Do My Homework: Interstellar empires with female heads of state

James Nicoll

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Dec 16, 2009, 1:14:03 AM12/16/09

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Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
there have to be lots of examples, right?
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Ted Nolan <tednolan>

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Dec 16, 2009, 1:19:35 AM12/16/09

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In article <hg9trb$49k$1...@reader1.panix.com>,

James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
>KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
>there have to be lots of examples, right?
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Heinlein's _Glory Road_ ?

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Ted Nolan <tednolan>

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Dec 16, 2009, 1:25:43 AM12/16/09

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In article <hg9trb$49k$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:

> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
>KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
>there have to be lots of examples, right?
>--

Ringo & Weber's "March to the Stars" series.

Was Van Vogt's Isher Earth only? I know there was action off planet.

Come to think of it, you could count the captain in the various permutations
of _The Mixed Men_, I think.

Andrew Plotkin

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Dec 16, 2009, 1:48:32 AM12/16/09

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Here, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
> KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
> there have to be lots of examples, right?

Are the haut women of Cetaganda "heads of state"?

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Andrew Plotkin

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Dec 16, 2009, 1:54:14 AM12/16/09

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Here, Andrew Plotkin <erky...@eblong.com> wrote:
> Here, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> > Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
> > KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
> > there have to be lots of examples, right?
>
> Are the haut women of Cetaganda "heads of state"?

And I think Diane Duane's Romulan subseries ended with a woman as
Empress. I don't remember the details, I'm afraid.

Michael Grosberg

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Dec 16, 2009, 2:08:27 AM12/16/09

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On Dec 16, 8:14 am, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
> KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
> there have to be lots of examples, right?

> --http://www.livejournal.com/users/james_nicollhttp://www.cafepress.com/jdnicoll(For all your "The problem with

> defending the English language [...]" T-shirt, cup and tote-bag needs)

the Hegemony of Man in Simmons' Hyperion Cantos.

My current problem with trying to think of other female heads of state
of interstellar empires: I can't think of other interstellar empires.
Been reading near-future SF and posthumanist space opera lately. Not
many empires in those.

Wayne Throop

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Dec 16, 2009, 2:08:17 AM12/16/09

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:: Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF

:: KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
:: there have to be lots of examples, right?

: Ringo & Weber's "March to the Stars" series.

:
: Was Van Vogt's Isher Earth only? I know there was action off planet.
:
: Come to think of it, you could count the captain in the various
: permutations of _The Mixed Men_, I think.

Well, there's the Queen of the Crown and her slaverlords in
the Galaxy Rangers animated series.

And there's some indication that the Vord in the Codex Alera
series are actually a multi-planet civilization. And they are
perforce led by females. (You didn't say they had to be human...)

Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw

David DeLaney

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Dec 15, 2009, 11:29:09 PM12/15/09

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James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
>KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
>there have to be lots of examples, right?

The Bene Gesserit count, right?

Dave
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Juho Julkunen

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:27:55 AM12/16/09

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In article <slrnhih7l...@gatekeeper.vic.com>, David DeLaney
(d...@gatekeeper.vic.com) says...

> James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> > Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
> >KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
> >there have to be lots of examples, right?
>
> The Bene Gesserit count, right?

I don't quite see that, but Hounoured Matres (from _Heretics of _ and
_Chapterhouse: _) should.

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Juho Julkunen

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:38:36 AM12/16/09

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In article <hg9trb$49k$1...@reader1.panix.com>, James Nicoll

(jdni...@panix.com) says...

> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
> KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
> there have to be lots of examples, right?

Empire of Earth in later books of Family d'Alembert series.

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Gerry Quinn

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Dec 16, 2009, 9:46:38 AM12/16/09

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In article <hg9trb$49k$1...@reader1.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com says...

> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
> KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
> there have to be lots of examples, right?

Does TV's Blake's Seven count? The evil alternate universe of Star
Trek Enterprise seemed to be heading that way also...

No literary examples spring to mind, though.

- Gerry Quinn

David Johnston

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Dec 16, 2009, 12:47:19 PM12/16/09

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On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:48:32 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Plotkin
<erky...@eblong.com> wrote:

>Here, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
>> KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
>> there have to be lots of examples, right?
>
>Are the haut women of Cetaganda "heads of state"?

No. The haut women control Cetagandan breeding at the uppermost
levels and thus policy is made with the ever-present thought "Will
this please or anger the haut-ladies?", but Cetaganda does have an
emperor and he isn't powerless.

Dan Blum

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Dec 16, 2009, 12:58:47 PM12/16/09

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James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
> KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
> there have to be lots of examples, right?

It's not very clear what the political setup is in Witches of Karres.
There is reference to an Emperor, and a separate reference to the
Empress Haile (I think that's the name), who is "the best of the lot"
(or something similar).

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Michael Stemper

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Dec 16, 2009, 1:06:31 PM12/16/09

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In article <7orcr6F...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>In article <hg9trb$49k$1...@reader1.panix.com>, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:

>> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
>>KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
>>there have to be lots of examples, right?

>Was Van Vogt's Isher Earth only? I know there was action off planet.

I believe that Earth, Venus, and Mars were all under the House of Isher.

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Michael Stemper

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Dec 16, 2009, 1:07:06 PM12/16/09

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Do not be fooled by the fact that the Empress was named "Stanley".

Konrad Gaertner

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:30:48 PM12/16/09

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James Nicoll wrote:
>
> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
> KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
> there have to be lots of examples, right?

I'm not certain, but Kristine Smith's Jani Kilian series may have had
a female head of state for the humanish empire.

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Mike Schilling

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Dec 16, 2009, 7:56:15 PM12/16/09

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Michael Stemper wrote:
> In article <7orcr6F...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com
> (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>> In article <hg9trb$49k$1...@reader1.panix.com>, James Nicoll
>> <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
>>> KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
>>> there have to be lots of examples, right?
>
>> Was Van Vogt's Isher Earth only? I know there was action off planet.
>
> I believe that Earth, Venus, and Mars were all under the House of
> Isher.

Some of the gas giants' moons too. They're all displayed on the Big Board.

Mike Schilling

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Dec 16, 2009, 7:56:40 PM12/16/09

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Andrew Plotkin wrote:
> Here, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES
>> OF KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I
>> know there have to be lots of examples, right?
>
> Are the haut women of Cetaganda "heads of state"?

Heads of the state of the genome.

Dwib

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Dec 17, 2009, 2:32:03 PM12/17/09

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On Dec 16, 12:14 am, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
> KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
> there have to be lots of examples, right?

> --http://www.livejournal.com/users/james_nicollhttp://www.cafepress.com/jdnicoll(For all your "The problem with

> defending the English language [...]" T-shirt, cup and tote-bag needs)

The BORG!

Denis Trenque

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Dec 18, 2009, 7:41:48 PM12/18/09

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James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:

> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
> KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
> there have to be lots of examples, right?

The skolian Empire of Asaro , is ruled by the Ruby Pharaoh, and was a
matriarchy (complex history) with Matriarch s ruling the noble families,
and has equally quasi-hereditary military leaders who are females.

And for the german serie Perry Rhodan, at least two, both lovers of
Atlan : Mirona Thetin Faktor I of the Mdi, and Theta da Ariga, empress
of Arkon.

David Harmon

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Dec 22, 2009, 2:08:22 AM12/22/09

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On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:14:03 +0000 (UTC) in rec.arts.sf.written,
jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote,

> Empires like, oh, Manticore, the galactic empire in WITCHES OF
>KARRES, and apparently the Ahb empire in BANNER OF THE STARS. I know
>there have to be lots of examples, right?

Her Wisdom Star, Empress of the Twenty Universes, in _Glory Road_

Ken from Chicago

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Dec 25, 2009, 6:56:40 AM12/25/09

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The Commonwealth in Peter F. Hamilton's PANDORA'S STAR / JUDAS UNCHAINED
duology was lead by a female.

-- Ken from Chicago