Finally, NASA gets to the important stuff
Anton Sherwood
> > . . . I guess our
> >hypothetical zero G couple would either have to take up Tantra, or
> >snuggle in a stretchy sleeping bag...
Klyfix wrote:
> I recall in a book on space colonies (by O'Neil himself, I think) suggesting
> essentially undies with four leg holes to keep the bodies together.
Hm. I'm sure I saw something similar in a catalog,
back in ~1978 when I met someone who was working on a latex tarot.
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Klyfix
writes:
>
>> Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> writes:
>> > . . . I guess our
>> >hypothetical zero G couple would either have to take up Tantra, or
>> >snuggle in a stretchy sleeping bag...
>
>Klyfix wrote:
>> I recall in a book on space colonies (by O'Neil himself, I think)
>suggesting
>> essentially undies with four leg holes to keep the bodies together.
>
>Hm. I'm sure I saw something similar in a catalog,
>back in ~1978 when I met someone who was working on a latex tarot.
>
Umm, a latex Tarot?
What, we ask with a certain amount of trepidation, is a Latex Tarot?
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Anton Sherwood
> >> I recall in a book on space colonies (by O'Neil himself, I think)
> >> suggesting essentially undies with four leg holes to keep the bodies
> >> together.
> Anton Sherwood <bro...@pobox.com> writes:
> >Hm. I'm sure I saw something similar in a catalog,
> >back in ~1978 when I met someone who was working on a latex tarot.
Klyfix wrote:
> Umm, a latex Tarot?
> What, we ask with a certain amount of trepidation, is a Latex Tarot?
Thought you'd never ask. A tarot deck with illustrations in a fetish
theme, namely bondage gear made of black latex. The guy had catalogs of
the stuff, and his sketches consisted of collages of photographs cut
from the catalogs; I don't know whether he intended to redraw them or
what.
Klyfix
writes:
>
Oh my. Hmm, well, the world is a varied place with all manner of
differing tastes, I suppose.
Suddenly had a wierd vision of a Pokemon Tarot...
Captain Button
kly...@aol.comedy (Klyfix) wrote:
>Suddenly had a wierd vision of a Pokemon Tarot...
or the Silicon Valley Tarot?
ObSF: Peirs Anthony's Cluster series, of course. What the related Tarot
series any good? Never got around to reading it.
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wittgenste...@mail.utexas.edu.invalid
[weird tarot decks]
> Suddenly had a wierd vision of a Pokemon Tarot...
Well, I once designed a Paul Delvaux Tarot deck (1). It probably being a major
copyright violation, I only ever made the one copy, which is strictly for
personal use, but it was a very interesting exercise--trying to find paintings
that matched a particular theme [easy for the Tower, incredibly hard for
Justice; of course, it's a major-only deck]. Now if I could only find enough
material to do an Yves Tanguy deck (2).
Um, actually, this was the digression [hey, I usually do that at the end :-)].
Anyway, what I was curious about, are there any tarot decks out there that
have been specifically inspired by SF? I'm sure a Pern(tm) or a LOTR tarot
deck would be very interesting.
(1) For the benefit of the two folks who said "huh?" up there [r.a.sf.w is a
very cultured crowd, so everybody else already knew, right? ;-)], Paul Delvaux
was an, alas, lesser known Belgian surrealist painter. Like his better known
colleague René Magritte, he uses the trick of juxtaposing familiar objects in
unfamiliar combinations to achieve a dream-like effect. His repertoire of
familiar objects tends to be more limited, mostly to classical, gothic, and
19th-century steel-and-glass architecture, steam locomotives and railways,
skeletons, nude people with introverted expressions, and middle-aged,
conservative-looking scholars and scientists engrossed in various specimens.
It has been said of the people in his paintings that the skeletons are the
ones that look most alive [not disparagingly, I should perhaps add; it's
actually quite a fascinating effect].
(2) For the benefit of the same two people, Yves Tanguy was a French emigré
American surrealist painter who painted large alien landscapes populated with
organic-looking shapes. I highly recommend his paintings to get into a
not-of-this-earth mood. Unfortunately, samples of his work are rather hard to
find these days. He didn't live as long as Delvaux (who was almost 100 when he
died) so he didn't have the benefit of sheer volume to make his paintings
better known.
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Andrew Plotkin
> In article <20000529054836...@nso-fk.aol.com>,
> kly...@aol.comedy (Klyfix) wrote:
>
>>Suddenly had a wierd vision of a Pokemon Tarot...
>
>
> http://www.svtarot.com/
>
> ObSF: Peirs Anthony's Cluster series, of course. What the related Tarot
> series any good? Never got around to reading it.
I liked it at the time. I haven't had the nerve to re-read it. (Which is
different from most of his work -- I *know* I won't enjoy re-reading _Ogre
Ogre_ or something.)
--Z
"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the
borogoves..."
Briar Rose
>Anyway, what I was curious about, are there any tarot decks out there that
>have been specifically inspired by SF? I'm sure a Pern(tm) or a LOTR tarot
>deck would be very interesting.
Well, if you'd count an LOTR deck, then you can probably count the
Vertigo deck published by DC comics. It's based on the characters
in their Vertigo line, which at the time included _Sandman_ and,
er, darniforgettheothers.
:) Connie-Lynne
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> Um, actually, this was the digression [hey, I usually do that at the
> decks out there that have been specifically inspired by SF? I'm sure
> a Pern(tm) or a LOTR tarot deck would be very interesting.
There is a Lord of the Rings tarot; I have a copy here, published by
U.S. Game Systems, Inc, "developed by Terry Donaldson, artwork by
Peter Pracownik, game by Mike Fitzgerald" (yes, it comes with rules
for a Crazy-Eights-based game that makes use of the fact that the
cards are themed Good and Evil).
The artwork is passable enough, though of course it suffers from the
"I never imagined the characters like _that_" syndrome; the blurbs at
the bottom of the cards could have done with being actual quotes from
the book rather than bland stuff like "The Nine Riders know nothing
except the will of their Dark Lord" (Nine of Swords) and "Théoden
concentrates all his pwoer and charges the Orc Army" (The Chariot).
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Anton Sherwood
> Someone (Bruce Pelz, I think?) did a _Fantasy Showcase Tarot_ in which
> each separate card was done by a different fantasy illustrator. . . .
Yes, Bruce Pelz.
I long ago lost the booklet from mine, dammit.
David Goldfarb
Briar Rose <cly...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
><wittgenste...@mail.utexas.edu.invalid> wrote:
>>Anyway, what I was curious about, are there any tarot decks out there that
>>have been specifically inspired by SF? I'm sure a Pern(tm) or a LOTR tarot
>>deck would be very interesting.
>
>Vertigo deck published by DC comics. It's based on the characters
>in their Vertigo line, which at the time included _Sandman_ and,
>er, darniforgettheothers.
Also _Swamp Thing_, _Animal Man_, _John Constantine, Hellblazer_,
_The Enigma_, etc. Dave McKean did the whole deck; the comics characters
were the Major Arcana, the Minor Arcana he did on his own.
There actually is a _Lord of the Rings_ tarot, though I don't own a copy.
Someone (Bruce Pelz, I think?) did a _Fantasy Showcase Tarot_ in which
each separate card was done by a different fantasy illustrator. It was
sort of an extended deck, with four "Lady" cards to provide a female
equivalent of the "Knights", and with two new Major Arcana.
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Steve Taylor
> (2) For the benefit of the same two people, Yves Tanguy was a French emigré
> American surrealist painter who painted large alien landscapes populated with
> organic-looking shapes.
...and who also inspired many of the SF covers of a certain era (50s?
60? - there were a lot of blobby covers on the secondhand shelves while
I was growing up). I was glad to see the blobbys reappearing on the
cover of my NESFA Kornbluth(?) short stories.
> Jan A. E. Six
Steve
Exercise: Postulate a world in which SF covers of the sixties had been
clumsily ripped offf De Chirico rather than Tanguy. How would society
differ? Would astronauts still have taken Tang to the moon?
Steve Taylor
>> Umm, a latex Tarot?
>> What, we ask with a certain amount of trepidation, is a Latex Tarot?
> Thought you'd never ask. A tarot deck with illustrations in a fetish
> theme, namely bondage gear made of black latex.
Urky. I'd assumed someone was setting up some Tarot cards using the
LaTeX typesetting system.
> Anton Sherwood
Steve
Nancy Lebovitz
<wittgenste...@mail.utexas.edu.invalid> wrote:
>In article <20000529054836...@nso-fk.aol.com>, kly...@aol.comedy (Klyfix) wrote:
>
>
>> Suddenly had a wierd vision of a Pokemon Tarot...
>
>have been specifically inspired by SF? I'm sure a Pern(tm) or a LOTR tarot
>deck would be very interesting.
>
the Major Arcana for an Objectivist tarot. It was never drawn or marketed,
but some of the cards worked out very nicely.
The Fool: Howard Roark at the beginning of _The Fountainhead_.
The Priestess: Ayn Rand
The Magician: John Galt
The Chariot: The locomotive that makes the cross-country run in
_Atlas Shrugged_
The Devil: Ellsworth Toohey, with Peter and Catherine chained--that
one was my favorite
The rest could probably be recreated if anyone cares.
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wittgenste...@mail.utexas.edu.invalid wrote:
>(1) For the benefit of the two folks who said "huh?" up there [r.a.sf.w is a
>very cultured crowd, so everybody else already knew, right? ;-)], Paul Delvaux
>was an, alas, lesser known Belgian surrealist painter.
>
>(2) For the benefit of the same two people, Yves Tanguy was a French emigré
>American surrealist painter who painted large alien landscapes populated with
>organic-looking shapes.
Thank you. I wonder who the other person is.
Sebastian F. Mix
Well, there's a Hello Kitty Tarot...
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>Um, actually, this was the digression [hey, I usually do that at the end :-)].
>Anyway, what I was curious about, are there any tarot decks out there that
>have been specifically inspired by SF? I'm sure a Pern(tm) or a LOTR tarot
>deck would be very interesting.
I've got a copy of an "Alice in Wonderland" Tarot, with suits of Hats,
Flamingos, Oysters, and Peppermills, and pictures based very nicely on
the classic "Alice" illustrations. It's fun.
--
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John Scott
> wittgenste...@mail.utexas.edu.invalid wrote:
>
> >Um, actually, this was the digression [hey, I usually do that at the end
> >:-)].
> >Anyway, what I was curious about, are there any tarot decks out there that
> >have been specifically inspired by SF? I'm sure a Pern(tm) or a LOTR tarot
> >deck would be very interesting.
There's an Amber Tarot which I've only seen available from a shop in
Paris - it's published by Jeux Descartes and is very pretty.
I can't comment on its suitability as a tarot deck for reading.
John
Danny Sichel
>>(1) For the benefit of the two folks who said "huh?" up there [r.a.sf.w is a
>>very cultured crowd, so everybody else already knew, right? ;-)], Paul Delvaux
>>was an, alas, lesser known Belgian surrealist painter.
> >(2) For the benefit of the same two people, Yves Tanguy was a French emigré
> >American surrealist painter who painted large alien landscapes populated with
> >organic-looking shapes.
> Thank you. I wonder who the other person is.
*raises hand*
Tanguy was magnificent, but I'd never heard of Delvaux.
William December Starr
kly...@aol.comedy (Klyfix) said:
>> Hm. I'm sure I saw something similar in a catalog,
>> back in ~1978 when I met someone who was working on a latex tarot.
>> [Anton Sherwood]
>
> Umm, a latex Tarot?
>
> What, we ask with a certain amount of trepidation, is a Latex Tarot?
I dunno, but it's gotta be better than a latex trout, which is how I
originally read that...
-- William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
Maurice Walshe
>> wittgenste...@mail.utexas.edu.invalid wrote:
>> >Um, actually, this was the digression [hey, I usually do that at the end
>> >:-)].
>> >Anyway, what I was curious about, are there any tarot decks out there that
>> >have been specifically inspired by SF? I'm sure a Pern(tm) or a LOTR tarot
>> >deck would be very interesting.
>There's an Amber Tarot which I've only seen available from a shop in
>Paris - it's published by Jeux Descartes and is very pretty.
Ohhhh I want that!
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In article <8h3521$1gd$1...@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>, Maurice Walshe
<maurice...@bt.com> wrote:
<snip Amber Tarot>
Pictures and review at
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/ambermagnin/index.html
John
David Given
but...@io.com (Captain Button) writes:
> In article <20000529054836...@nso-fk.aol.com>,
> kly...@aol.comedy (Klyfix) wrote:
>
>>Suddenly had a wierd vision of a Pokemon Tarot...
Run away! Run away!
[...]
> ObSF: Peirs Anthony's Cluster series, of course. What the related Tarot
> series any good? Never got around to reading it.
It's... odd. It's possibly his most ambitious work, and certainly contains
some of his best writing (Paul's university years are breathtakingly
un-Anthonyish) but I don't think he was up to doing what he was trying to
do, and the result misses the mark somewhat.
I would like to see a set of Cluster Tarot cards, though. They sound
interesting.
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Andrew Plotkin
> In article <B558147A...@pm3-1-user-30.cvl.hom.net>,
> but...@io.com (Captain Button) writes:
>> ObSF: Peirs Anthony's Cluster series, of course. What the related Tarot
>> series any good? Never got around to reading it.
>
> It's... odd. It's possibly his most ambitious work, and certainly contains
> some of his best writing (Paul's university years are breathtakingly
> un-Anthonyish) but I don't think he was up to doing what he was trying to
> do, and the result misses the mark somewhat.
>
> I would like to see a set of Cluster Tarot cards, though. They sound
> interesting.
Ditto. I liked a lot of his ideas. Particularly the business about putting
the major arcana in reverse order -- for some reason, that's always stuck
with me as the "right" interpretation of Tarot symbolism.
Demian Phillips
>In article <8gu7i1$kje$1...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
> <wittgenste...@mail.utexas.edu.invalid> wrote:
>>In article <20000529054836...@nso-fk.aol.com>, kly...@aol.comedy (Klyfix) wrote:
>>
>>[weird tarot decks]
>>
>>> Suddenly had a wierd vision of a Pokemon Tarot...
>>
>>Um, actually, this was the digression [hey, I usually do that at the end :-)].
>>Anyway, what I was curious about, are there any tarot decks out there that
>>have been specifically inspired by SF? I'm sure a Pern(tm) or a LOTR tarot
>>deck would be very interesting.
>>
>A little bit off from your question, but some friends and I worked out
>the Major Arcana for an Objectivist tarot. It was never drawn or marketed,
>but some of the cards worked out very nicely.
>
>The Fool: Howard Roark at the beginning of _The Fountainhead_.
>The Priestess: Ayn Rand
>The Magician: John Galt
>The Chariot: The locomotive that makes the cross-country run in
> _Atlas Shrugged_
>The Devil: Ellsworth Toohey, with Peter and Catherine chained--that
> one was my favorite
>
>The rest could probably be recreated if anyone cares.
I have some old fandom stuff i can dig up there was a SF tarot made.
My wife was given a hello kitty tarot deck for her birthday.
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Anton Sherwood
counted on one hand, I heard someone say that if you add up all the
numbers mentioned in a chapter the sum represents a card (dunno how),
and the chapter-cards for each volume form a reading, and if you somehow
assemble all these readings you get (a) the three-dimensional Pattern
and (b) who kills Corwin.
Ya sure. Be that as it may, there are clues to which member of the
family belongs on which card. In particular, four of the brothers
(including Eric) are described as bearded, and they can reasonably be
assigned to the Kings. I bring this up because the deck cited below has
a different assignment.
Also, somewhere in "Hand" iirc there's a mysterious message, or an
object appears in an unexpected place, and Corwin asks Random who the
"postman" might be; in the annotations to the Ryder/Waite deck one of
the Pages is said to represent a postman -- and iirc there's some other
reason to match that prince to that card.
John Scott wrote:
> <snip Amber Tarot>
> Pictures and review at
> http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/ambermagnin/index.html
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Klyfix
Starr) writes:
>
>In article <20000528154116...@nso-bh.aol.com>,
>kly...@aol.comedy (Klyfix) said:
>
>>> Hm. I'm sure I saw something similar in a catalog,
>>> back in ~1978 when I met someone who was working on a latex tarot.
>>> [Anton Sherwood]
>>
>> Umm, a latex Tarot?
>>
>> What, we ask with a certain amount of trepidation, is a Latex Tarot?
>
>I dunno, but it's gotta be better than a latex trout, which is how I
>originally read that...
>
Wait, I _have_ one of those....
(okay, actually a red plastic fish that you can mail stuff in, but it
looks like a trout)
Steve Taylor
> There's an Amber Tarot which I've only seen available from a shop in
> Paris - it's published by Jeux Descartes and is very pretty.
>
> I can't comment on its suitability as a tarot deck for reading.
More importantly - does it work the way the decks do in the Amber books?
Sure could use some of those magic powers...
> John
Steve
Joe Mason
>I have some old fandom stuff i can dig up there was a SF tarot made.
>My wife was given a hello kitty tarot deck for her birthday.
<obvious> Anyone ever actually make a Dune Tarot? </obvious>
Joe
TLambs1138
Ring deck (saw one in a store, temporarily lacking in funds, you know the
story). If only those U.S. Games decks didn't have that HORRIBLE funky smell
when you unwrapped them..
Jean Lamb, tlamb...@cs.com
Now working 40+ hours a week to finance my daughter's college career...but it's
still cool.
David Given
John Scott <j.f....@brighton.ac.uk> writes:
[...]
> <snip Amber Tarot>
I have a copy of _The Illustrated Roger Zelazny_. It's a paperback sized
book consisting of abridged versions of a number of his stories, plus
rather good black and white illustrations by an artist whose name I don't
recall. (There's a specially-written comic-book form Jack of Shadows
story, too.)
There's also a colour section. Part of this consists of a section on
Amber, including portraits of all the major characters, arranged as if on
cards. The artist has done a really good job here; all the characters look
as they are described in the books, they're in the right poses, wearing
the right costumes, and generally fit. They remain the definitive visual
portrayal of the royal family of Amber, to me.
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Ross Presser
Plotkin).wrote.posted.offered:
>Ditto. I liked a lot of his ideas. Particularly the business about
>putting the major arcana in reverse order -- for some reason, that's
>always stuck with me as the "right" interpretation of Tarot
>symbolism.
>
Perhaps the Illuminatus! trilogy had a direct or occult influence on
you. :)
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Andrew Plotkin
> alt.distingui...@eblong.com (Andrew
> Plotkin).wrote.posted.offered:
>
>>Ditto. I liked a lot of his ideas. Particularly the business about
>>putting the major arcana in reverse order -- for some reason, that's
>>always stuck with me as the "right" interpretation of Tarot
>>symbolism.
>>
>
> Perhaps the Illuminatus! trilogy had a direct or occult influence on
> you. :)
Did it mention the same gimmick? I don't remember.
I did read the Illuminatus books, and at very roughly the same time.
Demian Phillips
Dunno.
All I remember is it was called "The Science Fiction Tarot"
I'll have to go through all the old fandom stuff and dig it up..
Ross Presser
Plotkin).wrote.posted.offered:
>Ross Presser <rpre...@nospamimtek.com.invalid> wrote:
>> alt.distingui...@eblong.com (Andrew
>> Plotkin).wrote.posted.offered:
>>
>>>Ditto. I liked a lot of his ideas. Particularly the business about
>>>putting the major arcana in reverse order -- for some reason, that's
>>>always stuck with me as the "right" interpretation of Tarot
>>>symbolism.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps the Illuminatus! trilogy had a direct or occult influence on
>> you. :)
>
>Did it mention the same gimmick? I don't remember.
>
>I did read the Illuminatus books, and at very roughly the same time.
<paraphrase>
Towards the end of the third book, Mama Sutra explains the Tarot to (I
think) George Dorn as "The book of the world", and how the Illuminati
got it backwards. The Fool (trump 0) represents freeing your mind,
whereas The World (trump 21) represents all the garbage that the world
dumps on you. You're "supposed" to progress from The World to The
Fool, not the other way around.
</paraphrase>
>--Z
>
>"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the
>borogoves..."
>
Andrew Plotkin
> alt.distingui...@eblong.com (Andrew
> Plotkin).wrote.posted.offered:
>
>>Ross Presser <rpre...@nospamimtek.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> alt.distingui...@eblong.com (Andrew
>>> Plotkin).wrote.posted.offered:
>>>
>>>>Ditto. I liked a lot of his ideas. Particularly the business about
>>>>putting the major arcana in reverse order -- for some reason, that's
>>>>always stuck with me as the "right" interpretation of Tarot
>>>>symbolism.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps the Illuminatus! trilogy had a direct or occult influence on
>>> you. :)
>>
>>Did it mention the same gimmick? I don't remember.
>>
>>I did read the Illuminatus books, and at very roughly the same time.
>
> <paraphrase>
> Towards the end of the third book, Mama Sutra explains the Tarot to (I
> think) George Dorn as "The book of the world", and how the Illuminati
> got it backwards. The Fool (trump 0) represents freeing your mind,
> whereas The World (trump 21) represents all the garbage that the world
> dumps on you. You're "supposed" to progress from The World to The
> Fool, not the other way around.
> </paraphrase>
(Of course, the Fool also represents simple ignorance, not even filled
with garbage yet. It's at both ends.)
Yes, that's the idea I'm thinking of. Maybe I've been misattributing it in
my head all this time.
I know Anthony was pushing for a five-suit deck with 30 trumps instead of
22. That I can take or leave.
Captain Button
>jcm...@uwaterloo.ca (Joe Mason) wrote:
>
>>Demian Phillips <dem...@cmhcsys.com> wrote:
>>>I have some old fandom stuff i can dig up there was a SF tarot made.
>>>My wife was given a hello kitty tarot deck for her birthday.
>>
>><obvious> Anyone ever actually make a Dune Tarot? </obvious>
IIRC, _The Dune Encyclopedia_ has an article about the Dune Tarot,
including black and white drawings and descriptions of some but not all of
the cards.
Other Tarot in SF:
I think there are "Caroc" cards on DiscWorld, and IIRC, one of the
stories in the first _Thieve's World_ anthology had what the author
described as a "not-gypsy using not-tarot cards".
--
Captain Button - but...@io.com
"The trick is to take control of your _Own_ life while resisting the
temptation to then take control of *Other* people's lives." - Me
Nancy Lebovitz
Captain Button <but...@io.com> wrote:
>
>Other Tarot in SF:
>
>I think there are "Caroc" cards on DiscWorld, and IIRC, one of the
>stories in the first _Thieve's World_ anthology had what the author
>described as a "not-gypsy using not-tarot cards".
>
Jane Yolen's _Cards of Grief_.
Greer Iline Gilman's _Moonwise_.
A novel or two by Lynn Abbey whose titles I can't remember.
Andrew Plotkin
> In article <B55CE8929...@pm3-2-user-21.cvl.hom.net>,
> Captain Button <but...@io.com> wrote:
>>
>>Other Tarot in SF:
>>
>>I think there are "Caroc" cards on DiscWorld, and IIRC, one of the
>>stories in the first _Thieve's World_ anthology had what the author
>>described as a "not-gypsy using not-tarot cards".
>>
> Other sf with mythic/symbolic decks of cards:
>
> Jane Yolen's _Cards of Grief_.
> Greer Iline Gilman's _Moonwise_.
> A novel or two by Lynn Abbey whose titles I can't remember.
_Little, Big_...
_Last Call_, surely someone has already mentioned.
Is it a bad sign when my reaction to this question is to pull up my
freshly-minted personal library index and start looking through all 1500
titles?
Did _Bone Dance_ have Tarot, or am I remembering something else?
--Z (Inside Macintosh: Files! No, wait, those were AliasRecords, not Tarot
cards.)
Ron Henry
>In article <B55CE8929...@pm3-2-user-21.cvl.hom.net>,
>Captain Button <but...@io.com> wrote:
>>
>>Other Tarot in SF:
>>
>>I think there are "Caroc" cards on DiscWorld, and IIRC, one of the
>>stories in the first _Thieve's World_ anthology had what the author
>>described as a "not-gypsy using not-tarot cards".
>>
>Other sf with mythic/symbolic decks of cards:
>
>Jane Yolen's _Cards of Grief_.
>Greer Iline Gilman's _Moonwise_.
>A novel or two by Lynn Abbey whose titles I can't remember.
There is a tarot reading given in Delany's _Nova_; it's probably done with a
standard deck, however.
--
Ron Henry ronh...@clarityconnect.com
http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/
Damien Neil
>Did _Bone Dance_ have Tarot, or am I remembering something else?
_Bone Dance_ had loa; similar in feel, but not Tarot.
- Damien
Nancy Lebovitz
Ron Henry <ronh...@clarityconnect.com> wrote:
>Consulting the stars, na...@unix3.netaxs.com (Nancy Lebovitz) prophesied:
>>In article <B55CE8929...@pm3-2-user-21.cvl.hom.net>,
>>Captain Button <but...@io.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Other Tarot in SF:
>>>
>>>I think there are "Caroc" cards on DiscWorld, and IIRC, one of the
>>>stories in the first _Thieve's World_ anthology had what the author
>>>described as a "not-gypsy using not-tarot cards".
>>>
>>Other sf with mythic/symbolic decks of cards:
>>
>>Jane Yolen's _Cards of Grief_.
>>Greer Iline Gilman's _Moonwise_.
>>A novel or two by Lynn Abbey whose titles I can't remember.
>
>There is a tarot reading given in Delany's _Nova_; it's probably done with a
>standard deck, however.
I'm pretty sure that you're right--it was a standard deck with hologram
images. The book also mentioned that the only people who doubted the
Tarot were those from cultural backwaters.
Nancy Lebovitz
I did *not*. I read the cards.
>>>In article <B55CE8929...@pm3-2-user-21.cvl.hom.net>,
>>>Captain Button <but...@io.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Other Tarot in SF:
>>>>
>>>>I think there are "Caroc" cards on DiscWorld, and IIRC, one of the
>>>>stories in the first _Thieve's World_ anthology had what the author
>>>>described as a "not-gypsy using not-tarot cards".
>>>>
>>>Other sf with mythic/symbolic decks of cards:
>>>
>>>Jane Yolen's _Cards of Grief_.
>>>Greer Iline Gilman's _Moonwise_.
>>>A novel or two by Lynn Abbey whose titles I can't remember.
>>
IIRC, there's Tarot reading in Doris Egan's _The Gate of Ivory_.
Joe Mason
>>There is a tarot reading given in Delany's _Nova_; it's probably done with a
>>standard deck, however.
>
>I'm pretty sure that you're right--it was a standard deck with hologram
>images. The book also mentioned that the only people who doubted the
>Tarot were those from cultural backwaters.
There's a beautiful Tarot reading in the _Eye of Argon_ MSTing. I'm not sure
if it counts as using a standard deck or not.
"Thirteen Deaths! Thirteen Deaths..."
Joe
Paul Andinach
> In article <8h2q3h$81s$1...@panix6.panix.com>, wds...@panix.com
> (William December Starr) writes:
> > I dunno, but it's gotta be better than a latex trout, which is how
> > I originally read that...
>
> Wait, I _have_ one of those....
Are you sure it's not a rubber mullet?
Paul
--
The Pink Pedanther
David Goldfarb
The chapters in _Bone Dance_ were named after Tarot cards and the
novel was structured as a Celtic Cross reading. ("This covers you,
this crosses you, this is before you, this is behind you," usw.)
--
David Goldfarb <*>|"To the general public "calories" are not units
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu |of measurement but evil creatures that live in
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu |tasty food and make people fat."
aste...@slip.net | -- Bill Jennings on rec.arts.comics.misc
Ron Henry
>Ron Henry <ronh...@clarityconnect.com> wrote:
>>There is a tarot reading given in Delany's _Nova_; it's probably done with a
>>standard deck, however.
>
>I'm pretty sure that you're right--it was a standard deck with hologram
>images. The book also mentioned that the only people who doubted the
>Tarot were those from cultural backwaters.
Yeah, that was one of the neat parts about the reading, how the characters all
saw the Tarot reading as a valid form of counseling/advice, as (I'm heavily
paraphrasing here, sorry) a set of archetypical images which, when juxtaposed
in various combinations, that would allow the advisee's subconscious to make
sense out of life situations with no clear-cut answers. There was that
cultural tension between Mouse (who saw the cards having supernatural or
divinatation powers) and the rest of the crew, who saw them matter-of-factly
as a psychological tool with no metaphysical overtones. Nice moment.
Ron
John Scott
<absu...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that they're Onion themed though aren't they, or
> is it just that they're used to play "cripple mr Onion".
>
> Now where did I see the rules for that game. Captain, do you
> know
http://www.lspace.org/ have links to it - the rules are at
http://jump.to/cmo
John
Michael Caldwell
>IIRC, _The Dune Encyclopedia_ has an article about the Dune Tarot,
>including black and white drawings and descriptions of some but not all of
>the cards.
>Other Tarot in SF:
>I think there are "Caroc" cards on DiscWorld, and IIRC,
I'm pretty sure that they're Onion themed though aren't they, or
is it just that they're used to play "cripple mr Onion".
Now where did I see the rules for that game. Captain, do you
know?
--
Paul Andinach
> Captain Button wrote in message ...
> > I think there are "Caroc" cards on DiscWorld,
>
> I'm pretty sure that they're Onion themed though aren't they, or
> is it just that they're used to play "cripple mr Onion".
I think it's just that they're used to play games with sometimes.
Caroc cards are something similar to tarot, although with different
major arcana (I can't remember any offhand except "The Patrician".)
> Now where did I see the rules for that game.
Michael Straight
> _Little, Big_...
Little, Big and _The Deep_ both feature Tarot decks with a
non-standard number of cards (only 52 cards total).
SMTIRCAHIAGEHLT
Dwight Thieme
: >>>Jane Yolen's _Cards of Grief_.
: >>>Greer Iline Gilman's _Moonwise_.
: >>>A novel or two by Lynn Abbey whose titles I can't remember.
: >>
: IIRC, there's Tarot reading in Doris Egan's _The Gate of Ivory_.
Foster's, "The Day of the Klesh", treated very matter-of-factly.
Not divination per se, but accurate nonetheless.
Ike
Kirk Is
> Oh my. Hmm, well, the world is a varied place with all manner of
> differing tastes, I suppose.
> Suddenly had a wierd vision of a Pokemon Tarot...
Well, not quite a Tarot, but
http://www.e-sheep.com/
has Apocamon: The Apocadex
with all the beasts listed in Revelation described a la Pokemon monster
cards. Very well done.
--
Kirk Israel [spamblock in effect, use ki...@alienbill.com]
DEALING WITH MORTALITY: A Skeptic's Guide - http://kisrael.com/mortal/
Anton Sherwood
> I know Anthony was pushing for a five-suit deck with 30 trumps
> instead of 22. That I can take or leave.
I seem to remember reading that someone has made a deck of playing-cards
with my idea, four suits running 0 to F.
--
Anton Sherwood *\\* br0...@p0b0x.com *\\* http://ogre.nu
Klyfix
writes:
>
>Andrew Plotkin wrote:
>> I know Anthony was pushing for a five-suit deck with 30 trumps
>> instead of 22. That I can take or leave.
>
>I seem to remember reading that someone has made a deck of playing-cards
>with my idea, four suits running 0 to F.
>
That would be a hexadeckamel?
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Chris Wesling
>
> Anton Sherwood <bro...@pobox.com> writes:
> >
> > Andrew Plotkin wrote:
> > > I know Anthony was pushing for a five-suit deck with 30 trumps
> > > instead of 22. That I can take or leave.
> >
> >I seem to remember reading that someone has made a deck of playing-
A 64-card deck? That would certainly give poker a whole different
feel... Or did you mean running from 0 to C?
> That would be a hexadeckamel?
Groooooan....
Chris W.
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Anton Sherwood
> > > > I know Anthony was pushing for a five-suit deck with 30 trumps
> > > > instead of 22. That I can take or leave.
> > Anton Sherwood <bro...@pobox.com> writes:
> > >I seem to remember reading that someone has made a deck of playing-
> > >cards with my idea, four suits running 0 to F.
Chris Wesling wrote:
> A 64-card deck?
> That would certainly give poker a whole different feel...
I suppose so. Never been a poker player myself.
Used to play Oh Hell at LASFS, sometimes with five or six suites.
David Given
d...@pearl.tao.co.uk (David Given) writes:
[...]
> There's also a colour section. Part of this consists of a section on
> Amber, including portraits of all the major characters, arranged as if on
> cards. The artist has done a really good job here; all the characters look
> as they are described in the books, they're in the right poses, wearing
> the right costumes, and generally fit. They remain the definitive visual
> portrayal of the royal family of Amber, to me.
Okay, okay, I know it's late. Nevertheless, here they are:
http://wired.st-and.ac.uk/~dg/Personal/zelazny
zelazny.jpg: Corwin.
zelazny2.jpg: Assorted brothers.
zelazny3.jpg: Brand, being evil; Moire, being green.
zelazny4.jpg: Ganelon in Lorraine, and Benedict with Chaos.
zelazny5.jpg: Lintra; Benedict and Dara on the throne of Amber.
zelazny6.jpg: Random on his rock; Fiona, Flora and Llewella.
zelazny7.jpg: Eric and Corwin trying to kill each other.
zelazny8.jpg: Corwin, Flora and Deirdre (plus an unidentified Brian
Blessed clone).
zelazny10.jpg: Dworkin and his griffin, with Dara in the background. Plus
a free illustration from _A Rose for Ecclesiastes_ that was on the next
page.
The artist is Gray Morrow. I'll take the pictures down in about a week.
--
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| Play: dgi...@iname.com | much worse at it, we'd be economists." ---
+- http://wired.st-and.ac.uk/~dg -+ Stephen Dedman
Jordan S. Bassior
Gotta release em all! Apocomon!
Sincerely Yours,
Jordan
--
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"Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change"
(Tennyson)