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Joseph Nebus  
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 More options Aug 6 2012, 11:45 pm
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From: nebu...@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 03:45:49 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Mon, Aug 6 2012 11:45 pm
Subject: By not looking all the places he wasn't, I presume

        In the October 4, 1939 installment of The Fred Allen Show,
the Mighty Allen Art Players did a sketch about How Stanley Found
Livingston.  

(Available at http://archive.org/details/Fred_Allen_Show with the
title you might expect.)

        How *did* Stanley find Livingston?  I mean, Africa's kind of a
biggish place.  Fred Allen plotted the sketch as a string of incidents
of Stanley (played by Allen) asking the locals if they'd seen another
white guy, and that seems like a viable enough strategy, except that
I'd expect the number of alternative possible paths would get so big
so fast that ... well, why didn't Stanley end up more lost than
Livingston?  

        I'm aware that Livingston had no idea he was lost.  

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Joseph Nebus  
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 More options Aug 6 2012, 11:48 pm
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From: nebu...@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 03:48:42 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Mon, Aug 6 2012 11:48 pm
Subject: Re: By not looking all the places he wasn't, I presume
In <jvq31d$qi...@reader1.panix.com> nebu...@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) writes:

>        In the October 4, 1939 installment of The Fred Allen Show,
>the Mighty Allen Art Players did a sketch about How Stanley Found
>Livingston.  

        Sorry, that went to the wrong newsgroup, although I suppose
it'll set off my most interesting thread of the year this way.  

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Ted Nolan <tednolan>  
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 More options Aug 6 2012, 11:49 pm
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From: t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
Date: 7 Aug 2012 03:49:28 GMT
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Subject: Re: By not looking all the places he wasn't, I presume
In article <jvq36q$1i...@reader1.panix.com>,

Joseph Nebus <nebu...@-rpi-.edu> wrote:
>In <jvq31d$qi...@reader1.panix.com> nebu...@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) writes:

>>        In the October 4, 1939 installment of The Fred Allen Show,
>>the Mighty Allen Art Players did a sketch about How Stanley Found
>>Livingston.  

>        Sorry, that went to the wrong newsgroup, although I suppose
>it'll set off my most interesting thread of the year this way.  

You presume.
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Robert Carnegie  
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 More options Aug 7 2012, 9:03 am
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From: Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:03:33 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Aug 7 2012 9:03 am
Subject: Re: By not looking all the places he wasn't, I presume
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Livingstone> says he was writing home
but only one batch of letters got through.  I suppose /he/ knew where he was.
By the way, I don't know whether "Livingston" is an acceptable variation;
it appears once in the Wikipedia page, and may or may not be a mistake.
"Living stone" may be a reference to something that Jesus said, although
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livingston_Village> apparently is due to
a Norse-sounding Levingi family in the 12th century.

I suppose that "Which way to the white missionary?" must have been the approach,
plus any evidence previously provided by Livingstone.


 
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Brian M. Scott  
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 More options Aug 7 2012, 9:22 am
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From: "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@csuohio.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:22:54 -0400
Local: Tues, Aug 7 2012 9:22 am
Subject: Re: By not looking all the places he wasn't, I presume
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:03:33 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
<rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote in
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in rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livingston_Village>
> apparently is due to a Norse-sounding Levingi family in
> the 12th century.

No, <Villa Levingi> is 'Leving's town'.  <Leving> is a
masculine name from Old English <Leofing> or <Lyfing>.

Brian


 
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Quadibloc  
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 More options Aug 7 2012, 2:34 pm
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From: Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca>
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:34:54 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: By not looking all the places he wasn't, I presume
On Aug 6, 9:45 pm, nebu...@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:

>         How *did* Stanley find Livingston?  I mean, Africa's kind of a
> biggish place.

True, but wasn't Stanley aware of where in Africa Livingstone was
headed?

John Savard


 
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Brenda Clough  
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 More options Aug 7 2012, 7:09 pm
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From: Brenda Clough <BrendaWri...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:09:23 -0400
Local: Tues, Aug 7 2012 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: By not looking all the places he wasn't, I presume
On 8/7/2012 2:34 PM, Quadibloc wrote:

> On Aug 6, 9:45 pm, nebu...@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:

>>          How *did* Stanley find Livingston?  I mean, Africa's kind of a
>> biggish place.

> True, but wasn't Stanley aware of where in Africa Livingstone was
> headed?

> John Savard

There is also the point that Livingston was not exactly incognito.  As
the only white man in hundreds of miles, probably all the local people
knew of him.  All Stanley would have to do is to get his guides to ask
around.

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 More options Aug 7 2012, 7:33 pm
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From: Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org>
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:33:42 -0600
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Subject: Re: By not looking all the places he wasn't, I presume

Yeah, but in a village enviromnent, "local people" means "within
twenty miles".  There are a lot of twenty-mile circles near the upper
Nile.
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 More options Aug 7 2012, 7:43 pm
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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:43:27 +1000
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Subject: Re: By not looking all the places he wasn't, I presume

"Greg Goss" <go...@gossg.org> wrote in message

news:a8dmutFa0kU1@mid.individual.net...

I doubt it. Bet the story about something as unusual as that
spread a hell of a lot more quickly than over just that area.

> There are a lot of twenty-mile circles near the upper Nile.

But I bet the word got around even quicker than he did.

 
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Larry Headlund  
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 More options Aug 8 2012, 1:33 pm
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From: Larry Headlund <l...@world.std.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 10:33:36 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Aug 8 2012 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: By not looking all the places he wasn't, I presume

Stanley himself wrote "How I Found Livingstone (http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/5157) which will get details, with some of the details in doubt.

The short answer is the outside world had some idea where he might be (Ujiji but couldn't just ring him up for confirmation.


 
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