I'm rereading Lawrence Watt-Evans's 'Crosstime Travel' collection and in this we have the story 'Storm Troopers' where the NYPD have deployed a special taskforce tasked to deal with the effects of reality storms that are dumping bits of otherness all over New York.
Flashforward a decade or so and we have Fringe the TV series that deals with very similar themes. Fringe staffers are fairly covert and part of the FBI on our side, but the parallels are obvious after the reread (and clearly Fringe has taken things further than the story).
> I'm rereading Lawrence Watt-Evans's 'Crosstime Travel' collection and
> in this we have the story 'Storm Troopers'
Correction: Storm Trooper
> where the NYPD have
> deployed a special taskforce tasked to deal with the effects of
> reality storms that are dumping bits of otherness all over New York.
> Flashforward a decade or so and we have Fringe the TV series that
> deals with very similar themes. Fringe staffers are fairly covert and
> part of the FBI on our side, but the parallels are obvious after the
> reread (and clearly Fringe has taken things further than the story).
> Accident or intent?
I believe the same basic idea was used in Pohl's The Coming of the
Quantum Cats, published several years earlier.
-- Dan Goodman
Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
>> I'm rereading Lawrence Watt-Evans's 'Crosstime Travel' collection and
>> in this we have the story 'Storm Troopers'
> Correction: Storm Trooper
>> where the NYPD have
>> deployed a special taskforce tasked to deal with the effects of
>> reality storms that are dumping bits of otherness all over New York.
>> Flashforward a decade or so and we have Fringe the TV series that
>> deals with very similar themes. Fringe staffers are fairly covert and
>> part of the FBI on our side, but the parallels are obvious after the
>> reread (and clearly Fringe has taken things further than the story).
>> Accident or intent?
> I believe the same basic idea was used in Pohl's The Coming of the
> Quantum Cats, published several years earlier.
Several? I thought it was only two or three years earlier. (Remember, _Crosstime Traffic_ wasn't the first place "Storm Trooper" appeared.)
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Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> On 2012-10-13 19:48:22 -0400, Dan Goodman said:
> > JohnFair wrote:
> > > HiGroup,
> > > I'm rereading Lawrence Watt-Evans's 'Crosstime Travel' collection
> > > and in this we have the story 'Storm Troopers'
> > Correction: Storm Trooper
> > > where the NYPD have
> > > deployed a special taskforce tasked to deal with the effects of
> > > reality storms that are dumping bits of otherness all over New
> > > York.
> > > Flashforward a decade or so and we have Fringe the TV series that
> > > deals with very similar themes. Fringe staffers are fairly covert
> > > and part of the FBI on our side, but the parallels are obvious
> > > after the reread (and clearly Fringe has taken things further
> > > than the story).
> > > Accident or intent?
> > I believe the same basic idea was used in Pohl's The Coming of the
> > Quantum Cats, published several years earlier.
> Several? I thought it was only two or three years earlier.
> (Remember, _Crosstime Traffic_ wasn't the first place "Storm Trooper"
> appeared.)
I remembered, and checked for original publication dates.
Official pubdates 1992 minus 1986: six years. Considering the way
magazines work, actually five years.
-- Dan Goodman
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On Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:48:23 AM UTC+1, Dan Goodman wrote:
> JohnFair wrote: > HiGroup, > > I'm rereading Lawrence Watt-Evans's 'Crosstime Travel' collection and > in this we have the story 'Storm Troopers' Correction: Storm Trooper
> On Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:48:23 AM UTC+1, Dan Goodman wrote:
>> JohnFair wrote: > HiGroup, > > I'm rereading Lawrence Watt-Evans's >> 'Crosstime Travel' collection and > in this we have the story 'Storm >> Troopers' Correction: Storm Trooper
> So much for checking titles with the book :-(....
I didn't bother pointing out that it's _Crosstime Traffic_, not _Crosstime Travel_.
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On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:24:26 AM UTC-6, JohnFair wrote:
> HiGroup,
> I'm rereading Lawrence Watt-Evans's 'Crosstime Travel' collection and in this we have the story 'Storm Troopers' where the NYPD have deployed a special taskforce tasked to deal with the effects of reality storms that are dumping bits of otherness all over New York.
> Flashforward a decade or so and we have Fringe the TV series that deals with very similar themes. Fringe staffers are fairly covert and part of the FBI on our side, but the parallels are obvious after the reread (and clearly Fringe has taken things further than the story).
On 2012-10-15 00:55:40 +0000, David Johnston <davidjohnston29yahoo...@gmail.com> said:
> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:24:26 AM UTC-6, JohnFair wrote:
>> HiGroup,
>> I'm rereading Lawrence Watt-Evans's 'Crosstime Travel' collection and in
>> this we have the story 'Storm Troopers' where the NYPD have deployed a
>> special taskforce tasked to deal with the effects of reality storms that are
>> dumping bits of otherness all over New York.
>> Flashforward a decade or so and we have Fringe the TV series that deals
>> with very similar themes. Fringe staffers are fairly covert and part of >> the FBI
>> on our side, but the parallels are obvious after the reread (and clearly Fringe
>> has taken things further than the story).
>> Accident or intent?
> DC's Earth One and Earth Two came first.
Don't know what that has to do with FRINGE of Lawrence's story, but Jack Finney's "The Coin Collector" came before those, and it wasn't the first, either.
Parallel universes go back at least to 1666, if not earlier.
Kurt Busiek wrote:
> On 2012-10-15 00:55:40 +0000, David Johnston
> <davidjohnston29yahoo...@gmail.com> said:
> > On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:24:26 AM UTC-6, JohnFair wrote:
> > > HiGroup,
> > > I'm rereading Lawrence Watt-Evans's 'Crosstime Travel' collection
> > > and in this we have the story 'Storm Troopers' where the NYPD
> > > have deployed a special taskforce tasked to deal with the effects
> > > of reality storms that are dumping bits of otherness all over New
> > > York.
> > > Flashforward a decade or so and we have Fringe the TV series that
> > > deals with very similar themes. Fringe staffers are fairly covert
> > > and part of the FBI on our side, but the parallels are obvious
> > > after the reread (and clearly Fringe has taken things further
> > > than the story).
> > > Accident or intent?
> > DC's Earth One and Earth Two came first.
> Don't know what that has to do with FRINGE of Lawrence's story, but
> Jack Finney's "The Coin Collector" came before those, and it wasn't
> the first, either.
> Parallel universes go back at least to 1666, if not earlier.
What's under discussion is alternate universes getting mixed up with
each other.
-- Dan Goodman
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>> On 2012-10-15 00:55:40 +0000, David Johnston
>> <davidjohnston29yahoo...@gmail.com> said:
>>> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:24:26 AM UTC-6, JohnFair wrote:
>>>> HiGroup,
>>>> I'm rereading Lawrence Watt-Evans's 'Crosstime Travel' collection
>>>> and in this we have the story 'Storm Troopers' where the NYPD
>>>> have deployed a special taskforce tasked to deal with the effects
>>>> of reality storms that are dumping bits of otherness all over New
>>>> York.
>>>> Flashforward a decade or so and we have Fringe the TV series that
>>>> deals with very similar themes. Fringe staffers are fairly covert
>>>> and part of the FBI on our side, but the parallels are obvious
>>>> after the reread (and clearly Fringe has taken things further
>>>> than the story).
>>>> Accident or intent?
>>> DC's Earth One and Earth Two came first.
>> Don't know what that has to do with FRINGE of Lawrence's story, but
>> Jack Finney's "The Coin Collector" came before those, and it wasn't
>> the first, either.
>> Parallel universes go back at least to 1666, if not earlier.
> What's under discussion is alternate universes getting mixed up with
> each other.
Oh, it is? I thought it was specialized law enforcement units for dealing with leakage between universes.
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>> On 2012-10-15 00:55:40 +0000, David Johnston
>> <davidjohnston29yahoo...@gmail.com> said:
>>> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:24:26 AM UTC-6, JohnFair wrote:
>>>> HiGroup,
>>>> I'm rereading Lawrence Watt-Evans's 'Crosstime Travel' collection
>>>> and in this we have the story 'Storm Troopers' where the NYPD
>>>> have deployed a special taskforce tasked to deal with the effects
>>>> of reality storms that are dumping bits of otherness all over New
>>>> York.
>>>> Flashforward a decade or so and we have Fringe the TV series that
>>>> deals with very similar themes. Fringe staffers are fairly covert
>>>> and part of the FBI on our side, but the parallels are obvious
>>>> after the reread (and clearly Fringe has taken things further
>>>> than the story).
>>>> Accident or intent?
>>> DC's Earth One and Earth Two came first.
>> Don't know what that has to do with FRINGE of Lawrence's story, but
>> Jack Finney's "The Coin Collector" came before those, and it wasn't
>> the first, either.
>> Parallel universes go back at least to 1666, if not earlier.
> What's under discussion is alternate universes getting mixed up with
> each other.
That didn't seem to be where the earlier discussion was going, to me. But other than people crossing back and forth and getting involved in stories, the Earth-1 Earth-2 stuff didn't have a whole lot of "getting mixed up" -- they were two distinct Earths with similarities and there were ways to go back and forth between them.
Even as far back as 1666's THE BLAZING-WORLD, there's a cross-dimensional invasion organized.
That wasn't new -- SF writers had done it before. What made it different and interesting in the case of the DC Universe was that it was used as a way to unify existing stories -- Earth-Two wasn't simply another world, but a world that was the setting for lots of previously-published stories.
I doubt that was completely new in 1961 -- there's an Edward Eager novel in which the characters glancingly meet some E. Nesbit characters, and of course THE COMPLETE ENCHANTER stories involve both travel to previously-published fictions and characters coming back to the "real" world from there. But I can't think of an earlier time it happened on such a large and sweeping scale.
Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>"Dan Goodman" <dsg...@iphouse.com> said:
>> What's under discussion is alternate universes getting mixed up with
>> each other.
>That didn't seem to be where the earlier discussion was going, to me. >But other than people crossing back and forth and getting involved in >stories, the Earth-1 Earth-2 stuff didn't have a whole lot of "getting >mixed up" -- they were two distinct Earths with similarities and there >were ways to go back and forth between them.
And, confusingly, Earth-Two was the original, 'older' one. The 'bleeding into
each other' didn't really enter the picture until Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Meanwhile, Asimov's _The Gods Themselves_ seems almost perfectly suited to
the original subject, yes?
>I doubt that was completely new in 1961 -- there's an Edward Eager >novel in which the characters glancingly meet some E. Nesbit >characters,
Seven-Day Magic. Where they keep coming in before the beginning, or after
the end, of other stories.
Dave
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On Oct 15, 3:24 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
> Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
> >"Dan Goodman" <dsg...@iphouse.com> said:
> >> What's under discussion is alternate universes getting mixed up with
> >> each other.
> >That didn't seem to be where the earlier discussion was going, to me.
> >But other than people crossing back and forth and getting involved in
> >stories, the Earth-1 Earth-2 stuff didn't have a whole lot of "getting
> >mixed up" -- they were two distinct Earths with similarities and there
> >were ways to go back and forth between them.
> And, confusingly, Earth-Two was the original, 'older' one. The 'bleeding into
> each other' didn't really enter the picture until Crisis on Infinite Earths.
While traveling between the DC Earths starts as early as "Flash of Two
Worlds", the "bleeding" can be said to have started the first time we
see that Barry (Flash of Earth-1) Allen is a fan, specifically of
FLASH COMICS and ALL-STAR COMICS. There is a mention that Earth-1's
Gardner Fox claimed the stories came to him in his dreams.
In some of the JLA/JSA teamups, ordinary people are confronted with
ghostly images of their other-Earth counterparts, Earth-2 Johnny
Thunder loses control of his Thunderbolt to his crooked Earth-1
counterpart, and attacks on JSAers result in inexplicable identical
effects on similar JLAers.
Neither the League nor the Society are regular enough police
organizations to match the Fringe Division, however.
Reading these stories as they were originally published or reprinted
in the 1960s and 1970s, I was aware that Julie Schwartz, Fox and John
Broome were cribbing from Murray Leinster, H Beam Piper and anybody
else in prose SF who used the parallel worlds conceit.
> Meanwhile, Asimov's _The Gods Themselves_ seems almost perfectly suited to
> the original subject, yes?
> >I doubt that was completely new in 1961 -- there's an Edward Eager
> >novel in which the characters glancingly meet some E. Nesbit
> >characters,
> Seven-Day Magic. Where they keep coming in before the beginning, or after
> the end, of other stories.
On 2012-10-15 19:55:10 +0000, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
> Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> I doubt that was completely new in 1961 -- there's an Edward Eager
>> novel in which the characters glancingly meet some E. Nesbit
>> characters,
> Seven-Day Magic. Where they keep coming in before the beginning, or after
> the end, of other stories.
THE TIME GARDEN was the one I was thinking of, actually. They spot the characters from THE PHOENIX AND THE CARPET while each are headed different ways through the timestream, as I recall.
In article <k5f9sd$ka...@dont-email.me>, l...@sff.net says...
> On 2012-10-14 16:00:09 -0400, JohnFair said:
> > On Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:48:23 AM UTC+1, Dan Goodman wrote:
> >> JohnFair wrote: > HiGroup, > > I'm rereading Lawrence Watt-Evans's > >> 'Crosstime Travel' collection and > in this we have the story 'Storm > >> Troopers' Correction: Storm Trooper
> > So much for checking titles with the book :-(....
> I didn't bother pointing out that it's _Crosstime Traffic_, not > _Crosstime Travel_.
On Monday, October 15, 2012 6:00:45 AM UTC+1, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> On 2012-10-14 22:47:28 -0400, Dan Goodman said:
> > Kurt Busiek wrote:
> >> Parallel universes go back at least to 1666, if not earlier.
> > What's under discussion is alternate universes getting mixed up with
> > each other.
> Oh, it is? I thought it was specialized law enforcement units for > dealing with leakage between universes.
And when did they make it illegal to be from a different universe... oh, I guess 1986 is right for the Crisis On Infinite Earths.
Until then, DC Comics had lots of characters living outside their birth universe more-or-less openly.
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:44:25 -0700, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>On 2012-10-15 19:55:10 +0000, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
>> Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>> I doubt that was completely new in 1961 -- there's an Edward Eager
>>> novel in which the characters glancingly meet some E. Nesbit
>>> characters,
>> Seven-Day Magic. Where they keep coming in before the beginning, or after
>> the end, of other stories.
>THE TIME GARDEN was the one I was thinking of, actually. They spot the >characters from THE PHOENIX AND THE CARPET while each are headed >different ways through the timestream, as I recall.
Ah right. I think they might have run into them also in 7DM? I'd have to either
dig it out and reread, or visit the library. And right now I just started a
half-of-Bujold jag...
Dave, classics declassified
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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> > >> What's under discussion is alternate universes getting mixed up with
> > >> each other.
> > >That didn't seem to be where the earlier discussion was going, to me.
> > >But other than people crossing back and forth and getting involved in
> > >stories, the Earth-1 Earth-2 stuff didn't have a whole lot of "getting
> > >mixed up" -- they were two distinct Earths with similarities and there
> > >were ways to go back and forth between them.
> > And, confusingly, Earth-Two was the original, 'older' one. The 'bleeding into
> > each other' didn't really enter the picture until Crisis on Infinite Earths.
> While traveling between the DC Earths starts as early as "Flash of Two
> Worlds", the "bleeding" can be said to have started the first time we
> see that Barry (Flash of Earth-1) Allen is a fan, specifically of
> FLASH COMICS and ALL-STAR COMICS. There is a mention that Earth-1's
> Gardner Fox claimed the stories came to him in his dreams.
> In some of the JLA/JSA teamups, ordinary people are confronted with
> ghostly images of their other-Earth counterparts, Earth-2 Johnny
> Thunder loses control of his Thunderbolt to his crooked Earth-1
> counterpart, and attacks on JSAers result in inexplicable identical
> effects on similar JLAers.
> Neither the League nor the Society are regular enough police
> organizations to match the Fringe Division, however.
> Reading these stories as they were originally published or reprinted
> in the 1960s and 1970s, I was aware that Julie Schwartz, Fox and John
> Broome were cribbing from Murray Leinster, H Beam Piper and anybody
> else in prose SF who used the parallel worlds conceit.
> > Meanwhile, Asimov's _The Gods Themselves_ seems almost perfectly suited to
> > the original subject, yes?
> > >I doubt that was completely new in 1961 -- there's an Edward Eager
> > >novel in which the characters glancingly meet some E. Nesbit
> > >characters,
> > Seven-Day Magic. Where they keep coming in before the beginning, or after
> > the end, of other stories.
> > Dave
> > --
> Kevin
What about the Black Canary storyline? I well remember the JLA issues where she moved from Earth 2 to Earth 1 after the death of Larry Lance. (Red Tornado being another immigrant). Did Canary ever meet her Earth 1 counterpart and that Larry Lance? We know of the JSA to JLA moves but was there any Earth 1 moving to Earth 2?
tphile2 <tphi...@cableone.net> wrote:
>What about the Black Canary storyline? I well remember the JLA issues where
> she moved from Earth 2 to Earth 1 after the death of Larry Lance. (Red
> Tornado being another immigrant). Did Canary ever meet her Earth 1
> counterpart and that Larry Lance? We know of the JSA to JLA moves but was
> there any Earth 1 moving to Earth 2?
Oh were it only that simple. That's what the Earth-1 Canary THOUGHT had
happened, but (and all of this is 'if I recall correctly', Kurt might correct
me at any moment) she actually turned out to be the DAUGHTER of Earth-2's
Canary and its Larry Lance. So she didn't "gain" her Canary Cry power from
crossing between the worlds, it was her own mutant power not possessed by
her Mom.
Dave, honestly, it's like a super-soap-opera sometimes
-- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:44:25 -0700, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-10-15 19:55:10 +0000, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
>>> Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>>> I doubt that was completely new in 1961 -- there's an Edward Eager
>>>> novel in which the characters glancingly meet some E. Nesbit
>>>> characters,
>>> Seven-Day Magic. Where they keep coming in before the beginning, or after
>>> the end, of other stories.
>> THE TIME GARDEN was the one I was thinking of, actually. They spot the
>> characters from THE PHOENIX AND THE CARPET while each are headed
>> different ways through the timestream, as I recall.
> Ah right. I think they might have run into them also in 7DM? I'd have to either
> dig it out and reread, or visit the library. And right now I just started a
> half-of-Bujold jag...
My daughters have run off with my copies of the books, or I'd check, but some years back I told Neil Gaiman about the "crossover," though I couldn't remember where it happened, and he was doubtful that Eager would have gotten away with the copyright issue, so I went hunting for it.
TIME GARDEN was the only literal Eager/Nesbit crossover bit I could find -- there's lots of reference to Nesbit in the other books, but if there was anything more than that I missed it. And the PHOENIX AND THE CARPET bit was accomplished by not naming anyone and having it be a very brief this; there wasn't room to build up enough detail for copyright violation to be an issue.
On 2012-10-16 13:19:06 +0000, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
> tphile2 <tphi...@cableone.net> wrote:
>> What about the Black Canary storyline? I well remember the JLA issues where
>> she moved from Earth 2 to Earth 1 after the death of Larry Lance. (Red
>> Tornado being another immigrant). Did Canary ever meet her Earth 1
>> counterpart and that Larry Lance? We know of the JSA to JLA moves but was
>> there any Earth 1 moving to Earth 2?
> Oh were it only that simple. That's what the Earth-1 Canary THOUGHT had
> happened,
For years, it was what had happened; it was retconned only a couple of years or so pre-Crisis.
> but (and all of this is 'if I recall correctly', Kurt might correct
> me at any moment) she actually turned out to be the DAUGHTER of Earth-2's
> Canary and its Larry Lance.
Partly correct. She turned out to be the mom's mind and memory magically projected into the daughter's body, the daughter having grown to adulthood in suspended animation in the Bahdnisian Thunderbolt dimension and having no real memories of her own.
> So she didn't "gain" her Canary Cry power from
> crossing between the worlds, it was her own mutant power not possessed by
> her Mom.
Not a mutant power, but the result of having been cursed as a baby by the Earth-2 villain The Wizard. Which was why she grew up in suspended animation and all.
> Dave, honestly, it's like a super-soap-opera sometimes
Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
>> Oh were it only that simple. That's what the Earth-1 Canary THOUGHT had
>> happened,
>For years, it was what had happened; it was retconned only a couple of >years or so pre-Crisis.
But after that it was what had always happened, I can't go back and unchange
things!
>> but (and all of this is 'if I recall correctly', Kurt might correct
>> me at any moment) she actually turned out to be the DAUGHTER of Earth-2's
>> Canary and its Larry Lance.
>Partly correct. She turned out to be the mom's mind and memory >magically projected into the daughter's body, the daughter having grown >to adulthood in suspended animation in the Bahdnisian Thunderbolt >dimension and having no real memories of her own.
Right, I _knew_ there was a Thunderbolt mixed up in it somewhere.
>> Dave, honestly, it's like a super-soap-opera sometimes
>Sometimes?
Sometimes it's like a game show, or one of those reality shows where they
put ten different supervillains in a house next to Arkham for a month.
Dave
-- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>TIME GARDEN was the only literal Eager/Nesbit crossover bit I could >find -- there's lots of reference to Nesbit in the other books, but if >there was anything more than that I missed it.
There's a note at the end of Half Magic now, I think in the Eager bio blurb,
that he made a reference to one or another Nesbit book in every single one
of his seven, because he thought her stories were fabulous.
Dave
-- \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
> Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
> >d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
> >> Oh were it only that simple. That's what the Earth-1 Canary THOUGHT had
> >> happened,
> >For years, it was what had happened; it was retconned only a couple of
> >years or so pre-Crisis.
> But after that it was what had always happened, I can't go back and unchange
> things!
> >> but (and all of this is 'if I recall correctly', Kurt might correct
> >> me at any moment) she actually turned out to be the DAUGHTER of Earth-2's
> >> Canary and its Larry Lance.
> >Partly correct. She turned out to be the mom's mind and memory
> >magically projected into the daughter's body, the daughter having grown
> >to adulthood in suspended animation in the Bahdnisian Thunderbolt
> >dimension and having no real memories of her own.
> Right, I _knew_ there was a Thunderbolt mixed up in it somewhere.
> >> Dave, honestly, it's like a super-soap-opera sometimes
> >Sometimes?
> Sometimes it's like a game show, or one of those reality shows where they
> put ten different supervillains in a house next to Arkham for a month.
On 2012-10-17 06:27:01 +0000, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
> Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
>>> Oh were it only that simple. That's what the Earth-1 Canary THOUGHT had
>>> happened,
>> For years, it was what had happened; it was retconned only a couple of
>> years or so pre-Crisis.
> But after that it was what had always happened, I can't go back and unchange
> things!
I can. All I have to do is read comics from before the retcon!
