YASID - "living pictures"
bealoid
[quote]
Can you think of examples in any literature of films where they use the
example of a 'living picture' or something like people trapped in still
images? I was looking at some work by an artist called David Claerbout
where he has used old photographs and refilmed parts of them such as the
suble movements the wind makes in the trees or the real time passing of the
light of the day and has then manipulated them together so he had created s
'moving still' if that makes sense. When I was looking at them I felt it
was very strange and reminded me of some things in science fiction that I
cant quite remember....
[/quote]
So, I don't think it's a specific book or story, but I know that people
here canhelp.
Cheers.
Hallvard B Furuseth
> Can you think of examples in any literature of films where they use
> the example of a 'living picture' or something like people trapped in
> still images?
Not quite, but Oscar Wilde's _The Picture of Dorian Gray_ comes close.
--
Hallvard
Don Bruder
bealoid <sig...@bealoid.co.uk> wrote:
The one that positively *LEAPS* to mind for me is Bradbury's "The
Veldt". Without getting into "spoiler territory", images are available
in a manner similar to the ST:TNG Holodeck - and like so often seems to
happen on the Holodeck, something goes wrong...
(It wouldn't surprise me if The Veldt turned out to be the original
grain of inspiration for TNG's Holodeck, but I *HIGHLY* doubt anybody
could ever track down conclusive evidence for that)
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Don Bruder
Hmmm... just recalled (vaguely) another one - Clive Barker did a tale
where an old civilization was woven into a tapestry? Or maybe it was a
rug? Observant folks would note that some of the scenes inthe
tapestry/rug would alter slightly between times they looked at it.
I can't recall much more than that about it, though, other than, like
most Clive Barker stuff, it came to massive amounts of
obsessively-described blood, gore, slow disembowelments, impalements,
and similar gratuitously graphic descriptions of fairly obscene violence
for the sake of shock-value. (which fails misearbly when it's completely
expected, as is the case in every Barker book I've botherd to wade
through - Barker tries to be King in his glory days, but somehow, he
always turns into every bad slasher flick ever made, with buckets of
blood and pig-guts flying everywhere pretty much non-stop. Kinda like
"profanity as punctuation" - the "shock value" is long-since worn off)
Bill Snyder
wrote:
There are Bob Shaw's "slow glass" stories, collected in _Other Days,
Other Eyes_, which might qualify. In those, a material has been
developed through which light takes months or years to pass, so you
can do things like leave a pane facing a mountain for a few years, and
then sell an x-year view of the mountain to urban dwellers to replace
their picture windows.
In the best-known story in the series, "Light of Other Days,"
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there's a glass dealer whose wife and infant child died years ago in
an auto accident. Because the light moves slowly in _both_
directions, the panes from his house that he was "charging up" with an
attractive countryscape show him, when he's outside in his yard, his
beloved dead inside the house.
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.]
Nancy Lebovitz
Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>Hmmm... just recalled (vaguely) another one - Clive Barker did a tale
>where an old civilization was woven into a tapestry? Or maybe it was a
>rug? Observant folks would note that some of the scenes inthe
>tapestry/rug would alter slightly between times they looked at it.
>
>I can't recall much more than that about it, though, other than, like
>most Clive Barker stuff, it came to massive amounts of
>obsessively-described blood, gore, slow disembowelments, impalements,
>and similar gratuitously graphic descriptions of fairly obscene violence
>for the sake of shock-value. (which fails misearbly when it's completely
>expected, as is the case in every Barker book I've botherd to wade
>through - Barker tries to be King in his glory days, but somehow, he
>always turns into every bad slasher flick ever made, with buckets of
>blood and pig-guts flying everywhere pretty much non-stop. Kinda like
>"profanity as punctuation" - the "shock value" is long-since worn off)
That would be _Weaveworld_. I only read the beginning, which was pretty
good. Thanks for the warning.
--
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http://nancylebov.livejournal.com
My two favorite colors are "Oooooh" and "SHINY!".
Howard Brazee
But not as close as the Harry Potter movies.
How about live people in TV, as in _Flower Drum Song_?
Or live statues?
Wayne Throop
: there's a glass dealer whose wife and infant child died years ago in
: an auto accident. Because the light moves slowly in _both_
: directions, the panes from his house that he was "charging up" with an
: attractive countryscape show him, when he's outside in his yard, his
: beloved dead inside the house.
Huh? My memory insists that he retained the view windows from his
house, and used them to view his faimly *still* *alive* in the house.
What would be the point of showing them dead? And for that matter, how
long were they dead in view of the view windows?
Or... am I mistaking the meaning of "show his beloved dead inside the house"?
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Peter Meilinger
> Someone I know asked this:
>
> [quote]
> Can you think of examples in any literature of films where they use the
> example of a 'living picture' or something like people trapped in still
> images?
Two examples come to mind.
1) I vaguely recall an episode of the TV show "Wild, Wild West" in
which that tiny terror, that mini megalomaniac, that stupendously
short scoundrel, Dr. Miguelito Loveless had somehow figured out
a way to transfer people into paintings. I don't remember any
details, but I'm pretty sure he got stuck in one of the paintings
at the end.
2) Aaron Allston's book Galatea in 2-D is about an illustrator
who discovers that he can bring his characters and items
into the real world, as well as enter into the scenes he drew.
He gets stuck in one of his own paintings for a short time
while figuring out his new abilities, and is later placed in a
supposedly unescapable prison painting by the bad guy
illustrator who doesn't want anyone else to be able to
do what he does. Fun book.
Pete
Ken from Chicago
"bealoid" <sig...@bealoid.co.uk> wrote in message
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One part of Nora Roberts' "Key" trilogy takes place in a painting. In fact a
"living painting" is a focal point thru out.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Nancy Lebovitz" <nan...@panix.com> wrote in message
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Wasn't that the one where he asked what would be "horror" in horror world?
-- Ken from Chicago
Bill Snyder
wrote:
[spoiler space for "Light of Other Days" restored]
Uh . . . yeah. I meant what you said -- that they were in effect
windows into the past when the dead were still with him. The story is
on-line, BTW, at
<http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/shaw/shaw1.html>
sharkey
> Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> > Barker tries to be King in his glory days, but somehow, he
> > always turns into every bad slasher flick ever made, with buckets of
> > blood and pig-guts flying everywhere pretty much non-stop.
>
> good. Thanks for the warning.
It would indeed be _Weaveworld_, but I'd disagree with the prognosis :-)
-----sharks
Butch Malahide
> Someone I know asked this:
>
> [quote]
> Can you think of examples in any literature of films where they use the
> example of a 'living picture' or something like people trapped in still
> images?
Wasn't there something like that in the "Mary Poppins" movie? (Wouldn't
know about the books, haven't read them.)
Something like that is hinted at at the end of Jack Vance's story "Loom
of Darkness" aka "Liane the Wayfarer".
In James Blish's story "Against the Stone Beasts", interdimensional or
intertemporal portals disguised as pictures. The same sort of thing in
Henry Kuttner's "The Portal in the Picture", maybe; it's been too long
since I read that one.
Wayne Throop
:: the example of a 'living picture' or something like people trapped in
:: still images?
Well, there's the Powerpuff Girls episode where Him gives Bubbles
magic chalk which causes all the images she draws with it to come
to life and trap her sisters. Hrm.
And of course there's "Chalk Zone". Rudy's got the chalk!
Ahem. Slightly more on-target, there's Linkskold's "Child of a Rainless
Year", in which images viewed though certain magical devices (which seem
to be kalidascopes) are ... "real", and the protagonists's paintings
have magical force, and her mother is trapped... well... not an exact
match since they are more *mirrors* involved in the trapped part rather
than paintings or pictures. But still, I liked it. A slow, moody
sort of character-study-ish thing, I guess, with an interesting
background to work out.
Donaldson, of course, had magic mirrors in "Mordant's Need".
You *can* get trapped in those, pretty effectively.
Now, there are magic tapestries in Anthony's Xanth setting,
but perhaps that's not "lit-ra-chur". And there's no Xanth movie
yet, thank Bog.
Ah, how about the tapestry in LWE's "With a Single Spell"?
I like that one, and it sure trapped whozerface real good.
(Sorry... names evaporate from my memory just when I want them
most and I don't have the book handy and my google-fu fails me,
drat. Sometimes I think I'd forget my own name if it wasn't
sewn into my undershorts.) Ah, wait; Karanissa! There!
And come to think of it, there are mirrors involved there, too.
Seems to be a theme: even if there are drawings, mirrors too.
Duncan's "Magic Casement" maybe? Neh...
Would the prophetic painings in "Heroes" count? Prolly not.
And of course Spongebob trapped the Evil Doodle he had created with
a magic pencil, by sticking him back into a 2-d paper surface.
So there's that. Now *THAT*'s lit-ra-chur. And no mirrors.
Don Bruder
wrote:
I believe you're mistaking...
My take on the phrasing was "showed his beloved dead while they were
still alive" - What point in seeing them while dead?
Don Bruder
"Peter Meilinger" <p_mei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Which brings to mind "Simon in the land of chalk drawings" from early to
mid-70's episodes of Captain Kangaroo ... "Well you know my name is
Simon/and the things I draw come true/and the pictures wake and take me
climbing/over the garden wall with you"
Or then there's the video of the band AHA's tune "Take on me", where the
gal falls/gets pulled into a comic book, escapes from the bad guys
through a hole her in-book pal tears in the page (landing in a garbage
can out in "the real world") and then when she gets home, the guy from
the comic has beaten the bad guys, and comes into the real world in a
scene lifted straight out of the old movie "Altered States".
Peter D. Tillman
> Can you think of examples in any literature of films where they use the
> example of a 'living picture' or something like people trapped in still
> images?
About the silliest use of this trope I've come across is in Jasper
Fforde's _The Fourth Bear_, wherein DI Jack Spratt buys a used car from
a dealer named (nudge, poke) Dorien Gray, which has a magic picture of
the car in the boot. Quite handy for traffic accidents. Up to a point....
Happy reading--
Pete Tillman
il...@rcn.com
> where an old civilization was woven into a tapestry? Or maybe it was a
> rug? Observant folks would note that some of the scenes inthe
> tapestry/rug would alter slightly between times they looked at it.
"Castle Roogna" (third Xanth novel by Piers Anthony) has that also. The
tapestry shows Xanth as it was several hundred years earlier, and can
function as a time machine -- one can enter the tapestry and in effect
get transported into the past. IIRC, very few people knew that the
tapestry could be entered, and only one person ever actually did so.
Rob Kerr
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> Someone I know asked this:
>
> [quote]
> Can you think of examples in any literature of films where they
> use the example of a 'living picture' or something like people
> trapped in still images?
Rawn et al's _The Golden Key_ has this.
Rob Kerr
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CleV
IV.
Par
> Ah, how about the tapestry in LWE's "With a Single Spell"?
> I like that one, and it sure trapped whozerface real good.
There are a number of pictures with magical properties in "Book of
Kells" (McAvoy?). My strongest memory of that book is -- of course --
the horse POV scene.
/Par
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restrained" -- William Blake
Michael Stemper
>Can you think of examples in any literature of films where they use the
>example of a 'living picture' or something like people trapped in still
>images?
How about "The Montavarde Camera", by Avram Davidson? Pictures taken
with the said camera have an especially life-like quality ...
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William December Starr
bealoid <sig...@bealoid.co.uk> said:
> Someone I know asked this:
>
> [quote]
> Can you think of examples in any literature of films where they
> use the example of a 'living picture' or something like people
> trapped in still images?
The idea is viewed from a bit of a different angle in:
Title: The Wedding Album
Author: David Marusek
Year: 1999
Publications:
* Asimov's Science Fiction, June 1999 (1999 , $3.50, 144pp) Cover:
John Foster
* The Year's Best Science Fiction: Seventeenth Annual Collection
(2000 , St. Martin's, 0312262752, $29.95, 625pp, hc) Cover:
Michael Carroll
--
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
John Duncan Yoyo
wrote:
Did it remind you of Harold and the Purple Crayon which seems like a
very similar idea.
>
>Or then there's the video of the band AHA's tune "Take on me", where the
>gal falls/gets pulled into a comic book, escapes from the bad guys
>through a hole her in-book pal tears in the page (landing in a garbage
>can out in "the real world") and then when she gets home, the guy from
>the comic has beaten the bad guys, and comes into the real world in a
>scene lifted straight out of the old movie "Altered States".
That plays on the Video stream in the gym. It still is one of my top
20 videos.
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Don Bruder
John Duncan Yoyo <john-dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:10:00 -0800, Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net>
> wrote:
>
<snip>
> >
> >Which brings to mind "Simon in the land of chalk drawings" from early to
> >mid-70's episodes of Captain Kangaroo ... "Well you know my name is
> >Simon/and the things I draw come true/and the pictures wake and take me
> >climbing/over the garden wall with you"
>
> Did it remind you of Harold and the Purple Crayon which seems like a
> very similar idea.
I don't recall that one, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's similar.
"Simon" was pretty simplistic animation - After all, how "fancy" can you
get with chalk?
(Anybody trotting out examples of pastel/chalk "art masterpieces" in an
effort to educate me about how fancy it can be gets 50 lashes with a wet
noodle. And their lecture ignored. Sorry, but I prefer "realist" art,
and IMO, there's no such thing possible in pastels or chalk.)
> >Or then there's the video of the band AHA's tune "Take on me", where the
<snip>
> That plays on the Video stream in the gym. It still is one of my top
> 20 videos.
Yep, I've always liked it too. For some reason, there's a "magic" to
Rotoscoping that just catches my eye and holds on.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Don't forget Bert's sidewalk chalks in "Marry Poppins" and the museum in
"Loony Tunes: Back in Action". Oh, and the Trumps of Amber.
Ted
Robert Massey
>I don't recall that one, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's similar.
>"Simon" was pretty simplistic animation - After all, how "fancy" can you
>get with chalk?
>
>(Anybody trotting out examples of pastel/chalk "art masterpieces" in an
>effort to educate me about how fancy it can be gets 50 lashes with a wet
>noodle. And their lecture ignored. Sorry, but I prefer "realist" art,
>and IMO, there's no such thing possible in pastels or chalk.)
Julian Beever has done some amazing stuff, though.
http://users.skynet.be/J.Beever/pave.htm
Robert
--
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English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways
to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
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Peter D. Tillman
wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
> > Can you think of examples in any literature of films where they
> > use the example of a 'living picture' or something like people
> > trapped in still images?
>
> The idea is viewed from a bit of a different angle in:
>
> Title: The Wedding Album
> Author: David Marusek
> Year: 1999
>
> Publications:
> * Asimov's Science Fiction, June 1999 (1999 , $3.50, 144pp) Cover:
> John Foster
> * The Year's Best Science Fiction: Seventeenth Annual Collection
> (2000 , St. Martin's, 0312262752, $29.95, 625pp, hc) Cover:
> Michael Carroll
Quite an astonishing piece of work -- by far the best he's done so far,
in my opinion.
Ah, I see he has a collection coming out soon:
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?David_Marusek
Happy reading--
Pete Tillman
John Duncan Yoyo
wrote:
>In article <782rn29d843vru62l...@4ax.com>,
> John Duncan Yoyo <john-dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:10:00 -0800, Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>
><snip>
>
>> >
>> >Which brings to mind "Simon in the land of chalk drawings" from early to
>> >mid-70's episodes of Captain Kangaroo ... "Well you know my name is
>> >Simon/and the things I draw come true/and the pictures wake and take me
>> >climbing/over the garden wall with you"
>>
>> Did it remind you of Harold and the Purple Crayon which seems like a
>> very similar idea.
>
>I don't recall that one, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's similar.
>"Simon" was pretty simplistic animation - After all, how "fancy" can you
>get with chalk?
Harold and the Purple Crayon is from 1955 and features Harold drawing
his way through the universe until he gets sleepy.
<http://www.k-state.edu/english/nelp/purple/books/harold.html#series>
There was an HBO cartoon which was pretty good even narrated by Sharon
Stone. <http://www.hbofamily.com/programs/jam/harold.html>
I remember the books from when I was a kid.
Victor Velazquez
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> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:28:21 -0800, Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <782rn29d843vru62l...@4ax.com>,
>> John Duncan Yoyo <john-dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:10:00 -0800, Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> >
>>> >Which brings to mind "Simon in the land of chalk drawings" from early
>>> >to
>>> >mid-70's episodes of Captain Kangaroo ... "Well you know my name is
>>> >Simon/and the things I draw come true/and the pictures wake and take me
>>> >climbing/over the garden wall with you"
>>>
>>> Did it remind you of Harold and the Purple Crayon which seems like a
>>> very similar idea.
>>
>>I don't recall that one, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's similar.
>>"Simon" was pretty simplistic animation - After all, how "fancy" can you
>>get with chalk?
>
> Harold and the Purple Crayon is from 1955 and features Harold drawing
> his way through the universe until he gets sleepy.
> <http://www.k-state.edu/english/nelp/purple/books/harold.html#series>
> There was an HBO cartoon which was pretty good even narrated by Sharon
> Stone. <http://www.hbofamily.com/programs/jam/harold.html>
>
> I remember the books from when I was a kid.
Gah! It took me two years to get that theme song out of my head. Good
series though, good theme song even, just waaaaay too catchy.
I can feel it taking hold again in my cranium already. Curses! Anyone got
any ABBA?