Question on fictional/Mythological/folklorish characters
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
I also asked this question on my LiveJournal:
Those in my beta-reading group and some others will know what the
reference here is, but I'm interested in finding as many possible
candidates that would fit the following criteria:
Female and generally envisioned as reasonably young (late teens to early
thirties)
First (given) or last (family) name begins with "K" (or, if from a
different language with different alphabet, would be transcribed to the
English alphabet as a K)
Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of their
origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit the "K"
criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of the Caribbean,
Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh DuQuesne from CSI: Miami, etc.
They must be iconic/important enough in their source material to be
reasonably likely to draw the attention of fans rather than be a "oh,
yes, she was in there too" kind of thing.
Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely on
the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
I have my own set of candidates, but I'm interested to see how many come
up in a wider context.
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Taki Kogoma
allegedly proclaimed to rec.arts.sf.written:
> Those in my beta-reading group and some others will know what the
> reference here is, but I'm interested in finding as many possible
> candidates that would fit the following criteria:
>
> Female and generally envisioned as reasonably young (late teens to early
> thirties)
>
> First (given) or last (family) name begins with "K" (or, if from a
> different language with different alphabet, would be transcribed to the
> English alphabet as a K)
>
> Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of their
> origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit the "K"
> criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of the Caribbean,
> Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh DuQuesne from CSI: Miami, etc.
>
> They must be iconic/important enough in their source material to be
> reasonably likely to draw the attention of fans rather than be a "oh,
> yes, she was in there too" kind of thing.
>
> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
> redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely on
> the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
Kareen Koudelka (and the rest of Team Koudelka)? Wrong hair color,
and the only one that has in-text behavior that fits the "Action Girl"
mold would be Olivia in _A Civil Campaign_ (although Kareen and Martya
do have the Bug-Butter Battle with the bounty hunters).
Of course, there's mama Drou, who doesn't get the 'K' name until marriage.
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plausible prose man
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> I also asked this question on my LiveJournal:
>
> Those in my beta-reading group and some others will know what the
> reference here is, but I'm interested in finding as many possible
> candidates that would fit the following criteria:
>
> Female and generally envisioned as reasonably young (late teens to early
> thirties)
>
> First (given) or last (family) name begins with "K" (or, if from a
> different language with different alphabet, would be transcribed to the
> English alphabet as a K)
>
> Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of their
> origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit the "K"
> criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of the Caribbean,
> Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh DuQuesne from CSI: Miami, etc.
>
> They must be iconic/important enough in their source material to be
> reasonably likely to draw the attention of fans rather than be a "oh,
> yes, she was in there too" kind of thing.
>
> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
> redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely on
> the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
Katherine Hepburn.
Bill Swears
>
>
> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
> redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely on
> the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
>
> I have my own set of candidates, but I'm interested to see how many come
> up in a wider context.
>
>
(Kat), Karen (Kay), Camilla (Cam) and Constance (Con) Kinnison, if
auburn hair counts.
Bill
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William George Ferguson
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>First (given) or last (family) name begins with "K" (or, if from a
>different language with different alphabet, would be transcribed to the
>English alphabet as a K)
>
>Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of their
>origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit the "K"
>criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of the Caribbean,
>Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh DuQuesne from CSI: Miami, etc.
While she fails on your next criterion, I don't watch CSI:Miami, how do you
pronounce her first name if not like Kal-lay? (Sallie?)
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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
(Bene Gesserit)
Kim DeVaughn
> Female and generally envisioned as reasonably young (late teens to
> early thirties)
>
> First (given) or last (family) name begins with "K"
> Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of their
> origin.
> They must be iconic/important enough in their source material to be
> reasonably likely to draw the attention of fans
> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
> redheaded without damaging the character concept
Wyoming Knott (aka Wyoh).
/kim
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Wayne Throop
: Katherine Hepburn.
She's fictional or mythological? I did not know that.
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Michael Grosberg
There's a Kitiara in the DragonLance chronicles. She is notable enough
for me to know her name without ever having read it, but I can't tell
you if she's a redhead and I'm only guessing her age fits your request.
Eric Ammadon
>: plausible prose man <george...@gmail.com>
>: Katherine Hepburn.
>
>She's fictional or mythological? I did not know that.
Legendary at least, but I never thought of her as an "Action Girl".
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:40:06 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
> <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> First (given) or last (family) name begins with "K" (or, if from a
>> different language with different alphabet, would be transcribed to the
>> English alphabet as a K)
>>
>> Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of their
>> origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit the "K"
>> criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of the Caribbean,
>> Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh DuQuesne from CSI: Miami, etc.
>
> While she fails on your next criterion, I don't watch CSI:Miami, how do you
> pronounce her first name if not like Kal-lay? (Sallie?)
>
Kal-lay is indeed the way it's pronounced, but the spelling of that
character's name is already established as "C". The transliteration bit
only applies to characters whose names aren't normally WRITTEN in
English symbols.
Bob Throllop
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> I also asked this question on my LiveJournal:
>
> Those in my beta-reading group and some others will know what the
> reference here is, but I'm interested in finding as many possible
> candidates that would fit the following criteria:
>
> Female and generally envisioned as reasonably young (late teens to early
> thirties)
>
> First (given) or last (family) name begins with "K" (or, if from a
> different language with different alphabet, would be transcribed to the
> English alphabet as a K)
>
> Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of their
> origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit the "K"
> criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of the Caribbean,
> Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh DuQuesne from CSI: Miami, etc.
>
> They must be iconic/important enough in their source material to be
> reasonably likely to draw the attention of fans rather than be a "oh,
> yes, she was in there too" kind of thing.
>
> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
> redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely on
> the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
>
No one mentioned so far is nearly as appropriate as Camilla, the Roman
warrior maiden from Virgil's Aeneid. Camilla is a super warrior who
fights the men on even terms and slaughters Aeneas' men right and left
until one of them finally manages to take her down.
Kurt Busiek
> thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
>
>> : plausible prose man <george...@gmail.com>
>> : Katherine Hepburn.
>>
>> She's fictional or mythological? I did not know that.
>
> Legendary at least, but I never thought of her as an "Action Girl".
When the director said, "Action!", off shed go...
kdb
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
And am I correct in believing that a transliteration from the original
would reasonably be "Kamilla"?
art...@yahoo.com
> : plausible prose man <georgefha...@gmail.com>
> : Katherine Hepburn.
>
> She's fictional or mythological? I did not know that.
Here is another Red Headed Kate with at least some SF context
Brian M. Scott
Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
<news:hpspr6$cjh$1...@news.eternal-september.org> in
rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.composition:
> Bob Throllop wrote:
[...]
>> No one mentioned so far is nearly as appropriate as
>> Camilla, the Roman warrior maiden from Virgil's Aeneid.
>> Camilla is a super warrior who fights the men on even
>> terms and slaughters Aeneas' men right and left until
>> one of them finally manages to take her down.
> And am I correct in believing that a transliteration from
> the original would reasonably be "Kamilla"?
The original is in Latin, so no transliteration is needed:
the name is spelled <Camilla>.
Brian
Bill Swears
>
Katherine Minola (Kate) from Taming of the Shrew might fit. At least as
played by Elizabeth Taylor and Julia Styles.
Brian
> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:28:38 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E.
A transliteration from the original into ENGLISH would not require a
K. Perhaps Sea Wasp's narrator got the name from a German or a Greek.
Bill Swears
>
> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
> redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely on
> the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
>
> I have my own set of candidates, but I'm interested to see how many come
> up in a wider context.
Katherine Gilhooley McLintock, played by Maureen O'Hara in John Wayne's
McLintock?
Brian
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>
>
>
> Katherine Minola (Kate) from Taming of the Shrew might fit. At least as
> played by Elizabeth Taylor and Julia Styles.
>
Which leads us to Kleopatra who, unfortunately, probably did not have
red hair.
Eric Ammadon
There was a time when I suspect Kelly LeBrock would have fit,
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Kelly-LeBrock-Photograph-C12121407.jpeg
But them times they are a changing.
http://brianorndorf.typepad.com/my_weblog/images/2008/02/28/kelly_lebrock.jpg
Kurt Busiek
> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Those in my beta-reading group and some others will know what the
>> reference here is, but I'm interested in finding as many possible
>> candidates that would fit the following criteria:
>>
>> Female and generally envisioned as reasonably young (late teens to early
>> thirties)
>
> There was a time when I suspect Kelly LeBrock would have fit,
> http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Kelly-LeBrock-Photograph-C12121407.jpeg
>
> But them times they are a changing.
> http://brianorndorf.typepad.com/my_weblog/images/2008/02/28/kelly_lebrock.jpg
Yeah, being 50 now undercuts the age requirement...
Brian M. Scott
<bobth...@brandx.net> wrote in
<news:4d7db96d-8a49-4c61...@u34g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.composition:
>>> Bob Throllop wrote:
>> [...]
Probably not a German: both of the German translations that
I've seen spell the name <Camilla>.
Brian
Eric Ammadon
Heh, if I think of her I don't think of her as 50, so I suppose you
could say that she could be "envisioned as reasonably young (late
teens to early thirties)".
I'm not entirely sure what Ryk is looking for, but he didn't say "must
be reasonably young" but "envisioned as reasonably young".
Though I have to admit that second picture puts a definite crimp in my
ability to remember her as she was when actually in the desired age
span. ;-(
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Let's not confuse the actresses with the characters.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2010-04-11 11:23:54 -0700, Eric Ammadon <n...@spam.thankee> said:
>>
>>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Those in my beta-reading group and some others will know what the
>>>> reference here is, but I'm interested in finding as many possible
>>>> candidates that would fit the following criteria:
>>>>
>>>> Female and generally envisioned as reasonably young (late teens to early
>>>> thirties)
>>> There was a time when I suspect Kelly LeBrock would have fit,
>>> http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Kelly-LeBrock-Photograph-C12121407.jpeg
>>>
>>> But them times they are a changing.
>>> http://brianorndorf.typepad.com/my_weblog/images/2008/02/28/kelly_lebrock.jpg
>> Yeah, being 50 now undercuts the age requirement...
>>
>> kdb
>
> Heh, if I think of her I don't think of her as 50, so I suppose you
> could say that she could be "envisioned as reasonably young (late
> teens to early thirties)".
>
> I'm not entirely sure what Ryk is looking for, but he didn't say "must
> be reasonably young" but "envisioned as reasonably young".
>
Kelly LeBrock was very lovely, but she's also a real person. I was
looking for fictional or mythological characters, not actresses.
Michael Ikeda
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om:
Kerowyn (main character in "By the Sword" by Mercedes Lackey, also
appears in several other Valdemar novels.) seems to fit most of the
criteria. I don't think she's a redhead, however (although I think
she could be without affecting her story in any nontrivial way).
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astronomer they can't say there is a moon and stars"
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Bill Swears
> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
> redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely on
> the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
>
> up in a wider context.
I just found out that one of the Batwomen is named Kathleen 'Kathy'
Duquesne, although she has black hair.
David DeLaney
>"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>First (given) or last (family) name begins with "K" (or, if from a
>>different language with different alphabet, would be transcribed to the
>>English alphabet as a K)
>>
>>Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of their
>>origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit the "K"
>>criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of the Caribbean,
>>Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh DuQuesne from CSI: Miami, etc.
>
>While she fails on your next criterion, I don't watch CSI:Miami, how do you
>pronounce her first name if not like Kal-lay? (Sallie?)
Kleindori doesn't quite action-ate, I think.
And there's an issue with "transcribe it into English and it's a K" - a good
many of those turn up as a hard C instead. I gather they aren't what you're
looking for though?
Dave
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David DeLaney
>Kara Zor-El?
Unfortunately, I don't think she's ever turned up as a redhead; she's usually
fairly blonde. Lana Lang's the redhead in that collection.
Bill Swears
> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
> redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely on
> the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
>
> I have my own set of candidates, but I'm interested to see how many come
> up in a wider context.
Kara Thrace.
Bill Swears
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
>> redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely
>> on the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
>>
>> I have my own set of candidates, but I'm interested to see how many
>> come up in a wider context.
>
> Kara Thrace.
And yes, I know she's not a redhead. But you did bring up the Could be
a redhead bit, and I think redhead would have worked well in the role.
More to the point, I don't think that Katy Sackhoff was required to make
the role work. I think the character could have been played by any
sufficiently kickass female star.
Bill
Eric Ammadon
>Eric Ammadon wrote:
>> Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-04-11 11:23:54 -0700, Eric Ammadon <n...@spam.thankee> said:
>>>
>>>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Those in my beta-reading group and some others will know what the
>>>>> reference here is, but I'm interested in finding as many possible
>>>>> candidates that would fit the following criteria:
>>>>>
>>>>> Female and generally envisioned as reasonably young (late teens to early
>>>>> thirties)
>>>> There was a time when I suspect Kelly LeBrock would have fit,
>>>> http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Kelly-LeBrock-Photograph-C12121407.jpeg
>>>>
>>>> But them times they are a changing.
>>>> http://brianorndorf.typepad.com/my_weblog/images/2008/02/28/kelly_lebrock.jpg
>>> Yeah, being 50 now undercuts the age requirement...
>>>
>>> kdb
>>
>> Heh, if I think of her I don't think of her as 50, so I suppose you
>> could say that she could be "envisioned as reasonably young (late
>> teens to early thirties)".
>>
>> I'm not entirely sure what Ryk is looking for, but he didn't say "must
>> be reasonably young" but "envisioned as reasonably young".
>>
>
> Kelly LeBrock was very lovely, but she's also a real person. I was
>looking for fictional or mythological characters, not actresses.
Okay.
Pretty much any female person noted in one of Doc Smith's works is
likely to fit then, he seemed to have a thing for redheads.
There's another author whose women always have "reddish blonde" hair
but I can't recall at the moment just who it was.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>> First (given) or last (family) name begins with "K" (or, if from a
>>> different language with different alphabet, would be transcribed to the
>>> English alphabet as a K)
>>>
>>> Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of their
>>> origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit the "K"
>>> criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of the Caribbean,
>>> Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh DuQuesne from CSI: Miami, etc.
>> While she fails on your next criterion, I don't watch CSI:Miami, how do you
>> pronounce her first name if not like Kal-lay? (Sallie?)
>
> Kleindori doesn't quite action-ate, I think.
>
> And there's an issue with "transcribe it into English and it's a K" - a good
> many of those turn up as a hard C instead. I gather they aren't what you're
> looking for though?
No, that'd be fine -- i.e., if the original is in a language like
Japanese, where the sound in question could be transliterated as a hard
C OR as a K, I can always choose "K" even if the common transliteration
used is a C.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
wrote:
>Bill Swears wrote:
>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
>>> redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely
>>> on the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
>>>
>>> I have my own set of candidates, but I'm interested to see how many
>>> come up in a wider context.
>>
>> Kara Thrace.
>
>And yes, I know she's not a redhead. But you did bring up the Could be
>a redhead bit, and I think redhead would have worked well in the role.
>More to the point, I don't think that Katy Sackhoff was required to make
>the role work. I think the character could have been played by any
>sufficiently kickass female star.
Oh, if she doesn't have to be a redhead, would Karanissa fit?
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 00:21:51 -0800, Bill Swears <wsw...@gci.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Bill Swears wrote:
>>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>>> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
>>>> redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely
>>>> on the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
>>>>
>>>> I have my own set of candidates, but I'm interested to see how many
>>>> come up in a wider context.
>>> Kara Thrace.
>> And yes, I know she's not a redhead. But you did bring up the Could be
>> a redhead bit, and I think redhead would have worked well in the role.
>> More to the point, I don't think that Katy Sackhoff was required to make
>> the role work. I think the character could have been played by any
>> sufficiently kickass female star.
>
> Oh, if she doesn't have to be a redhead, would Karanissa fit?
>
If her being redheaded doesn't drastically affect her, it might work.
This is an easier thing for characters that have had multiple
interpretations, of course.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
She has black hair because I like black hair, and most Ethsharites
have black hair. I like red hair, too, though, and there's been at
least one Ethsharitic redhead elsewhere (Rudhira, in NIGHT OF
MADNESS), so I don't see it as a significant change.
Anthony Nance
>
> I also asked this question on my LiveJournal:
>
> reference here is, but I'm interested in finding as many possible
> candidates that would fit the following criteria:
>
> Female and generally envisioned as reasonably young (late teens to early
> thirties)
>
> different language with different alphabet, would be transcribed to the
> English alphabet as a K)
>
> Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of their
> origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit the "K"
> criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of the Caribbean,
> Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh DuQuesne from CSI: Miami, etc.
>
> reasonably likely to draw the attention of fans rather than be a "oh,
> yes, she was in there too" kind of thing.
>
> redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely on
> the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
Kali
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Kali is a redhead?
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
If the author doesn't see it as a significant change, then it isn't one. :)
Anthony Nance
a) You did say "preferably";
b) I could be way wrong, but the distinctive/identified parts of her
physical appearance don't seem to include hair color;
c) I'm trying to call up and clarify a memory of a specific, mutable
Kali (might be Zelazny, of course)
Tony
Wayne Throop
: if the original is in a language like
: C OR as a K, I can always choose "K" even if the common transliteration
: used is a C.
Cordelia Vorkosigan.
Though not because of the "C", but because the actual family name
is "Kosigan"' The "Vor" is juat an unusually clingy prefix-word.
"Good God, woman, where have you been?"
"Shopping."
[...]
"Gentlemen. If you will be pleased to excuse yourselves for a
few minutes, I wish to be alone with my wife."
"Brave man."
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"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
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>
> I also asked this question on my LiveJournal:
>
> Those in my beta-reading group and some others will know what the
> reference here is, but I'm interested in finding as many possible
> candidates that would fit the following criteria:
>
> Female and generally envisioned as reasonably young (late teens to early
> thirties)
>
> First (given) or last (family) name begins with "K" (or, if from a
> different language with different alphabet, would be transcribed to the
> English alphabet as a K)
>
> Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of their
> origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit the "K"
> criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of the Caribbean,
> Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh DuQuesne from CSI: Miami,
> etc.
>
> They must be iconic/important enough in their source material to be
> reasonably likely to draw the attention of fans rather than be a "oh, yes,
> she was in there too" kind of thing.
>
> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be redheaded
> without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely on the physical
> appearance echoing some other concept).
Penny King. Although she was blonde.
Brian
plausible prose man
> thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
> >: plausible prose man <georgefha...@gmail.com>
> >: Katherine Hepburn.
>
> >She's fictional or mythological? I did not know that.
>
> Legendary at least, but I never thought of her as an "Action Girl".
"Hepburn's father insisted the girls do swimming, riding, golf and
tennis. Hepburn, eager to please her father, won a bronze medal for
figure skating from the Madison Square Garden skating club, shot golf
in the low eighties and reached the semi final of the Connecticut
Young Women's Golf Championship. Hepburn especially enjoyed swimming,
and regularly took dips in the frigid waters that fronted her bayfront
Connecticut home, generally believing that "the bitterer the medicine,
the better it was for you." She continued her brisk swims well into
her 80s. Hepburn would come to be recognized for her athletic
physicality—she fearlessly performed her own pratfalls in films such
as Bringing Up Baby (1938)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Hepburn
"Katharine Hepburn was generally fearless around the young leopard
'Nissa (II)' who played "Baby" and even enjoyed petting it. Cary Grant
was less fond of the big cat and a double was used in the scenes where
his character and the leopard had to make contact. "
Eric Ammadon
Interesting, thanks.
Chris
> thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
> >: plausible prose man <georgefha...@gmail.com>
> >: Katherine Hepburn.
>
> >She's fictional or mythological? I did not know that.
>
> Legendary at least, but I never thought of her as an "Action Girl".
>
Might I suggest a viewing of "The African Queen"?
Chris
William George Ferguson
She was a dab hand with a piper cub.
Hey, maybe Pat Savage's middle name started with K.
--
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
(Bene Gesserit)
Ric Locke
No, that was an Aztec. Later on they had a Cessna 310.
Regards,
Ric
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> On 4/10/2010 10:40 AM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>
>> I also asked this question on my LiveJournal:
>>
>> Those in my beta-reading group and some others will know what the
>> reference here is, but I'm interested in finding as many possible
>> candidates that would fit the following criteria:
>>
>> Female and generally envisioned as reasonably young (late teens to early
>> thirties)
>>
>> First (given) or last (family) name begins with "K" (or, if from a
>> different language with different alphabet, would be transcribed to the
>> English alphabet as a K)
>>
>> Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of their
>> origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit the "K"
>> criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of the Caribbean,
>> Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh DuQuesne from CSI: Miami,
>> etc.
>>
>> They must be iconic/important enough in their source material to be
>> reasonably likely to draw the attention of fans rather than be a "oh,
>> yes, she was in there too" kind of thing.
>>
>> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
>> redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely on
>> the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
>>
>> up in a wider context.
>
> young for your (undoubtedly nefarious) purposes.
>
> Another super-K candidate and definitely an "action girl" would be
> Katherine "Kitty" Katt from Gini Koch's new series
> (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26767), but I don't think she is a
> redhead (I am not color-enabled, so take it with a grain of salt.) Kate
> Daniels from Illona Andrews' eponymous series
> (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Ilona%20Andrews) has the advantage
> of a large fan base if that's important to you.
>
> Then there is Cassandra "Sandy" Kresnov
> (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Joel%20Shepherd), but, um, you have
> to be willing to stretch the definition of the term "girl" a bit. Of
> course, this is not an uncommon problem in SF, e.g. does Georgina
> Kincaid (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Richelle%20Mead), a
> succubus, count as a "girl"?
>
Some interesting suggestions. Yes, Katie is definitely too young, and
her character/series doesn't quite fit the purpose.
The purpose is to just broaden my own set of possible candidates to
fill in the background of one of the main characters of Grand Central
Arena, who mentions one of his fellow Hyperions (products of an
extremely ill-advised genetic and psychological engineering experiment)
in a context that implies a very close and possibly romantic friendship,
who is only referred to as "K". All the Hyperions were based on SF/F
characters or on mythological/folklore characters of particular types --
namely, ones that could reasonably be considered "great heroes"; in the
case of some source material which was obscure enough that only one
person was strongly interested in it, you might end up with a
combination character involving aspects of several characters from that
source, while in other cases where many different "takes" on that
character had been done by multiple people you might get a version of
the character that combined aspects of multiple adaptations.
I already had an idea of who "K" is for myself, but I wanted to see
what would come up -- especially if anything came up that I felt was an
even better choice.
Of course, this being 300+ years in the future, I COULD just have "K"
be from some work of fiction not written or filmed or VR'd until 150
years or more from now, but that's less fun for the reader.
Bill Swears
David DeLaney
d) Are YOU going to stand there and tell her she can't be one?
Dave "the ball came alive with ball-ness, and the spoon with spoon-ness" DeLaney
Eric Ammadon
Just "K" was good enough for MIB.
"No, ma'am. We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor we're aware of.
May we come in?"
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 00:21:51 -0800, Bill Swears <wsw...@gci.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Kara Thrace.
>>>> And yes, I know she's not a redhead. But you did bring up the Could
>>>> be a redhead bit, and I think redhead would have worked well in the
>>>> role. More to the point, I don't think that Katy Sackhoff was
>>>> required to make the role work. I think the character could have
>>>> been played by any sufficiently kickass female star.
>>>
>>> Oh, if she doesn't have to be a redhead, would Karanissa fit?
>>>
>>
>> If her being redheaded doesn't drastically affect her, it might
>> work. This is an easier thing for characters that have had multiple
>> interpretations, of course.
>>
>>
> As in Batwoman, who's been reinvented many times?
>
Yes, many superheroes might fit there. Sherlock Holmes and Dracula are
other obvious examples. One specific one that WAS done was Wu Kung/Son
Goku, and the arguments about which parts of which version to include
were epic in their fanboyishness.
William George Ferguson
wrote:
You're right that it was an Aztec, not a Cub. The 310 was Sky's plane, the
Songbird (the second Songbird, it replaced an earlier Cessna). The Piper
was Penny's plane (she was an air racer). Penny did occasionally fly the
Songbird (she was multi-engine rated). Her brother Clipper wasn't and
didn't, although he did fly the Piper.
Lord, has it been 50 years since I saw an episode?
Chris
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> I also asked this question on my LiveJournal:
>
> Those in my beta-reading group and some others will know what the
> reference here is, but I'm interested in finding as many possible
> candidates that would fit the following criteria:
>
> Female and generally envisioned as reasonably young (late teens to early
> thirties)
>
> First (given) or last (family) name begins with "K" (or, if from a
> different language with different alphabet, would be transcribed to the
> English alphabet as a K)
>
> Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of their
> origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit the "K"
> criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of the Caribbean,
> Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh DuQuesne from CSI: Miami, etc.
>
> They must be iconic/important enough in their source material to be
> reasonably likely to draw the attention of fans rather than be a "oh,
> yes, she was in there too" kind of thing.
>
> Preferably redheaded, or if the source material varies, COULD be
> redheaded without damaging the character concept (some concepts rely on
> the physical appearance echoing some other concept).
>
> up in a wider context.
>
It would be odd if she was a redhead, unless hair dying is common
place, but I will also toss Kissy Suzuki into the ring.
Chris
Chris
> : "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com>
But if we are allowing C-names, I nominate Cat Ballou.
(could be a red-head with no story damage).
Chris
William December Starr
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
> Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of
> their origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit
> the "K" criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of
> the Caribbean, Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh
> DuQuesne from CSI: Miami, etc.
I occasionally watch "CSI: Miami" (purely for purposes of being able
to mock it with authority, of course). I'd never have classified
Calleigh as an action girl. Certainly not in the same sentence with
the others you list there... very occasionally having to run after
or away from a bad guy doesn't really qualify her, I think. Emma
Peel she ain't.
(Also, imdb.com and tv.com agree on "Duquesne," not "DuQuesne."
I don't know if her name has canonically appeared in print on the
show.)
-- wds
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> In article <hpq2k8$cok$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
>
>> Reasonably describable as an "Action Girl" within the context of
>> their origin. Appropriate characters who unfortunately don't fit
>> the "K" criterion would be Elizabeth Turner from the Pirates of
>> the Caribbean, Xena, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Red Sonja, Calleigh
>> DuQuesne from CSI: Miami, etc.
>
> I occasionally watch "CSI: Miami" (purely for purposes of being able
> to mock it with authority, of course).
But you can't HAVE any authority....(puts on shades) ... unless you ARE
one. YYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!
> I'd never have classified
> Calleigh as an action girl.
Close enough for me. She can kill you dead at 800 yards, shoot anything
that moves, and has taken down men twice her size with her bare hands if
necessary.
I just finished writing a novel starring Marc C. DuQuesne. And the
question in this thread is about his potential ex... so that particular
spelling is pretty much locked in my fingers.
Eric Ammadon
Just after the Howdy Doody show, just before the Shari Lewis show,
sometime around the time Captain Kangaroo and Mr Greenjeans did their
thing... Dang, those were the days, huh?
David Goldfarb
Bob Throllop <bobth...@brandx.net> wrote:
>No one mentioned so far is nearly as appropriate as Camilla, the Roman
>warrior maiden from Virgil's Aeneid.
"Roman" is a bit of a misnomer here, as even if you take the events
of the poem as history, she predates the founding of Rome by centuries.
--
David Goldfarb |"Never argue with a pedant over nomenclature.
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | It wastes your time and annoys the pedant."
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | -- Lois McMaster Bujold
William George Ferguson
In that case, it doesn't matter who you choose. Hunkie will chew her up
and spit her out.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
No Hunkie DeMarigny. Only one Doc Smith character was actually created
in the Hyperion Project -- one reason why this version of DuQuesne is a
good guy version with a little admixture of Seaton and Kinnison.
ShellyS
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>
>
>
> > Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>>> Kara Thrace.
> >>> And yes, I know she's not a redhead. But you did bring up the Could
> >>> be a redhead bit, and I think redhead would have worked well in the
> >>> role. More to the point, I don't think that Katy Sackhoff was
> >>> required to make the role work. I think the character could have
> >>> been played by any sufficiently kickass female star.
>
> >> Oh, if she doesn't have to be a redhead, would Karanissa fit?
>
> > If her being redheaded doesn't drastically affect her, it might
> > work. This is an easier thing for characters that have had multiple
> > interpretations, of course.
>
> As in Batwoman, who's been reinvented many times?
>
Many times? I know of only 2 Batwomen, at least in DC Comics. The
original was Kathy Kane, who had black hair and her blonde niece Betty
was the original Batgirl. The new and current Batwoman is Kate Kane, a
Jewish lesbian with bright red hair.
The character of Batgirl has had a number of versions. After Betty,
there was Barbara "Babs" Gordon (currently Oracle), then Cassandra
Cain, and now Stephanie Brown (formerly Spoiler). Cassandra was Asian,
or part Asian. Steph is blonde. And Babs is a redhead.
So I just Googled and found a reference to a direct to video animated
film with a Kathy Duquesne as sharing Batwoman duties with 2 other
gals. So that looks like a one-shot and is not part of the comics
continuity. Interesting, tho.
--Shelly, who still reads at least 25 comics a month, nearly all DCs
Kurt Busiek
> On Apr 13, 12:28 am, Bill Swears <wswe...@gci.net> wrote:
>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>
>>> If her being redheaded doesn't drastically affect her, it might
>>> work. This is an easier thing for characters that have had multiple
>>> interpretations, of course.
>>
>> As in Batwoman, who's been reinvented many times?
>
> Many times? I know of only 2 Batwomen, at least in DC Comics. The
> original was Kathy Kane, who had black hair and her blonde niece Betty
> was the original Batgirl. The new and current Batwoman is Kate Kane, a
> Jewish lesbian with bright red hair.
Those are the two major ones, and you note Kathy Duquesne from the
cartoon, who'd been brought up earlier in the thread.
But there've been at least seven versions of Kathy Kane, plus at least
nine one-shot variants, plus Bette Kane was Batwoman once, and she had
a variant version too, and then there's the Super Friends alien
Batwoman, the "Dream Team" version, the Barbara Gordon Batwoman from
the "Bruce (Superman) Wayne" stories, the alt-world Helena Wayne
Batwoman, and the Kingdom Come Batwoman.
So yeah, two major versions, but it's fair to say she's been reinvented
many times, too. Particularly in a context that was acknowledging the
Kathy Duquesne version.
> The character of Batgirl has had a number of versions. After Betty,
> there was Barbara "Babs" Gordon (currently Oracle), then Cassandra
> Cain, and now Stephanie Brown (formerly Spoiler). Cassandra was Asian,
> or part Asian. Steph is blonde. And Babs is a redhead.
Counting all variants, there've been over 60 versions of Batgirl
scattered across DC's publishing history. Many of them near-identical,
but from parallel realities. But you've identified the four major
versions -- the only other contender is Helena Bertinelli, who was
"Batgirl" for 17 appearances before Cassandra Cain got the role.
There's also a Bat-Boy and a Bat-Guy. Along with Bat-Hound, Bat-Mite,
the Bat-Knights, two versions of Batman Jones, multiple Batman Jr.s,
Batmouse, the Bat Squad and even Bat-Thing...
kdb
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Bill Swears
---snip---
> Counting all variants, there've been over 60 versions of Batgirl
> scattered across DC's publishing history. Many of them near-identical,
> but from parallel realities. But you've identified the four major
> versions -- the only other contender is Helena Bertinelli, who was
> "Batgirl" for 17 appearances before Cassandra Cain got the role.
>
---snip---
>
> kdb
Kurt answered much more thoroughly than I could have. I only knew about
these:
http://www.comicvine.com/batwoman/29-9052/
and these:
http://dcanimated.wikia.com/wiki/Batwoman
and only because I was actively looking for Batwomen with "K" names.
David DeLaney
>But there've been at least seven versions of Kathy Kane, plus at least
>nine one-shot variants, plus Bette Kane was Batwoman once, and she had
>a variant version too, and then there's the Super Friends alien
>Batwoman, the "Dream Team" version, the Barbara Gordon Batwoman from
>the "Bruce (Superman) Wayne" stories, the alt-world Helena Wayne
>Batwoman, and the Kingdom Come Batwoman.
Never let anyone's mother tell you that reading comics is for WEAKLINGS.
>There's also a Bat-Boy and a Bat-Guy. Along with Bat-Hound, Bat-Mite,
>the Bat-Knights, two versions of Batman Jones, multiple Batman Jr.s,
>Batmouse, the Bat Squad and even Bat-Thing...
Has there been a Bat-bat yet? Or am I half-remembering a MAD Magazine parody
from long ago?
Dave "yes, I know about Man-Bat" DeLaney
PS: We're not even STARTING on getting into the Batarangs, Batcopters,
Batmobiles, etc., much less the various Robins.
Kurt Busiek
> Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> But there've been at least seven versions of Kathy Kane, plus at least
>> nine one-shot variants, plus Bette Kane was Batwoman once, and she had
>> a variant version too, and then there's the Super Friends alien
>> Batwoman, the "Dream Team" version, the Barbara Gordon Batwoman from
>> the "Bruce (Superman) Wayne" stories, the alt-world Helena Wayne
>> Batwoman, and the Kingdom Come Batwoman.
>
> Never let anyone's mother tell you that reading comics is for WEAKLINGS.
>
>> There's also a Bat-Boy and a Bat-Guy. Along with Bat-Hound, Bat-Mite,
>> the Bat-Knights, two versions of Batman Jones, multiple Batman Jr.s,
>> Batmouse, the Bat Squad and even Bat-Thing...
>
> Has there been a Bat-bat yet? Or am I half-remembering a MAD Magazine parody
> from long ago?
On the MIGHTY MOUSE: THE NEW ADVENTURES cartoon.
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And the Bug Wonder, of course.
Brian
Wayne Throop
:: On the MIGHTY MOUSE: THE NEW ADVENTURES cartoon.
Where am I remembering Man-man from? Hm. Google. Well, not the
band, no. But looks like the concept has been done multple times,
since the ones I can google don't match my memory of a guy in a pink
suit in a vaguely ren-and-stimpy-esque animated series.
The <mumble>ing Boys? Feh, memory more on the fritz than usual.
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Kurt Busiek
> ::: Has there been a Bat-bat yet?
> :: On the MIGHTY MOUSE: THE NEW ADVENTURES cartoon.
> : And the Bug Wonder, of course.
>
> Where am I remembering Man-man from? Hm. Google. Well, not the
> band, no. But looks like the concept has been done multple times,
> since the ones I can google don't match my memory of a guy in a pink
> suit in a vaguely ren-and-stimpy-esque animated series.
> The <mumble>ing Boys? Feh, memory more on the fritz than usual.
Man-Man and Boy-Boy were on THE RIPPING FRIENDS, a short-lived series
created by John Kricfalusi of REN & STIMPY fame.
ShellyS
Wayne on Earth 2, of course). That must've been during my "hiatus from
comics" (I boycotted DC for 10 years after Supergirl was killed in
Crisis. I suspect my protest went unnoticed. ;) )
I wasn't counting variants that used the same name. Even Bruce Wayne's
been reworked numerous times. But the original question, as I recall,
was focusing on names.
> There's also a Bat-Boy and a Bat-Guy. Along with Bat-Hound, Bat-Mite,
> the Bat-Knights, two versions of Batman Jones, multiple Batman Jr.s,
> Batmouse, the Bat Squad and even Bat-Thing...
>
There's probably a Bat-Bat flying around the Cave, too. Not to mention
Man-Bat. ;)
A few Robins, too. And Dick Grayson's been Batman on more than one
Earth. After so many years, so many universes, and so many retcons,
it's expected that there are dozens of versions of characters, but the
names don't change that often.
--Shelly
Kurt Busiek
> On Apr 15, 7:34 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> Counting all variants, there've been over 60 versions of Batgirl
>> scattered across DC's publishing history. Many of them near-identical,
>> but from parallel realities. But you've identified the four major
>> versions -- the only other contender is Helena Bertinelli, who was
>> "Batgirl" for 17 appearances before Cassandra Cain got the role.
>>
> I didn't know Helena was ever anything but the Huntress (after Helena
> Wayne on Earth 2, of course). That must've been during my "hiatus from
> comics" (I boycotted DC for 10 years after Supergirl was killed in
> Crisis. I suspect my protest went unnoticed. ;) )
>
> I wasn't counting variants that used the same name. Even Bruce Wayne's
> been reworked numerous times. But the original question, as I recall,
> was focusing on names.
Sure. But the idea of "reinvented many times" isn't linked to that.
And I'd definitely say Batman's a character who's been reinvented many
times.
ShellyS
True. And I guess we have different ways of viewing this because to
me, all the variations of Kathy Kane or Bruce Wayne are still, in
essence the same character. But Kate Kane is to me a new character and
not a variation of Kathy Kane, same as Jason Todd and Tim Drake aren't
variations of Dick Grayson, nor do I consider Kate a reinvention of
Kathy.
--Shelly
Kurt Busiek
> On Apr 16, 5:54 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> On 2010-04-16 12:57:51 -0700, ShellyS <shell...@gmail.com> said:
>>
>>> On Apr 15, 7:34 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>>> Counting all variants, there've been over 60 versions of Batgirl
>>>> scattered across DC's publishing history. Many of them near-identic
> al,
>>>> but from parallel realities. But you've identified the four major
>>>> versions -- the only other contender is Helena Bertinelli, who was
>>>> "Batgirl" for 17 appearances before Cassandra Cain got the role.
>>
>>> I didn't know Helena was ever anything but the Huntress (after Helena
>>> Wayne on Earth 2, of course). That must've been during my "hiatus from
>>> comics" (I boycotted DC for 10 years after Supergirl was killed in
>>> Crisis. I suspect my protest went unnoticed. ;) )
>>
>>> I wasn't counting variants that used the same name. Even Bruce Wayne's
>>> been reworked numerous times. But the original question, as I recall,
>>> was focusing on names.
>>
>> Sure. But the idea of "reinvented many times" isn't linked to that.
>
>> And I'd definitely say Batman's a character who's been reinvented many
>> times.
>
> True. And I guess we have different ways of viewing this because to
> me, all the variations of Kathy Kane or Bruce Wayne are still, in
> essence the same character.
Not to me. The Kathy Kane that married Superman is pretty much a
different character, to me. Just as I'd say that the Barbara Gordon
who became a Congresswoman is a different character from the Barbara
Gordon we have today.
> But Kate Kane is to me a new character and
> not a variation of Kathy Kane, same as Jason Todd and Tim Drake aren't
> variations of Dick Grayson, nor do I consider Kate a reinvention of
> Kathy.
I'll agree with you there. I think there was a current-timeline
version of Kathy that Kate may be related to, even.
kdb
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ShellyS
It's for discussions like this and all the possibilities that I'm glad
the multiverse is back. :)
--Shelly
William December Starr
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
> William December Starr wrote:
>
>> I'd never have classified Calleigh as an action girl.
>
> Close enough for me. She can kill you dead at 800 yards, shoot
> anything that moves, and has taken down men twice her size with
> her bare hands if necessary.
Meh. I'd hold that in order to be an Action Foo one has to not only
be able to action[1] but also has to _do_ it on a regular basis,
generally at least once per adventure modulo special stories that
focus strongly on a different character. Emma Peel? Action Girl[2].
Calleigh Duquense? Neh.
*1: Yes, it's a verb.
*2: It's okay, it's 1966 -- you can call her a girl.
-- wds
erilar
wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
> Emma Peel? Action Girl[2].
> Calleigh Duquense? Neh.
>
> *1: Yes, it's a verb.
>
> *2: It's okay, it's 1966 -- you can call her a girl.
Re #2: The one who came along after her "girl"; Mrs. Peel was an action
woman 8-)
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
William December Starr
erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> said:
> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>
>> Emma Peel? Action Girl[2].
>> Calleigh Duquense? Neh.
>>
>> *1: Yes, it's a verb.
>>
>> *2: It's okay, it's 1966 -- you can call her a girl.
>
> Re #2: The one who came along after her "girl"; Mrs. Peel was an
> action woman 8-)
As far as I'm concerned the official name of the one who came along
after her is That Child.
-- wds
erilar
wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
> In article <drache-E472A5....@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>,
> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> said:
>
> > wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
> >
> >> Emma Peel? Action Girl[2].
> >> Calleigh Duquense? Neh.
> >>
> >> *1: Yes, it's a verb.
> >>
> >> *2: It's okay, it's 1966 -- you can call her a girl.
> >
> > Re #2: The one who came along after her "girl"; Mrs. Peel was an
> > action woman 8-)
>
> As far as I'm concerned the official name of the one who came along
> after her is That Child.
That's certainly accurate if you allow "girl" for Emma Peel.