain an rss feed at the underlying rate of update. Or at least,
that's how I interpreted the subthread... rss noob that I am.
Although.... I'm not sure I'd call two months "a big chunk" really.
What, 24 strips or so? Eh. A few minutes light reading. Maybe a bit
longer if you savor each strip.
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Wayne Throop
: That does me pretty much no good as far as getting the thing into my RSS
: RSS reader, it might as well not exist, as far as periodically-updated
: web content goes.
Hm. Seems like "access a raw web sute via an rss reader by polling
the site at suitable intervals to see if it's been updated" would be
an easy and obvious plugin to exist somewhere. If nothing else, a
suitable script could spoof being an rss feed originating on localhost.
Wayne Throop
:: RSS reader, since there are no links to any RSS feeds.
: Hm. Seems like "access a raw web sute via an rss reader by polling
: the site at suitable intervals to see if it's been updated" would be
: an easy and obvious plugin to exist somewhere.
Hrm. http://www.thewebcomiclist.com/ seems to have rss capability
to track both updates to the list of commics it indexes, and updates
to comics in the index. But I'm not sure I follow how to use it.
Dorothy J Heydt
Wayne Throop
: Dear me. You don't have Web access?
Of course he does. "RSS reader" implies web access.
It's a matter of organization. If the web page updates periodically,
and doesn't offer the standard way of being reminded of updates,
it takes prohibitively much of his attention to track it "by hand".
David DeLaney
> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>> Anthony Nance <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>> >Heh!
>> >
>> >Which quite appropriately reminds me of:
>> >Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin!
>> >
>> >Yoicks and away,
>>
>> Which in turn reminds me of the recent
>> http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1900/fc01803.htm
>>
>> It's a pity that Freefall hasn't had enough time yet, really, to become a
>> memorable cultural icon...
>
>And thus I discover that my Freefall RSS feed hasn't been updating since
>September.
>
>Normally I would thank you, but this is a bad time for me to read
>through two months' of back comics, so instead I'm going to have to hate you.
>
>And then go read them anyway.
my work here is done
again
Dave "NEXT!" DeLaney
Dorothy J Heydt
>: djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>: Dear me. You don't have Web access?
>
>Of course he does. "RSS reader" implies web access.
>It's a matter of organization. If the web page updates periodically,
>and doesn't offer the standard way of being reminded of updates,
>it takes prohibitively much of his attention to track it "by hand".
Uh .....
Okay, if you say so. I have about twenty-five webcomics
bookmarked, and I just run through the list every day. Some
(e.g., Freefall) update MWF, so that's when I click on them.
Some (e.g., The Watering Hole) update TTh. Doesn't take me very
long.
Wayne Throop
: Okay, if you say so. I have about twenty-five webcomics
: bookmarked, and I just run through the list every day. Some
: (e.g., Freefall) update MWF, so that's when I click on them.
: Some (e.g., The Watering Hole) update TTh. Doesn't take me very
: long.
Oh, I'm with you. I don't use RSS either. I toyed around with it,
but it didn't seem worthwhile, because I only follow a few tens of
updating-things by the web (as opposed to using it for reference, or
shopping, or whatnot, that doesn't require taking note of updates).
But some folks do, and it *does* organize access to irregularly updated
sutff (or multiple regularly-but-unsynchronizedly-updated stuff).
But if you're following leventy-seven blogs and another leventy-thirteen
announcement sites, and so on and on... well, it's more efficient than
bookmarks for that sort of thing. Basically, you get "I've read that"
and "I haven't read that yet" indications for all the things you follow,
almost as if it were a mega-large customized-for-you newsgroup.
Basically, a poor man's usenet, simulated with XML and web accesses.
and without the flooding and zillions of mirrored copies of things.
Or at least that captures some sort of a gist of it.
David Goldfarb
Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com> wrote:
>> http://freefall.purrsia.com/
>
>That does me pretty much no good as far as getting the thing into my RSS
>reader, since there are no links to any RSS feeds. And if it's not in my
>RSS reader, it might as well not exist, as far as periodically-updated
>web content goes.
It looks like there's a link from that site to a service that will email
you new strips when they go up.
--
David Goldfarb |"Obviously proud of knowing a word I didn't know,
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu |Horace carefully repeated, 'Meretricious!'.
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu |Whereupon I replied, 'And a happy new year to you.'"
| -- Isaac Asimov
Mike Ash
wrote:
I'm all caught up now. The problem becomes, how do I *stay* caught up?
Mike Ash
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote:
> In article <mike-96ED6C.2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com> wrote:
> >> http://freefall.purrsia.com/
> >
> >That does me pretty much no good as far as getting the thing into my RSS
> >reader, since there are no links to any RSS feeds. And if it's not in my
> >RSS reader, it might as well not exist, as far as periodically-updated
> >web content goes.
>
> It looks like there's a link from that site to a service that will email
> you new strips when they go up.
I find that idea to be somewhat distasteful, but that may end up being
the best option.
Mike Ash
I have no expectation that you would know what "RSS reader" and "RSS
feed" are. Hey, they're pretty niche technologies. But shouldn't an SF
fan at least be able to recognize that they're significant words that
they don't know the meaning of, and either try to pick up the meaning
from context or ask the person what they are, rather than ignoring them?
In short: I have web access just fine, but that does me, personally,
little good for remembering to check something that updates three times
a week.
Mike Ash
> : Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com>
I've written web-scraping RSS generator scripts before. BeautifulSoup
and Py2RSSGen in Python make the job fairly easy, but still more work
than I'd like.
Mike Ash
> :: That does me pretty much no good as far as getting the thing into my
As best I can tell, it will give you a feed for every comic they list,
all together, but they don't have individual feeds for each comic
separately.
Jo'Asia
> In short: I have web access just fine, but that does me, personally,
> little good for remembering to check something that updates three times
> a week.
In SeaMonkey I can set up an update check on a bookmark - may be your
browser has this "RSS emulation" feature as well?
Jo'Asia
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>
> So, I discovered that my Freefall feed (from comicalert.com) is broken
> because that entire site is down indefinitely. I can't find any others.
> Anyone happen to know of one?
Has been a reliable RSS comic feed for me & has Freefall.
- W. Citoan
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Derek Lyons
>In article <12581...@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop <thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>>: djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>>: Dear me. You don't have Web access?
>>
>>Of course he does. "RSS reader" implies web access.
>>It's a matter of organization. If the web page updates periodically,
>>and doesn't offer the standard way of being reminded of updates,
>>it takes prohibitively much of his attention to track it "by hand".
>
>Uh .....
>
>Okay, if you say so. I have about twenty-five webcomics
>bookmarked, and I just run through the list every day. Some
>(e.g., Freefall) update MWF, so that's when I click on them.
>Some (e.g., The Watering Hole) update TTh. Doesn't take me very
>long.
Tabbed browsing saves you from having to remember which thing updates
on which day.
D.
--
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http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/
-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL
Dorothy J Heydt
Derek Lyons <fair...@gmail.com> wrote:
>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>>In article <12581...@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop <thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>>>: djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>>>: Dear me. You don't have Web access?
>>>
>>>Of course he does. "RSS reader" implies web access.
>>>It's a matter of organization. If the web page updates periodically,
>>>and doesn't offer the standard way of being reminded of updates,
>>>it takes prohibitively much of his attention to track it "by hand".
>>
>>Uh .....
>>
>>Okay, if you say so. I have about twenty-five webcomics
>>bookmarked, and I just run through the list every day. Some
>>(e.g., Freefall) update MWF, so that's when I click on them.
>>Some (e.g., The Watering Hole) update TTh. Doesn't take me very
>>long.
>
>Tabbed browsing saves you from having to remember which thing updates
>on which day.
Awk!
I am old and my memory is going, but it has not gone so far that
I would forget that Freefall is MWF, The Watering Hole TTh, Afterlife
Blues theoretically TF but in practice whenever-the-artist-is-feeling-
well-enough.
As a function of being old and the mental faculties going, it is
a heckuva lot easier for me to remember those little (updated
several times a week) memories than to learn how tabbed browsing
(whatever "tabbed" means in this context) is supposed to work.
And yes, I have seen the acronym RSS, but I have no clue what it
means, and if you tell me I shall forget it.
David DeLaney
>Derek Lyons <fair...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Tabbed browsing saves you from having to remember which thing updates
>>on which day.
>
>Awk!
Grep!
>I am old and my memory is going, but it has not gone so far that
>I would forget that Freefall is MWF, The Watering Hole TTh, Afterlife
>Blues theoretically TF but in practice whenever-the-artist-is-feeling-
>well-enough.
I simply note the update days in the name I've given the bookmark.
"Girl Genius - MWF". "The noob - very irreg". "In His Likeness - SuWF". That
sort of thing.
>than to learn how tabbed browsing
>(whatever "tabbed" means in this context) is supposed to work.
I think he's talking about "I use Firefox or Safari or the like, and open each
webcomic in a separate tab, and leave eleventy-nine tabs open, and go across
them one by one and refresh each one"?
Dave
Kurt Busiek
> In article <4b00f15a....@news.supernews.com>,
> Derek Lyons <fair...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <12581...@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop <thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>>>> : djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>>>> : Dear me. You don't have Web access?
>>>>
>>>> Of course he does. "RSS reader" implies web access.
>>>> It's a matter of organization. If the web page updates periodically,
>>>> and doesn't offer the standard way of being reminded of updates,
>>>> it takes prohibitively much of his attention to track it "by hand".
>>>
>>> Uh .....
>>>
>>> Okay, if you say so. I have about twenty-five webcomics
>>> bookmarked, and I just run through the list every day. Some
>>> (e.g., Freefall) update MWF, so that's when I click on them.
>>> Some (e.g., The Watering Hole) update TTh. Doesn't take me very
>>> long.
>>
>> Tabbed browsing saves you from having to remember which thing updates
>> on which day.
>
> Awk!
>
> I am old and my memory is going, but it has not gone so far that
> I would forget that Freefall is MWF, The Watering Hole TTh, Afterlife
> Blues theoretically TF but in practice whenever-the-artist-is-feeling-
> well-enough.
Maybe, but I suspect the "you" here is generic. There are other who
follow many more than 25 strips, and don't keep immediate track of when
they update, which is why other systems than relying on memory are
useful to them.
I use Google Reader for whatever I want to follow that I can get that
way, because I follow some stuff that updates on no pattern I can
figure out.
kdb
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Dorothy J Heydt
David DeLaney <d...@vic.com> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>Derek Lyons <fair...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Tabbed browsing saves you from having to remember which thing updates
>>>on which day.
>>
>>Awk!
>
>Grep!
>
>>I am old and my memory is going, but it has not gone so far that
>>I would forget that Freefall is MWF, The Watering Hole TTh, Afterlife
>>Blues theoretically TF but in practice whenever-the-artist-is-feeling-
>>well-enough.
>
>I simply note the update days in the name I've given the bookmark.
>"Girl Genius - MWF". "The noob - very irreg". "In His Likeness - SuWF". That
>sort of thing.
>
>>than to learn how tabbed browsing
>>(whatever "tabbed" means in this context) is supposed to work.
>
>I think he's talking about "I use Firefox or Safari or the like, and open each
>webcomic in a separate tab, and leave eleventy-nine tabs open, and go across
>them one by one and refresh each one"?
God bless my soul.
I understand less now than I did before.
I use IE mostly (because I had to use it in around 1999, and it
worked, and I don't feel like moving all my bookmarks), and
Firefox for a couple of things like I Can Haz Cheezburger because
it takes too long to load on IE. But these tab things, I
understand not.
But it sounds like a whole lot more fuss and bother than just
clicking on one bookmark after another.
Wayne Throop
: But these tab things, I understand not.
: clicking on one bookmark after another.
In this case, yeah, pretty much. Trying to open 25 tabs is a bit
excessive and clumsy, and I'm speaking as a person who routinely has 30
or so windows open at a time.
( a "tab" is just a lightweight window, pretty much... in terms of
web browsing, each tab has its own history of which pages it loaded,
so you can click "back" to a different place depending on which tab
you are using; oh,and firefox can offer to re-open all your tabs on
restart, so I suppose that gives you a quick way to get the page
loading out of the way quickly )
( fwiw, the main thing I use tabs for is loading new pages in such a way
that I hit "back" less often. It can be a considerable timesaving,
because going to a previous tab is quicker than going to a previous
page *in* a tab, and saves more state more reliably )
Szymon Sokół
> I use IE mostly (because I had to use it in around 1999, and it
> worked, and I don't feel like moving all my bookmarks)
Firefox can import your IE bookmarks wholesale, you don't have to move them
by hand.
> But these tab things, I understand not.
It simply means that you have many pages (or, in general, documents) open at
once, in a single window, instead of one document per window. And there are
those little tabs - like in a phone directory - usually somewhere near the
upper edge of the window, and they have names of the documents on them, and
you click on them to see the appriopriate document. Is it clearer now, or
have I complicated things even more?
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Kurt Busiek
<szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> said:
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:17:19 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
>> I use IE mostly (because I had to use it in around 1999, and it
>> worked, and I don't feel like moving all my bookmarks)
>
> Firefox can import your IE bookmarks wholesale, you don't have to move them
> by hand.
>
>> But these tab things, I understand not.
>
> It simply means that you have many pages (or, in general, documents) open at
> once, in a single window, instead of one document per window. And there are
> those little tabs - like in a phone directory - usually somewhere near the
> upper edge of the window, and they have names of the documents on them, and
> you click on them to see the appriopriate document. Is it clearer now, or
> have I complicated things even more?
She doesn't really want to know, won't make an effort to understand the
explanation, and won't remember it once she's read it.
That's not a knock on Dorothy -- she doesn't _need_ to want to know, after all.
I'm just pointing it out because even though she pointed it out, people
are still trying to explain it to her. But she's not saying, "I don't
understand, I wish I did," she's saying, "I don't understand and don't
care to; what I do works fine for me as is."
Mike Ash
djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> I am old and my memory is going, but it has not gone so far that
> I would forget that Freefall is MWF, The Watering Hole TTh, Afterlife
> Blues theoretically TF but in practice whenever-the-artist-is-feeling-
> well-enough.
I forgot that Freefall even existed, for two whole months, until
somebody pointed it out and I realized I hadn't seen any updates in a
while. My browsing habits are built around my computer reminding me to
look at a particular site, rather than the other way around.
I guess I could make a calendar reminder for each MWF, but it would
probably pop up at inconvenient times and I would forget about it later.
Mike Ash
"W. Citoan" <wci...@NOSPAM-yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mike Ash wrote:
> >
> > So, I discovered that my Freefall feed (from comicalert.com) is broken
> > because that entire site is down indefinitely. I can't find any others.
> > Anyone happen to know of one?
>
> http://darkgate.net/comic/
>
> Has been a reliable RSS comic feed for me & has Freefall.
I love you forever! And I mean this in a completely platonic way.
Mike Ash
Jo'Asia <joa...@hel.pl> wrote:
> Mike Ash wrote:
>
> > In short: I have web access just fine, but that does me, personally,
> > little good for remembering to check something that updates three times
> > a week.
>
> In SeaMonkey I can set up an update check on a bookmark - may be your
> browser has this "RSS emulation" feature as well?
Well, I use a separate RSS reader, so having my browser check would be
much less useful. I don't think it has the feature in the first place,
too. However, it's all irrelevant now that W. Citoan has graciously
provided me with a working RSS feed!
Dorothy J Heydt
Szymon Sokó� <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:17:19 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
>> I use IE mostly (because I had to use it in around 1999, and it
>> worked, and I don't feel like moving all my bookmarks)
>
>Firefox can import your IE bookmarks wholesale, you don't have to move them
>by hand.
>
>> But these tab things, I understand not.
>
>It simply means that you have many pages (or, in general, documents) open at
>once, in a single window, instead of one document per window. And there are
>those little tabs - like in a phone directory - usually somewhere near the
>upper edge of the window, and they have names of the documents on them, and
>you click on them to see the appriopriate document. Is it clearer now, or
>have I complicated things even more?
I'm afraid you have.
We had a long long discussion on raseff years ago, where somebody
tried to tell me how to ban popup advertising on my browser, at a
point where I barely understand the browser at all. We didn't
get anywhere; but someone else pointed out that to do text-only
instructions about stuff is useless; that comprehension requires
you *at least* to have the same GUI and it's much better if the
person is standing there leaning over your shoulder saying "Put
the cursor there; now click THERE."
Thanks for thinking of me, anyway.
Dorothy J Heydt
Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com> wrote:
>In article <Kt435...@kithrup.com>,
> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>> I am old and my memory is going, but it has not gone so far that
>> I would forget that Freefall is MWF, The Watering Hole TTh, Afterlife
>> Blues theoretically TF but in practice whenever-the-artist-is-feeling-
>> well-enough.
>
>I forgot that Freefall even existed, for two whole months, until
>somebody pointed it out and I realized I hadn't seen any updates in a
>while. My browsing habits are built around my computer reminding me to
>look at a particular site, rather than the other way around.
>
>I guess I could make a calendar reminder for each MWF, but it would
>probably pop up at inconvenient times and I would forget about it later.
You're going to have to do what works for you. As I said
upthread, I have a browser with a Bookmarks menu with various
subdivisions, one of which is "Comics," and I open it up and
scroll down it once or twice a day, clicking on those that I know
will be up and on some of those whereof I don't know if they'll
be up or not today.
Suum cuique.
Dorothy J Heydt
That's a pretty good analysis, actually. I was born before
computers existed (unless you count the original Babbage Engine,
which I don't) and was pushing forty before I started using any
computer, and that one was running UNIX on a DEC.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
If you want to see what a tab is -- I realize you probably don't, but
if you do -- just open Firefox, then type CTRL-T.
End of demonstration. Next topic:
Using tabs, it is possible in Firefox to open a whole bunch of
bookmarked pages at once -- all the bookmarks in a given folder.
I have the bookmarks for my webcomics arranged in folders for this
purpose. On Monday, I go to the folder "Webcomics - Monday," click
"open all in tabs," and it opens all the webcomics I read that are
supposed to update on Mondays
And so on through the week.
No RSS feeds, no remembering anything.
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I'm selling my comic collection -- see http://www.watt-evans.com/comics.html
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Dorothy J Heydt
What I have works for me. I'm sure what you have works for you.
Since several of the comics I like update on a schedule that must
be described as irregular (the way the ocean can be described as
wet), I'll stick with what I have.
Derek Lyons
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
>>than to learn how tabbed browsing (whatever "tabbed" means in this context)
>> is supposed to work.
>
>I think he's talking about "I use Firefox or Safari or the like, and open each
>webcomic in a separate tab, and leave eleventy-nine tabs open, and go across
>them one by one and refresh each one"?
Nope - I have a set of tabs saved to a folder, and I open the tabs
simultaneously (just load, no need to refresh), and then close each
one as I'm done with it. My daily folder has some fifty tabs in it,
and I can typically go through it in about half an hour.
Derek Lyons
>I use IE mostly (because I had to use it in around 1999, and it
>worked, and I don't feel like moving all my bookmarks), and
>Firefox for a couple of things like I Can Haz Cheezburger because
>it takes too long to load on IE. But these tab things, I
>understand not.
I.E. has tabs now, and has for several years. Tabs are hard to
explain in text, but even you could figure them out with a few moments
demonstration in corpus.
>But it sounds like a whole lot more fuss and bother than just
>clicking on one bookmark after another.
Actually, it's about .01% as much fuss - a single click opens multiple
tabs, loading everything at once. I then just read, closing tabs with
a mouseclick as I go. There's a reason pretty much all modern
browsers (AFAIK) support them.
But I will belabor the topic no further.
Derek Lyons
>Trying to open 25 tabs is a bit excessive and clumsy, and I'm speaking
>as a person who routinely has 30 or so windows open at a time.
I can hardly think of anything less exessive or clumsy than one right
click followed by a small movement of the cursor and one left click.
(Firefox's "open folder in tabs" function.)
I have a whole raftload of bookmark folders that I open that way for
various purposes. One for my daily reading, one for all my CoX
references, another for all my Sim2 references, etc... etc...
Derek Lyons
>Maybe, but I suspect the "you" here is generic. There are other who
>follow many more than 25 strips, and don't keep immediate track of when
>they update, which is why other systems than relying on memory are
>useful to them.
My 'daily reading' folder (that is, the stuff I read or check to see
if it has been updated since the previous morning) is nearly fifty
tabs. (And that's after agressive pruning, a new round of which is
overdue.) There's no was I could manage it without tabs.
>I use Google Reader for whatever I want to follow that I can get that
>way, because I follow some stuff that updates on no pattern I can
>figure out.
I tried Google Reader, learned to hate it. I've been slowly shifting
what RSS feeds I do follow over to LJ and thus concentrating
everything onto one page.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
Heydt) wrote:
>In article <vc5vf55a3j7b6dgo3...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>
>>Using tabs, it is possible in Firefox to open a whole bunch of
>>bookmarked pages at once -- all the bookmarks in a given folder.
>>
>>I have the bookmarks for my webcomics arranged in folders for this
>>purpose. On Monday, I go to the folder "Webcomics - Monday," click
>>"open all in tabs," and it opens all the webcomics I read that are
>>supposed to update on Mondays
>>
>>And so on through the week.
>
>What I have works for me. I'm sure what you have works for you.
>Since several of the comics I like update on a schedule that must
>be described as irregular (the way the ocean can be described as
>wet), I'll stick with what I have.
Sure, those are the folder "Webcomics - erratic." Which I check every
day.
Dorothy J Heydt
Derek Lyons <fair...@gmail.com> wrote:
>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>>I use IE mostly (because I had to use it in around 1999, and it
>>worked, and I don't feel like moving all my bookmarks), and
>>Firefox for a couple of things like I Can Haz Cheezburger because
>>it takes too long to load on IE. But these tab things, I
>>understand not.
>
>I.E. has tabs now, and has for several years. Tabs are hard to
>explain in text, but even you could figure them out with a few moments
>demonstration in corpus.
Maybe. My daughter tried to show me the ones in Firefox and it
was no go.
Szymon Sokół
> That's a pretty good analysis, actually. I was born before
> computers existed (unless you count the original Babbage Engine,
> which I don't) and was pushing forty before I started using any
> computer, and that one was running UNIX on a DEC.
Not exactly. You said you are 67. The first computer was build 68 years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z3_(computer)
It is often claimed that ENIAC was the first computer, however the
Atanasoff-Berry Computer and the Colossus were earlier than ENIAC, and Z3
was earlier than those. It was in turn preceded by Z1 and Z2, but there is
some doubt if they can really be called "computers".
Szymon Sokół
> That's a pretty good analysis, actually. I was born before
> computers existed (unless you count the original Babbage Engine,
> which I don't) and was pushing forty before I started using any
> computer, and that one was running UNIX on a DEC.
Not exactly. You said you were 67. The first computer was build 68 years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z3_(computer)
It is often claimed that ENIAC was the first computer, however the
Atanasoff-Berry Computer and the Colossus were earlier than ENIAC, and Z3
was earlier than those. It was in turn preceded by Z1 and Z2, but there is
some doubt if they can really be called "computers". In fact, there is some
such doubt regarding ENIAC as well...
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>> I use IE mostly (because I had to use it in around 1999, and it
>> worked, and I don't feel like moving all my bookmarks), and
>> Firefox for a couple of things like I Can Haz Cheezburger because
>> it takes too long to load on IE. But these tab things, I
>> understand not.
>
> I.E. has tabs now, and has for several years. Tabs are hard to
> explain in text, but even you could figure them out with a few moments
> demonstration in corpus.
Possibly. I use a "tabbed" browser but I've never personally
encountered a situation in which I think a tab would be better than
opening a new window.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
>
>> Trying to open 25 tabs is a bit excessive and clumsy, and I'm speaking
>> as a person who routinely has 30 or so windows open at a time.
>
> I can hardly think of anything less exessive or clumsy than one right
> click followed by a small movement of the cursor and one left click.
> (Firefox's "open folder in tabs" function.)
The Mac version is less excessive and clumsy: one click on the "+" next
to the last open tab.
W. Citoan
> Derek Lyons wrote:
> > thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
> >
> >> Trying to open 25 tabs is a bit excessive and clumsy, and I'm speaking
> >> as a person who routinely has 30 or so windows open at a time.
> >
> > I can hardly think of anything less exessive or clumsy than one right
> > click followed by a small movement of the cursor and one left click.
> > (Firefox's "open folder in tabs" function.)
>
> The Mac version is less excessive and clumsy: one click on the "+" next
> to the last open tab.
I don't think that's the same thing[1]. He's talking about opening all
the pages in a bookmark folder in tabs. The "+" next to the last open
tab is for a single new tab.
[1] Unless the Mac version is completely unlike any other version
which seems unlikely.
- W. Citoan
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Robert A. Woodward
I use tabs because they greatly simply opening multiple links on a
link heavy page (when I ever try opening a link in a new page, the
new page is in front of the old one, which means that I have to
keep moving the original page to the front in order to open the
next link).
--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
I suppose, but I have never had reason to open multiple links at once
on a link-heavy page. I can only read one link at a time, after all.
Dorothy J Heydt
Yes, that looks about like what I was going to type if I could
figure out what Robert was saying.
W. Citoan
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >Robert A. Woodward wrote:
> >>
> >> I use tabs because they greatly simply opening multiple links on a
> >> link heavy page (when I ever try opening a link in a new page, the
> >> new page is in front of the old one, which means that I have to
> >> keep moving the original page to the front in order to open the
> >> next link).
> >
> > I suppose, but I have never had reason to open multiple links at
> > once on a link-heavy page. I can only read one link at a time, after
> > all.
>
> Yes, that looks about like what I was going to type if I could figure
> out what Robert was saying.
To each their own, but I find opening multiple links in tabs is much
more convenient than opening a link in the current page, hit back,
opening next link in the current page, hit back, repeat, & repeat.
Especially since each additional page can have other links to follow.
Kurt Busiek
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
For the comics I can't get an RSS feed on, I have a Bookmark Folder
called "Comics." I open it, and all those comics appear in their own
tabs, so reading them is as simple as closing the tabs one at a time.
I could open them one at a time, too, but doing it with the Bookmark
Folder is faster.
kdb
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Wayne Throop
::: link heavy page (when I ever try opening a link in a new page, the
::: new page is in front of the old one, which means that I have to keep
::: moving the original page to the front in order to open the next
::: link).
:: I suppose, but I have never had reason to open multiple links at once
:: on a link-heavy page. I can only read one link at a time, after all.
: Yes, that looks about like what I was going to type if I could figure
: out what Robert was saying.
Yes tabs and windows are noriceably similar, which is why I described tabs
as a sort of light-weight window. And why "new tab" and "new window"
are right next to each other on the menus where they exist. The reason
to use tabs is the light-weightedness, and the optimized/simplified
window management that goes with it. Indeed, before tabs ever existed,
I mostly used windows for the things I use tabs for now, and when they
first showed up I didn't use them or think they were good for much.
But managing tabs is just more ergonically efficient than managing
windows, so I use them for most everything but when I want to view web
pages side-by-side.
Interestingly, I note that gnome's terminal app makes it easy to convert
tabs to windows and vice versa, a useful feature for when you change your
mind about whether you want to see two sessions side-by-side after the
fact. You can drag and drop tabs on the desktop to form a new window,
or on another terminal window to move the tab to that other window.
Very simple, very easy. Firefox doesn't do that with its tabs on the
desktop, but you can still move a tab to a different browser window,
which is almost as good, side-by-side-mind-changing-wise.
But we'll travel along, singing a song, side by side...
--- Danny Aiello amd Bruce willis in Hudson Hawk
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
You probably have professional reasons to have that many comics you
read. Me, I read exactly six regularly, and I get to them by typing the
address in the bar; it autocompletes, knowing what I want to do, within
a few characters.
Kurt Busiek
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
Tabs -- or even bookmarks -- are swifter still. But if it works for
you, more power to you; I gain no benefit from saving you time, and am
not missionary enough to care if people don't do things the way I would.
I don't think I have any professional reasons for reading online
comics, though. There are five in that folder -- The Phantom, Cul de
Sac, Funky Winkerbean, Doonesbury and Girls With Slingshots -- and
another batch in Google Reader -- Bearskinrung, Bolt City/Copper, The
Ambominable Charles Christiopher. Deadbeats, Diesel Sweeties, Dresden
Codak, Ellie Connelly, For Better or For Worse, Kukuburi, Latigo, Male
Call, PvPOnline, Sin Titulo, Steve Canyon and Zip and Li'l Bit -- but I
started reading all of them simply because I like them.
The one I wish I could get in RSS is Girls With Slingshots, because it
updates irregularly, so I'd prefer to automate that than check it every
day. But it's not much of a hardship.
kdb
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Szymon Sokół
[----]
> To each their own, but I find opening multiple links in tabs is much
> more convenient than opening a link in the current page, hit back,
> opening next link in the current page, hit back, repeat, & repeat.
> Especially since each additional page can have other links to follow.
Surely I am not the only person here who goes to Wikipedia to read one
entry, and half an hour and thirty entries later wonders what was that thing
I wanted to check in the first place...
W. Citoan
>
> The one I wish I could get in RSS is Girls With Slingshots, because
> it updates irregularly, so I'd prefer to automate that than check it
> every day. But it's not much of a hardship.
http://darkgate.net/comic/#girlswithslingshots
- W. Citoan
--
You're never alone with schizophrenia.
-- GI helmet during Vietnam War
Wayne Throop
: The one I wish I could get in RSS is Girls With Slingshots, because it
: day.
For some cases of irregular updates, where it could range from several a
week to once every several weeks, I just check less seldom (say, weekly,
or maybe even monthly), and if it's been updated, I just page back until
I recognize a page, then read forward to the end. I suppose if I had any
sense, I'd read most webcomics that way, even those that update regularly.
Juho Julkunen
Sok=C3=B3=C5=82?= (szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl) says...
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:27:45 +0000 (UTC), W. Citoan wrote:
>
> [----]
> > To each their own, but I find opening multiple links in tabs is much
> > more convenient than opening a link in the current page, hit back,
> > opening next link in the current page, hit back, repeat, & repeat.
> > Especially since each additional page can have other links to follow.
>
> Surely I am not the only person here who goes to Wikipedia to read one
> entry, and half an hour and thirty entries later wonders what was that thing
> I wanted to check in the first place...
I often end up with a few dozen tabs open. Which I sometimes manage to
close faster than opneing new ones. (TvTropes is even worse.)
But the beauty of tabs is that the original item is still open, if I
wasn't done with it.
--
Juho Julkunen
Juho Julkunen
A. Woodward (robe...@drizzle.com) says...
"Open in a background tab" is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
--
Juho Julkunen
Szymon Sokół
Exactly so.
Another nice property of tabs is that they let me have a sort of two-level
hierarchy of windows: instead of five editor windows, ten browser windows,
four terminal windows and two spreadsheet windows I have just four windows -
one for each application - and appriopriate number of tabs in each of them.
Makes finding the right one easier, at least for me. I could achieve the
same under Linux using virtual desktops (and dedicating each desktop to one
kind of windows), but under Windows it would be clumsy (and would require
third-party software, as Windows does not have virtual desktops on its own).
But I guess it makes no sense to preach to the converted, and the heathens
won't see the light anyway.
Kurt Busiek
> Kurt Busiek wrote:
>>
>> The one I wish I could get in RSS is Girls With Slingshots, because
>> it updates irregularly, so I'd prefer to automate that than check it
>> every day. But it's not much of a hardship.
>
> http://darkgate.net/comic/#girlswithslingshots
>
> - W. Citoan
Many thanks!
Is there a way to get that into Google Reader? It's an improvement
over what I had as is, but if I can GR it, even better.
erilar
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> Possibly. I use a "tabbed" browser but I've never personally
> encountered a situation in which I think a tab would be better than
> opening a new window.
I do both for different purposes. Sometimes I want 2-3 windows to STAY
open rather than take turns. This is why I rooted out all the tentacles
of a Firefox upgrade I accidentally allowed when I discovered it
wouldn't let me have tall, excessively skinny vertical windows I use for
Babble, an infection caught from my daughter, who does even harder
puzzles for fun.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
erilar
wrote:
> Steve Canyon
What? Is Steve Canyon still around???
erilar
Szymon Sok—ł <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> wrote:
> You said you were 67. The first computer was build 68 years ago
_I_, however, AM older than computers, in that case.
erilar
<vc5vf55a3j7b6dgo3...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
> Using tabs, it is possible in Firefox to open a whole bunch of
> bookmarked pages at once -- all the bookmarks in a given folder.
What a can of worms that could be for me. My folders have folders, some
of which have folders. I don't think I WANT to attempt to open a whole
folder at once!! 8-)
What I WOULD like to do is to get rid of this half-a-screenful of
graphics of alleged "top sites" I may have opened and don't want at the
moment that Safari inflicts on me when I ask for a new tab I know
exactly what I want to use it for.
I believe that last could be considered a run-on sentence 8-)
W. Citoan
> In article
> <vc5vf55a3j7b6dgo3...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>
> > Using tabs, it is possible in Firefox to open a whole bunch of
> > bookmarked pages at once -- all the bookmarks in a given folder.
>
> What a can of worms that could be for me. My folders have folders, some
> of which have folders. I don't think I WANT to attempt to open a whole
> folder at once!! 8-)
It only opens the bookmarks in the current folder. It isn't recursive.
> What I WOULD like to do is to get rid of this half-a-screenful of
> graphics of alleged "top sites" I may have opened and don't want at the
> moment that Safari inflicts on me when I ask for a new tab I know
> exactly what I want to use it for.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2041659&tstart=0
Third post points out the setting.
- W. Citoan
--
First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do.
-- Epictetus
Dorothy J Heydt
W. Citoan <wci...@NOSPAM-yahoo.com> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that looks about like what I was going to type if I could figure
>> out what Robert was saying.
>
That's what I already said upthread. Only I said it in Latin.
Szymon Sokół
> In article <13db4w8o3uwmv$.d...@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>,
> Szymon Sok—ł <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> wrote:
>
>> You said you were 67. The first computer was build 68 years ago
>
> _I_, however, AM older than computers, in that case.
Only if you agree that Babbage's machines do not count :-)
(I do, because the differential engine was not really programmable and the
analytical engine, which was designed to be programmable, has never been
completed)
W. Citoan
> In article <slrnhg0egb....@wcitoan-via.eternal-september.org>,
> W. Citoan <wci...@NOSPAM-yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, that looks about like what I was going to type if I could figure
> >> out what Robert was saying.
> >
> >To each their own, .....
>
> That's what I already said upthread. Only I said it in Latin.
Yes, but when someone else explains their way in response to one of your
posts, you tend to take it as them saying to you to do it their way. As
such, I was clarifying that was not my intent.
- W. Citoan
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Kurt Busiek
> In article <hdpl96$viq$1...@solani.org>, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Steve Canyon
>
> What? Is Steve Canyon still around???
No, but there's a site doing re-runs, putting them up in sequence,
daily. They're up to 11/6/1949.
I have all this stuff in book collections, but it's fun to read it
day-by-day, and was originally intended.
It's at: http://riphaywire.com/stevecanyon
Kurt Busiek
> On 2009-11-15, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-11-15 11:40:28 -0800, "W. Citoan" <wci...@NOSPAM-yahoo.com> said:
>>
>>> Kurt Busiek wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The one I wish I could get in RSS is Girls With Slingshots, because
>>>> it updates irregularly, so I'd prefer to automate that than check it
>>>> every day. But it's not much of a hardship.
>>>
>>> http://darkgate.net/comic/#girlswithslingshots
>>
>> Many thanks!
>>
>> Is there a way to get that into Google Reader? It's an improvement
>> over what I had as is, but if I can GR it, even better.
>
> The RSS link to the left.
> http://darkgate.net/comic/feed.php?girlswithslingshots
> or
> http://darkgate.net/comic/rss2.php?girlswithslingshots
And many thanks to you!
Robert Bannister
> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>> I use IE mostly (because I had to use it in around 1999, and it
>> worked, and I don't feel like moving all my bookmarks), and
>> Firefox for a couple of things like I Can Haz Cheezburger because
>> it takes too long to load on IE. But these tab things, I
>> understand not.
>
> I.E. has tabs now, and has for several years. Tabs are hard to
> explain in text, but even you could figure them out with a few moments
> demonstration in corpus.
>
>> clicking on one bookmark after another.
>
> Actually, it's about .01% as much fuss - a single click opens multiple
> tabs, loading everything at once. I then just read, closing tabs with
> a mouseclick as I go. There's a reason pretty much all modern
> browsers (AFAIK) support them.
Well, you're right about all or most browsers having them, but what are
they for? What you describe can be done equally well opening and closing
windows which can also be done in a single keystroke or mouseclick. I'm
not claiming they have no purpose - just that I haven't discovered it.
--
Rob Bannister
Robert Bannister
> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> I use tabs because they greatly simply opening multiple links on a
>>>> link heavy page (when I ever try opening a link in a new page, the
>>>> new page is in front of the old one, which means that I have to
>>>> keep moving the original page to the front in order to open the
>>>> next link).
>>> once on a link-heavy page. I can only read one link at a time, after
>>> all.
>> out what Robert was saying.
>
> more convenient than opening a link in the current page, hit back,
> opening next link in the current page, hit back, repeat, & repeat.
> Especially since each additional page can have other links to follow.
I can see that, but what about opening the link in a new window? You can
always move them around if you want to see more than one at once or else
you hit that function key that shows you all open windows.
--
Rob Bannister
Robert Bannister
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:27:45 +0000 (UTC), W. Citoan wrote:
>
> [----]
>> To each their own, but I find opening multiple links in tabs is much
>> more convenient than opening a link in the current page, hit back,
>> opening next link in the current page, hit back, repeat, & repeat.
>> Especially since each additional page can have other links to follow.
>
> Surely I am not the only person here who goes to Wikipedia to read one
> entry, and half an hour and thirty entries later wonders what was that thing
> I wanted to check in the first place...
>
I think printed dictionaries and encyclopaedias are more fun for that -
they don't even save you a "history" of your browsing, so you can never
go back.
--
Rob Bannister
Robert Bannister
> But I guess it makes no sense to preach to the converted, and the heathens
> won't see the light anyway.
>
Are the boy ones called "heatcocks"?
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Juho Julkunen <giao...@hotmail.com> said:
> "Open in a background tab" is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
How does a background tab differ from a regular tab?
-- wds
Garrett Wollman
Whether the focus automatically switches to it when it is created.
Background tabs load in the background, leaving you to switch to them
at your leisure, whereas when you do something that wants to open a
regular tab, it switches there immediately. There are probably
preferences in at least some browsers for "open all tabs in
background". (If Firefox has this option, it may be hidden deep in
the bowels of about:config next to all the evil stuff they don't want
you to disable for fear of disrupting their revenue stream.)
-GAWollman
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wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Garrett Wollman
Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>Well, you're right about all or most browsers having them, but what are
>they for? What you describe can be done equally well opening and closing
>windows which can also be done in a single keystroke or mouseclick.
Except that then you have multiple browser windows, which is probably
not what you want. Programs that think they have the right to open
multiple windows are widely hated in my segment of the geek community
(much to the dismay of our webmistress, who doesn't understand why her
proposed "open external links in a new window" would get her hate mail
from half the lab for the rest of her career). Browsers are getting
better about this; I think there's a preference I can set in Opera
that forces pages that try to open a new window into a tab instead.
David Goldfarb
Juho Julkunen <giao...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I often end up with a few dozen tabs open. Which I sometimes manage to
>close faster than opneing new ones. (TvTropes is even worse.)
>
>But the beauty of tabs is that the original item is still open, if I
>wasn't done with it.
Usually I do that by opening the link in a new window. I can move between
windows with Apple's Expose feature or with cmd-~. When I'm using a
laptop, with a smaller screen, I use tabs, though.
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David DeLaney
Wouldn't it be "hot" for the male-gender inflection?
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