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Zeki Huysman

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May 5, 2011, 7:29:36 PM5/5/11
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1) Robert Aickman
2) Conrad Aiken
3) Joan Aiken
4) Michal Ajvaz
5) Vasily Aksyonov

AUTHORS I MISSED ON PREVIOUS POSTS

6) Charles Addams (an interesting suggestion in terms of boundaries)
7) Pete Adams
8) George Adamski

Which authors would make your cut?

Thanks for playing,
Zeki

David DeLaney

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May 5, 2011, 10:08:02 PM5/5/11
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Zeki Huysman <zhuy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>1) Robert Aickman
>2) Conrad Aiken
>3) Joan Aiken
>4) Michal Ajvaz
>5) Vasily Aksyonov
>
>AUTHORS I MISSED ON PREVIOUS POSTS
>
>6) Charles Addams (an interesting suggestion in terms of boundaries)
>7) Pete Adams
>8) George Adamski
>
>Which authors would make your cut?

If we're ALLOWED to add cartoon artists, then 6) has to be there. has to.

Of the others: the only one I know anything about is Joan Aiken, and I already
said her. :)

Dave
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Zeki Huysman

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May 5, 2011, 11:12:40 PM5/5/11
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On May 5, 7:08 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:

> Of the others: the only one I know anything about is Joan Aiken, and I already
> said her. :)

Dave--

You should look into Robert Aickman, especially if you like ghost
stories. I recommend "Ringing the Changes", which I have in Roald
Dahl's ghost story anthology. I think it's great.

Zeki

Zeki Huysman

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May 5, 2011, 11:19:17 PM5/5/11
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> 8) George Adamski

Looking a bit closer, it seems we can rule out Adamski.

Or were you serious, Evelyn?

Thanks for the heads-up, Butch.

Zeki

Michael Stemper

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May 6, 2011, 9:19:52 AM5/6/11
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>1) Robert Aickman
>2) Conrad Aiken
>3) Joan Aiken
>4) Michal Ajvaz
>5) Vasily Aksyonov

Amazing how many authors there are whom I'm ignorant of. In this list,
the only one I've even heard of is Joan Aiken, and I have no idea what
she's done.

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Stewart Robert Hinsley

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May 6, 2011, 10:09:35 AM5/6/11
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>Original Post:
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>f5205b22cbd91d39?hl=en#
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>1) Robert Aickman
>2) Conrad Aiken
>3) Joan Aiken
>4) Michal Ajvaz
>5) Vasily Aksyonov

Are you holding Alan Burt Akers over to Bu-?

ISFDB comes up with quite a list of names (search for " Ai", " Aj", "
Ak"), but Alan Burt Akers is the only name that rings any bells.


>
>AUTHORS I MISSED ON PREVIOUS POSTS
>
>6) Charles Addams (an interesting suggestion in terms of boundaries)
>7) Pete Adams
>8) George Adamski
>
>Which authors would make your cut?
>
>Thanks for playing,
>Zeki

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Kurt Busiek

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May 6, 2011, 3:17:45 PM5/6/11
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On 2011-05-06 06:19:52 -0700, mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael
Stemper) said:

> In article
> <2d49a222-7d8c-4519...@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
> Zeki Huysman <zhuy...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> 1) Robert Aickman
>> 2) Conrad Aiken
>> 3) Joan Aiken
>> 4) Michal Ajvaz
>> 5) Vasily Aksyonov
>
> Amazing how many authors there are whom I'm ignorant of. In this list,
> the only one I've even heard of is Joan Aiken, and I have no idea what
> she's done.

You should fix that last bit. Start with BLACK HEARTS IN BATTERSEA or
ARABEL'S RAVEN.

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Michael Stemper

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May 6, 2011, 3:42:45 PM5/6/11
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In article <iq1hgq$h5t$1...@dont-email.me>, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> writes:
>On 2011-05-06 06:19:52 -0700, mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) said:
>> In article <2d49a222-7d8c-4519...@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, Zeki Huysman <zhuy...@gmail.com> writes:

>>> 1) Robert Aickman
>>> 2) Conrad Aiken
>>> 3) Joan Aiken
>>> 4) Michal Ajvaz
>>> 5) Vasily Aksyonov
>>
>> Amazing how many authors there are whom I'm ignorant of. In this list,
>> the only one I've even heard of is Joan Aiken, and I have no idea what
>> she's done.
>
>You should fix that last bit. Start with BLACK HEARTS IN BATTERSEA or
>ARABEL'S RAVEN.

These titles sounded fantasy-ish enough[1] to make me look them up on
wikipedia. Lo and behold, she's the woman who wrote _Wolves of
Willoughby Chase_. So, I have read something by her. (And might check
out some more.)


[1] From my POV, that's generally a deal-breaker.


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Ahasuerus

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May 6, 2011, 5:01:34 PM5/6/11
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On May 6, 10:09 am, Stewart Robert Hinsley
<{$new...@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message
> <2d49a222-7d8c-4519-92f8-c682a20d3...@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
> Zeki Huysman <zhuys...@gmail.com> writes: [snip]
> >
> >5) Vasily Aksyonov

_The Island of Crimea_ was a solid AH novel back when they were rare,
so he may squeeze in even though the rest of his output is not SF.

> Are you holding Alan Burt Akers over to Bu-? [snip]

Indubitably - "Alan Burt Akers" was a Kenneth Bulmer pseudonym :)

Kurt Busiek

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May 6, 2011, 6:33:11 PM5/6/11
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On 2011-05-06 12:42:45 -0700, mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael
Stemper) said:

> In article <iq1hgq$h5t$1...@dont-email.me>, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> writes:
>> On 2011-05-06 06:19:52 -0700, mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael
>> Stemper) said:
>>> In article
>>> <2d49a222-7d8c-4519...@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Zeki Huysman <zhuy...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>>> 1) Robert Aickman
>>>> 2) Conrad Aiken
>>>> 3) Joan Aiken
>>>> 4) Michal Ajvaz
>>>> 5) Vasily Aksyonov
>>>
>>> Amazing how many authors there are whom I'm ignorant of. In this list,
>>> the only one I've even heard of is Joan Aiken, and I have no idea what
>>> she's done.
>>
>> You should fix that last bit. Start with BLACK HEARTS IN BATTERSEA or
>> ARABEL'S RAVEN.
>
> These titles sounded fantasy-ish enough[1] to make me look them up on
> wikipedia. Lo and behold, she's the woman who wrote _Wolves of
> Willoughby Chase_. So, I have read something by her. (And might check
> out some more.)

BLACK HEARTS is, in fact, the second book in the WOLVES series, but to
my mind the best place to start, mainly because it's the first to
feature Dido Twite, who livens everything up. And Aiken's Battersea is
more distinctive and fun than the remote setting of Willoughby Chase.

> [1] From my POV, that's generally a deal-breaker.

I suppose the Wolves Chronicles are technically fantasy, because
there's magic in them here and there, but mainly they're alternate
history adventure; historical derring-do in a history that never
happened.

And ARABEL'S RAVEN is fantasy in that it's not realistic, but it's not
genre fantasy. It's just the kind of world where a raven can eat an
escalator, and nobody thinks it's impossible.

THE SERIAL GARDEN, collecting her Armitage family stories, is overtly
fantasy, in that the kind of wacky things that happen in the Arabel
books happen here because of magic, but the fantasy is more absurd
conceit than genre fantasy stuff. A suburban British world where you
need a license for a unicorn and warlocks have gentleman's clubs, but
adults are mostly stuffy and kids are free to go where their
imagination takes them; it doesn't try to sell you realistic fantasy.
Closer to Thurber and MARRY POPPINS than to Tolkien.

Zeki Huysman

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May 6, 2011, 7:20:52 PM5/6/11
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On May 6, 7:09 am, Stewart Robert Hinsley <{$new...@meden.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

> Are you holding Alan Burt Akers over to Bu-?

Got it in one.

Thanks,
Zeki

Zeki Huysman

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May 6, 2011, 7:23:44 PM5/6/11
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On May 6, 2:01 pm, Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> wrote:
> On May 6, 10:09 am, Stewart Robert Hinsley
>
> <{$new...@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In message
> > <2d49a222-7d8c-4519-92f8-c682a20d3...@y27g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
> > Zeki Huysman <zhuys...@gmail.com> writes: [snip]
>
> > >5) Vasily Aksyonov
>
> _The Island of Crimea_ was a solid AH novel back when they were rare,
> so he may squeeze in even though the rest of his output is not SF.

Thanks for the input, Ahasuerus. Not at all familiar with Aksyonov.

Part of the value of this exercise for me is a list of what to snag
off the shelves at the used bookstore.

Zeki

Zeki Huysman

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May 6, 2011, 7:43:49 PM5/6/11
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Brian M. Scott

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May 6, 2011, 7:56:40 PM5/6/11
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On Fri, 6 May 2011 12:17:45 -0700, Kurt Busiek
<ku...@busiek.com> wrote in <news:iq1hgq$h5t$1...@dont-email.me>
in rec.arts.sf.written:

> On 2011-05-06 06:19:52 -0700, mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael
> Stemper) said:

[...]

>> Amazing how many authors there are whom I'm ignorant of.
>> In this list, the only one I've even heard of is Joan
>> Aiken, and I have no idea what she's done.

> You should fix that last bit. Start with BLACK HEARTS IN
> BATTERSEA or ARABEL'S RAVEN.

I'd read _The Whispering Mountain_ before _Black Hearts in
Battersea_. If one has any taste for gothics, _Castle
Barebane_ is pretty good.

Brian

Kurt Busiek

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May 6, 2011, 8:49:23 PM5/6/11
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On 2011-05-06 16:56:40 -0700, "Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> said:

> On Fri, 6 May 2011 12:17:45 -0700, Kurt Busiek
> <ku...@busiek.com> wrote in <news:iq1hgq$h5t$1...@dont-email.me>
> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>> On 2011-05-06 06:19:52 -0700, mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael
>> Stemper) said:
>
> [...]
>
>>> Amazing how many authors there are whom I'm ignorant of.
>>> In this list, the only one I've even heard of is Joan
>>> Aiken, and I have no idea what she's done.
>
>> You should fix that last bit. Start with BLACK HEARTS IN
>> BATTERSEA or ARABEL'S RAVEN.
>
> I'd read _The Whispering Mountain_ before _Black Hearts in
> Battersea_.

I've never read that one.

> If one has any taste for gothics, _Castle
> Barebane_ is pretty good.

I remember liking MIDNIGHT IS A PLACE, but don't remember much about it now.

David DeLaney

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May 7, 2011, 12:10:08 AM5/7/11
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Michael Stemper <mste...@walkabout.empros.com> wrote:
>Zeki Huysman <zhuy...@gmail.com> writes:
>>1) Robert Aickman
>>2) Conrad Aiken
>>3) Joan Aiken
>>4) Michal Ajvaz
>>5) Vasily Aksyonov
>
>Amazing how many authors there are whom I'm ignorant of. In this list,
>the only one I've even heard of is Joan Aiken, and I have no idea what
>she's done.

A good deal of YA short stories. Like, enough to fill your average
ten-year-old. Over decades. And at least some of them are straight-up
fantasy of one version or another, including one long series about the
Armitage family and the various adventures their children get into.

Dave "Dave Bob says two thumbs up" DeLaney

Elaine T

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May 7, 2011, 5:03:52 PM5/7/11
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On Fri, 6 May 2011 17:49:23 -0700, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
wrote:

>On 2011-05-06 16:56:40 -0700, "Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> said:
>
>> On Fri, 6 May 2011 12:17:45 -0700, Kurt Busiek
>> <ku...@busiek.com> wrote in <news:iq1hgq$h5t$1...@dont-email.me>
>> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>>
>>> On 2011-05-06 06:19:52 -0700, mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael
>>> Stemper) said:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> Amazing how many authors there are whom I'm ignorant of.
>>>> In this list, the only one I've even heard of is Joan
>>>> Aiken, and I have no idea what she's done.
>>
>>> You should fix that last bit. Start with BLACK HEARTS IN
>>> BATTERSEA or ARABEL'S RAVEN.
>>
>> I'd read _The Whispering Mountain_ before _Black Hearts in
>> Battersea_.
>
>I've never read that one.
>

It is tangentially related to the _Blackhearts In Battersea_ setting.
One or more of the sequels which I didn't like as well sent Dido to
sea with a Welsh sea captain. _The Whispering Mountain_ features his
son who is living with grandad in Wales. And a villainous marquis,
dwarf camels, IIRC, that live in caves, a lost tribe, a legendary
harp, an ancient order of monks, and English thieves whom she writes
rather heavy on the thieves cant. Some people bounce of the dialects
used. I like it.


>
>I remember liking MIDNIGHT IS A PLACE, but don't remember much about it now.


Dickensian. Factories, abused children, mucking around in sewers to
find things to sell so one can live, IIRC.


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Kurt Busiek

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On 2011-05-07 14:03:52 -0700, Elaine T <eftho...@yahoo.com> said:

> On Fri, 6 May 2011 17:49:23 -0700, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2011-05-06 16:56:40 -0700, "Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> said:
>>
>>> On Fri, 6 May 2011 12:17:45 -0700, Kurt Busiek
>>> <ku...@busiek.com> wrote in <news:iq1hgq$h5t$1...@dont-email.me>
>>> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>>>

>>>> You should fix that last bit. Start with BLACK HEARTS IN
>>>> BATTERSEA or ARABEL'S RAVEN.
>>>
>>> I'd read _The Whispering Mountain_ before _Black Hearts in
>>> Battersea_.
>>
>> I've never read that one.
>
> It is tangentially related to the _Blackhearts In Battersea_ setting.
> One or more of the sequels which I didn't like as well sent Dido to
> sea with a Welsh sea captain. _The Whispering Mountain_ features his
> son who is living with grandad in Wales. And a villainous marquis,
> dwarf camels, IIRC, that live in caves, a lost tribe, a legendary
> harp, an ancient order of monks, and English thieves whom she writes
> rather heavy on the thieves cant. Some people bounce of the dialects
> used. I like it.

I like her dialect writing, too. Croopus, maybe I'll have to look it up.

>> I remember liking MIDNIGHT IS A PLACE, but don't remember much about it now.
>
> Dickensian. Factories, abused children, mucking around in sewers to
> find things to sell so one can live, IIRC.

Also set in the world of the Wolves Chronicles, to boot, though very
tangentially.

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