Re: Things we remember...
Robert Carnegie
Mike Ash wrote:
> In article <hcuogn$juo$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
> na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) wrote:
>
> > Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com> wrote:
> > > Conclusion: they get more wrong than they get right, by a pretty wide
> > > margin. I'm sure some of this varies from person to person but I don't
> > > think I'm extremely non-representative here. I remember coming across a
> > > link to the Class of 2013 list earlier in the year and being pretty
> > > impressed by it. Now I have *serious* doubts about the validity of any
> > > of these lists. If the 2002 list is this badly wrong, the rest probably
> > > are too.
> >
> > On the one hand, I wouldn't extrapolate too much from one data point,
> > especially when it was their first go. If memory serves, that first
> > list was intended solely for internal use as a simple reminder to
> > profs & administrators to watch their references. It would vary from
> > person to person, but believing that a small number of people would
> > miss a reference would certainly make me think twice about using it.
>
> The list *probably* works as advertised, but I think the way it's worded
> could lead to unfortunate misunderstandings. IMO, not being a university
> educator or anything and thus not really in a position to criticize,
> this list would do better if it stuck to more factual statements. For
> example, "The Challenger exploded when they were only 6 years old",
> rather than, "They do not remember the Challenger explosion". This
> leaves it to the individual's judgement and leaves room for individual
> variation.
>
> I think the really interesting take-away is just how poorly someone can
> judge the experiences and knowledge of someone much younger. I can
> completely understand why someone would think I was not aware that
> Americans were held hostage in Iran. I was six months old when they were
> released, after all. They missed the fact that there was a major event
> which came later which drew attention to the previous hostage crisis. It
> has to be very difficult to predict which major events or products will
> make an impression on young children and which ones won't, when you
> yourself were a fully grown adult when they occurred.
I think many people still want the business of the Iran/Contra
hearings to be forgotten, and, like evolution, they spend great effort
on not believing that it happened. Including freshmen raised in
families with strong views on the topic.
> Amusing meta thought: am I being too harsh on them because I'm checking
> their facts in 2009, when every single item on the list can be
> investigated in 5 seconds on the internet, but they wrote it in 1998
> when available internet sources were vastly inferior, and non-internet
> sources vastly slower?
Shall we have a separate list of "Things you don't know about although
they used to be everyday knowledge and today you could look them up on
the Internet but why would you?
The /origin/ of the word "bikini" denoting a (barely recognisable)
costume?
Butch Malahide
>
> Shall we have a separate list of "Things you don't know about although
> they used to be everyday knowledge and today you could look them up on
> the Internet but why would you?
>
> The /origin/ of the word "bikini" denoting a (barely recognisable)
> costume?
That one's not going to stump anyone atoll. What I don't understand,
though, is how somebody could "invent" the bikini in 1946 when we have
pictures from classical times of women working out in bikinis.
erilar
<4098a4da-c9b3-47d4...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
There are some on a floor in the remains of a Roman villa in Sicily I
visited last spring.
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Robert Carnegie
> In article
> <4098a4da-c9b3-47d4-b7ac-b2aff7c1b...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 7, 4:48 pm, Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > > Shall we have a separate list of "Things you don't know about although
> > > they used to be everyday knowledge and today you could look them up on
> > > the Internet but why would you?
>
> > > The /origin/ of the word "bikini" denoting a (barely recognisable)
> > > costume?
>
> > That one's not going to stump anyone atoll. What I don't understand,
> > though, is how somebody could "invent" the bikini in 1946 when we have
> > pictures from classical times of women working out in bikinis.
>
> There are some on a floor in the remains of a Roman villa in Sicily I
> visited last spring.
Why don't you pick up after yourself?
But I think for many years no one knew what was on the floors of Roman
villas in Sicily. I guess it was that long before they decided to buy
a new carpet.
And in the meantime, the twentieth century bikini. The one that looks
like a waistcoat and cutoff trousers. ...Maybe I'm misremembering.
Or it's that I'm British and that's as far as we went.
Robert Bannister
> In article
> <4098a4da-c9b3-47d4...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 7, 4:48 pm, Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>>> Shall we have a separate list of "Things you don't know about although
>>> they used to be everyday knowledge and today you could look them up on
>>> the Internet but why would you?
>>>
>>> The /origin/ of the word "bikini" denoting a (barely recognisable)
>>> costume?
>> That one's not going to stump anyone atoll. What I don't understand,
>> though, is how somebody could "invent" the bikini in 1946 when we have
>> pictures from classical times of women working out in bikinis.
>
> There are some on a floor in the remains of a Roman villa in Sicily I
> visited last spring.
>
Is it known who dropped them?
--
Rob Bannister
erilar
Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
It's a mosaic, needless to say. And it's later than the other floors in
the place.
David DeLaney
> Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> erilar wrote:
>> > There are some on a floor in the remains of a Roman villa in Sicily I
>> > visited last spring.
>>
>> Is it known who dropped them?
>
>It's a mosaic, needless to say.
Oh, so it +broke+ when they dropped it.
Dave
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