rec.arts.sf.written...
DanSolo
rec.xtiannutjobspreaching.zzzz.nothanks.
I never posted much here but I used to enjoy a lot of the threads.
(Yes, I know I can just go elsewhere)
Kurt Busiek
Or you can use your killfiles. If there's a lot of Christian nutjob
preaching going on, I'm not seeing it, because I have the usual
offenders and usual crosspost locations filtered out.
Feel free to talk about written SF, and add your own signal to the
noise. Start some of the kind of threads you used to enjoy.
kdb
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Mike Schilling
Or, better yet, fight the good fight by posting something
constructive. What was the last SF book you really enjoyed?
Wayne Throop
: Or, better yet, fight the good fight by posting something
: constructive. What was the last SF book you really enjoyed?
Well, hopefully not the last... hopefully just "most recent".
Hm. If I were to split that into two subquestions, which
science-fiction-like book vs which fantasy-like book, I think Turn
Coat probably for the latter. I have read other books I really like
since then, but mostly re-reads. I've read a few I like, but probably
not quite so much. Though I wouldn't say Turn Coat was the strongest
of that series...
For the former... yeesh, science-fiction-like books have gotten
thin on the ground lately. Hm. Fishing around a bit it may be as
long ago as the last Vatta book, or maybe the most recent Lost Fleet book.
Which I wouldn't say were extremely enjoyable, just.... OK.
Hm. So what's science-fictiony I *should* be looking at?
Besides Realms of Light, of course.
Upcoming, for november releases, I'm thinking Fledgeling for
science-fictiony (at least, it's fantasy with spaceships), and First
Lord's Fury for fantasy-y, seem most promising.
By the way, the Amazon description of FLF is bizarre:
For years he has endured the endless trials and triumphs of a man
whose skill and power could not be restrained. Battling ancient
enemies, forging new alliances, and confronting the corruption
within his own land, Gaius Octavian became a legendary man of
war-and the rightful First Lord of Alera.
But now, the savage Vord are on the march, and Gaius must lead his
legions to the Calderon Valley to stand against them-using all of
his intelligence, ingenuity, and furycraft to save their world from
eternal darkness.
Almost unrecognizable. He was enduring the endless trials and triumphs
of a man who had to use his wits because he had no power; his power had
been restrained (for complicated reasons) until very recently, and
only now in the last book of the series is he starting to have
"power that could not be restrained". I mean, sure, he's been getting
stronger, and building alliances and such, but no manifest Furies,
and he has to depend on Maximus and Crassus to do the headknocking.
He's been unable to confront any of the corruption in the government,
unless you count the Juris Macto against Senator Amos' singulare, Navaris,
and Amos was just a disposable cats-paw of the real conspirators, and
so that was hardly a "confrontation".
His reputation is indeed pretty good ("no-one seeks a quarrel with a
tavar"), but except among his own troops, he's not a "legendary man of
war", and until the start of this next book he isn't First Lord.
Indeed, I don't expect he'll be *declared* First Lord until quite
a ways into the book, since I imagine he's going to have quite a chore
even *reaching* the survivors to meet the guy who's now Acting First Lord.
And the Vord showed up in significant force while he was still an Academ,
and have been "on the march" ever since.
Well... at least he battled ancient enemies and forged new alliances
with them, specifically the Marat and the Canim. (And with the Marat
ambassador, *boy* did he force alliances, wink wink nudge nudge.)
So, two items right out of, what, about seven... maybe three if
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gur jnl guebhtu gur svsgu obbx jura Tnvhf Frkghf qvrf, but mostly two.
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
DanSolo
wrote:
> Or, better yet, fight the good fight by posting something
> constructive. What was the last SF book you really enjoyed?
As I work through google groups there's no easy way to killfile the cre
(a)ti(o)nists.
Anyway, I've been reading the complete works of HP Lovecraft for about
the last 4 moths (one file on an e-reader). I've been sneaking peeks
at Fionavar 2 every 200 pages or so of that though...
Last one I thought was truly great? I guess Dreamsnake, which I read
some time last year. It had everything, from tech to magik to
believable character motivations and failings. Brilliant.
Tom McDonald
> On Nov 18, 7:05 am, "Mike Schilling" <mscottschill...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Or, better yet, fight the good fight by posting something
>> constructive. What was the last SF book you really enjoyed?
>
> As I work through google groups there's no easy way to killfile the cre
> (a)ti(o)nists.
>
> Anyway, I've been reading the complete works of HP Lovecraft for about
> the last 4 moths (one file on an e-reader).
How long will one moth burn?
I'd think the light would be flickery.
<snip>
--
Tom
When Tyrants tremble, sick with fear,
And hear their death-knell ringing;
When friends rejoice, both far and near,
How can I keep from singing.
DanSolo
> How long will one moth burn?
For ages. You light one and all these other ones come to have a look...
David DeLaney
>"Mike Schilling" <mscottschill...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Or, better yet, fight the good fight by posting something
>> constructive. �What was the last SF book you really enjoyed?
>
>As I work through google groups there's no easy way to killfile the cre
>(a)ti(o)nists.
Oh - then you're getting older threads mixed in with present ones. (Threads
that touched on r.a.sf.w Some Time Ago, but which Google Groups thinks are
all always and forever in all the groups they've touched, because of how it
does followup trees.)
Just about -any- alternative to GG that involves an actual newsreader would
solve that for you... (Cue the testimonials for eternal.september.org and the
other remaining free/cheap newsservers, and for various kinds of newsreader
for various systems.)
Dave
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Dorothy J Heydt
DanSolo <daniel...@ucd.ie> wrote:
>
>Anyway, I've been reading the complete works of HP Lovecraft for about
>the last 4 moths (one file on an e-reader).
Do you know about the H. P. Lovecraft Historial Society, which is
filming some of the Lovecraft mythos?
Their first completed film, _The Call of Chthulhu_ (of course),
done in the (carefully and lovingly re-created) style of the
silent films of the 1920s. I don't even care for Lovecraft
particularly, but that film is a masterpiece.
They're now working on _The Whisperer in Darkness_, which is a
sound film, in the style of the early 1930s. There's a trailer
online here,
http://zomopro.com/archives/tag/hplhs-motion-pictures
and it looks very promising.
--
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Vallejo, California
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Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
Michael Stemper
>On Nov 18, 7:05=A0am, "Mike Schilling" <mscottschill...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Or, better yet, fight the good fight by posting something
>> constructive. =A0What was the last SF book you really enjoyed?
>
>As I work through google groups there's no easy way to killfile the cre
>(a)ti(o)nists.
>
>Anyway, I've been reading the complete works of HP Lovecraft for about
Have you ever looked at Clark Ashton Smith's works that are set in
a closely related mileu?
>Last one I thought was truly great? I guess Dreamsnake, which I read
Would this be _Dreamsnake_ by Vonda McIntyre, or are there other
books with the same title? I bounced off of McIntyre's book on my
first attempt, made it through about a decade later. Now, I don't
remember a thing about it.
--
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hughes
<97685909-be88-4f24...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
DanSolo <daniel...@ucd.ie> wrote:
>
> As I work through google groups there's no easy way to killfile the cre
> (a)ti(o)nists.
>
Google Groups is pretty pathetic, but you could try this:
Much, if not all, of the creationist crap will be cross-posted to
alt.atheism. If you do a Google Groups search with the following in the
search box:
group:rec.arts.sf.written -"alt.atheism"
you'll filter out everything that's cross-posted to that group. I
personally have nothing at all against atheists, but this is a pretty
good way for me to reduce the noise here. I can't come close to keeping
up with all the remaining posts anyway, so if I happen to miss out on a
good thread that happens to be cross-posted to alt.atheism, well, so be
it.
- John
P.S. -- Don't anybody cross-post anything good to alt.atheism, 'kay?
Mike Ash
hughes <hug...@illinois.edu> wrote:
> In article
> <97685909-be88-4f24...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> DanSolo <daniel...@ucd.ie> wrote:
>
> >
> > As I work through google groups there's no easy way to killfile the cre
> > (a)ti(o)nists.
> >
> Google Groups is pretty pathetic, but you could try this:
>
> Much, if not all, of the creationist crap will be cross-posted to
> alt.atheism. If you do a Google Groups search with the following in the
> search box:
>
> group:rec.arts.sf.written -"alt.atheism"
Hey, this is quality advice even for those of us with good newsreaders.
I've been killfiling this stuff by subject, but just whacking anything
posted to that group ought to be a lot easier.
--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
Kurt Busiek
> In article <hughes-384C0D....@news.acm.uiuc.edu>,
> hughes <hug...@illinois.edu> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <97685909-be88-4f24...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>> DanSolo <daniel...@ucd.ie> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> As I work through google groups there's no easy way to killfile the cre
>>> (a)ti(o)nists.
>>>
>> Google Groups is pretty pathetic, but you could try this:
>>
>> Much, if not all, of the creationist crap will be cross-posted to
>> alt.atheism. If you do a Google Groups search with the following in the
>> search box:
>>
>> group:rec.arts.sf.written -"alt.atheism"
>
> Hey, this is quality advice even for those of us with good newsreaders.
> I've been killfiling this stuff by subject, but just whacking anything
> posted to that group ought to be a lot easier.
I killfile anything crossposted to, lessee:
alt.2600
alt.abortion
alt.alien
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk
alt.astronomy
alt.atheism
alt.battlestar-galactica
alt.books.ghost-fiction
alt.business.hospitality
alt.conspiracy
alt.dbs.echostar
alt.fan.adolf-hitler
alt.fan.art-bell
alt.garden.pond.chat
alt.gossip.celebrities
alt.humor
alt.life.sucks
alt.messianic
alt.pantyhose
alt.paranet.ufo
alt.philosophy
alt.politics
alt.politics.bush
alt.politics.republican
alt.politics.usa.republican
alt.prophecies.nostradamus
alt.radio.talk
alt.religion.mormon
alt.religion.scientology
alt.sci.physics.new-theories
alt.sci.planetary
alt.sixtyplus
alt.support.depression.manic
alt.support.divorce
alt.talk.creationism
alt.tv.pol-incorrect
alt.tv.scifi.channel
alt.tv.star-trek.tng
alt.tv.twilight.zone
alt.usenet.kooks
bit.listserv.autism
comp.robotics.misc
fr.soc.politique
k12.chat.teacher
misc.invest.futures
misc.invest.technical
mn.humor
rec.arts.drwho
rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc
rec.arts.startrek.current
rec.arts.tv
rec.audio.pro
rec.gambling.poker
rec.games.frp.dnd
rec.sport.pro-wrestling
sci.astro.amateur
sci.bio.microbiology
sci.crypt
sci.econ
sci.engr.joining.welding
sci.space.policy
sci.*
soc.culture.jewish
soc.religion.quaker
talk.origins
talk.politics.libertarian
talk.politics.misc
us.military.army
Hmm. More than I'd thought; they've slowly built up over time.
Some of them seem to be the places the kooks find the like-minded, some
seem to be places the kooks are targeting, and some just seem to be
evidence the kooks are spraying as widely as they can.
But killfiling on crossposts not only filters out a lot of the kooks,
it wipes out whole threads about why atheism suxxors, those
interminable arguments about the finances of space exploration, and
more. Unless someone trims the crossports, but once one of those gets
going, few do.
It gives more signal, less noise.
Default User
> In article <hughes-384C0D....@news.acm.uiuc.edu>,
> hughes <hug...@illinois.edu> wrote:
> > group:rec.arts.sf.written -"alt.atheism"
>
> Hey, this is quality advice even for those of us with good
> newsreaders. I've been killfiling this stuff by subject, but just
> whacking anything posted to that group ought to be a lot easier.
I have a number of filters for various newsgroups favored by
cross-posting trolls.
Brian
--
Day 289 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project
Mike Schilling
> In article
> <97685909-be88-4f24...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> DanSolo <daniel...@ucd.ie> writes:
>
>> Last one I thought was truly great? I guess Dreamsnake, which I
>> read
>
> Would this be _Dreamsnake_ by Vonda McIntyre, or are there other
> books with the same title? I bounced off of McIntyre's book on my
> first attempt, made it through about a decade later. Now, I don't
> remember a thing about it.
I presumed (perhaps incorrectly) that it was an expansion of "Of Mist,
and Grass, and Sand", which I foind pointless, so I never looked for
the novel. For a long tiome, it was the one Hugo-winning novel I'd
skipped; there are many more now.
rexg...@yahoo.co.uk
> : "Mike Schilling" <mscottschill...@hotmail.com>
> : Or, better yet, fight the good fight by posting something
> : constructive. What was the last SF book you really enjoyed?
>
> Well, hopefully not the last... hopefully just "most recent".
>
> Hm. If I were to split that into two subquestions, which
> science-fiction-like book vs which fantasy-like book, I think Turn
> Coat probably for the latter. I have read other books I really like
> since then, but mostly re-reads. I've read a few I like, but probably
> not quite so much. Though I wouldn't say Turn Coat was the strongest
> of that series...
>
>
> Wayne Throop thro...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
I enjoyed Turn Coat but I felt the reveal of who the Evil Villain was
and his methods was not really that believable
Regards
Rex
Szymon Sokół
> I killfile anything crossposted to, lessee:
[----]
> Hmm. More than I'd thought; they've slowly built up over time.
I have briefly considered killfiling crossposts to *any* alt.* groups, but
the the thread crossposted to alt.folklore.urban appeared, and I changed my
mind.
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Kurt Busiek
<szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> said:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:27:43 -0800, Kurt Busiek wrote:
>
>> I killfile anything crossposted to, lessee:
> [----]
>> Hmm. More than I'd thought; they've slowly built up over time.
>
> I have briefly considered killfiling crossposts to *any* alt.* groups, but
> the the thread crossposted to alt.folklore.urban appeared, and I changed my
> mind.
Yeah, it took a while, but eventually I realized, "You lnow, is any
post cross-posted to a sci. group going to be a discussion I'm
interested in? Probably not..."
Andrew Plotkin
I killfile any RASF* post whose newsgroups header contains the string
"atheism"... or more than three groups, total.
It's not the 1990s, and there are no valid crossposts to four or more
groups. (I'd say "three or more", but the conservative cut seems to be
sufficient.)
--Z
--
"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
*
Andrew Plotkin
Your presumption is correct, however.
Kurt Busiek
> Here, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>
>> I killfile anything crossposted to, lessee:
>> [long list]
>
> I killfile any RASF* post whose newsgroups header contains the string
> "atheism"... or more than three groups, total.
On headers, I killfile:
adult friend finder
As Others See Us,
bangbros
beastiality
braless
brianna banks
Building Real Spaceships
camel toes
Charlie Stross vs. Interstellar Colonization
Class names for starships
Ed Conrad
Ending The Recession OT
free porn
free xxx
gang bang
GirlGenius
Girl Genius
granny sex
horse cock
hot lesbians
hot young girls
Legalized Murder
Libertarian cartoons
lolita
milf
mooie
naked teens
nude babes
nymphet
Orson Scott Card and Evolution...
Peachy's MySpace page
porn movies
porn videos
preteen
racefail
sex videos
Socialism in SF
Space travel is no longer SF
teen nudist
titty fuck
Tom Kratman at Baen
Trolling the Goss
twat
Twenty Billion Habitable Worlds
WHO KILLED JFK?
www.hsshopping.com
And any post with three or more crossposts in addition to rasf.
Some of those threads are long dead, I expect, but it doesn't take any
effort to leave them in the killfile.
> It's not the 1990s, and there are no valid crossposts to four or more
> groups. (I'd say "three or more", but the conservative cut seems to be
> sufficient.)
Yeah, if an interesting SF-related discussion breaks out in a thread
with "titty fuck" in the title. I'll miss it. But I'm not really
sweating the possibility.
DanSolo
wrote:
> Have you ever looked at Clark Ashton Smith's works that are set in
> a closely related mileu?
I think after 5,000 pages of HP I'll be ready to try something else
for a while...
> Would this be _Dreamsnake_ by Vonda McIntyre, or are there other
> books with the same title? I bounced off of McIntyre's book on my
> first attempt, made it through about a decade later. Now, I don't
> remember a thing about it.
Sure is. Different strokes and all.
"won the 1979 Hugo Award, the 1978 Nebula Award, and the 1979 Locus
Award" says Wikipedia.
No affect on your opinion, but it might be a pointer to the wider
audience that it's worth a look.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> Here, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> I killfile anything crossposted to, lessee:
>> [long list]
>
> I killfile any RASF* post whose newsgroups header contains the string
> "atheism"... or more than three groups, total.
>
> It's not the 1990s, and there are no valid crossposts to four or more
> groups.
Why were there valid crossposts for four or more groups before but not now?
--
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Default User
> I killfile anything crossposted to, lessee:
[snip list]
Yeah, I have ton as well. When I see a troll, and there's a newsgroup I
don't read or is likely to be a legit crosspost to something I'd read,
I just dump that into the filters. Unfortunately, there are some people
who think they are Doing The Right Thing by removing crossposts before
replying to the trolls.
Andrew Plotkin
> Andrew Plotkin wrote:
> > Here, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
> >> I killfile anything crossposted to, lessee:
> >> [long list]
> >
> > I killfile any RASF* post whose newsgroups header contains the string
> > "atheism"... or more than three groups, total.
> >
> > It's not the 1990s, and there are no valid crossposts to four or more
> > groups.
>
> Why were there valid crossposts for four or more groups
> before but not now?
Back in ancient days of yore (ie, when I got here, which is later than
some), there was a lot more shared culture between newsgroups. You'd
see some of the same names on even unrelated groups. This meant that
crossposting was extending a conversation to a different slice of a
heterogenous community, rather than (as now) gate-crashing a separate
community.
By the same token, flame-retardant practices have become much more
specialized. Any given political blowhard on RASFW would be an
inflammatory troll on any other newsgroup, simply because the people
there haven't built up the same calluses we have. That's why
crosspost-trolling *exists.*
This isn't to say that a four-group crosspost would have been a *good
idea* in 1990 -- but I'd have looked at it as an honest mistake,
rather than auto-categorizing it as malspeech.
(On the other side of the coin, of course, the value of the disk space
saved by crossposting a message has declined. Slightly.)
--Z (slightly below the price of used kleenex)
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
There have been times I wanted to post something to five different
groups, but because of people's reflexive "CROSSPOST... BAAAD!" reaction
I had to do it five separate times.
But then, you have a killfile to begin with, which puts you in an
entirely different category than I.
Greg Goss
>Trolling the Goss
>Some of those threads are long dead, I expect, but it doesn't take any
>effort to leave them in the killfile.
Many probably wish. (grin) As you say, killfiles don't take any
particular effort.
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
Konrad Gaertner
>
> Or, better yet, fight the good fight by posting something
> constructive. What was the last SF book you really enjoyed?
Some people may have noticed I've been neglicting my booklog since
June, and I'm still not motivated to restart it. But I'd be happy to
discuss the books I've read since then, if anyone asks.
Scott McCloud, _Understanding Comics_
John Meaney, _Paradox_
Jacqueline Carey, _Santa Olivia_
Daniel Abraham, _A Betrayal in Winter_
Charlaine Harris, _Dead and Gone_
Patricia Briggs, _When Demons Walk_
Jacqueline Carey, _Naamah's Kiss_
Tanya Huff, _The Enchantment Emporium_
Galen Beckett, _The Magicians and Mrs. Quent_
Ursula Vernon, _Dragonbreath_
Morgan Howell, _King's Property_
Jenifer Fallon, _The Gods of Amyrantha_
David Anthony Durham, _The War with the Mein_
Martha Wells, "The Forest Boy"
Patricia Briggs, _Homecoming_
Patricia Briggs, _Hunting Ground_
Jane Lindskold, _Nine Gates_
Kat Richardson, _Vanished_
David Anthony Durham, _The Other Lands_
F. Paul Wilson, _Ground Zero_
Michelle Sagara [West], _Cast in Silence_
Seanan McGuire, _Rosemary and Rue_
Patricia Briggs, "Seeing Eye"
C.E. Murphy, _Walking Dead_
Jim Butcher, "Last Call"
Terry Pratchett, _Unseen Academicals_
Derek Landy, _The Faceless Ones_
Brandon Sanderson, _Alcatraz versus the Knights of Crystallia_
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Kurt Busiek
> Mike Schilling wrote:
>>
>> Or, better yet, fight the good fight by posting something
>> constructive. What was the last SF book you really enjoyed?
>
> Some people may have noticed I've been neglicting my booklog since
> June, and I'm still not motivated to restart it. But I'd be happy to
> discuss the books I've read since then, if anyone asks.
>
> Scott McCloud, _Understanding Comics_
> Kat Richardson, _Vanished_
> Jim Butcher, "Last Call"
> Terry Pratchett, _Unseen Academicals_
These are the only ones on your list that I've actually read. And I
worked on one of them.
> Tanya Huff, _The Enchantment Emporium_
> Seanan McGuire, _Rosemary and Rue_
I read Kindle samples of both of these, but wasn't moved to read the
rest. I might come back to the McGuire, though.
Konrad Gaertner
I picked this up because of a thread on James' blog about comic styles.
Unfortunately, McCloud talks almost exclusively about techniques
instead, especially the history of techniques.
> > Kat Richardson, _Vanished_
This was good; we learn a lot about the heroine's family and a little
about vampire politics (and it turns out I was wrong about one
character being a dragon). I should warn people that only half the
conflict is resolved in this book.
> > Jim Butcher, "Last Call"
Harry Dresden short story about beer.
> > Terry Pratchett, _Unseen Academicals_
A mediocre Discworld novel about sports. Specifically a game similar
to rugby or soccer that we're told has been a major part of
Ankh-Morpork's culture for centuries, with fierce inter-neighborhood
rivalries leading to riots after every game, despite never being
mentioned in any of the previous books.
> > Tanya Huff, _The Enchantment Emporium_
Stand alone urban fantasy about a family of witches in Canada.
Surprisingly rigid gender roles for a modern novel, and the
protagonists are remarkably casual in their abuse of power.
> > Seanan McGuire, _Rosemary and Rue_
Fairies in San Francisco. Most of the conflict resolves around the
heroine's history with the other characters, which probably isn't
the best way to start a series, even if it was done well. Also
includes lots of characters having the memories tampered with,
which I never like.
firebi...@invalid.invalid
newsgroups, or to the specific newsgroups listed below in Agent?
The problem is that the Newsgroups header is not retrieved until the
post is retrieved while Agent does its kill filters based on the
Subject and Author headers retrieved before the post is retrieved.
Thanks.
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:27:43 -0800, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
wrote:
Kurt Busiek
> Is there any way to kill threads crossposted to more than three
> newsgroups, or to the specific newsgroups listed below in Agent?
No idea. I'm using Unison.
> The problem is that the Newsgroups header is not retrieved until the
> post is retrieved while Agent does its kill filters based on the
> Subject and Author headers retrieved before the post is retrieved.
>
> Thanks.
I hope someone else can provide you with a solution.
kdb
Dorothy J Heydt
Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> > Seanan McGuire, _Rosemary and Rue_
>
>Fairies in San Francisco. Most of the conflict resolves around the
>heroine's history with the other characters, which probably isn't
>the best way to start a series, even if it was done well. Also
>includes lots of characters having the memories tampered with,
>which I never like.
I know Seanan -- she's a friend of my daughter's -- and I started
reading this and got about thirty pages in. Too dark for my
taste.
trag
I didn't like it. IIRC, it or a subset was serialized in Analog. I
slogged through it, but found it uninteresting and rather pointless at
the time. I was a young teen then, so I might find something in it
worthwhile if I reread it now.
firebi...@invalid.invalid
wrote:
>On 2009-11-19 11:08:28 -0800, firebi...@invalid.invalid said:
>
>> Is there any way to kill threads crossposted to more than three
>> newsgroups, or to the specific newsgroups listed below in Agent?
>
>No idea. I'm using Unison.
>
>> The problem is that the Newsgroups header is not retrieved until the
>> post is retrieved while Agent does its kill filters based on the
>> Subject and Author headers retrieved before the post is retrieved.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>I hope someone else can provide you with a solution.
>
>kdb
>
I finally found out how to open the right dialog box for Agent. Start
at Folders menu and select Properties, Receiving Messages, and Usenet
Crossposting. This opens the right dialog box. Then check Enable
Crosspost Checking (applies to all folders) and Override Default
Settings. Then set it to kill any message posted to more than 3
newsgroups and various other settings.
Kurt Busiek
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:29:24 -0800, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2009-11-19 11:08:28 -0800, firebi...@invalid.invalid said:
>>
>>> Is there any way to kill threads crossposted to more than three
>>> newsgroups, or to the specific newsgroups listed below in Agent?
>>
>> No idea. I'm using Unison.
>>
>>> The problem is that the Newsgroups header is not retrieved until the
>>> post is retrieved while Agent does its kill filters based on the
>>> Subject and Author headers retrieved before the post is retrieved.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> I hope someone else can provide you with a solution.
>>
> I finally found out how to open the right dialog box for Agent. Start
> at Folders menu and select Properties, Receiving Messages, and Usenet
> Crossposting. This opens the right dialog box. Then check Enable
> Crosspost Checking (applies to all folders) and Override Default
> Settings. Then set it to kill any message posted to more than 3
> newsgroups and various other settings.
Excellent. That makes no sense to me, since I've never used Agent, but
it sounds like you've solved the problem.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
wrote:
>On 2009-11-19 13:40:26 -0800, firebi...@invalid.invalid said:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:29:24 -0800, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-11-19 11:08:28 -0800, firebi...@invalid.invalid said:
>>>
>>>> Is there any way to kill threads crossposted to more than three
>>>> newsgroups, or to the specific newsgroups listed below in Agent?
>>>
>>> No idea. I'm using Unison.
>>>
>>>> The problem is that the Newsgroups header is not retrieved until the
>>>> post is retrieved while Agent does its kill filters based on the
>>>> Subject and Author headers retrieved before the post is retrieved.
>>>
>> I finally found out how to open the right dialog box for Agent. Start
>> at Folders menu and select Properties, Receiving Messages, and Usenet
>> Crossposting. This opens the right dialog box. Then check Enable
>> Crosspost Checking (applies to all folders) and Override Default
>> Settings. Then set it to kill any message posted to more than 3
>> newsgroups and various other settings.
>
>Excellent. That makes no sense to me, since I've never used Agent, but
>it sounds like you've solved the problem.
Not necessarily; he's using a later version of Agent than mine. I
don't have those options.
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Jim Gysin
firebi...@invalid.invalid sent the following on 11/19/2009 1:08 PM:
> Is there any way to kill threads crossposted to more than three
> newsgroups, or to the specific newsgroups listed below in Agent?
> The problem is that the Newsgroups header is not retrieved until the
> post is retrieved while Agent does its kill filters based on the
> Subject and Author headers retrieved before the post is retrieved.
>
> Thanks.
Option One: Use Newsproxy (aka nfilter), which works very well with
Agent and, once set up, will work just as well with many other readers,
including Thunderbird. I use it for both Agent and T-bird.
Option Two: Ask your question on the Agent support group, which is at:
alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent
Good group of folks there. I only use Agent as a backup for the most
part, but I follow this group and they're good at answering any
Agent-related questions.
--
Jim Gysin
Waukesha, WI
Kurt Busiek
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:47:12 -0800, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2009-11-19 13:40:26 -0800, firebi...@invalid.invalid said:
>>
>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:29:24 -0800, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2009-11-19 11:08:28 -0800, firebi...@invalid.invalid said:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there any way to kill threads crossposted to more than three
>>>>> newsgroups, or to the specific newsgroups listed below in Agent?
>>>>
>>>> No idea. I'm using Unison.
>>>>
>>>>> The problem is that the Newsgroups header is not retrieved until the
>>>>> post is retrieved while Agent does its kill filters based on the
>>>>> Subject and Author headers retrieved before the post is retrieved.
>>>>
>>> I finally found out how to open the right dialog box for Agent. Start
>>> at Folders menu and select Properties, Receiving Messages, and Usenet
>>> Crossposting. This opens the right dialog box. Then check Enable
>>> Crosspost Checking (applies to all folders) and Override Default
>>> Settings. Then set it to kill any message posted to more than 3
>>> newsgroups and various other settings.
>>
>> Excellent. That makes no sense to me, since I've never used Agent, but
>> it sounds like you've solved the problem.
>
> Not necessarily; he's using a later version of Agent than mine. I
> don't have those options.
Yeah, but he's the guy who was looking for a solution, so the solution
he's implemented should work on his system because it's his system he's
describing.
Don Aitken
wrote:
>Is there any way to kill threads crossposted to more than three
>newsgroups, or to the specific newsgroups listed below in Agent?
>The problem is that the Newsgroups header is not retrieved until the
>post is retrieved while Agent does its kill filters based on the
>Subject and Author headers retrieved before the post is retrieved.
>
>Thanks.
>
I don't recall the details, because I don't use it, but what you need
is "cross-post management". Look in the Help file.
--
Don Aitken
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gary hayenga
> In article <4B05738C...@tx.rr.com>,
> Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Seanan McGuire, _Rosemary and Rue_
>>
>> Fairies in San Francisco. Most of the conflict resolves around the
>> heroine's history with the other characters, which probably isn't
>> the best way to start a series, even if it was done well. Also
>> includes lots of characters having the memories tampered with,
>> which I never like.
>
> I know Seanan -- she's a friend of my daughter's -- and I started
> reading this and got about thirty pages in. Too dark for my
> taste.
Yeah, if you like that sort of thing it's pretty well done, if you
don't mind the memory tampering too much.
But if you didn't like the first 30 pages because it was too dark then
stopping was probably the right thing to do.
Neither one of those two are my favorite things either, but it was well
enough done that I'll probably try a sequel out, in paperback.
Mike Schilling
>
> Yeah, but he's the guy who was looking for a solution, so the
> solution
> he's implemented should work on his system because it's his system
> he's describing.
>
You can tell that Kurt's a creative type, because someone who did
software for a living wouldn't feel so confident of that.
William December Starr
thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) said:
> By the way, the Amazon description of [First Lord's Fury] is
> bizarre:
>
> For years he has endured the endless trials and triumphs of a man
> whose skill and power could not be restrained. Battling ancient
> enemies, forging new alliances, and confronting the corruption
> within his own land, Gaius Octavian became a legendary man of
> war-and the rightful First Lord of Alera.
>
> But now, the savage Vord are on the march, and Gaius must lead his
> legions to the Calderon Valley to stand against them-using all of
> his intelligence, ingenuity, and furycraft to save their world from
> eternal darkness.
"What's this I hear about furrycraft in Jim Butcher novels?"
-- wds
Melita Kennedy
> Mike Schilling wrote:
>> Or, better yet, fight the good fight by posting something
>> constructive. What was the last SF book you really enjoyed?
>
> Some people may have noticed I've been neglicting my booklog since
> June, and I'm still not motivated to restart it. But I'd be happy to
> discuss the books I've read since then, if anyone asks.
>
> Galen Beckett, _The Magicians and Mrs. Quent_
> Ursula Vernon, _Dragonbreath_
> Morgan Howell, _King's Property_
> Jenifer Fallon, _The Gods of Amyrantha_
> David Anthony Durham, _The War with the Mein_
> Martha Wells, "The Forest Boy"
> David Anthony Durham, _The Other Lands_
I would be interested in hearing about any of these. I started the
Beckett but stalled. I liked the Wells and Sagara, but the "Cast..."
series is a bit of guilty pleasure for me.
Thanks!
Melita
Konrad Gaertner
>
> Konrad Gaertner wrote:
> >
> > Some people may have noticed I've been neglicting my booklog since
> > June, and I'm still not motivated to restart it. But I'd be happy to
> > discuss the books I've read since then, if anyone asks.
> >
> > Daniel Abraham, _A Betrayal in Winter_
> > Tanya Huff, _The Enchantment Emporium_
> > Galen Beckett, _The Magicians and Mrs. Quent_
> > Ursula Vernon, _Dragonbreath_
> > Morgan Howell, _King's Property_
> > Jenifer Fallon, _The Gods of Amyrantha_
> > David Anthony Durham, _The War with the Mein_
> > Martha Wells, "The Forest Boy"
> > Jane Lindskold, _Nine Gates_
> > David Anthony Durham, _The Other Lands_
> > Michelle Sagara [West], _Cast in Silence_
>
> I would be interested in hearing about any of these. I started the
> Beckett but stalled.
Beckett started slow, and the characters were never quite as
interesting as they should have been (especially the heroine).
> I liked the Wells and Sagara, but the "Cast..."
> series is a bit of guilty pleasure for me.
Yeah, the Cast series is fun and interesting, and it was good to
finally learn more about the heroine's past, but it would have been
much better without the time travel.
The Abraham is the sequel to _A Shadow in Summer_, and is pretty
bleak due to all the characters deliberately doing whatever actions
will cause themselves the most pain and misery.
The Fallon is the sequel to _The Immortal Prince_, and all the
characters repeatedly fail to notice the obvious.
The Durham's are the start of a trilogy and the Lindskold is the
sequel to _Thirteen Orphans_. Both of these series are good
fantasy, especially if you're looking for non-caucasian characters.
I don't recommend the other books.
Aaron Bergman
Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> Seanan McGuire, _Rosemary and Rue_
I just finished this one and liked it a fair bit. And that's a bit of a
surprise to me because it has the same damn plot as pretty much every
other urban fantasy novel out there. It just does it better than most of
the others. Any novel that starts with its heroine spending 14 years as
a fish can't be all that bad.
On the other hand, _Spiral Hunt_ by somebody or another is to be avoided.
Aaron
Chuk Goodin
>
>Well... at least he battled ancient enemies and forged new alliances
>with them, specifically the Marat and the Canim. (And with the Marat
>ambassador, *boy* did he force alliances, wink wink nudge nudge.)
I'm guessing that's a typo for "forge", but it made me think that you
would Certainly Not want to try to force alliances with her...
--
chuk
Chuk Goodin
wrote:
>Brandon Sanderson, _Alcatraz versus the Knights of Crystallia_
How did that one compare to the previous Alcatraz books?
--
chuk
Konrad Gaertner
I'm going to keep reading the series, but I'm only interested in
owning the first book. Alcatraz is trying a little too hard to be
Lemony Snicket instead of doing what he does best (insulting the
reader). This book is set in the Free Kingdoms, which are even
sillier than I expected.
Wayne Throop
:: with them, specifically the Marat and the Canim. (And with the Marat
:: ambassador, *boy* did he force alliances, wink wink nudge nudge.)
: cgo...@sfu.ca (Chuk Goodin)
: I'm guessing that's a typo for "forge", but it made me think that you
: would Certainly Not want to try to force alliances with her...
Heh. Yes, typo. But pointing it out puts me in mind
of casting Bruce Willis as Tavi and Mila Jovovich as Kitai.
Of course, Bruce is totally wrong for Tavi, but Bruce and Mila
did have that sort of entranced-facination vs force-of-nature
thing going on that you'd need for Tavi and Kitai. And Mila
could do well with the white-hair-in-a-horse-mane-cut thing.
Or could have, as of the time she played Leeloo.
"Are there others like you? With Aleran chala?"
"No. Our peoples have never been close, and whelps
are usually kept safeguarded from any outsiders.
I am the only one."
"But what clan would you go to, if you went back
to your people?"
"<shrug> I am the only one."
"That must be difficult. To be alone."
"I would knot know. I am not alone."
--- Isana and Kitai (edited for soundbititude)
(Kitai is referencing a conversation she had with
Tavi from an earlier book in the series)
<Insert "the most wonderful think about Kitai" song here>
(though the "X are made out of Y" lines would probably get risque)
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw