Werewolf fiction
Silk
says "the classic werewolf novel" and the "best American novel about
lycanthropy".What are the other great werewolf novels?
Gene
db9b07...@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
> Recently enjoyed Williamson's Darker Than You Think.On the flap it
> says "the classic werewolf novel" and the "best American novel about
> lycanthropy".What are the other great werewolf novels?
Herodotus, Histories. But possibly you don't think that is a novel. "Great"
is asking a lot. Strieber's The Wolfen is interesting, and there has been a
rash of decent werewolf novels recently. I'll note Tanya Huff's Blood Trail,
Bitten by Kelley Armstrong, Fool Moon by Jim Butcher, Kitty and the Midnight
Hour by Carrie Vaughn, Mooncalled by Patricia Briggs.
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Sean O'Hara
> Recently enjoyed Williamson's Darker Than You Think.On the flap it
> says "the classic werewolf novel" and the "best American novel about
> lycanthropy".What are the other great werewolf novels?
Guy Endore's The Werewolf of Paris is about it. The only other one
of significance that I know of is Wagner the Wehr-wolf, which
Lovecraft called the "enfeebled posterity" of Gothic fiction.
Stephen King makes an argument that Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde is one
in spirit; King himself wrote a novella called Cycle of the
Werewolf, but it's not one of his better works.
In short stories, there's Angela Carter, who wrote several brilliant
tales involving werewolves, all of which can be found in Burning
Your Boats. Several of them were strung together to form Neil
Jordan's film The Company of Wolves.
And though not great, A. Lee Martinez's Gil's All Fright Diner is
highly entertaining.
Most of the great werewolf fiction has been in film form -- The
Wolf-man, American Werewolf in London, and Ginger Snaps are all
better than any of the novels mentioned.
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Jacey Bedford
<247f93d1-c0ca-4905...@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Silk <giles...@googlemail.com> writes
>Recently enjoyed Williamson's Darker Than You Think.On the flap it
>says "the classic werewolf novel" and the "best American novel about
>lycanthropy".What are the other great werewolf novels?
Patricia Briggs' Mercy Thomson series, starting with Moon Called, then
Blood Bound, Iron Kissed and (new out) Bone Crossed. Definitely a cut
above the average. (Two cuts above the average even!)
I've read the first Kitty book by Carrie Vaughan (Kitty and the Midnight
Hour) and enjoyed it, (and have ordered the second, Kitty goes to
Washington), but it left more open ends than any of Briggs' books,
obviously to draw you into reading the next. Briggs doesn't need tricks
like that. Each book is complete in itself, but there's an ongoing story
and you don't need tricks to have you foaming at the mouth for the next
one.
Briggs has also written another book in the Mercy Thompson world - Cry
Wolf - but focusing on another character. I haven't read it yet, but I
have it on my to-read pile.
Jacey
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I'm greatly enjoying Vaughn's Kitty Norville series and Briggs' Mercy
Thompson series (but not so much the spinoff Charles and Anna series).
If you're looking for something more literary (read: bleak and
depressing) try Kit Whitfield's _Benighted_.
There's also a webcomic I really like that /hints/ at being about
werewolves, but hasn't actually shown proof yet.
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> Briggs has also written another book in the Mercy Thompson world - Cry
> Wolf - but focusing on another character.
Alas, that's such an obvious Werewolf title. It was the title of the
first fanfic that Virigar ever appeared in, and is the title of it's
real-story equivalent, too.
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peachy ashie passion
> In message
> <247f93d1-c0ca-4905...@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> Silk <giles...@googlemail.com> writes
>> Recently enjoyed Williamson's Darker Than You Think.On the flap it
>> says "the classic werewolf novel" and the "best American novel about
>> lycanthropy".What are the other great werewolf novels?
>
> Patricia Briggs' Mercy Thomson series, starting with Moon Called, then
> Blood Bound, Iron Kissed and (new out) Bone Crossed. Definitely a cut
> above the average. (Two cuts above the average even!)
>
> I've read the first Kitty book by Carrie Vaughan (Kitty and the Midnight
> Hour) and enjoyed it, (and have ordered the second, Kitty goes to
> Washington), but it left more open ends than any of Briggs' books,
> obviously to draw you into reading the next. Briggs doesn't need tricks
> like that. Each book is complete in itself, but there's an ongoing story
> and you don't need tricks to have you foaming at the mouth for the next
> one.
>
> Briggs has also written another book in the Mercy Thompson world - Cry
> Wolf - but focusing on another character. I haven't read it yet, but I
> have it on my to-read pile.
>
> Jacey
>
Cry Wolf itself shares secondary characters with Mercy Thompson, but
frankly it's almost a straight paranormal romance. It's cute and well
done for what it is, but it lacks the pieces that take Mercy from being
strictly romance.
--
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P.C. Cast, “It’s in His Kiss” in Mysteria Lane
Wayne Throop
: Briggs has also written another book in the Mercy Thompson world - Cry
: have it on my to-read pile.
Note that the story pickes up abruptly in the middle, as if the first
three chapters had been snipped off. And it may well be that the first
three chapters were snipped off and published in a collection called "On
the Prowl", with stories by three other authors, all of which end abruptly
with a note that the adventure is continued in series X by author Y.
Well... not quite abruptly as in mid-sentence with no resolution at all,
but definitely all works that could be the first few chapters of a novel,
and the Briggs story, "Alpha and Omega", definitely reads that way.
It's possible it was always intended to be two separate publications,
since A&O and CW have different bad guys to thwart, and the A&O bad guy
is pretty thoroughly thwarted before CW starts. But it reads as if a
novel had been snipped in the middle at a convenient break in the action.
A&O leaves off with our heroine telling the Marrok she's agreed to go
to Montana, and CW picks up minutes later as the Marrok accompanies her
to pack stuff from her appartment to make the trip, with a "prologue"
and some recap inserted. I read CW first, and noted to myself that the
start was rather abrupt and the exposition of the situation a bit clumsy
and forced, which is unlike Briggs. Then I read A&O, and it all fell
into place.
I guess the bottom line is, if you read CW and get curious about how
Charles got in the pickle he's in beyond just a quick recap, you know
where to go for the story. And you'll realize the other stories there
also seem similarly crafted as lead-in bits to larger stories and/or
series.
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Wayne Throop
: There's also a webcomic I really like that /hints/ at being about
Which one? I note there's also "Awakenings", a webcomic that shows
some promise, but updates in sloooooooooooooow motion.
http://erichobbsonline.com/awakenings/
Konrad Gaertner
>
> : Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com>
> : There's also a webcomic I really like that /hints/ at being about
> : werewolves, but hasn't actually shown proof yet.
>
> Which one? I note there's also "Awakenings", a webcomic that shows
> some promise, but updates in sloooooooooooooow motion.
> http://erichobbsonline.com/awakenings/
I haven't seen that one yet; I was talking about "Family Man":
http://lutherlevy.com/
Wayne Throop
: I was talking about "Family Man":
: http://lutherlevy.com/
Looks... interesting. Thanks.
"An increasing stock of Questions and a diminishing supply of Answers."
Heh.
erilar
Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Patricia Briggs' Mercy Thomson series, starting with Moon Called, then
> Blood Bound, Iron Kissed and (new out) Bone Crossed.
Slipped past me! Added to list. I'm not into werewolves, but I do like
Briggs.
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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I think it's very early to identify any classics since the bulk of werewolf
fiction has been written in the last 10 years or so.
The only other "classic" I can think of is Anderson's _Operation Chaos_.
Of the new books, I think Kitty is pretty good so far (haven't read the hell
one yet).
Ted
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Gene
32CBE0.184...@news.airstreamcomm.net:
>> Patricia Briggs' Mercy Thomson series, starting with Moon Called, then
>> Blood Bound, Iron Kissed and (new out) Bone Crossed.
>
> Slipped past me! Added to list. I'm not into werewolves, but I do like
> Briggs.
I really don't get why her werewolves are the bestest werewolves going.
Howard Brazee
<tednolan>) wrote:
>I think it's very early to identify any classics since the bulk of werewolf
>fiction has been written in the last 10 years or so.
>
>The only other "classic" I can think of is Anderson's _Operation Chaos_.
It did have a sequel written much later, but with the same characters.
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Dorothy J Heydt
Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:06:35 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
><tednolan>) wrote:
>
>>I think it's very early to identify any classics since the bulk of werewolf
>>fiction has been written in the last 10 years or so.
>>
>>The only other "classic" I can think of is Anderson's _Operation Chaos_.
>
>It did have a sequel written much later, but with the same characters.
_Operation Luna._ Not as good.
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peachy ashie passion
> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> rote in news:drache-
> 32CBE0.184...@news.airstreamcomm.net:
>
>>> Patricia Briggs' Mercy Thomson series, starting with Moon Called, then
>>> Blood Bound, Iron Kissed and (new out) Bone Crossed.
>> Slipped past me! Added to list. I'm not into werewolves, but I do like
>> Briggs.
>
> I really don't get why her werewolves are the bestest werewolves going.
>
I love Briggs, but I don't think I like her Werewolves as much as I
like Hamilton's. I like the mythology and pack structure of Hamilton's
wolves quite a bit.
Or maybe I just like that I know it.
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>>>The only other "classic" I can think of is Anderson's _Operation Chaos_.
>>
>>It did have a sequel written much later, but with the same characters.
>
>_Operation Luna._ Not as good.
Nope. The most fun in the sequel was translating names from his
world to ours.
Gene
u5....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net:
>> I really don't get why her werewolves are the bestest werewolves going.
>>
>
> I love Briggs, but I don't think I like her Werewolves as much as I
> like Hamilton's. I like the mythology and pack structure of Hamilton's
> wolves quite a bit.
There's a lot of similarity between the major brands of werewolf these days,
strongly influenced by studies of wolves as social animals. In practical
terms, when checking out a new brand of werewolf, is checking to see what
percentage of the content is romance.
Andrew Wheeler
From last year, there's Toby Barlow's _Sharp Teeth_, an excellent novel
(in verse) about werewolves, gangs, drugs, and kitchen sinks in LA.
--
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htn963
Guy Endore's _The Werewolf of Paris_. Still my favorite horror novel
to date and one of the greatest novels in any genre.
If comics can qualify as "great" or close to it, then Richard Corben
has illustrated (?and written?) several memorably lurid and ironic
werewolf tales. They're collected in a Corben book called simply
"Werewolf."
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Robert A. Woodward
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,
Silk <giles...@googlemail.com> wrote:
H. Warner Munn wrote several werewolf stories for Weird Tales back
in the 1920s ("The Werewolf of Ponkert" and a number of sequels).
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Wayne Throop
: Gene <ge...@chewbacca.org>
: I really don't get why her werewolves are the bestest werewolves going.
Hm. Do intend that to convey "I think they are the best werewolves going,
but I can't explain why", or "I think they are not the best werewolves
going, and I can't explain why some others think differently"?
Or something else entirely?
Anyways... I took "I'm not into werewolves but I like Briggs" to
imply no assertion that her werewolves are the best werewolves.
It's consistent with her werewolves being inferior to others,
as werewolves, but she just tells more interesting stories about them.
Mind you... I'm not sure she really "tells more interesting stories"
exactly... but I agree that I don't read her books because they got
really cool werewolves in them. Their properties seem pretty
vanilla and/or cliche, actually.
Hey, speaking of Briggs werewolves, and the recent mention of Cry Wolf,
leading to the collectio containing Alpha and Omega... did anybody
read Eileen Wilks' "Inhuman" in that collection? Or better, any of the
other Eileen WIlks "Lupi" books? Of the non-Briggs stories in that
book, that one seemed to me to have the most promise. Plus, I could
almost slide into thinking that story was a Briggs story... almost.
Anybody else read those, and/or get a similar impression?
Gene
>:: Slipped past me! Added to list. I'm not into werewolves,
>:: but I do like Briggs.
>
>: Gene <ge...@chewbacca.org>
>: I really don't get why her werewolves are the bestest werewolves going.
>
> Hm. Do intend that to convey "I think they are the best werewolves
going,
> but I can't explain why", or "I think they are not the best werewolves
> going, and I can't explain why some others think differently"?
> Or something else entirely?
It typifies the better brand of modern werewolf novel;, but doesn't stand
out from the pack.
> Mind you... I'm not sure she really "tells more interesting stories"
* exactly...
I kind of like Armstrong, but not so much I'd say she stands way out in
front. But Armstrong, Briggs, Vaughan, Huff, Butcher are all writing
decent stuff.
> Hey, speaking of Briggs werewolves, and the recent mention of Cry Wolf,
> leading to the collectio containing Alpha and Omega... did anybody
> read Eileen Wilks' "Inhuman" in that collection? Or better, any of the
> other Eileen WIlks "Lupi" books? Of the non-Briggs stories in that
> book, that one seemed to me to have the most promise. Plus, I could
> almost slide into thinking that story was a Briggs story... almost.
> Anybody else read those, and/or get a similar impression?
it's going to be too much romance for a lot of people; same comment about
York. More romance than I prefer, certainly, and my tolerance is pretty
high.
peachy ashie passion
They are another that I like, but definitely classify in my head as
paranormal romance.
Jenna Black's Mogran Kingsley series is another I find at my
bookstore in the paranormal romance section. That one I think is less
so, Morgan starts with a serious boyfriend at the beginning of the first
book. I think it's in the romance section because of the amount of
graphic sex, which is more than in most SF genre novels.
Jack Bohn
>I think it's very early to identify any classics since the bulk of werewolf
>fiction has been written in the last 10 years or so.
>
>The only other "classic" I can think of is Anderson's _Operation Chaos_.
There's James Blish's "There Shall Be No Darkness."
Psuedoscience werewolf. I thought I'd read it was expanded into
a novel by the addition of witches, but it appears only
novellette, three-to-a-book sized, for the anthology _Witches
Three_. The movie version, The Beast Must Die, was even pretty
good.
--
-Jack
William December Starr
Gene <ge...@chewbacca.org> said:
> There's a lot of similarity between the major brands of werewolf
> these days, strongly influenced by studies of wolves as social
> animals. In practical terms, when checking out a new brand of
> werewolf, is checking to see what percentage of the content is
> romance.
Whatever happened to the days when the furry phase of a werewolf was
just a near-mindless ravening beast simply wandering the terrain in
search of something warm-blooded to hideously shred?
-- wds
Konrad Gaertner
>
> Hey, speaking of Briggs werewolves, and the recent mention of Cry Wolf,
> leading to the collectio containing Alpha and Omega... did anybody
> read Eileen Wilks' "Inhuman" in that collection? Or better, any of the
> other Eileen WIlks "Lupi" books? Of the non-Briggs stories in that
> book, that one seemed to me to have the most promise. Plus, I could
> almost slide into thinking that story was a Briggs story... almost.
> Anybody else read those, and/or get a similar impression?
I read the first novel and thought it was decent, but it's clearly on
the Romance side of the line (especially at the end when she remembers
she's supposed to be immune to magic).
Jacey Bedford
<dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes
>In article <fiXmUrwu...@parkhead.demon.co.uk>,
> Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Patricia Briggs' Mercy Thomson series, starting with Moon Called, then
>> Blood Bound, Iron Kissed and (new out) Bone Crossed.
>
>Slipped past me! Added to list. I'm not into werewolves, but I do like
>Briggs.
>
angle in that the heroine is a coyote shapechanger raised by werewolves
and living under the semi-protection of the local Alpha and his pack.
There are also fae and vampires.
And the characterisation is excellent.
gort
> Recently enjoyed Williamson's Darker Than You Think.On the flap it
> says "the classic werewolf novel" and the "best American novel about
> lycanthropy".What are the other great werewolf novels?
"The Compleat Werewolf" by Anthony Boucher.
Louann Miller
@panix2.panix.com:
> Whatever happened to the days when the furry phase of a werewolf was
> just a near-mindless ravening beast simply wandering the terrain in
> search of something warm-blooded to hideously shred?
Whatever happened to the days when a vampire was a mindlessly evil blood-
sucking walking corpse?
Gene
$gm6...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:
> Jenna Black's Mogran Kingsley series is another I find at my
> bookstore in the paranormal romance section. That one I think is less
> so, Morgan starts with a serious boyfriend at the beginning of the first
> book. I think it's in the romance section because of the amount of
> graphic sex, which is more than in most SF genre novels.
Someone should remark at this point that she's an exorcist, not a werewolf.
The boyfriend is a demon, which isn't as bad as it sounds.
erilar
Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In message <drache-32CBE0....@news.airstreamcomm.net>, erilar
> <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes
> >In article <fiXmUrwu...@parkhead.demon.co.uk>,
> > Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Patricia Briggs' Mercy Thomson series, starting with Moon Called, then
> >> Blood Bound, Iron Kissed and (new out) Bone Crossed.
> >
> >Slipped past me! Added to list. I'm not into werewolves, but I do like
> >Briggs.
> >
> I'm not into werewolves either, but these have a slightly different
> angle in that the heroine is a coyote shapechanger raised by werewolves
> and living under the semi-protection of the local Alpha and his pack.
> There are also fae and vampires.
>
> And the characterisation is excellent.
I'd expect that 8-)
And while I'm typing, if anyone likes hilarious werewolves and
vampires--particularly the latter--check out MaryJanice Davidson.
erilar
Gene <ge...@chewbacca.org> wrote:
> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> rote in news:drache-
> 32CBE0.184...@news.airstreamcomm.net:
>
> >> Patricia Briggs' Mercy Thomson series, starting with Moon Called, then
> >> Blood Bound, Iron Kissed and (new out) Bone Crossed.
> >
> > Slipped past me! Added to list. I'm not into werewolves, but I do like
> > Briggs.
>
> I really don't get why her werewolves are the bestest werewolves going.
Not having read any of that series, I couldn't say. Tastes differ,
however.
erilar
wrote:
> Hey, speaking of Briggs werewolves, and the recent mention of Cry Wolf,
> leading to the collectio containing Alpha and Omega... did anybody
> read Eileen Wilks' "Inhuman" in that collection? Or better, any of the
> other Eileen WIlks "Lupi" books? Of the non-Briggs stories in that
> book, that one seemed to me to have the most promise. Plus, I could
> almost slide into thinking that story was a Briggs story... almost.
> Anybody else read those, and/or get a similar impression?
I've requested the book, along with Cry Wolf, but first the library has
to fetch it before I can 8-)
erilar
Louann Miller <loua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If we were still in them, I wouldn't be interested in either vampires or
werewolves.
Gene
$sJF...@parkhead.demon.co.uk:
> I'm not into werewolves either, but these have a slightly different
> angle in that the heroine is a coyote shapechanger raised by werewolves
* and living under the semi-protection of the local Alpha and his pack.
This makes her something of an outsider, just like Kitty Norville and (for a
long time) Elena Michaels. There is nothing unusual about the Briggs setup.
> There are also fae and vampires.
I won't say there always are, but that or something similar is the usual
setup these days.
As for characterization, I think Armstrong has her beat, though not by any
great margin. It's true that Mercedes Thompson has these freaking vampires
who think they own her, but Elenea was turned into a werewolf by her own
fiancé, whom she is still in love with despite her best efforts not to be.
Pick your soap opera.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Gene <ge...@chewbacca.org> wrote:
>
>
>peachy ashie passion <exquisi...@hotmail.com> rote in news:GyQsl.1901
>$gm6...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:
>
>> Jenna Black's Mogran Kingsley series is another I find at my
>> bookstore in the paranormal romance section. That one I think is less
>> so, Morgan starts with a serious boyfriend at the beginning of the first
>> book. I think it's in the romance section because of the amount of
>> graphic sex, which is more than in most SF genre novels.
>
>Someone should remark at this point that she's an exorcist, not a werewolf.
>The boyfriend is a demon, which isn't as bad as it sounds.
>
No, it's worse than that. Her boyfriend is a lawyer.
(The demon is posessing her intermittently, and trying to push the concept
"you and the lawyer have sex outside, you and me will have sex in your head"
which she hasn't totally bought into yet)
Konrad Gaertner
>
> Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> rote in news:KRKTIU5YU
> $sJF...@parkhead.demon.co.uk:
>
>
> I won't say there always are, but that or something similar is the usual
> setup these days.
>
> As for characterization, I think Armstrong has her beat, though not by any
> great margin.
One thing I really liked about Armstrong's _Bitten_ was that it was
*only* werewolves; all the other supernatural stuff showed up in the
second book.
Doug
> In article <12d6r4tgeqli1n514mk6jsi7730ta43...@4ax.com>,
You're right, not nearly as good. There was another short story from
the '60s, neither the author nor the name of which I can recall:
college professor, German language specialist, maybe, smitten with
Nazi-sympathizer former-student-now-movie-star, who discovers he's
were and thwarts the bad guys. Understated humor, not in the modern
"were" genre.
Doug
Christopher Henrich
<7a453436-9145-4907...@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Doug <roe...@carrollsweb.com> wrote:
That sounds like "The Compleat Werewolf", by Anthony Boucher, dating
from 1942.
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Howard Brazee
have Ed Bryant's autograph in a novel (that I enjoyed) where he is the
model of a werewolf character.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Same thing that happened to vampires just preying upon the living until
their monstrous undead existences are ended by heroic stake-bearing,
cross-wielding Van Helsings?
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peachy ashie passion
We as a society have gone beyond the need to fear the other, and
have become a bit more comfortable with accepting and accommodating the
unknown.
robo
"Silk" <giles...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:247f93d1-c0ca-4905...@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> Recently enjoyed Williamson's Darker Than You Think.On the flap it
> says "the classic werewolf novel" and the "best American novel about
> lycanthropy".What are the other great werewolf novels?
Victor Pelevin has written a fine novel on this theme, _The Sacred Book of
the Werewolf_.
Joseph Nebus
What, you don't approve of domestication?
Incidentally Darrin Bell's comic strip Candorville, which has
always had a rather high science fiction/fantasy/fandom content, is in
the midst of a story that's a bit eccentric but seems to be involving
both werewolves and vampires right now.
http://comics.com/candorville/
[ Brief backstory: Lemont, the guy in the Star Fleet shirt, is
unhappily engaged to the rather crazy Roxanne with whom he had sex long
ago as he doesn't want the child which appears to have come from this
grow up without a father. The guy he's camping with works for Roxanne's
rich family which he claims is one of vampires. The woman Lemont would
*like* to be affianced to last week took in a dog who might be a wolf
and who's demanding to know where Lemont is. ]
]
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Michael Stemper
>peachy ashie passion <exquisi...@hotmail.com> rote in news:cSGsl.1943$%u5....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net:
>>> I really don't get why her werewolves are the bestest werewolves going.
>>
>> I love Briggs, but I don't think I like her Werewolves as much as I
>> like Hamilton's. I like the mythology and pack structure of Hamilton's
>> wolves quite a bit.
>
>There's a lot of similarity between the major brands of werewolf these days,
>strongly influenced by studies of wolves as social animals. In practical
>terms, when checking out a new brand of werewolf, is checking to see what
>percentage of the content is romance.
But, a rational consumer would optimize utility by choosing the
national brand, right?
I think that the only werewolf story that I've ever read was "Full
Sun", by Brian Aldiss. Human forest ranger pursuing werewolf through
a huge nature preserve. Background of central computers sending time
probes to talk with their peers in the far future.
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William December Starr
Louann Miller <loua...@yahoo.com> said:
> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote
>
>> Whatever happened to the days when the furry phase of a werewolf
>> was just a near-mindless ravening beast simply wandering the
>> terrain in search of something warm-blooded to hideously shred?
>
> Whatever happened to the days when a vampire was a mindlessly evil
> blood-sucking walking corpse?
I guess my point, such as it was, was that in American culture the
vampire has "always" been of the Dracula form -- a fully sapient
being that's mentally not much different from a regular human
sociopath -- rather than that of the quasi-zombie of some (most?)
folklore, while the change in werewolf principles seems pretty
recent to me (again, in general culture, so don't throw OPERATION
CHAOS at me).
-- wds
William December Starr
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
>> Whatever happened to the days when the furry phase of a werewolf
>> was just a near-mindless ravening beast simply wandering the
>> terrain in search of something warm-blooded to hideously shred?
>
> Same thing that happened to vampires just preying upon the living
> until their monstrous undead existences are ended by heroic
> stake-bearing, cross-wielding Van Helsings?
I don't understand your point here -- what do they prey upon now,
if not the living? (Other than blood-banks and, in some cases,
artificial blood substitutes).
-- wds
Kurt Busiek
The counterpoint, as I gathered it from the responses, is that vampire
fiction blossomed once there was a popular interpretation of the
vampire who was a character with a personality, and not a mindless
beast.
Thus, it seems to be suggested, the same thing may be happening for the
werewolf. The fact that the vampire underwent that transformation long
ago doesn't mean nothing else can make the same transformation.
To my mind, a story about a mindless beast isn't about the beast -- a
story with midless vampires is about the victims and vampire hunters; a
story with mindless werewolves is about the victims, hunters and/or the
poor cursed sap who exists for all but those three nights per month.
And certainly, that kind of story can be good.
If you want to write a story in which the actual werewolf is a
functional, involving character, he needs to have a character. Which
invites the same kind of literary transformation that vampires went
through.
kdb
Jack Tingle
Something similar works for viruses and bacteria. Ebola isn't much of a
threat because it kills too fast. It never spreads once people realize
what it is. Cholera is a threat (or was) because you die slowly,
infecting many people. The common cold is wildly successful because it's
not lethal and you can still go to work and infect everyone on the
train, the bus, the office, and the shopping mall.
Intensity and frequency are often inversely related. Kitty the Werewolf
with the talk show is an interesting character. A ravening devourer of
flesh (I just watched "Ginger Snaps" last night) is a plot device of
limited usefulness. It works for big lasers, too. One humongous pulse,
many smaller pulses, or one gentle, continuous output.
Regards,
Jack Tingle
Sean O'Hara
Spoor) declared:
> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>
>> Whatever happened to the days when the furry phase of a werewolf was
>> just a near-mindless ravening beast simply wandering the terrain in
>> search of something warm-blooded to hideously shred?
>
> Same thing that happened to vampires just preying upon the living
> until their monstrous undead existences are ended by heroic
> stake-bearing, cross-wielding Van Helsings?
>
Bad example -- Van Helsing post-dates the first charismatic vampire
characters (Clarimonde, Carmilla) by several decades.
I agree with Starr -- there's no reason why you couldn't keep the
bestial werewolf and have the story focus on the poor schmuck who's
infected with this nasty disease.
--
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New audio book: As Long as You Wish by John O'Keefe
<http://librivox.org/short-science-fiction-collection-010/>
Kurt Busiek
> In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Sea Wasp (Ryk E.
> Spoor) declared:
>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>
>>> Whatever happened to the days when the furry phase of a werewolf was
>>> just a near-mindless ravening beast simply wandering the terrain in
>>> search of something warm-blooded to hideously shred?
>>
>> Same thing that happened to vampires just preying upon the living
>> until their monstrous undead existences are ended by heroic
>> stake-bearing, cross-wielding Van Helsings?
>>
>
> Bad example -- Van Helsing post-dates the first charismatic vampire
> characters (Clarimonde, Carmilla) by several decades.
>
> I agree with Starr -- there's no reason why you couldn't keep the
> bestial werewolf and have the story focus on the poor schmuck who's
> infected with this nasty disease.
There's still no reason you can't do that -- when I did a werewolf
story for METAL HURLANT, a few years back, that's what I did. Still no
reason you can't have mindless bloodsucking vampire freaks, either.
Doesn't mean that either should be the only thing you can do, though.
kdb
johnma...@yahoo.com
> Recently enjoyed Williamson's Darker Than You Think.On the flap it
> says "the classic werewolf novel" and the "best American novel about
> lycanthropy".What are the other great werewolf novels?
Zelazney's _A Dark Traveling_ perhaps
NBot a novel (unless he has expanded it) bu Peter S. Beagle's "Lila
the Werwolf" was IMO pretty good.
-JM
Jacey Bedford
<sean...@gmail.com> writes
>In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Sea Wasp (Ryk E.
>Spoor) declared:
>> William December Starr wrote:
>>>>>
>>> Whatever happened to the days when the furry phase of a werewolf was
>>> just a near-mindless ravening beast simply wandering the terrain in
>>> search of something warm-blooded to hideously shred?
>> Same thing that happened to vampires just preying upon the
>>living until their monstrous undead existences are ended by heroic
>>stake-bearing, cross-wielding Van Helsings?
>>
>
>Bad example -- Van Helsing post-dates the first charismatic vampire
>characters (Clarimonde, Carmilla) by several decades.
>
>I agree with Starr -- there's no reason why you couldn't keep the
>bestial werewolf and have the story focus on the poor schmuck who's
>infected with this nasty disease.
>
and a ghost share a house - has the werewolf who turns into a ravening
mindless killer on the night of the full moon and the rest of the time
is trying to cope with what he is.
Jacey
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or any other forum that reprints usenet posts as
though they were the forum's own
Louann Miller
> The counterpoint, as I gathered it from the responses, is that vampire
> fiction blossomed once there was a popular interpretation of the
> vampire who was a character with a personality, and not a mindless
> beast.
>
> Thus, it seems to be suggested, the same thing may be happening for the
> werewolf. The fact that the vampire underwent that transformation long
> ago doesn't mean nothing else can make the same transformation.
Counter-counter question, then -- what does this say about zombie fiction,
which is all trendy right now?
Michael Alan Chary
>
>> There's a lot of similarity between the major brands of werewolf
>> these days, strongly influenced by studies of wolves as social
>> animals. In practical terms, when checking out a new brand of
>> werewolf, is checking to see what percentage of the content is
>> romance.
>
>just a near-mindless ravening beast simply wandering the terrain in
>search of something warm-blooded to hideously shred?
Customer feedback in the form of sales. I think they're still like that
in the movies, but not in books.
--
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http://www.whiterose.org/howlingcurmudgeons
Kurt Busiek
What zombie fiction I read is still about survivors, with zombies as
context, not as characters.
Except the old 1970s Marvel Comics series about Simon Garth, the
Zombie. And he had memories and emotions and thoughts, though they
were dim and difficult. His schtick was that various people could
control him, and he'd resist, and when events caused them to lose
control of him, he'd save the victims or wreak vengeance against the
bad guys or whatever.
A zombie character like that makes an involving lead. The hard part, I
guess, for modern paranormal fiction, is making a zombie sexy.
But an enterprising author could probably get mileage out of a romance
sundered by the grave, where the emotions live on after death.
kdb
Gene
>> Counter-counter question, then -- what does this say about zombie fiction,
>> which is all trendy right now?
>
> What zombie fiction I read is still about survivors, with zombies as
> context, not as characters.
You are missing the hip, sexy urban zombies, then?
Charlton Wilbur
KB> But an enterprising author could probably get mileage out of a
KB> romance sundered by the grave, where the emotions live on after
KB> death.
Such as, say, _A Fine and Private Place_ by Peter S Beagle?
Charlton
--
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Tina Hall
> The hard part, I guess, for modern paranormal fiction, is making a
> zombie sexy.
The same counts for werewolves, though, IMO.
While vampires are dead, too, only not rotting. And I think the
rotting-dead part is what makes zombies unattractive. (Except for
necrophiles, of course.)
And vampires are basically just humans (and very boring human
motivations and problems) with some extra powers and some extra
weaknesses. If you take that, and the polished look of modern
vampires, and stick that onto werewolf or zombie, I don't think
you'd have much problem with the result.
On the other hand, you've already got vampires with that. What good
would warping zombie or werewolf anyway.
And if you want a monster that's cool rather than ugly slimey,
there's already the alien.
> But an enterprising author could probably get mileage out of a
> romance sundered by the grave, where the emotions live on after
> death.
Don't you already have ghosts for that?
--
"Not very scary. Ranes explained ghosts once, made about as much
sense as running around with a sheet over the head does, too."
He lifted the sheet to look at her. "Of course it's not scary.
It's me. Kian." -- Magic Earth VI
Gene
40fidonet...@fidonet.org:
> And vampires are basically just humans (and very boring human
> motivations and problems) with some extra powers and some extra
> weaknesses.
Most vampires I encounter in fiction tend to be arrogant and a little cold,
with an overdeveloped sense of superiority and entitlement.
Wayne Throop
:: zombie sexy.
: Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall)
: The same counts for werewolves, though, IMO.
I don't think it's anywhere near as hard to make a wolf sexy,
much less a human who happens to wolf-out wonce a month, than
to make a rotting corpse sexy.
See also Florence in "Freefall".
See also the whole "furry" thing.
(I'm looking forward to First Lord's Furry.)
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Tina Hall
> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) rote
>> And vampires are basically just humans (and very boring human
>> motivations and problems) with some extra powers and some extra
>> weaknesses.
> Most vampires I encounter in fiction tend to be arrogant and a
> little cold, with an overdeveloped sense of superiority and
> entitlement.
They're all Usenet posters!?
--
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-- Thalos, Magic Earth II: Without Heart
Excerpts at: <http://home.htp-tel.de/fkoerper/ath/athintro.htm>
Kurt Busiek
>>>>>> "KB" == Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> writes:
>
> KB> But an enterprising author could probably get mileage out of a
> KB> romance sundered by the grave, where the emotions live on after
> KB> death.
>
> Such as, say, _A Fine and Private Place_ by Peter S Beagle?
No zombies in that, if I recall correctly.
It wasn't a random thought -- it was in the context of discussing
zombie fiction.
But another non-zombie story of romance after death (or during
near-death, depending on how you count it) would be the fine KINDRED
SPIRITS by Alan Brennert.
kdb
Kurt Busiek
> Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>
>> The hard part, I guess, for modern paranormal fiction, is making a
>> zombie sexy.
>
> The same counts for werewolves, though, IMO.
Werewolves can easily be presented as sexy -- they can be sleek and
furry with rippling muscles and powerful drives and all kinds of stuff
that a segment of the buying public finds sexy.
Zombies are dead and decaying. There's doubtless an audience for
decaying-as-sexy, but I figure it's very small. And if you take away
the physical decomposition, then it doesn't feel so much like zombies
any more...
> While vampires are dead, too, only not rotting. And I think the
> rotting-dead part is what makes zombies unattractive. (Except for
> necrophiles, of course.)
Such was my thought, yes.
> And vampires are basically just humans (and very boring human
> motivations and problems) with some extra powers and some extra
> weaknesses. If you take that, and the polished look of modern
> vampires, and stick that onto werewolf or zombie, I don't think
> you'd have much problem with the result.
But if you make them polished, do they feel like zombies any more?
>> But an enterprising author could probably get mileage out of a
>> romance sundered by the grave, where the emotions live on after
>> death.
>
> Don't you already have ghosts for that?
Ghosts and vampires, to name too. Reincarnation, for a third. But the
discussion was about what could be done with zombies.
kdb
Gene
>> Most vampires I encounter in fiction tend to be arrogant and a
>> little cold, with an overdeveloped sense of superiority and
>> entitlement.
>
> They're all Usenet posters!?
No, they're above that.
Tina Hall
> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) said:
>> Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>> The hard part, I guess, for modern paranormal fiction, is
>>> making a zombie sexy.
>>
>> The same counts for werewolves, though, IMO.
> Werewolves can easily be presented as sexy -- they can be sleek
> and furry with rippling muscles and powerful drives and all kinds
> of stuff that a segment of the buying public finds sexy.
Hm. Guess I'm not in that segment. <g>
Now, werecats might be different. But dogs? Nothing against dogs,
but the drooling can really put you off.
Though I think my new favorite animal are (translated) flying dogs.
(They're similar to bats, except they're not bats, can see, fly
around during the day, eat fruits,... Look a little like tiny dogs
with batwings, and cute little fingers.)
So a giant (as in human sized) were- flying dog (not flying
weredog^Wwerewolf) might do.
> Zombies are dead and decaying.
And dogs drool.
<g>
(And have all that fur. As far as furred humanoids go, I think I
prefer King Kong.)
> There's doubtless an audience for decaying-as-sexy, but I figure
> it's very small.
LOL. I think you're right there.
> And if you take away the physical decomposition, then it doesn't
> feel so much like zombies any more...
Hm. With some attempt at seriousness... What does define a zombie?
And what culture's zombie?
You can have the mindless robot-like people without the decaying,
after all. It's the movie zombie (as far as I can guess) that made
them man-eating, rotting corpses.
If you can make a list with some other traits, you may be allowed to
cross out the 'decaying' part.
So how about trying to make a list with things that could be
ascribed to 'zombie' but evades the decaying?
- dead (no heartbeat, can't eat,...)
- cold
- slow (in motion and mind)
Your turn.
>> While vampires are dead, too, only not rotting. And I think the
>> rotting-dead part is what makes zombies unattractive. (Except
>> for necrophiles, of course.)
> Such was my thought, yes.
:)
>> And vampires are basically just humans (and very boring human
>> motivations and problems) with some extra powers and some extra
>> weaknesses. If you take that, and the polished look of modern
>> vampires, and stick that onto werewolf or zombie, I don't think
>> you'd have much problem with the result.
> But if you make them polished, do they feel like zombies any
> more?
Once I get the (uninteresting-to-me) ugly slimey monster out of the
picture, I think I can imagine a polished, dead guy in a suit.
Perhaps a lawyer, or a crime boss. (First thought was Wolfram&Hart,
second something I made up myself so doesn't work as example.)
Very sleek in manners, even charming. Gray suit, gray, cold skin,
even agile, just very dead (and not decaying, because -- in this
made-up-on-the-spot zombie universe the decaying dead are those that
can no longer wander around, and the same magic mumbojumbo that
keeps the walking ones walking also keeps them fresh - due to the
need for legs and stuff to do the walking with).
Basically you get a demon-type character (without horns,
fortunately), or a modern 'Death' type. Not like Joe Black, mind,
who was too human. Rather, I see someone very cold. And I like the
idea of mixing 'Death' and 'zombie' ever better. What's more 'Death'
than a walking dead man.
>>> But an enterprising author could probably get mileage out of a
>>> romance sundered by the grave, where the emotions live on after
>>> death.
>>
>> Don't you already have ghosts for that?
> Ghosts and vampires, to name too. Reincarnation, for a third.
> But the discussion was about what could be done with zombies.
Well, I see 'Werewolf' in the subject line. But I think you can do
more with zombies that happen to not rot than drooling, furry
werewolves, so I'm fine witih sticking to the dead people.
--
"If you walk down the street, do you care about a bug you might step on?"
"I don't pick it up and rip out its legs."
-- Arentus and Dayta, Magic Earth I: Getting Caught
Excerpts at: <http://home.htp-tel.de/fkoerper/ath/athintro.htm>
Tina Hall
>>> Most vampires I encounter in fiction tend to be arrogant and a
>>> little cold, with an overdeveloped sense of superiority and
>>> entitlement.
>>
>> They're all Usenet posters!?
> No, they're above that.
Funny, I got the impression they were just that.
--
[Kian covers himself with a bedsheet]
Dayta chuckled. "You're impossible."
"Of course. I'm a ghost. And ghosts don't exist. Boohoo." -- Magic Earth VI
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David DeLaney
>A zombie character like that makes an involving lead. The hard part, I
>guess, for modern paranormal fiction, is making a zombie sexy.
Yep. Can't be paranormal romance without zee roMANCE.
>But an enterprising author could probably get mileage out of a romance
>sundered by the grave, where the emotions live on after death.
Eh. People didn't seem to like it that much when Piers Anthony did it. (His
zombies, and their after-lives and romancing, are a minor recurring theme in
Xanth since like the third or fourth book, whichever one it was where they had
to solve the mystery of Millie's murder.)
Dave
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David DeLaney
>So how about trying to make a list with things that could be
>ascribed to 'zombie' but evades the decaying?
>
>- dead (no heartbeat, can't eat,...)
>- cold
>- slow (in motion and mind)
- braaaaaaains
Brains "braaaains" BrAiiiiins
Kurt Busiek
> Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> And if you take away the physical decomposition, then it doesn't
>> feel so much like zombies any more...
>
> Hm. With some attempt at seriousness... What does define a zombie?
>
> And what culture's zombie?
Those are probably interesting definitional questions, but if you're
talking popular fiction, you probably don't merely want something you
can claim fits a technical description, but something that satisfies a
general audiences sense of what a zombie is.
You can reanimate someone in a smooth, polished and convincing manner,
but will that feel to an audience like "zombie" or, say, "brought back
to life"?
If sure there are all kinds of shadings to be had, but the audience is
going to respond to their perception of what feels right, rather than
something that may fit a definition but feels like it's not in the
"sweet spot" of that definition.
>>>> But an enterprising author could probably get mileage out of a
>>>> romance sundered by the grave, where the emotions live on after
>>>> death.
>>>
>>> Don't you already have ghosts for that?
>
>> Ghosts and vampires, to name too. Reincarnation, for a third.
>> But the discussion was about what could be done with zombies.
>
> Well, I see 'Werewolf' in the subject line.
Yes, but the sentence you're responding to, quoted above, was part of a
discussion about what could be done with zombies. That it's been taken
out of context doesn't mean it wasn't in that context to begin with.
kdb
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Well, there's
_Happy Hour of the Damned_
and
_Road Trip of the Living Dead_
by Mark Henry
Seattle. One minute you're drinking a vanilla breve, the
next, some creepy old dude is breathing on you, turning you
into a zombie. And that's just for starters. Now, the
recently deceased Amanda Feral is trying to make her way
through Seattle's undead scene with style (mortuary-grade
makeup, six-inch stilettos, Balenciaga handbag on sale)
while satisfying her craving for human flesh (Don't judge.
And no, not like chicken.) and decent vodkatinis.
http://www.amazon.com/Happy-Hour-Damned-Mark-Henry/dp/0758225229/
http://www.amazon.com/Road-Trip-Living-Dead-Henry/dp/0758225245
which sounded like fun to me, so I got them a few weeks back, though
I haven't got around to reading them yet..
Ted
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Joy Beeson
Hall) wrote:
> Though I think my new favorite animal are (translated) flying dogs.
> (They're similar to bats, except they're not bats, can see, fly
> around during the day, eat fruits,... Look a little like tiny dogs
> with batwings, and cute little fingers.)
Sounds like Flying Foxes.
--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
Tina Hall
> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) said:
>> Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>> And if you take away the physical decomposition, then it
>>> doesn't feel so much like zombies any more...
>>
>> Hm. With some attempt at seriousness... What does define a
>> zombie?
>>
>> And what culture's zombie?
> Those are probably interesting definitional questions, but if
> you're talking popular fiction, you probably don't merely want
> something you can claim fits a technical description, but
> something that satisfies a general audiences sense of what a
> zombie is.
Or you redefine it interestingly enough for them to accept the new
version.
> You can reanimate someone in a smooth, polished and convincing
> manner, but will that feel to an audience like "zombie" or, say,
> "brought back to life"?
You can start with calling it zombie, and then work from there.
Just look at the various forms of vampires. They range from ugly
slimey monster to elegant playboy, crossing pitiful creature as well
as mad scientist type.
I think you could pull of just about anything, you just have to do
it good enough. Something the audience will be interested in.
Getting rid of the decay is (I boldly claim) equal to stripping
'vulnerable to sunlight' from the vampire. The latter has been done.
(My vampires would actually feed on sunlight, on top of living
creatures; they're basically anti-life, as old as life, and need to
store up on energy on occasion.)
> If sure there are all kinds of shadings to be had, but the
> audience is going to respond to their perception of what feels
> right, rather than something that may fit a definition but feels
> like it's not in the "sweet spot" of that definition.
Individuals perhaps. But if you just take movie audience as a group,
they'll be happy with some nifty images.
Or in other words, there are some critters that don't meet my sweet
spot of their definition, but loads of people don't care enough and
just enjoy the spectacle.
The Van Helsing movie has a number of pre-defined critters and
redefined them for their own purposes, for example.
So, on the bottom line, I still think that you can get rid of the
icky part of a zombie and turn it into an interesting character.
Just as with everything produced for an audience, you have to do it
right (which, I guess, is the art of it).
>>>>> But an enterprising author could probably get mileage out of
>>>>> a romance sundered by the grave, where the emotions live on
>>>>> after death.
>>>>
>>>> Don't you already have ghosts for that?
>>
>>> Ghosts and vampires, to name too. Reincarnation, for a third.
>>> But the discussion was about what could be done with zombies.
>>
>> Well, I see 'Werewolf' in the subject line.
> Yes, but the sentence you're responding to, quoted above, was
> part of a discussion about what could be done with zombies.
Hey, I already said that I'm fine with that. No need to try to
convince me.
> That it's been taken out of context doesn't mean it wasn't in that
> context to begin with.
?
erilar
Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
> Though I think my new favorite animal are (translated) flying dogs.
> (They're similar to bats, except they're not bats, can see, fly
> around during the day, eat fruits,... Look a little like tiny dogs
> with batwings, and cute little fingers.)
>
> So a giant (as in human sized) were- flying dog (not flying
> weredog^Wwerewolf) might do.
oooo! I love it! 8-)
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that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov
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silk
> Recently enjoyed Williamson's Darker Than You Think.On the flap it
> says "the classic werewolf novel" and the "best American novel about
> lycanthropy".What are the other great werewolf novels?
Just thought of The Anubis Gates.
Chuk Goodin
>:: The hard part, I guess, for modern paranormal fiction, is making a
>:: zombie sexy.
>
>: Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall)
>: The same counts for werewolves, though, IMO.
>
>I don't think it's anywhere near as hard to make a wolf sexy,
>much less a human who happens to wolf-out wonce a month, than
>to make a rotting corpse sexy.
>
>See also Florence in "Freefall".
>See also the whole "furry" thing.
>(I'm looking forward to First Lord's Furry.)
BLOOD AND CHOCOLATE was a YA novel with werewolves, and there was some
romance/sexual tension going on in it. (I haven't seen the movie version
though.)
--
chuk
Tina Hall
> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>> Though I think my new favorite animal are (translated) flying
>> dogs. (They're similar to bats, except they're not bats, can
>> see, fly around during the day, eat fruits,... Look a little
>> like tiny dogs with batwings, and cute little fingers.)
>>
>> So a giant (as in human sized) were- flying dog (not flying
>> weredog^Wwerewolf) might do.
> oooo! I love it! 8-)
Cool.
(Btw, can you supply the English word for the animal?)
--
"Great, you've just gone insane on top of nasty. Just what we need."
"Glad to please."
-- Senar and Arentus, Magic Earth IV: Seeing Far
Excerpts at: <http://home.htp-tel.de/fkoerper/ath/athintro.htm>
David DeLaney
>erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>>> Though I think my new favorite animal are (translated) flying
>>> dogs. (They're similar to bats, except they're not bats, can
>>> see, fly around during the day, eat fruits,... Look a little
>>> like tiny dogs with batwings, and cute little fingers.)
>>>
>>> So a giant (as in human sized) were- flying dog (not flying
>>> weredog^Wwerewolf) might do.
>
>> oooo! I love it! 8-)
>
>Cool.
>
>(Btw, can you supply the English word for the animal?)
I don't think it has one yet. Would you like to do the honors?
(Which language and/or work are you translating it _from_, anyway?)
Dave "this is obviously not No Flying In The House" DeLaney
erilar
Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> > Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>
> >> Though I think my new favorite animal are (translated) flying
> >> dogs. (They're similar to bats, except they're not bats, can
> >> see, fly around during the day, eat fruits,... Look a little
> >> like tiny dogs with batwings, and cute little fingers.)
> >>
> >> So a giant (as in human sized) were- flying dog (not flying
> >> weredog^Wwerewolf) might do.
>
> > oooo! I love it! 8-)
>
> Cool.
>
> (Btw, can you supply the English word for the animal?)
German is SO much better for long compound words! 8-) English tends to
phrases instead. I rather like flying weredog, actually 8-)
Tina Hall
> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>>>> Though I think my new favorite animal are (translated) flying
>>>> dogs. (They're similar to bats, except they're not bats, can
>>>> see, fly around during the day, eat fruits,... Look a little
>>>> like tiny dogs with batwings, and cute little fingers.)
>>>>
>>>> So a giant (as in human sized) were- flying dog (not flying
>>>> weredog^Wwerewolf) might do.
>>
>>> oooo! I love it! 8-)
>>
>> Cool.
>>
>> (Btw, can you supply the English word for the animal?)
> German is SO much better for long compound words! 8-) English
> tends to phrases instead. I rather like flying weredog, actually
> 8-)
I truly doubt German 'Flughund' is 'flying weredog' in English. (I
mean the real animal, for which I don't know the English term, not
the were version.)
--
"I am ever amazed by the food swimming in water."
"You'd be amazed by rain falling from the sky."
"Why, only when there are no clouds."
-- Karja & Sil, Magic Earth 7/6
Tina Hall
> Tina Hall <Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org> wrote:
>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>>>> Though I think my new favorite animal are (translated) flying
>>>> dogs. (They're similar to bats, except they're not bats, can
>>>> see, fly around during the day, eat fruits,... Look a little
>>>> like tiny dogs with batwings, and cute little fingers.)
>>>>
>>>> So a giant (as in human sized) were- flying dog (not flying
>>>> weredog^Wwerewolf) might do.
>>
>>> oooo! I love it! 8-)
>>
>> Cool.
>>
>> (Btw, can you supply the English word for the animal?)
> I don't think it has one yet. Would you like to do the honors?
I doubt that. The non-were version is as real as bats, wolves, cows,
eagles,... are.
That's why I'm thinking it might be my new favorite animal.
Seen one on some documentary a while ago. They're cute, and IIRC,
clever, too. They use the fingers at the tip of their wings to climb
around on branches and eating/holding, perhaps manipulating, their
food.
Bats' faces aren't cute (and they don't have that cuddly looking
fur, if any), and either they don't have fingers, or don't do much
with them. (Just from memory.)
The 'fly-dogs' have that fur, a cute face (perhaps closer to a tiny
bear than a tiny dog), and the cool wings with fingers (two or
three, IIRC, rather than five).
> (Which language and/or work are you translating it _from_,
> anyway?)
German; Flughund(e).
--
"Just because I'm a thief doesn't mean I steal money from people."
-- Dayta, Magic Earth II: Without Heart
Excerpts at: <http://home.htp-tel.de/fkoerper/ath/athintro.htm>
David M. Palmer
Tina Hall <Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org> wrote:
> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> > Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>
> >> Though I think my new favorite animal are (translated) flying
> >> dogs. (They're similar to bats, except they're not bats, can
> >> see, fly around during the day, eat fruits,... Look a little
> >> like tiny dogs with batwings, and cute little fingers.)
> >>
> >> So a giant (as in human sized) were- flying dog (not flying
> >> weredog^Wwerewolf) might do.
>
> > oooo! I love it! 8-)
>
> Cool.
>
> (Btw, can you supply the English word for the animal?)
The (mundane rather than lycanthropic) animal you are thinking of is
called a 'flying fox' in English.
It is indeed a bat, that is to say, a member of the order chiroptera.
There are two sub-orders of bats: megachiroptera and microchiroptera.
Megachiroptera include fruit bats and flying foxes. They fly around in
the day because they can't echolocate.
Microchiroptera are what you probably think of as 'real bats', since
they can echolocate with sonar. (They can also see with light.)
Despite being smaller, they are generally not as cute.
In English 'bat' refers to both sub-orders. I don't know whether
fledermaus (sp) is both or only microchiroptera. It's a matter of
where the lines are drawn in the language, not in nature.
--
David M. Palmer dmpa...@email.com (formerly @clark.net, @ematic.com)
Jaimie Vandenbergh
Hall) wrote:
>David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
>> Tina Hall <Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org> wrote:
>>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>
>>>>> Though I think my new favorite animal are (translated) flying
>>>>> dogs. (They're similar to bats, except they're not bats, can
>>>>> see, fly around during the day, eat fruits,... Look a little
>>>>> like tiny dogs with batwings, and cute little fingers.)
>>>>>
>>>>> So a giant (as in human sized) were- flying dog (not flying
>>>>> weredog^Wwerewolf) might do.
>>>
>>>> oooo! I love it! 8-)
>>>
>>> Cool.
>>>
>>> (Btw, can you supply the English word for the animal?)
>
>> I don't think it has one yet. Would you like to do the honors?
>
>I doubt that. The non-were version is as real as bats, wolves, cows,
>eagles,... are.
Flying fox or foxbat is almost certainly the animal you're thinking of
in English, but you still get to name the were form (which is what
folks thought you meant).
Do these look right?
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=flying%20fox
Cheers - Jaimie
--
"Oh drat these computers, they're so naughty and so complex."
-- Marvin the Martian
Torbjorn Lindgren
>erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>>>>> Though I think my new favorite animal are (translated) flying
>>>>> dogs. (They're similar to bats, except they're not bats, can
>>>>> see, fly around during the day, eat fruits,... Look a little
>>>>> like tiny dogs with batwings, and cute little fingers.)
>I truly doubt German 'Flughund' is 'flying weredog' in English. (I
>mean the real animal, for which I don't know the English term, not
>the were version.)
My initial guess was "Bat" (the statement about them not being bats
was hidden much further up in the message), but several online
dictionaries seems to suggest it's more properly Flying Fox or Fruit
Bat, a sub-order of Bats (or sub-sub order, depending on how you
count).
German Wikipedia confirms this by using the same classification
(Pteropodidae), giving Fledertiere as the German name for all of the
bats.
So they *are* bats, specifically if we use standard classification
they're part of Chiroptera Megachiroptera Pteropodidae. I assume that
you are thinking of the other group of bats, Chiroptera
Microchiroptera (IE microbats/echolocating bats).
Heck, Wikipedia claims that more recently there's been some movements
based on genetic evidence to discard the macro/micro bat distinction
and instead put Pteropodidae as a subgroup of one of the "microbat"
groups. It wouldn't be the first time we've had to reshuffle the
family tree based on new data.
So... Were flying fox? Were-bat might work too if you're willing to be
a bit more generic.
Wayne Throop
: I truly doubt German 'Flughund' is 'flying weredog' in English. (I
: the were version.)
Babelfish says, "flight dog".
Or, probably better english, "flying dog",
but that yields the german "Fliegenhund".
Hm. However, google quickly finds it called "Megabat".
The boys best friend is a talking dog,
--- Johnny Test theme
Tina Hall
> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>> David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
>>> Tina Hall <Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org> wrote:
>>>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>>>>>> Though I think my new favorite animal are (translated)
>>>>>> flying dogs. (They're similar to bats, except they're not
>>>>>> bats, can see, fly around during the day, eat fruits,...
>>>>>> Look a little like tiny dogs with batwings, and cute little
>>>>>> fingers.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So a giant (as in human sized) were- flying dog (not flying
>>>>>> weredog^Wwerewolf) might do.
>>>>
>>>>> oooo! I love it! 8-)
>>>>
>>>> Cool.
>>>>
>>>> (Btw, can you supply the English word for the animal?)
>>
>>> I don't think it has one yet. Would you like to do the honors?
>>
>> I doubt that. The non-were version is as real as bats, wolves,
>> cows, eagles,... are.
> Flying fox or foxbat is almost certainly the animal you're
> thinking of in English,
Thanks.
> but you still get to name the were form (which is what folks
> thought you meant).
Oh.
Wow.
I guess 'Nostradamus' isn't an option.[*] <g>
But 'Nosty' would fit as an obscure only-insiders-know-why name.
If you want a 'were' (and I definitely don't like flying weredog,
that's just wrong), how about werenost?
What, you want something that's actually got something to do with
the animal? Hm. Then we're back at the good, old, and not very
interest^Winnovative werefoxbat.
Take your pick.
> Do these look right?
> http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=flying%20fox
No idea. (Can't look at it at present. But I'll ask someone to get
it for me; I'd like a picture of it anyway. It will just take time,
so no instant answer.)
[*] Way back when the Earth was still flat, I suggested an alligator
for the imagined room afp was gathered in, and its name was
Nostradamus. Except some moron wandered in and claimed it had a
different name, by which the unenlightened still call it to this day
(afaik).
--
"I'm officially crazy now. I can do all the funny things I like
without anyone thinking I've gone nuts."
-- Ranes, Magic Earth III: Magi Shans
Excerpts at: <http://home.htp-tel.de/fkoerper/ath/athintro.htm>
Tina Hall
> Tina Hall <Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org> wrote:
>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>>>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote:
>>>>>> Though I think my new favorite animal are (translated)
>>>>>> flying dogs. (They're similar to bats, except they're not
>>>>>> bats, can see, fly around during the day, eat fruits,...
>>>>>> Look a little like tiny dogs with batwings, and cute little
>>>>>> fingers.)
> [...]
>> I truly doubt German 'Flughund' is 'flying weredog' in English.
>> (I mean the real animal, for which I don't know the English
>> term, not the were version.)
> My initial guess was "Bat" (the statement about them not being
> bats was hidden much further up in the message), but several
> online dictionaries seems to suggest it's more properly Flying
> Fox or Fruit Bat, a sub-order of Bats (or sub-sub order,
> depending on how you count).
Fruit Bat sounds cool.
Thanks.
> So they *are* bats, specifically if we use standard
> classification they're part of Chiroptera Megachiroptera
> Pteropodidae. I assume that you are thinking of the other group
> of bats, Chiroptera Microchiroptera (IE microbats/echolocating
> bats).
I just see funny words there. :)
But (as I've seen on some other documentary recently), ant-bears
(not sure of the English word) and sloths are also in the same
family, while being very different.
Btw, giant (big?) ant-bears' colouring is pretty cool, too. As is
their joint arrangement (unfortunately they didn't go into much
detail there).
[digging out an ancient animal encyclopedia, it mentions some, I
guess latin, names, for example: Bradypus tridactylus Linnaeus and
Myrmecophaga tridactyla Linnaeus]
To me that's just more funny words, but perhaps it helps you finding
out what I mean.
The dictionary also has the one I meant: Syconycteris australis
Peters (dwarf-flight-dog), and I see that flight-fox (foxbat) is a
different one; "Pteropus gianteus (Brunnich)" it says. The latter
seem to have less fingers, too (though the pictures in that book are
only drawings).
Or perhaps I mean Cynocephalus volans (Linnaeus), which really
aren't bats. Hard to say with these images. But that one looks more
like a mouse with cape. The text says it does have the fingers,
though.
> So... Were flying fox? Were-bat might work too if you're willing
> to be a bit more generic.
Bat automatically summons the image of the vampire bat kind, that
flies around at night, or the one that drinks cow blood. To me at
least. And these critters are definitely much different to that.
(See eat fruites, are cute, awake during the day,...)
--
"Boy, you should learn not to believe everything some nasty Shan
tells you. We aren't known to be all that honest."
-- Thalos, Magic Earth VI
Excerpts at: <http://home.htp-tel.de/fkoerper/ath/athintro.htm>
David M. Palmer
Tina Hall <Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org> wrote:
> But (as I've seen on some other documentary recently), ant-bears
> (not sure of the English word) and sloths are also in the same
> family, while being very different.
>
> Btw, giant (big?) ant-bears' colouring is pretty cool, too. As is
> their joint arrangement (unfortunately they didn't go into much
> detail there).
>
> [digging out an ancient animal encyclopedia, it mentions some, I
> guess latin, names, for example: Bradypus tridactylus Linnaeus and
> Myrmecophaga tridactyla Linnaeus]
>
> To me that's just more funny words, but perhaps it helps you finding
> out what I mean.
It's funny words to everyone, but it's the _same_ funny words to
everyone for any given animal. So a German biologist doesn't tell a
English biologist 'that's not a bat' and the English guy says 'Yes it
is, it's a flying fox!'; They can both point to it and say
'megachiroptera', leading to international harmony, In theory.
Bradypus tridactylus is a pale-throated sloth
Myrmecophaga tridactyla, your ant-bear, is in English a giant anteater.
Both are of Order Pilosa, but of different sub-orders, so they are
roughly as closely interrelated as microchiroptera
(What-Tina-Calls-Bats) and megachiroptera (Flying foxes/fruit
bats/What-Tina-Does-Not-Call-Bats).
The Order that includes most usenet participants is 'primates',
spanning the sub-order that includes lemurs, and the sub-order that
contains tarsiers, monkeys, and apes like us.
So[1] humans:tarsiers; sloth:giant anteater; vampire bats:flying foxes;
are pairs at the same level of relatedness to each other. And all of
these are much more closely related to each other than any are related
to platypuses or echidnas (spiny anteaters, which are only similar to
giant anteaters in their habit of eating ants).
The 'Linnaeus' from your encyclopedia isn't part of the name, but the
name of the guy who gave them their names. Linnaeus invented the whole
system of two-part names, and so he named a lot of the animals that
were known at the time. Being Swedish, he took the most filthy
plague-infested creature he knew and called it Rattus Norvegicus, the
Norway Rat, as his contribution to international harmony.[2]
[1] Simplifying excessively
[2] This story may be apocryphal. I include it only in the interests
of international harmony.
>
> The dictionary also has the one I meant: Syconycteris australis
> Peters (dwarf-flight-dog),
Wiki says:
> The Common Blossom-bat, Syconycteris australis also known as the
> Southern Blossom-bat or Queensland Blossom-bat is a fruit bat in the
> family Pteropodidae.
> The Common Blossom-bat feeds mostly on nectar and pollen rather than
> fruit. They are only 60mm long, most likely to aid them in collecting
> pollen and nectar. S. australis change roosts daily unlike many of the
> larger species. It is one of eight Pteropodidae species in Australia.It
> is the smallest fruit bat.
(named by Peters in 1867: all the third names you give are the people
who named them)
> and I see that flight-fox (foxbat) is a
> different one; "Pteropus gianteus (Brunnich)" it says. The latter
> seem to have less fingers, too (though the pictures in that book are
> only drawings).
Wiki:
> The Indian Flying-fox (Pteropus giganteus) is a species of bat in the
> Pteropodidae family. It is found in Bangladesh, China, India, Maldives,
> Nepal, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka. The Greater Indian Fruit Bat lives in
> mainly forests. It is a very large bat with a wing span of around 80
> centimeters. It is nocturnal and feeds mainly on ripe fruits such as
> mangoes and bananas and nectar. This bat is gregarious and lives in
> colonies which can number a few hundred. Their offspring has no
> specific name besides 'young'. They reproduce sexually and give live
> birth. They have one to two young.
> Or perhaps I mean Cynocephalus volans (Linnaeus), which really
> aren't bats. Hard to say with these images. But that one looks more
> like a mouse with cape. The text says it does have the fingers,
> though.
Wiki:
> The Philippine Flying Lemur (Cynocephalus volans) is one of two species
> of flying lemurs, the only two species in the family Cynocephalidae.
So definitely not a bat, by neither the English nor the German
definition. It is more closely related to you than it is to any bat.
>
> > So... Were flying fox? Were-bat might work too if you're willing
> > to be a bit more generic.
>
> Bat automatically summons the image of the vampire bat kind, that
> flies around at night, or the one that drinks cow blood. To me at
> least. And these critters are definitely much different to that.
> (See eat fruites, are cute, awake during the day,...)
--
Anthony Nance
>
> The boys best friend is a talking dog,
> --- Johnny Test theme
Johnny Test is currently my kids' favorite show[1], and I'm
surprised at how many moments I enjoy - it's rather well
written[2].
Tony
[1] Okay, when you watch 2-3 shows, it is easy to have a favorite.
[2] In a sort of Bugs Bunny kind of way for SF folks - cheeky references
at multiple audience levels, occasionally funny dialogue, absurd
assumptions/situations followed in some sensible ways, etc.
David DeLaney
>: Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org (Tina Hall)
>: I truly doubt German 'Flughund' is 'flying weredog' in English. (I
>: mean the real animal, for which I don't know the English term, not
>: the were version.)
>
>Babelfish says, "flight dog".
>Or, probably better english, "flying dog",
>but that yields the german "Fliegenhund".
>
>Hm. However, google quickly finds it called "Megabat".
Obviously, given that we're on r.a.sf.w, the word has to be Foxbat!
Dave "champions flashbacks" DeLaney
erilar
<r5ogr45753kscrb6c...@newsposting.sessile.org>,
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
> Flying fox or foxbat is almost certainly the animal you're thinking of
> in English, but you still get to name the were form (which is what
> folks thought you meant).
>
> Do these look right?
> http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=flying%20fox
Oh, that IS cute! Large enough to be a were version with an alternate
human form might not be, however.
Tina Hall
> Obviously, given that we're on r.a.sf.w, the word has to be
> Foxbat!
> Dave "champions flashbacks" DeLaney
[*]
--
"Did you make a mistake when you cut off your end of the tie and
somehow swapped identities with Thalos?"
Arentus grinned. "Maybe you and I did."
David DeLaney
>David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
>> Obviously, given that we're on r.a.sf.w, the word has to be Foxbat!
>
>> Dave "champions flashbacks" DeLaney
>
>[*]
Champions, the Hero System role-playing game. Foxbat was a wacky villain. Let's
see, surely ... okay, yes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Champions_(Hero_Universe)
"Foxbat, a gadget-using lunatic who thinks he's a comic book character".
[Hm. What's the use of having a link on a page that redirects to the same page?
Not to partway down it, either.]
Dave
Tina Hall
> Tina Hall <Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org> wrote:
>> David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
>>> Obviously, given that we're on r.a.sf.w, the word has to be
>>> Foxbat!
>>
>>> Dave "champions flashbacks" DeLaney
>>
>> [*]
> Champions, the Hero System role-playing game. Foxbat was a wacky
> villain. Let's see, surely ... okay, yes:
> "Foxbat, a gadget-using lunatic who thinks he's a comic book
> character".
Ok. Now the part about the 'given that we're on r.a.sf.w'?
--
"We are Farseers. We know."
"My brother is a Farseer, too. He knows better."
-- One of the council and Senar, Magic Earth II: Without Heart
Excerpts at: <http://home.htp-tel.de/fkoerper/ath/athintro.htm>
David DeLaney
>David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
>> Tina Hall <Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org> wrote:
>>> David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
>>>> Obviously, given that we're on r.a.sf.w, the word has to be Foxbat!
>>>
>>>> Dave "champions flashbacks" DeLaney
>>>
>>> [*]
>
>> Champions, the Hero System role-playing game. Foxbat was a wacky
>> villain. Let's see, surely ... okay, yes:
>
>> "Foxbat, a gadget-using lunatic who thinks he's a comic book character".
>
>Ok. Now the part about the 'given that we're on r.a.sf.w'?
It's a superhero roleplaying game and Foxbat thinks he's a comic-book
character. What's not to on-topic with?
Dave "I'm fairly sure there's shapechangers and lycanthropes in there somewhere
- not too hard to do with Multiform" DeLaney
Tina Hall
> Tina Hall <Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org> wrote:
>> David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
>>> Tina Hall <Tina...@ftn.kruemel.org> wrote:
>>>> David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
>>>>> Obviously, given that we're on r.a.sf.w, the word has to be
>>>>> Foxbat!
>>>>
>>>>> Dave "champions flashbacks" DeLaney
>>>>
>>>> [*]
>>
>>> Champions, the Hero System role-playing game. Foxbat was a
>>> wacky villain. Let's see, surely ... okay, yes:
>>
>>> "Foxbat, a gadget-using lunatic who thinks he's a comic book
>>> character".
>>
>> Ok. Now the part about the 'given that we're on r.a.sf.w'?
> It's a superhero roleplaying game and Foxbat thinks he's a
> comic-book character. What's not to on-topic with?
That's too general to make it a must.
To be obvious, it would have to be some insider rasfw thing.
Ooh, I know. Let's call it Terry, in honour of our resident Master
Troll, who --as someone pointed out, but didn't understand is what
makes Him so masterful-- changes face, too. (Anyone can do _just_
name calling, it's the coherent, rational conversation that all the
wannabes never manage, for obvious reasons.)
(I think this may be apple coloured slime. Not sure, something light
green anyway.)
--
"Now, what skills do you have?"
"I can read upside down."
The man blinked. "What?"
"Any script I'm familiar with." -- Rennik and Ranes, Magic Earth VI