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James Nicoll
Apr 29, 2012, 11:42:16 AM4/29/12
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I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
manner of ad man.
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manner of ad man.
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Robert Carnegie
Apr 29, 2012, 1:37:35 PM4/29/12
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On Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:42:16 PM UTC+1, James Nicoll wrote:
> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
> manner of ad man.
If this isn't a feature of the magazine stories that were
> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
> manner of ad man.
adapted into these shows, perhaps they are substituting
the author's narration with U. S. Robotics (say) appointing
and briefing a publicist for their latest project, thus
also briefing the listeners?
James Nicoll
Apr 29, 2012, 2:02:47 PM4/29/12
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In article <32330152.2647.1335721055411.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbqq1>,
It's a feature of the stories. On my livejournal, Matthew Davis
pointed out that the letter Donald Westlake wrote on his exit from
SF includes a complaint about the frequency of worlds controlled by
"advertising agencies or insurance companies or the A&P" in stories
published by Galaxy Magazine.
pointed out that the letter Donald Westlake wrote on his exit from
SF includes a complaint about the frequency of worlds controlled by
"advertising agencies or insurance companies or the A&P" in stories
published by Galaxy Magazine.
Kip Williams
Apr 29, 2012, 3:19:45 PM4/29/12
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James Nicoll wrote:
> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
> manner of ad man.
It's all grey flannel suits.
> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
> manner of ad man.
I looked into the CBS Radio Workshop at archive, and they have a lot of
the same thing. Humor-wise, I have a record from 1908 that dated a good
deal better. These tended to be so arch, everybody involved probably
ended up with cramps in their dimples.
Kip W
rasfw
Larry
Apr 29, 2012, 8:53:19 PM4/29/12
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In article <jnjngo$5kn$1...@reader1.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com says...
> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
> manner of ad man.
Thanks for reminding me. I just downloaded 214 episodes from iTunes. These
seem to be earlier episodes, though, giving credit to Astounding instead of
Galaxy.
> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
> manner of ad man.
seem to be earlier episodes, though, giving credit to Astounding instead of
Galaxy.
JimboCat
Apr 30, 2012, 1:37:57 PM4/30/12
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On Apr 29, 11:42 am, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
> [stuff I'm not replying to]
What most strikes me about the X Minus One shows is how often and in
what directions they deviate from the original stories the shows are
based on. Most of the time when they make significant changes, these
seem to be related to Cold War paranoia. Sometimes they add gratuitous
religious themes.
I'm thinking especially of two favorties, "First Contact" and "Surface
Tension".
In the former, the original story by Murray Leinster had a slightly
ambiguous but generally upbeat ending: the conundrum was that the two
species, who stumbled upon each other in outer space, couldn't trust
each other, but in the end they found a way (implausible though it may
have been) to return home, each to their own plants - in the others'
ship. In the X-1 version, they attempt to blow each other up real good
instead. Even though this doesn't appear to result in the destruction
of either ship, the episode ends with the earth-ship Captain still
convinced that he can Never Go Home Again.
The X-1 treatment of "Surface Tension" moves the microscopic actors
from a distant planet populated by the descendants of emergency-em-
tinied earth people, into a petri dish in a laboratory on a doomed
Earth. The story's themes are changed from self-actualization and -
responsibility to an utter dependence on a mystical higher power.
On the other hand, some are done very well indeed. It's a weirdly-
mixed bag.
Jim Deutch (JimboCat)
--
"Meta-disclaimer: Any society that needs disclaimers has too many
lawyers."
> [stuff I'm not replying to]
What most strikes me about the X Minus One shows is how often and in
what directions they deviate from the original stories the shows are
based on. Most of the time when they make significant changes, these
seem to be related to Cold War paranoia. Sometimes they add gratuitous
religious themes.
I'm thinking especially of two favorties, "First Contact" and "Surface
Tension".
In the former, the original story by Murray Leinster had a slightly
ambiguous but generally upbeat ending: the conundrum was that the two
species, who stumbled upon each other in outer space, couldn't trust
each other, but in the end they found a way (implausible though it may
have been) to return home, each to their own plants - in the others'
ship. In the X-1 version, they attempt to blow each other up real good
instead. Even though this doesn't appear to result in the destruction
of either ship, the episode ends with the earth-ship Captain still
convinced that he can Never Go Home Again.
The X-1 treatment of "Surface Tension" moves the microscopic actors
from a distant planet populated by the descendants of emergency-em-
tinied earth people, into a petri dish in a laboratory on a doomed
Earth. The story's themes are changed from self-actualization and -
responsibility to an utter dependence on a mystical higher power.
On the other hand, some are done very well indeed. It's a weirdly-
mixed bag.
Jim Deutch (JimboCat)
--
"Meta-disclaimer: Any society that needs disclaimers has too many
lawyers."
david.sh...@ymail.com
Apr 30, 2012, 2:09:44 PM4/30/12
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On Apr 29, 11:42 am, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
> manner of ad man.
> --http://www.livejournal.com/users/james_nicollhttp://www.cafepress.com/jdnicoll(For all your "The problem with
> manner of ad man.
> defending the English language [...]" T-shirt, cup and tote-bag needs)
I get the impression that writing advertising copy was
a common day job for writers of fiction in the mid twentieth
century.
Dorothy J Heydt
Apr 30, 2012, 2:36:08 PM4/30/12
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In article <e1f4729f-8b45-40e6...@w7g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>,
Possibly. Or else the general public had only recently become
aware of advertising techniques and how they permeated the public
consciousness. Packard's _The Hidden Persuaders_ came out in
1957, which is later than I assumed, so it was more a typical
example of the trend than a trend-starter.
I would say that we'd all become more cynical about advertising
these days,* except for the current raging popularity of the TV
series _Mad Men_ (as in Madison Avenue), all about an early 1960s
ad agency. Perhaps it means the TV audience have reached a
degree of detachment from advertising that they can watch it from
the outside ... one can always hope.
There was also the common meme in 1950s science fiction known as
"the garbageman story." You observe that there are a lot of
members of trade or profession X in the present day, so you write
a story in which trade or profession (usually profession) X runs
the world.
Pohl and Kornbluth did a whole lot of these.
_____
*There was a news story a year or so ago in which somebody from
Turner Broadcasting declared that TiVoing a show and skipping
over the commercials was "theft." How he proposed to enforce and
prosecute this alleged lawbreaking, he didn't say.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
aware of advertising techniques and how they permeated the public
consciousness. Packard's _The Hidden Persuaders_ came out in
1957, which is later than I assumed, so it was more a typical
example of the trend than a trend-starter.
I would say that we'd all become more cynical about advertising
these days,* except for the current raging popularity of the TV
series _Mad Men_ (as in Madison Avenue), all about an early 1960s
ad agency. Perhaps it means the TV audience have reached a
degree of detachment from advertising that they can watch it from
the outside ... one can always hope.
There was also the common meme in 1950s science fiction known as
"the garbageman story." You observe that there are a lot of
members of trade or profession X in the present day, so you write
a story in which trade or profession (usually profession) X runs
the world.
Pohl and Kornbluth did a whole lot of these.
_____
*There was a news story a year or so ago in which somebody from
Turner Broadcasting declared that TiVoing a show and skipping
over the commercials was "theft." How he proposed to enforce and
prosecute this alleged lawbreaking, he didn't say.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Robert Carnegie
Apr 30, 2012, 6:13:01 PM4/30/12
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On Monday, April 30, 2012 7:36:08 PM UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <e1f4729f-8b45-40e6...@w7g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>,
> <david.sh...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >I get the impression that writing advertising copy was
> >a common day job for writers of fiction in the mid twentieth
> >century.
>
> Possibly. Or else the general public had only recently become
> aware of advertising techniques and how they permeated the public
> consciousness. Packard's _The Hidden Persuaders_ came out in
> 1957, which is later than I assumed, so it was more a typical
> example of the trend than a trend-starter.
But I'm not sure why _The Hidden Persuaders_ would be
> In article <e1f4729f-8b45-40e6...@w7g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>,
> <david.sh...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >I get the impression that writing advertising copy was
> >a common day job for writers of fiction in the mid twentieth
> >century.
>
> Possibly. Or else the general public had only recently become
> aware of advertising techniques and how they permeated the public
> consciousness. Packard's _The Hidden Persuaders_ came out in
> 1957, which is later than I assumed, so it was more a typical
> example of the trend than a trend-starter.
a big deal unless it revealed what was hitherto unseen.
Well - there was the disputed allegation of "subliminal"
advertising.
Obituary
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/13/arts/vance-packard-82-challenger-of-consumerism-dies.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
He may have been anticipated by Mad Magazine, and by
Dorothy L. Sayers' _Murder Must Advertise_ (1933). Were
we recently talking about Sayers and smoking, and did I
mention a recent re-read of this one, and the hero
Lord Peter Wimsey inventing the greatest pro-smoking
scheme ever in the course of the story - gift coupons.
I remember a reprint of _Mad_ having a go at those.
Dorothy J Heydt
Apr 30, 2012, 6:48:45 PM4/30/12
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In article <3921032.987.1335823981685.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbjb10>,
You do know that Sayers worked for an advertising agency for
several years? Her greatest triumph was "The Mustard Club."
several years? Her greatest triumph was "The Mustard Club."
Robert Carnegie
Apr 30, 2012, 7:38:52 PM4/30/12
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"Has father joined the Mustard Club?" Is it me, or does
that sound like barely a euphemism? (e.g., for a smell like
rotten eggs.)
Dorothy J Heydt
Apr 30, 2012, 9:27:09 PM4/30/12
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In article <25625028.4455.1335829132898.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbfr18>,
Well, that wasn't the way Sayers used it. The phrase may have
taken on that meaning since her day.
A quick google tells me there was even some film footage!
http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/105
taken on that meaning since her day.
A quick google tells me there was even some film footage!
http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/105
Franco
Apr 30, 2012, 9:49:25 PM4/30/12
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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Apr 30, 2012, 11:24:30 PM4/30/12
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In article <4776549.599.1335836965265.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbnh2>,
One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
a beleaguered ad man. And don't forget "Skyway Soap .. as pure as the
sky itself!"
--
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
a beleaguered ad man. And don't forget "Skyway Soap .. as pure as the
sky itself!"
--
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Dorothy J Heydt
May 1, 2012, 12:27:37 AM5/1/12
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In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>
>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>a beleaguered ad man.
Which was this?
>
>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>a beleaguered ad man.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
May 1, 2012, 12:41:44 AM5/1/12
to
In article <M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>
>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>a beleaguered ad man.
>
>Which was this?
>
Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>
>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>a beleaguered ad man.
>
>Which was this?
>
Dorothy J Heydt
May 1, 2012, 1:00:24 AM5/1/12
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In article <a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
meanings, and I don't.
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>In article <M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>
>>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>a beleaguered ad man.
>>
>>Which was this?
>>
>
>Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>In article <M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>
>>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>a beleaguered ad man.
>>
>>Which was this?
>>
>
>Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
meanings, and I don't.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
May 1, 2012, 1:33:52 AM5/1/12
to
In article <M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
"Bewitched".
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>In article <M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>>a beleaguered ad man.
>>>
>>>Which was this?
>>>
>>
>>Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>
>But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>meanings, and I don't.
>
>--
>Dorothy J. Heydt
Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>In article <a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>In article <M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>>a beleaguered ad man.
>>>
>>>Which was this?
>>>
>>
>>Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>
>But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>meanings, and I don't.
>
>--
>Dorothy J. Heydt
"Bewitched".
Dorothy J Heydt
May 1, 2012, 1:44:25 AM5/1/12
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In article <a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
advertising. Shows how much I know.
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>In article <M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>In article <M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>>In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>>>a beleaguered ad man.
>>>>
>>>>Which was this?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>
>>But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>>meanings, and I don't.
>>
>>--
>>Dorothy J. Heydt
>
>Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>
>"Bewitched".
Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
>In article <M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>In article <M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>>In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>>>a beleaguered ad man.
>>>>
>>>>Which was this?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>
>>But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>>meanings, and I don't.
>>
>>--
>>Dorothy J. Heydt
>
>Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>
>"Bewitched".
sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
advertising. Shows how much I know.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
May 1, 2012, 1:50:42 AM5/1/12
to
On 2012-05-01 01:44:25 -0400, Dorothy J Heydt said:
> In article <a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
>> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>> In article <a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>> In article <M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>>>> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>>>> a beleaguered ad man.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which was this?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>>
>>> But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>>> meanings, and I don't.
>>
> In article <a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
>> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>> In article <a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>> In article <M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>>>> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>>>> a beleaguered ad man.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which was this?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>>
>>> But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>>> meanings, and I don't.
>>
>> Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>>
>> "Bewitched".
>
> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> advertising. Shows how much I know.
That was "I Dream of Jeannie," where the genie married an astronaut.
>>
>> "Bewitched".
>
> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> advertising. Shows how much I know.
--
Now available on Amazon or B&N: One-Eyed Jack.
Greg Kraft could see ghosts. That didn't mean he could stop them...
Butch Malahide
May 1, 2012, 1:56:32 AM5/1/12
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On May 1, 12:44 am, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> In article <a09atvF36...@mid.individual.net>,
genie (Barbara Eden), not the witch.
> In article <a09atvF36...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>
> >"Bewitched".
>
> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> advertising. Shows how much I know.
You're mixing up your fantasy sitcoms. The Air Force guy marries the
>
> >"Bewitched".
>
> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> advertising. Shows how much I know.
genie (Barbara Eden), not the witch.
David Goldfarb
May 1, 2012, 3:17:15 AM5/1/12
to
In article <a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
being too coy.
--
David Goldfarb |"The only thing better than messing with somebody's
goldf...@gmail.com | sense of reality is messing with a whole LOTTA
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | people's sense of reality...."
| -- J. Michael Straczynski
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>In article <M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>
>>But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>>meanings, and I don't.
>>
>
>In article <M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>
>>But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>>meanings, and I don't.
>>
>
>Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>
>"Bewitched".
For what it's worth, I saw plenty of reruns of _Bewitched_ when I
>
>"Bewitched".
was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
being too coy.
--
David Goldfarb |"The only thing better than messing with somebody's
goldf...@gmail.com | sense of reality is messing with a whole LOTTA
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | people's sense of reality...."
| -- J. Michael Straczynski
Michael Stemper
May 1, 2012, 8:17:08 AM5/1/12
to
In article <jnjngo$5kn$1...@reader1.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
>I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
>manner of ad man.
Were a lot of them written by Sheckley?
>I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
>manner of ad man.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
I feel more like I do now than I did when I came in.
Kip Williams
May 1, 2012, 9:02:38 AM5/1/12
to
Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article<M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
> Dorothy J Heydt<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> In article<a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>> In article<M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>>> Dorothy J Heydt<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>> In article<a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>>> a beleaguered ad man.
>>>>
>>>> Which was this?
>>>
>>> Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>
>> But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>> meanings, and I don't.
>
> In article<M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
> Dorothy J Heydt<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> In article<a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>> In article<M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>>> Dorothy J Heydt<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>> In article<a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>>> a beleaguered ad man.
>>>>
>>>> Which was this?
>>>
>>> Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>
>> But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>> meanings, and I don't.
>
> Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>
> "Bewitched".
I didn't get it until you pointed it out, and I can remember watching
>
> "Bewitched".
the first episode at my uncle's house.
Kip W
rasfw
Michael Stemper
May 1, 2012, 9:16:38 AM5/1/12
to
In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>In article <4776549.599.1335836965265.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbnh2>, Franco <ffr...@mailandnews.com> wrote:
>>On Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:42:16 AM UTC-7, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
>>> manner of ad man.
>In article <4776549.599.1335836965265.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbnh2>, Franco <ffr...@mailandnews.com> wrote:
>>On Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:42:16 AM UTC-7, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
>>> manner of ad man.
>>One of the Mad Men characters (Kenneth "Ken" Cosgrove) writes science fiction.
>
>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>a beleaguered ad man. And don't forget "Skyway Soap .. as pure as the
>sky itself!"
Is that from E. B. White's "The Morning of the Day They Did It"? I know
>
>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>a beleaguered ad man. And don't forget "Skyway Soap .. as pure as the
>sky itself!"
that had a commercial for "Tepky's Hormone-Enriched Dental Floss", but
"Skyway Soap" sounds as if it would fit, as well.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
by rubbing peanut butter on his gums.
Robert Carnegie
May 1, 2012, 9:35:42 AM5/1/12
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On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:17:15 AM UTC+1, David Goldfarb wrote:
> In article <a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >In article <M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
> >Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >>In article <a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
> >>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >>>Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
> >>
> >>But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
> >>meanings, and I don't.
> >>
> >
> >Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
> >
> >"Bewitched".
>
> For what it's worth, I saw plenty of reruns of _Bewitched_ when I
> was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
> being too coy.
Would "bothered and bewildered" have helped? IIRC an accurate
> In article <a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >In article <M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
> >Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >>In article <a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
> >>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >>>Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
> >>
> >>But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
> >>meanings, and I don't.
> >>
> >
> >Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
> >
> >"Bewitched".
>
> For what it's worth, I saw plenty of reruns of _Bewitched_ when I
> was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
> being too coy.
description of the hero's usual situation.
Or perhaps "C'est la vie" would do it for you.
David Dyer-Bennet
May 1, 2012, 9:41:19 AM5/1/12
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> One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
> a beleaguered ad man. And don't forget "Skyway Soap .. as pure as the
> sky itself!"
"Highway or byway, there's no soap like Skyway!"
> a beleaguered ad man. And don't forget "Skyway Soap .. as pure as the
> sky itself!"
--
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David Dyer-Bennet
May 1, 2012, 9:42:57 AM5/1/12
to
mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) writes:
> In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>>In article <4776549.599.1335836965265.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbnh2>, Franco <ffr...@mailandnews.com> wrote:
>>>On Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:42:16 AM UTC-7, James Nicoll wrote:
>
>>>> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
>>>> manner of ad man.
>
>>>One of the Mad Men characters (Kenneth "Ken" Cosgrove) writes science fiction.
>>
>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>a beleaguered ad man. And don't forget "Skyway Soap .. as pure as the
>>sky itself!"
>
> Is that from E. B. White's "The Morning of the Day They Did It"? I know
> that had a commercial for "Tepky's Hormone-Enriched Dental Floss", but
> "Skyway Soap" sounds as if it would fit, as well.
It's from Heinlein's _Have Spacesuit, Will Travel_. Soap slogans is how
> In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>>In article <4776549.599.1335836965265.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbnh2>, Franco <ffr...@mailandnews.com> wrote:
>>>On Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:42:16 AM UTC-7, James Nicoll wrote:
>
>>>> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
>>>> manner of ad man.
>
>>>One of the Mad Men characters (Kenneth "Ken" Cosgrove) writes science fiction.
>>
>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>a beleaguered ad man. And don't forget "Skyway Soap .. as pure as the
>>sky itself!"
>
> Is that from E. B. White's "The Morning of the Day They Did It"? I know
> that had a commercial for "Tepky's Hormone-Enriched Dental Floss", but
> "Skyway Soap" sounds as if it would fit, as well.
Kip gets his spacesuit (a lower prize than the actual trip into space he
was working for).
James Nicoll
May 1, 2012, 9:59:55 AM5/1/12
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In article <jnok84$hh0$1...@dont-email.me>,
Fifth columns by aliens are also popular.
Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <jnjngo$5kn$1...@reader1.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com (James
>Nicoll) writes:
>
>>I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
>>manner of ad man.
>
>Were a lot of them written by Sheckley?
None of the ones I've heard so far.
>In article <jnjngo$5kn$1...@reader1.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com (James
>Nicoll) writes:
>
>>I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
>>manner of ad man.
>
>Were a lot of them written by Sheckley?
Fifth columns by aliens are also popular.
Dorothy J Heydt
May 1, 2012, 10:48:17 AM5/1/12
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In article <jnonnm$4jf$1...@dont-email.me>,
Spacesuit, Will Travel._
Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted
>Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>>In article
><4776549.599.1335836965265.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbnh2>, Franco
><ffr...@mailandnews.com> wrote:
>>>On Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:42:16 AM UTC-7, James Nicoll wrote:
>
>>>> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
>>>> manner of ad man.
>
>>>One of the Mad Men characters (Kenneth "Ken" Cosgrove) writes science fiction.
>>
>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>a beleaguered ad man. And don't forget "Skyway Soap .. as pure as the
>>sky itself!"
>
>Is that from E. B. White's "The Morning of the Day They Did It"? I know
>that had a commercial for "Tepky's Hormone-Enriched Dental Floss", but
>"Skyway Soap" sounds as if it would fit, as well.
>
No, in the context of the entire slogan, that's Heinlein's _Have
>In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted
>Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>>In article
><4776549.599.1335836965265.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbnh2>, Franco
><ffr...@mailandnews.com> wrote:
>>>On Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:42:16 AM UTC-7, James Nicoll wrote:
>
>>>> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
>>>> manner of ad man.
>
>>>One of the Mad Men characters (Kenneth "Ken" Cosgrove) writes science fiction.
>>
>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>a beleaguered ad man. And don't forget "Skyway Soap .. as pure as the
>>sky itself!"
>
>Is that from E. B. White's "The Morning of the Day They Did It"? I know
>that had a commercial for "Tepky's Hormone-Enriched Dental Floss", but
>"Skyway Soap" sounds as if it would fit, as well.
>
Spacesuit, Will Travel._
Joseph Nebus
May 1, 2012, 7:16:53 PM5/1/12
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Kip Williams
May 1, 2012, 7:43:54 PM5/1/12
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Joseph Nebus wrote:
> In<4396505.158.1335879342378.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbep19> Robert Carnegie<rja.ca...@excite.com> writes:
>
>> On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:17:15 AM UTC+1, David Goldfarb wrote:
>>> In article<a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>
>>>> Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>>>>
>>>> "Bewitched".
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, I saw plenty of reruns of _Bewitched_ when I
>>> was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
>>> being too coy.
>
>> Would "bothered and bewildered" have helped? IIRC an accurate
>> description of the hero's usual situation.
>
>> Or perhaps "C'est la vie" would do it for you.
>
> I thought it was Bewitched, Bothered, and Be-mildred.
I know what's in your belfry.
> In<4396505.158.1335879342378.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbep19> Robert Carnegie<rja.ca...@excite.com> writes:
>
>> On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:17:15 AM UTC+1, David Goldfarb wrote:
>>> In article<a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>
>>>> Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>>>>
>>>> "Bewitched".
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, I saw plenty of reruns of _Bewitched_ when I
>>> was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
>>> being too coy.
>
>> Would "bothered and bewildered" have helped? IIRC an accurate
>> description of the hero's usual situation.
>
>> Or perhaps "C'est la vie" would do it for you.
>
> I thought it was Bewitched, Bothered, and Be-mildred.
Kip W
rasfw
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
May 1, 2012, 8:25:02 PM5/1/12
to
In article <Yy_nr.294$go4...@newsfe14.iad>,
Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.
Robert Bannister
May 1, 2012, 8:53:05 PM5/1/12
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watch occasionally.
--
Robert Bannister
Robert Bannister
May 1, 2012, 8:53:48 PM5/1/12
to
On 1/05/12 1:44 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article<a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article<M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
>> Dorothy J Heydt<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>> In article<a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>> In article<M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>>>> Dorothy J Heydt<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article<a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>>>> a beleaguered ad man.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which was this?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>>
>>> But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>>> meanings, and I don't.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dorothy J. Heydt
>>
>> Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>>
>> "Bewitched".
>
> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> advertising. Shows how much I know.
>
That was the more modern "I dream of Jeannie".
> In article<a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article<M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
>> Dorothy J Heydt<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>> In article<a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>> In article<M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>>>> Dorothy J Heydt<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article<a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>>>> a beleaguered ad man.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which was this?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>>
>>> But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>>> meanings, and I don't.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dorothy J. Heydt
>>
>> Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>>
>> "Bewitched".
>
> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> advertising. Shows how much I know.
>
--
Robert Bannister
Robert Bannister
May 1, 2012, 8:55:42 PM5/1/12
to
On 1/05/12 3:17 PM, David Goldfarb wrote:
> In article<a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article<M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
>> Dorothy J Heydt<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>> In article<a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>> Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>>
>>> But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>>> meanings, and I don't.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>>
>> "Bewitched".
>
> For what it's worth, I saw plenty of reruns of _Bewitched_ when I
> was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
> being too coy.
>
I still watch "Bewitched" or "I dream of Genie" or "MASH" or "Get Smart"
> In article<a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article<M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
>> Dorothy J Heydt<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>> In article<a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>> Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>>
>>> But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>>> meanings, and I don't.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>>
>> "Bewitched".
>
> For what it's worth, I saw plenty of reruns of _Bewitched_ when I
> was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
> being too coy.
>
usually while I'm cooking dinner. Cheap and nasty commercial television
does have its good points.
--
Robert Bannister
Kurt Busiek
May 1, 2012, 9:52:41 PM5/1/12
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kdb
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Visit http://www.busiek.com -- for all your Busiek needs!
Shawn Wilson
May 1, 2012, 11:24:16 PM5/1/12
to
On Apr 30, 10:50 pm, Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
> >> "Bewitched".
>
> > Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> > sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> > advertising. Shows how much I know.
>
> That was "I Dream of Jeannie," where the genie married an astronaut.
Not until the last season.
> >> "Bewitched".
>
> > Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> > sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> > advertising. Shows how much I know.
>
> That was "I Dream of Jeannie," where the genie married an astronaut.
Shawn Wilson
May 1, 2012, 11:25:13 PM5/1/12
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On May 1, 6:16 am, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
wrote:
> In article <a093beFag...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
contest. Hilarity ensues.
wrote:
> In article <a093beFag...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>
> >In article <4776549.599.1335836965265.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbnh2>, Franco <ffra...@mailandnews.com> wrote:
> >>On Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:42:16 AM UTC-7, James Nicoll wrote:
> >>> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
> >>> manner of ad man.
> >>One of the Mad Men characters (Kenneth "Ken" Cosgrove) writes science fiction.
>
> >One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
> >a beleaguered ad man. And don't forget "Skyway Soap .. as pure as the
> >sky itself!"
>
> Is that from E. B. White's "The Morning of the Day They Did It"? I know
> that had a commercial for "Tepky's Hormone-Enriched Dental Floss", but
> "Skyway Soap" sounds as if it would fit, as well.
Have Spacesuit, Will Travel. Hero wins a spacesuit in a soap jingle
> >In article <4776549.599.1335836965265.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbnh2>, Franco <ffra...@mailandnews.com> wrote:
> >>On Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:42:16 AM UTC-7, James Nicoll wrote:
> >>> I am very surprised how many of the stories involve some
> >>> manner of ad man.
> >>One of the Mad Men characters (Kenneth "Ken" Cosgrove) writes science fiction.
>
> >One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
> >a beleaguered ad man. And don't forget "Skyway Soap .. as pure as the
> >sky itself!"
>
> Is that from E. B. White's "The Morning of the Day They Did It"? I know
> that had a commercial for "Tepky's Hormone-Enriched Dental Floss", but
> "Skyway Soap" sounds as if it would fit, as well.
contest. Hilarity ensues.
Joe Pfeiffer
May 2, 2012, 12:12:32 AM5/2/12
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djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
> In article <a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>In article <M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>In article <a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>In article <M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>>>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>>>In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>>>>a beleaguered ad man.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which was this?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>>
>>>But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>>>meanings, and I don't.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Dorothy J. Heydt
>>
>>Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>>
>>"Bewitched".
>
> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> advertising. Shows how much I know.
I think you're probably confusing "Bewitched" (Darrin was in
> In article <a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>In article <M3Bv8...@kithrup.com>,
>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>In article <a097s8...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>In article <M3Btq...@kithrup.com>,
>>>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>>>In article <a093be...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>>>>>>a beleaguered ad man.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which was this?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps he was more than be-leaguered..
>>>
>>>But what WAS it? Puns only work if your audience knows both
>>>meanings, and I don't.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Dorothy J. Heydt
>>
>>Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.. :-)
>>
>>"Bewitched".
>
> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> advertising. Shows how much I know.
advertising) with "I dream of Jeannie" (Tony Nelson, Jeannie's
"Master", was an air force officer and astronaut).
Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
enough to actually rewatch it, though....
Joe Pfeiffer
May 2, 2012, 12:14:28 AM5/2/12
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Get Smart were well above nasty commercial television.
Dorothy J Heydt
May 2, 2012, 12:28:48 AM5/2/12
to
In article <1bmx5rm...@pfeifferfamily.net>,
Yes, there has been non-nasty in-spite-of-commercial television.
It's just that it has to cater, not even to the lowest common
denominator of viewers, but to what the producers and the
advertisers *think* is the lowest common denominator thereof.
Thus posted John Eldredge in 2003, branching off from a thread
about the kind of newspapers you see at the checkout counters of
supermarkets:
>This reminds me of an answer I got from a television station
>administrator in the late 1970's. I asked him, in a
>question-and-answer session at a public lecture, what his network
>considered an average viewer to be. His answer was, "We consider
the average viewer to be a blue-collar worker in his 30's or 40's,
>with an eighth-grade education, an IQ of about 80, and no desire to
>watch anything that would make him need to think." While a great deal
>of commercial television indeed seems to be aimed this low, I was
surprised to hear someone from the industry admit it publicly.
It's just that it has to cater, not even to the lowest common
denominator of viewers, but to what the producers and the
advertisers *think* is the lowest common denominator thereof.
Thus posted John Eldredge in 2003, branching off from a thread
about the kind of newspapers you see at the checkout counters of
supermarkets:
>This reminds me of an answer I got from a television station
>administrator in the late 1970's. I asked him, in a
>question-and-answer session at a public lecture, what his network
>considered an average viewer to be. His answer was, "We consider
the average viewer to be a blue-collar worker in his 30's or 40's,
>with an eighth-grade education, an IQ of about 80, and no desire to
>watch anything that would make him need to think." While a great deal
>of commercial television indeed seems to be aimed this low, I was
surprised to hear someone from the industry admit it publicly.
Kip Williams
May 2, 2012, 12:42:31 AM5/2/12
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Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
> to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
> marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
> enough to actually rewatch it, though....
As a side note to that, the Stevenses were Jewish. You sometimes saw a
> Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
> to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
> marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
> enough to actually rewatch it, though....
menorah in their home, though that might not have been apparent until
after Tabitha came along.
Kip W
rasfw
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
May 2, 2012, 1:15:37 AM5/2/12
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In article <1br4v3m...@pfeifferfamily.net>,
Quite a bit if the episode guide I was reading recently was accurate.
Moriarty
May 2, 2012, 1:26:16 AM5/2/12
to
won't they?" Once they did, the show lost a lot. I'm sure it wasn't
the first, and it definitely wasn't the last, time that that happened.
-Moriarty
Robert Carnegie
May 2, 2012, 7:17:59 AM5/2/12
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On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:52:41 AM UTC+1, Kurt Busiek wrote:
> On 2012-05-02 00:53:48 +0000, Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> said:
>
> > On 1/05/12 1:44 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> In article<a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
> >> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >>> "Bewitched".
> >>
> >> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> >> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> >> advertising. Shows how much I know.
> >
> > That was the more modern "I dream of Jeannie".
>
> Not much more modern. It debuted in '65, BEWITCHED in '64.
Witches, djinns - I think I'd award the modernity to BEWITCHED.
> On 2012-05-02 00:53:48 +0000, Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> said:
>
> > On 1/05/12 1:44 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> In article<a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
> >> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >>> "Bewitched".
> >>
> >> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> >> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> >> advertising. Shows how much I know.
> >
> > That was the more modern "I dream of Jeannie".
>
> Not much more modern. It debuted in '65, BEWITCHED in '64.
Even if there are characters appearing who remember Salem and
so forth. And maybe King Saul. (I'm thinking of Endora, are
there real people with that name?)
Michael Stemper
May 2, 2012, 9:04:15 AM5/2/12
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In article <11881810-c8de-4caf...@n5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> writes:
>On May 1, 6:16=A0am, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Why doesn't anybody care about apathy?
>On May 1, 6:16=A0am, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
wrote:
>> In article <a093beFag...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>> >One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>> >a beleaguered ad man. =A0And don't forget "Skyway Soap .. as pure as the
>> In article <a093beFag...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
>> >One of the best loved and longest running fantasy TV shows centered on
>> >sky itself!"
>>
>> Is that from E. B. White's "The Morning of the Day They Did It"? I know
>> that had a commercial for "Tepky's Hormone-Enriched Dental Floss", but
>> "Skyway Soap" sounds as if it would fit, as well.
>
>Have Spacesuit, Will Travel.
Thanks. I should have remembered that.
>>
>> Is that from E. B. White's "The Morning of the Day They Did It"? I know
>> that had a commercial for "Tepky's Hormone-Enriched Dental Floss", but
>> "Skyway Soap" sounds as if it would fit, as well.
>
>Have Spacesuit, Will Travel.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
James Nicoll
May 2, 2012, 11:43:38 AM5/2/12
to
In article <a0bu7p...@mid.individual.net>,
It could also be seen a metaphor for gays and bisexuals in America
of the 1960s.
of the 1960s.
Derek Lyons
May 2, 2012, 12:16:10 PM5/2/12
to
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote:
>For what it's worth, I saw plenty of reruns of _Bewitched_ when I
>was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
>being too coy.
Why do you assume that as a kid, you'd understand a TV show aimed at
>For what it's worth, I saw plenty of reruns of _Bewitched_ when I
>was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
>being too coy.
an older audience?
D.
--
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http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/
-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL
James Nicoll
May 2, 2012, 12:25:18 PM5/2/12
to
In article <4fa15d8e....@news.supernews.com>,
itself.
Derek Lyons <fair...@gmail.com> wrote:
>gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote:
>
>>For what it's worth, I saw plenty of reruns of _Bewitched_ when I
>>was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
>>being too coy.
>
>Why do you assume that as a kid, you'd understand a TV show aimed at
>an older audience?
>
I think "it" refers to the reference to Bewitched, not to Bewitched
>gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote:
>
>>For what it's worth, I saw plenty of reruns of _Bewitched_ when I
>>was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
>>being too coy.
>
>Why do you assume that as a kid, you'd understand a TV show aimed at
>an older audience?
>
itself.
David DeLaney
May 2, 2012, 7:09:36 PM5/2/12
to
James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
>>>to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
>>>marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
>>>enough to actually rewatch it, though....
>>
>>Quite a bit if the episode guide I was reading recently was accurate.
>
>It could also be seen a metaphor for gays and bisexuals in America
>of the 1960s.
Um, er, Stonewall wasn't until 1969, and before that GLB stuff wasn't even
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
>>>to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
>>>marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
>>>enough to actually rewatch it, though....
>>
>>Quite a bit if the episode guide I was reading recently was accurate.
>
>It could also be seen a metaphor for gays and bisexuals in America
>of the 1960s.
talkable about in polite company in the US - wasn't acknowledged to _exist_
except as a few poor psychologically-diseased souls, unless you found your way
into the subculture somewhere and got accepted. Mixed marriages were scandalous
but weren't unique special morally-contagious snowflakes that could never
possibly happen again when discovered and had to be kept away from children,
and also weren't something you could really _hide_.
(Well, okay, it wasn't quite that bad. But the degree to which GLB stuff was
kept under wraps and undercover back then is almost unthinkable these days.
They had it worse off than witches probably would have, at the time...)
Dave "the past is another mental country" DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Robert Bannister
May 2, 2012, 7:06:10 PM5/2/12
to
On 2/05/12 9:52 AM, Kurt Busiek wrote:
> On 2012-05-02 00:53:48 +0000, Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> said:
>
>> On 1/05/12 1:44 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article<a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>> "Bewitched".
>>>
>>> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
>>> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
>>> advertising. Shows how much I know.
>>
>> That was the more modern "I dream of Jeannie".
>
> Not much more modern. It debuted in '65, BEWITCHED in '64.
>
> kdb
I didn't realise that. Perhaps it didn't make it to the UK where I was
> On 2012-05-02 00:53:48 +0000, Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> said:
>
>> On 1/05/12 1:44 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article<a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>> "Bewitched".
>>>
>>> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
>>> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
>>> advertising. Shows how much I know.
>>
>> That was the more modern "I dream of Jeannie".
>
> Not much more modern. It debuted in '65, BEWITCHED in '64.
>
> kdb
living then or perhaps not to a channel I watched.
--
Robert Bannister
Robert Bannister
May 2, 2012, 7:07:12 PM5/2/12
to
--
Robert Bannister
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
May 2, 2012, 7:10:19 PM5/2/12
to
In article <slrnjq3eh...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
David DeLaney <d...@vic.com> wrote:
>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
>>>>to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
>>>>marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
>>>>enough to actually rewatch it, though....
>>>
>>>Quite a bit if the episode guide I was reading recently was accurate.
>>
>>It could also be seen a metaphor for gays and bisexuals in America
>>of the 1960s.
>
>Um, er, Stonewall wasn't until 1969, and before that GLB stuff wasn't even
>talkable about in polite company in the US - wasn't acknowledged to _exist_
>except as a few poor psychologically-diseased souls, unless you found your way
>into the subculture somewhere and got accepted. Mixed marriages were scandalous
>but weren't unique special morally-contagious snowflakes that could never
>possibly happen again when discovered and had to be kept away from children,
>and also weren't something you could really _hide_.
>
>(Well, okay, it wasn't quite that bad. But the degree to which GLB stuff was
>kept under wraps and undercover back then is almost unthinkable these days.
>They had it worse off than witches probably would have, at the time...)
>
And if you're Uncle Arthur, then..
>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
>>>>to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
>>>>marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
>>>>enough to actually rewatch it, though....
>>>
>>>Quite a bit if the episode guide I was reading recently was accurate.
>>
>>It could also be seen a metaphor for gays and bisexuals in America
>>of the 1960s.
>
>Um, er, Stonewall wasn't until 1969, and before that GLB stuff wasn't even
>talkable about in polite company in the US - wasn't acknowledged to _exist_
>except as a few poor psychologically-diseased souls, unless you found your way
>into the subculture somewhere and got accepted. Mixed marriages were scandalous
>but weren't unique special morally-contagious snowflakes that could never
>possibly happen again when discovered and had to be kept away from children,
>and also weren't something you could really _hide_.
>
>(Well, okay, it wasn't quite that bad. But the degree to which GLB stuff was
>kept under wraps and undercover back then is almost unthinkable these days.
>They had it worse off than witches probably would have, at the time...)
>
Robert Bannister
May 2, 2012, 7:16:11 PM5/2/12
to
playing stuff that's about half a century old. I like the above shows,
"Get Smart" in particular - pity it took so long before Barbara Feldon
got more than what started out as almost a non-speaking role.
I must say I had forgotten how political MASH is at times - I mean it
had to be, but I don't remember being struck by it back then. It also
has more religion in it than I can stomach easily, which I had forgotten
about too.
I loved "Bewitched" at the time, but I find it a bit disappointing now.
--
Robert Bannister
Kip Williams
May 2, 2012, 7:32:06 PM5/2/12
to
David DeLaney wrote:
> (Well, okay, it wasn't quite that bad. But the degree to which GLB stuff was
> kept under wraps and undercover back then is almost unthinkable these days.
> They had it worse off than witches probably would have, at the time...)
In the late 60s, a new member joined the community theater group I was
> (Well, okay, it wasn't quite that bad. But the degree to which GLB stuff was
> kept under wraps and undercover back then is almost unthinkable these days.
> They had it worse off than witches probably would have, at the time...)
in. The director told us (her son and me) that Jan was recently
divorced, and that her husband had charged her with witchcraft, possibly
among other things.
That's about all I remember. We didn't get more details. We just quietly
made jokes about it out of the earshot of the grownups. ("Hey, I'm
thirsty. Conjure up a Coke!")
Kip W
rasfw
Dorothy J Heydt
May 2, 2012, 9:21:34 PM5/2/12
to
In article <a0dt10...@mid.individual.net>,
You mean Beruthiel? She was queen of Gondor, as far as I recall.
Robert Carnegie
May 2, 2012, 10:10:39 PM5/2/12
to
Quadibloc
May 2, 2012, 10:20:48 PM5/2/12
to
On May 1, 11:15 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote:
> In article <1br4v3mdan....@pfeifferfamily.net>,
> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
in the later television series Bridget Loves Bernie, about a mixed
marriage - of the sort found in a preceding comedic series on radio,
Abie's Irish Rose.
I Dream of Jeannie, on the other hand, was strictly a comedy without
that kind of subtext... instead, its business was subverting the trope
of the situation being a wish-fulfillment fantasy. Because Captain
Anthony Nelson wants to be a successful astronaut - rather than being
pampered in the style of an Oriental potentate. His life has meaning,
and what his genie has to offer is not tempting set beside the threat
it presents to that meaning.
But he at least ended up surrendering in one respect to the
inevitable, and thus he married Jeannie. But since after that, the
delights offered by gold, grapes and pomegranates are trivial... and
the other astronaut who knew his secret now had his role diminished...
I don't remember how this worked out, but I wouldn't be surprised if
the series lasted only one season after that.
Myself, I remember Jeannie almost as though I had been watching it
yesterday... and Bewitched somewhat less well, but still much of it
quite clearly even so.
John Savard
> In article <1br4v3mdan....@pfeifferfamily.net>,
> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> >djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
> >> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> >> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> >> advertising. Shows how much I know.
>
> >I think you're probably confusing "Bewitched" (Darrin was in
> >advertising) with "I dream of Jeannie" (Tony Nelson, Jeannie's
> >"Master", was an air force officer and astronaut).
>
> >Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
> >to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
> >marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
> >enough to actually rewatch it, though....
>
> Quite a bit if the episode guide I was reading recently was accurate.
Indeed, there was a lot about Bewitched that one might have also found
> >> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
> >> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
> >> advertising. Shows how much I know.
>
> >I think you're probably confusing "Bewitched" (Darrin was in
> >advertising) with "I dream of Jeannie" (Tony Nelson, Jeannie's
> >"Master", was an air force officer and astronaut).
>
> >Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
> >to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
> >marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
> >enough to actually rewatch it, though....
>
> Quite a bit if the episode guide I was reading recently was accurate.
in the later television series Bridget Loves Bernie, about a mixed
marriage - of the sort found in a preceding comedic series on radio,
Abie's Irish Rose.
I Dream of Jeannie, on the other hand, was strictly a comedy without
that kind of subtext... instead, its business was subverting the trope
of the situation being a wish-fulfillment fantasy. Because Captain
Anthony Nelson wants to be a successful astronaut - rather than being
pampered in the style of an Oriental potentate. His life has meaning,
and what his genie has to offer is not tempting set beside the threat
it presents to that meaning.
But he at least ended up surrendering in one respect to the
inevitable, and thus he married Jeannie. But since after that, the
delights offered by gold, grapes and pomegranates are trivial... and
the other astronaut who knew his secret now had his role diminished...
I don't remember how this worked out, but I wouldn't be surprised if
the series lasted only one season after that.
Myself, I remember Jeannie almost as though I had been watching it
yesterday... and Bewitched somewhat less well, but still much of it
quite clearly even so.
John Savard
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
May 2, 2012, 10:31:51 PM5/2/12
to
In article <672e3850-7438-4d1d...@kw17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
And retired from the Air Force to become a commercial jetliner navigator..
David Goldfarb
May 3, 2012, 2:56:55 AM5/3/12
to
In article <jnrn5e$7i3$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
--
David Goldfarb | "All around me darkness gathers
goldf...@gmail.com | Fading is the sun that shone
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | We must speak of other matters
| You can be me when I'm gone."
James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <4fa15d8e....@news.supernews.com>,
>Derek Lyons <fair...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote:
>>
>>>For what it's worth, I saw plenty of reruns of _Bewitched_ when I
>>>was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
>>>being too coy.
>>
>>Why do you assume that as a kid, you'd understand a TV show aimed at
>>an older audience?
>>
>I think "it" refers to the reference to Bewitched, not to Bewitched
>itself.
Just so.
>In article <4fa15d8e....@news.supernews.com>,
>Derek Lyons <fair...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote:
>>
>>>For what it's worth, I saw plenty of reruns of _Bewitched_ when I
>>>was a kid, and I didn't get it either. There's such a thing as
>>>being too coy.
>>
>>Why do you assume that as a kid, you'd understand a TV show aimed at
>>an older audience?
>>
>I think "it" refers to the reference to Bewitched, not to Bewitched
>itself.
--
David Goldfarb | "All around me darkness gathers
goldf...@gmail.com | Fading is the sun that shone
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | We must speak of other matters
| You can be me when I'm gone."
Howard Brazee
May 3, 2012, 10:06:45 AM5/3/12
to
On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
wrote:
>Indeed, there was a lot about Bewitched that one might have also found
>in the later television series Bridget Loves Bernie, about a mixed
>marriage - of the sort found in a preceding comedic series on radio,
>Abie's Irish Rose.
One thing I remember from Bewitched was Darin dressing up as Santa
Claus to put the presents under the tree, with Tabatha saying "Daddy"
to his dismay. The *real* Santa shows up later.
I never heard of the idea of a Dad dressing up in a Santa suit to put
out presents. It seemed weirder than the rest of the show's tropes.
At least it wasn't the typical Santa Claus movie which are about how
important it is to believe in things that all adults know are false.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
wrote:
>Indeed, there was a lot about Bewitched that one might have also found
>in the later television series Bridget Loves Bernie, about a mixed
>marriage - of the sort found in a preceding comedic series on radio,
>Abie's Irish Rose.
Claus to put the presents under the tree, with Tabatha saying "Daddy"
to his dismay. The *real* Santa shows up later.
I never heard of the idea of a Dad dressing up in a Santa suit to put
out presents. It seemed weirder than the rest of the show's tropes.
At least it wasn't the typical Santa Claus movie which are about how
important it is to believe in things that all adults know are false.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Mark Reichert
May 3, 2012, 7:13:07 PM5/3/12
to
On May 2, 6:09 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
remakes a Douglas Sirk melodrama with sexual preference and race
separating lovers rather than the contrivances of the actual
melodramas. I haven't actually seen most of it myself, but I liked
what I heard of Elmer Bernstein's score, which got him his last Oscar
nomination.
> Dave "the past is another mental country" DeLaney
Which the majority of people make no attempt to learn about before
spouting off. Of course, most people don't seem to do that for any
area of knowledge with which they don't have personal experience. I'm
just reflecting most of what I see and hear these days.
As for the past is another mental country, the one thing John
Birmingham's Axis of Time books did right was conveying the vast gulf
in the attitudes of the people.
> James Nicoll <jdnic...@panix.com> wrote:
> >Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >>>Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
> >>>to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
> >>>marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
> >>>enough to actually rewatch it, though....
>
> >>Quite a bit if the episode guide I was reading recently was accurate.
>
> >It could also be seen a metaphor for gays and bisexuals in America
> >of the 1960s.
>
> Um, er, Stonewall wasn't until 1969, and before that GLB stuff wasn't even
> talkable about in polite company in the US - wasn't acknowledged to _exist_
> except as a few poor psychologically-diseased souls, unless you found your way
> into the subculture somewhere and got accepted. Mixed marriages were scandalous
> but weren't unique special morally-contagious snowflakes that could never
> possibly happen again when discovered and had to be kept away from children,
> and also weren't something you could really _hide_.
>
> (Well, okay, it wasn't quite that bad. But the degree to which GLB stuff was
> kept under wraps and undercover back then is almost unthinkable these days.
> They had it worse off than witches probably would have, at the time...)
Anybody who wants a taste of that should see Far From Heaven, which
> >Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >>>Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
> >>>to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
> >>>marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
> >>>enough to actually rewatch it, though....
>
> >>Quite a bit if the episode guide I was reading recently was accurate.
>
> >It could also be seen a metaphor for gays and bisexuals in America
> >of the 1960s.
>
> Um, er, Stonewall wasn't until 1969, and before that GLB stuff wasn't even
> talkable about in polite company in the US - wasn't acknowledged to _exist_
> except as a few poor psychologically-diseased souls, unless you found your way
> into the subculture somewhere and got accepted. Mixed marriages were scandalous
> but weren't unique special morally-contagious snowflakes that could never
> possibly happen again when discovered and had to be kept away from children,
> and also weren't something you could really _hide_.
>
> (Well, okay, it wasn't quite that bad. But the degree to which GLB stuff was
> kept under wraps and undercover back then is almost unthinkable these days.
> They had it worse off than witches probably would have, at the time...)
remakes a Douglas Sirk melodrama with sexual preference and race
separating lovers rather than the contrivances of the actual
melodramas. I haven't actually seen most of it myself, but I liked
what I heard of Elmer Bernstein's score, which got him his last Oscar
nomination.
> Dave "the past is another mental country" DeLaney
spouting off. Of course, most people don't seem to do that for any
area of knowledge with which they don't have personal experience. I'm
just reflecting most of what I see and hear these days.
As for the past is another mental country, the one thing John
Birmingham's Axis of Time books did right was conveying the vast gulf
in the attitudes of the people.
Mark Reichert
May 3, 2012, 7:16:17 PM5/3/12
to
On May 2, 9:31 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote:
> In article <672e3850-7438-4d1d-933d-14ccecdfe...@kw17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Who lives in Chicago in an apartment building next to childless school
teacher and her psychologist husband who had this really long dream
after eating Japanese food.
> In article <672e3850-7438-4d1d-933d-14ccecdfe...@kw17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
teacher and her psychologist husband who had this really long dream
after eating Japanese food.
Robert Bannister
May 3, 2012, 8:31:28 PM5/3/12
to
On 3/05/12 9:21 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article<a0dt10...@mid.individual.net>,
--
Robert Bannister
> In article<a0dt10...@mid.individual.net>,
> Robert Bannister<rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> On 2/05/12 7:17 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:52:41 AM UTC+1, Kurt Busiek wrote:
>>>> On 2012-05-02 00:53:48 +0000, Robert Bannister<rob...@bigpond.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/05/12 1:44 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>>> In article<a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Bewitched".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
>>>>>> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
>>>>>> advertising. Shows how much I know.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was the more modern "I dream of Jeannie".
>>>>
>>>> Not much more modern. It debuted in '65, BEWITCHED in '64.
>>>
>>> Witches, djinns - I think I'd award the modernity to BEWITCHED.
>>> Even if there are characters appearing who remember Salem and
>>> so forth. And maybe King Saul. (I'm thinking of Endora, are
>>> there real people with that name?)
>>
>> Isn't it a place in LotR where the wicked witch was queen?
>
> You mean Beruthiel? She was queen of Gondor, as far as I recall.
>
Sorry. Not LotR, but the bible: the witch of Endor.
>> On 2/05/12 7:17 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:52:41 AM UTC+1, Kurt Busiek wrote:
>>>> On 2012-05-02 00:53:48 +0000, Robert Bannister<rob...@bigpond.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/05/12 1:44 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>>> In article<a09atv...@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>> Ted Nolan<tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Bewitched".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh. No, I don't think I ever watched that much, but I could've
>>>>>> sworn the witch's husband was in the Air Force, not in
>>>>>> advertising. Shows how much I know.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was the more modern "I dream of Jeannie".
>>>>
>>>> Not much more modern. It debuted in '65, BEWITCHED in '64.
>>>
>>> Witches, djinns - I think I'd award the modernity to BEWITCHED.
>>> Even if there are characters appearing who remember Salem and
>>> so forth. And maybe King Saul. (I'm thinking of Endora, are
>>> there real people with that name?)
>>
>> Isn't it a place in LotR where the wicked witch was queen?
>
> You mean Beruthiel? She was queen of Gondor, as far as I recall.
>
--
Robert Bannister
Robert Bannister
May 3, 2012, 8:37:26 PM5/3/12
to
On 3/05/12 10:06 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Indeed, there was a lot about Bewitched that one might have also found
>> in the later television series Bridget Loves Bernie, about a mixed
>> marriage - of the sort found in a preceding comedic series on radio,
>> Abie's Irish Rose.
>
>
> One thing I remember from Bewitched was Darin dressing up as Santa
> Claus to put the presents under the tree, with Tabatha saying "Daddy"
> to his dismay. The *real* Santa shows up later.
>
> I never heard of the idea of a Dad dressing up in a Santa suit to put
> out presents. It seemed weirder than the rest of the show's tropes.
How very odd. Dad dresses up as Father Christmas in many, many families,
> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Indeed, there was a lot about Bewitched that one might have also found
>> in the later television series Bridget Loves Bernie, about a mixed
>> marriage - of the sort found in a preceding comedic series on radio,
>> Abie's Irish Rose.
>
>
> One thing I remember from Bewitched was Darin dressing up as Santa
> Claus to put the presents under the tree, with Tabatha saying "Daddy"
> to his dismay. The *real* Santa shows up later.
>
> I never heard of the idea of a Dad dressing up in a Santa suit to put
> out presents. It seemed weirder than the rest of the show's tropes.
at least until the kids are about six or seven. In our family, it was
not to put the presents under the tree - that would have taken too long
and the clothing would have been too hot - but to fill the children's
Christmas stockings. The whole thing usually involves a lot of giggling
and shushing and perhaps prepares children for the smell of whisky on
Father Christmas's breath when they go to a big department store.
--
Robert Bannister
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
May 3, 2012, 9:33:02 PM5/3/12
to
On 5/3/12 8:37 PM, Robert Bannister wrote:
> On 3/05/12 10:06 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed, there was a lot about Bewitched that one might have also found
>>> in the later television series Bridget Loves Bernie, about a mixed
>>> marriage - of the sort found in a preceding comedic series on radio,
>>> Abie's Irish Rose.
>>
>>
>> One thing I remember from Bewitched was Darin dressing up as Santa
>> Claus to put the presents under the tree, with Tabatha saying "Daddy"
>> to his dismay. The *real* Santa shows up later.
>>
>> I never heard of the idea of a Dad dressing up in a Santa suit to put
>> out presents. It seemed weirder than the rest of the show's tropes.
>
> How very odd. Dad dresses up as Father Christmas in many, many families,
> at least until the kids are about six or seven.
I've seen that in old TV shows and movies on occasion, but never
> On 3/05/12 10:06 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed, there was a lot about Bewitched that one might have also found
>>> in the later television series Bridget Loves Bernie, about a mixed
>>> marriage - of the sort found in a preceding comedic series on radio,
>>> Abie's Irish Rose.
>>
>>
>> One thing I remember from Bewitched was Darin dressing up as Santa
>> Claus to put the presents under the tree, with Tabatha saying "Daddy"
>> to his dismay. The *real* Santa shows up later.
>>
>> I never heard of the idea of a Dad dressing up in a Santa suit to put
>> out presents. It seemed weirder than the rest of the show's tropes.
>
> How very odd. Dad dresses up as Father Christmas in many, many families,
> at least until the kids are about six or seven.
encountered anyone whose family had actually done that.
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/^\
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Wayne Throop
May 3, 2012, 9:42:00 PM5/3/12
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::: One thing I remember from Bewitched was Darin dressing up as Santa
: I've seen that in old TV shows and movies on occasion, but never
claus" song, but it'd be entirely possible he was about to go to a party,
or act the part for a benefit, or other sundry business. Or, I suppose,
could be just seasonally themed sex play. In any event, something more
probable than just spoofing the kids. But while it was easy enough
to grok the meme, it was entirely foreign, like these people were from
another planet or something.
::: Claus to put the presents under the tree, with Tabatha saying
::: "Daddy" to his dismay. The *real* Santa shows up later.
:::
::: I never heard of the idea of a Dad dressing up in a Santa suit to
::: put out presents. It seemed weirder than the rest of the show's
::: tropes.
:: How very odd. Dad dresses up as Father Christmas in many, many
:: families, at least until the kids are about six or seven.
: "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com>
::: "Daddy" to his dismay. The *real* Santa shows up later.
:::
::: I never heard of the idea of a Dad dressing up in a Santa suit to
::: put out presents. It seemed weirder than the rest of the show's
::: tropes.
:: How very odd. Dad dresses up as Father Christmas in many, many
:: families, at least until the kids are about six or seven.
: I've seen that in old TV shows and movies on occasion, but never
: encountered anyone whose family had actually done that.
Ditto. The other vector for the meme is the "I saw mommy kissing santa
claus" song, but it'd be entirely possible he was about to go to a party,
or act the part for a benefit, or other sundry business. Or, I suppose,
could be just seasonally themed sex play. In any event, something more
probable than just spoofing the kids. But while it was easy enough
to grok the meme, it was entirely foreign, like these people were from
another planet or something.
Dorothy J Heydt
May 3, 2012, 10:14:25 PM5/3/12
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Howard Brazee
May 3, 2012, 10:23:30 PM5/3/12
to
On Thu, 03 May 2012 21:33:02 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>> I never heard of the idea of a Dad dressing up in a Santa suit to put
>>> out presents. It seemed weirder than the rest of the show's tropes.
>>
>> How very odd. Dad dresses up as Father Christmas in many, many families,
>> at least until the kids are about six or seven.
>
> I've seen that in old TV shows and movies on occasion, but never
>encountered anyone whose family had actually done that.
For one thing - who wants to rent or purchase a Santa suit?
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>> I never heard of the idea of a Dad dressing up in a Santa suit to put
>>> out presents. It seemed weirder than the rest of the show's tropes.
>>
>> How very odd. Dad dresses up as Father Christmas in many, many families,
>> at least until the kids are about six or seven.
>
> I've seen that in old TV shows and movies on occasion, but never
>encountered anyone whose family had actually done that.
But if it's obvious that it is role play, that could be good at
avoiding trauma of the kids finding out that they have been lied to.
Dorothy J Heydt
May 3, 2012, 10:16:56 PM5/3/12
to
In article <jnvbke$473$1...@dont-email.me>,
Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and another one that says "Santa
Claus looks just like my daddy, but he can't kiss my mommy good
night."
/shrug
I actually remember putting out milk and cookies. I must've been
about four.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and another one that says "Santa
Claus looks just like my daddy, but he can't kiss my mommy good
night."
/shrug
I actually remember putting out milk and cookies. I must've been
about four.
Butch Malahide
May 3, 2012, 11:22:41 PM5/3/12
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On May 3, 9:16 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
>
> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
1950s.
James Nicoll
May 3, 2012, 11:32:53 PM5/3/12
to
In article <1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Context: FASS is a local theatre group I rejoined after a 15 year absence.
Most of the cast and crew is about half my age.
The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to describe what
the actor doing that night's cameo was like. "Imagine Brian Blessed
if he was less restrained."
"Who's Brian Blessed?
Most of the cast and crew is about half my age.
The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to describe what
the actor doing that night's cameo was like. "Imagine Brian Blessed
if he was less restrained."
"Who's Brian Blessed?
Joe Pfeiffer
May 4, 2012, 12:49:25 AM5/4/12
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ever heard of a family that actually did it.
While my kids learned at an early age that they should put out Myers's &
Coke for Santa (milk? Bah humbug!), I've never actually worn a Santa
costume.
Robert Carnegie
May 4, 2012, 3:05:06 AM5/4/12
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On Friday, May 4, 2012 3:14:25 AM UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <a0gmb0...@mid.individual.net>,
> Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >On 3/05/12 9:21 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> In article<a0dt10...@mid.individual.net>,
> >> Robert Bannister<rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2/05/12 7:17 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> >>>> Witches, djinns - I think I'd award the modernity to BEWITCHED.
> >>>> Even if there are characters appearing who remember Salem and
> >>>> so forth. And maybe King Saul. (I'm thinking of Endora, are
> >>>> there real people with that name?)
> >>>
> >>> Isn't it a place in LotR where the wicked witch was queen?
> >>
> >> You mean Beruthiel? She was queen of Gondor, as far as I recall.
> >>
> >Sorry. Not LotR, but the bible: the witch of Endor.
>
> Whom Saul consulted, yes. How did LotR come into it?
Both well-known large trilogies?
> In article <a0gmb0...@mid.individual.net>,
> Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >On 3/05/12 9:21 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> In article<a0dt10...@mid.individual.net>,
> >> Robert Bannister<rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2/05/12 7:17 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> >>>> Witches, djinns - I think I'd award the modernity to BEWITCHED.
> >>>> Even if there are characters appearing who remember Salem and
> >>>> so forth. And maybe King Saul. (I'm thinking of Endora, are
> >>>> there real people with that name?)
> >>>
> >>> Isn't it a place in LotR where the wicked witch was queen?
> >>
> >> You mean Beruthiel? She was queen of Gondor, as far as I recall.
> >>
> >Sorry. Not LotR, but the bible: the witch of Endor.
>
> Whom Saul consulted, yes. How did LotR come into it?
"Another d-mn'd thick, square book! Always, scribble, scribble,
scribble! Eh!"
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
May 4, 2012, 3:20:48 AM5/4/12
to
In article <jnvil5$q54$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
stories in 1969 and asked if they had power lawnmowers then. I informed
him that, yes, in the year we put a man on the moon, power lawnmowers
had been thought of.
James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On May 3, 9:16 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
>>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
>>
>>Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
>>lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
>>1950s.
>
>Context: FASS is a local theatre group I rejoined after a 15 year absence.
>Most of the cast and crew is about half my age.
>
>The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to describe what
>the actor doing that night's cameo was like. "Imagine Brian Blessed
>if he was less restrained."
>
>"Who's Brian Blessed?
I remember that a kid I was in a writing group with had set one of his
>In article <1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On May 3, 9:16 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
>>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
>>
>>Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
>>lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
>>1950s.
>
>Context: FASS is a local theatre group I rejoined after a 15 year absence.
>Most of the cast and crew is about half my age.
>
>The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to describe what
>the actor doing that night's cameo was like. "Imagine Brian Blessed
>if he was less restrained."
>
>"Who's Brian Blessed?
stories in 1969 and asked if they had power lawnmowers then. I informed
him that, yes, in the year we put a man on the moon, power lawnmowers
had been thought of.
Robert Carnegie
May 4, 2012, 3:14:04 AM5/4/12
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On Friday, May 4, 2012 3:23:30 AM UTC+1, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Thu, 03 May 2012 21:33:02 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
> <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I never heard of the idea of a Dad dressing up in a Santa suit to put
> >>> out presents. It seemed weirder than the rest of the show's tropes.
> >>
> >> How very odd. Dad dresses up as Father Christmas in many, many families,
> >> at least until the kids are about six or seven.
> >
> > I've seen that in old TV shows and movies on occasion, but never
> >encountered anyone whose family had actually done that.
>
>
> For one thing - who wants to rent or purchase a Santa suit?
>
> But if it's obvious that it is role play, that could be good at
> avoiding trauma of the kids finding out that they have been lied to.
Yeah... but I'm not sure how you get away with
> On Thu, 03 May 2012 21:33:02 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
> <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I never heard of the idea of a Dad dressing up in a Santa suit to put
> >>> out presents. It seemed weirder than the rest of the show's tropes.
> >>
> >> How very odd. Dad dresses up as Father Christmas in many, many families,
> >> at least until the kids are about six or seven.
> >
> > I've seen that in old TV shows and movies on occasion, but never
> >encountered anyone whose family had actually done that.
>
>
> For one thing - who wants to rent or purchase a Santa suit?
>
> But if it's obvious that it is role play, that could be good at
> avoiding trauma of the kids finding out that they have been lied to.
it /once/.
There's the song by Greg Lake:
"And I believed in Father Christmas,
And I looked to the sky with excited eyes,
Then I woke with a yawn in the first light of dawn,
And I saw him and through his disguise."
But apparently that's making a deeper point about
whether Father Christmas (and the principle of
acquisition) belongs in Christmas:
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=4121
David DeLaney
May 4, 2012, 5:10:53 AM5/4/12
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Dave "maybe the horse has learnt to sing" DeLaney
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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Michael Stemper
May 4, 2012, 8:09:30 AM5/4/12
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May 4, 2012, 8:13:27 AM5/4/12
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In article <1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> writes:
It might be depressing, but it has already been documented:
<http://xkcd.com/988/>
<http://xkcd.com/988/>
jack...@bright.net
May 4, 2012, 9:09:10 AM5/4/12
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On Wed, 2 May 2012 15:43:38 +0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
>In article <a0bu7p...@mid.individual.net>,
"Mister Ed", sometimes a Flying Nun is just a Flying Nun.
--
-Jack
Nicoll) wrote:
>In article <a0bu7p...@mid.individual.net>,
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>In article <1br4v3m...@pfeifferfamily.net>,
>>Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>>Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
>>>to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
>>>marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
>>>enough to actually rewatch it, though....
>>
>>Quite a bit if the episode guide I was reading recently was accurate.
>
>>>Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
>>>to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
>>>marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
>>>enough to actually rewatch it, though....
>>
>>Quite a bit if the episode guide I was reading recently was accurate.
>
>It could also be seen a metaphor for gays and bisexuals in America
>of the 1960s.
Wouldn't that be "My Favorite Martian"? I hesitate to ask about
>of the 1960s.
"Mister Ed", sometimes a Flying Nun is just a Flying Nun.
--
-Jack
tphile2
May 4, 2012, 9:16:16 AM5/4/12
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On May 4, 8:09 am, jackb...@bright.net wrote:
> On Wed, 2 May 2012 15:43:38 +0000 (UTC), jdnic...@panix.com (James
>
> Nicoll) wrote:
> >In article <a0bu7pFk2...@mid.individual.net>,
and The Wild Wild West was filled with all kinds of gay cliches and
tropes. and its producer was flaming.
> On Wed, 2 May 2012 15:43:38 +0000 (UTC), jdnic...@panix.com (James
>
> Nicoll) wrote:
> >In article <a0bu7pFk2...@mid.individual.net>,
> >Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> >>In article <1br4v3mdan....@pfeifferfamily.net>,
> >>Joe Pfeiffer <pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> >>>Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
> >>>to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
> >>>marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
> >>>enough to actually rewatch it, though....
>
> >>Quite a bit if the episode guide I was reading recently was accurate.
>
> >It could also be seen a metaphor for gays and bisexuals in America
> >of the 1960s.
>
> Wouldn't that be "My Favorite Martian"? I hesitate to ask about
> "Mister Ed", sometimes a Flying Nun is just a Flying Nun.
>
> --
> -Jack
There is of course, Neil Simons The Odd Couple
> >>>Hmm, after checking my recollection with wikipedia, I'm curious to see
> >>>to what extent "Bewitched" could be seen as a metaphor for mixed
> >>>marriages (either religious or racial) in 1960s America. Not curious
> >>>enough to actually rewatch it, though....
>
> >>Quite a bit if the episode guide I was reading recently was accurate.
>
> >It could also be seen a metaphor for gays and bisexuals in America
> >of the 1960s.
>
> Wouldn't that be "My Favorite Martian"? I hesitate to ask about
> "Mister Ed", sometimes a Flying Nun is just a Flying Nun.
>
> --
> -Jack
and The Wild Wild West was filled with all kinds of gay cliches and
tropes. and its producer was flaming.
David Dyer-Bennet
May 4, 2012, 9:47:38 AM5/4/12
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Souls_.
> "Another d-mn'd thick, square book! Always, scribble, scribble,
> scribble! Eh!"
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Derek Lyons
May 4, 2012, 9:58:26 AM5/4/12
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D.
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
May 4, 2012, 10:15:41 AM5/4/12
to
On 5/3/12 11:32 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article<1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> Butch Malahide<fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 3, 9:16 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
>>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
>>
>> Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
>> lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
>> 1950s.
>
> Context: FASS is a local theatre group I rejoined after a 15 year absence.
> Most of the cast and crew is about half my age.
>
> The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to describe what
> the actor doing that night's cameo was like. "Imagine Brian Blessed
> if he was less restrained."
>
> "Who's Brian Blessed?
Well, did you SAY it right? You don't say, "Brian Blessed", you say
> In article<1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> Butch Malahide<fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 3, 9:16 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
>>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
>>
>> Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
>> lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
>> 1950s.
>
> Context: FASS is a local theatre group I rejoined after a 15 year absence.
> Most of the cast and crew is about half my age.
>
> The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to describe what
> the actor doing that night's cameo was like. "Imagine Brian Blessed
> if he was less restrained."
>
> "Who's Brian Blessed?
"BRIAN BLESSED!!!!!"
Robert Carnegie
May 4, 2012, 11:09:46 AM5/4/12
to
On Friday, May 4, 2012 3:15:41 PM UTC+1, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> On 5/3/12 11:32 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
> > In article<1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > Butch Malahide<fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On May 3, 9:16 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
> >>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
> >> lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
> >> 1950s.
> >
> > Context: FASS is a local theatre group I rejoined after a 15 year absence.
> > Most of the cast and crew is about half my age.
> >
> > The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to describe what
> > the actor doing that night's cameo was like. "Imagine Brian Blessed
> > if he was less restrained."
> >
> > "Who's Brian Blessed?
>
> Well, did you SAY it right? You don't say, "Brian Blessed", you say
> "BRIAN BLESSED!!!!!"
Surely the dear old fellow's real name is Gordon Zalyve.
> On 5/3/12 11:32 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
> > In article<1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > Butch Malahide<fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On May 3, 9:16 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
> >>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
> >> lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
> >> 1950s.
> >
> > Context: FASS is a local theatre group I rejoined after a 15 year absence.
> > Most of the cast and crew is about half my age.
> >
> > The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to describe what
> > the actor doing that night's cameo was like. "Imagine Brian Blessed
> > if he was less restrained."
> >
> > "Who's Brian Blessed?
>
> Well, did you SAY it right? You don't say, "Brian Blessed", you say
> "BRIAN BLESSED!!!!!"
The Doctor
May 4, 2012, 11:18:58 AM5/4/12
to
>In article <1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On May 3, 9:16 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
>>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
>>
>>Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
>>lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
>>1950s.
>
>Context: FASS is a local theatre group I rejoined after a 15 year absence.
>Most of the cast and crew is about half my age.
>
>The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to describe what
>the actor doing that night's cameo was like. "Imagine Brian Blessed
>if he was less restrained."
>
>"Who's Brian Blessed?
>--
Even seen Doctor Who or BlackAdder?
>Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On May 3, 9:16 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
>>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
>>
>>Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
>>lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
>>1950s.
>
>Context: FASS is a local theatre group I rejoined after a 15 year absence.
>Most of the cast and crew is about half my age.
>
>The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to describe what
>the actor doing that night's cameo was like. "Imagine Brian Blessed
>if he was less restrained."
>
>"Who's Brian Blessed?
>--
--
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Kip Williams
May 4, 2012, 11:24:23 AM5/4/12
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tphile2 wrote:
> There is of course, Neil Simons The Odd Couple
> and The Wild Wild West was filled with all kinds of gay cliches and
> tropes. and its producer was flaming.
Robert Conrad was just poured into those pants.
> There is of course, Neil Simons The Odd Couple
> and The Wild Wild West was filled with all kinds of gay cliches and
> tropes. and its producer was flaming.
Kip W
rasfw
The thing about the series that grates now is its apparent disdain for
women.
James Nicoll
May 4, 2012, 11:42:16 AM5/4/12
to
In article <jo0s12$qpo$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
If we're talking Old Who, it went off the air in 1989, or about two
to six years before the undergrads in FASS* were born. BLACKADDER
GOES FORTH is of similar vintage.
As I pointed out on the group's FB site, next year's frosh will be
younger than the boardgame Settlers of Catan (that said, I still
arranged to get a Widget reference into the script).
* FASS = Faculty, Alumni, Staff and Students, a UW theater group.
The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>In article <jnvil5$q54$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>In article
><1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>>Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On May 3, 9:16 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
>>>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
>>>
>>>Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
>>>lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
>>>1950s.
>>
>>Context: FASS is a local theatre group I rejoined after a 15 year absence.
>>Most of the cast and crew is about half my age.
>>
>>The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to describe what
>>the actor doing that night's cameo was like. "Imagine Brian Blessed
>>if he was less restrained."
>>
>>"Who's Brian Blessed?
>
>In article <jnvil5$q54$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>In article
><1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>>Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On May 3, 9:16 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
>>>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
>>>
>>>Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
>>>lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
>>>1950s.
>>
>>Context: FASS is a local theatre group I rejoined after a 15 year absence.
>>Most of the cast and crew is about half my age.
>>
>>The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to describe what
>>the actor doing that night's cameo was like. "Imagine Brian Blessed
>>if he was less restrained."
>>
>>"Who's Brian Blessed?
>
>Even seen Doctor Who or BlackAdder?
*I* have.
If we're talking Old Who, it went off the air in 1989, or about two
to six years before the undergrads in FASS* were born. BLACKADDER
GOES FORTH is of similar vintage.
As I pointed out on the group's FB site, next year's frosh will be
younger than the boardgame Settlers of Catan (that said, I still
arranged to get a Widget reference into the script).
* FASS = Faculty, Alumni, Staff and Students, a UW theater group.
Dorothy J Heydt
May 4, 2012, 12:17:09 PM5/4/12
to
In article <4408788.545.1336115106145.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbki8>,
Um ... trilogy? LotR, in form, is actually that nineteenth-century
mainstay, the three-volume novel.
The Bible is either a duology or a compendium, depending on
whether you count two Testaments or each individual "book." In
which case LotR is a hexalogy.
But I'm sure everyone remembers the old meme of the Bible as an
Ace Double, "Master of Chaos" backed with "The Thing With Three
Souls."
mainstay, the three-volume novel.
The Bible is either a duology or a compendium, depending on
whether you count two Testaments or each individual "book." In
which case LotR is a hexalogy.
But I'm sure everyone remembers the old meme of the Bible as an
Ace Double, "Master of Chaos" backed with "The Thing With Three
Souls."
Wayne Throop
May 4, 2012, 12:46:29 PM5/4/12
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:: Wouldn't that be "My Favorite Martian"? I hesitate to ask about
: This. Too many people invent metaphors ex post facto.
Well, since one of the greek meanings of the root "meta"
is "after", it does seem appropriate, somehow.
How I need a drink, alcoholic of course,
after the heavy chapters involving quantum mechanics.
:: "Mister Ed", sometimes a Flying Nun is just a Flying Nun.
: fair...@gmail.com (Derek Lyons)
: This. Too many people invent metaphors ex post facto.
Well, since one of the greek meanings of the root "meta"
is "after", it does seem appropriate, somehow.
How I need a drink, alcoholic of course,
after the heavy chapters involving quantum mechanics.
Kip Williams
May 4, 2012, 12:59:34 PM5/4/12
to
Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> But I'm sure everyone remembers the old meme of the Bible as an
> Ace Double, "Master of Chaos" backed with "The Thing With Three
> Souls."
As clearly as if it were posted to this thread three hours ago.
> But I'm sure everyone remembers the old meme of the Bible as an
> Ace Double, "Master of Chaos" backed with "The Thing With Three
> Souls."
Kip W
rasfw
Wayne Throop
May 4, 2012, 12:50:54 PM5/4/12
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: mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
: Ditto. Also, there's the classic song, "I saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus".
Is this before or after she sent him to Skiffander?
'Cause I suppose Agatha could see them through the time portal.
No, wait, that's "Claus" not "Klaus". Nevermind.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20071225
: Ditto. Also, there's the classic song, "I saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus".
Is this before or after she sent him to Skiffander?
'Cause I suppose Agatha could see them through the time portal.
No, wait, that's "Claus" not "Klaus". Nevermind.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20071225
William December Starr
May 4, 2012, 2:14:33 PM5/4/12
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In article <ucj7q75r8tudg237e...@4ax.com>,
jack...@bright.net said:
> jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>> It could also be seen a metaphor for gays and bisexuals in
>> America of the 1960s.
>
> Wouldn't that be "My Favorite Martian"? I hesitate to ask about
> "Mister Ed",
Our own Sea Wasp put it best back in 2006:
"Why HELLOOOOOOOOooo, Wiiiilbur! It's me -- BEEELZEBUB!
C'mon, you didn't really think a horse could talk, did you?"
> sometimes a Flying Nun is just a Flying Nun.
Ever hear Harlan Ellison tell the story of how he wrote an episode
of that? "Basically, I was hoping I might get next to Sally Field."
(Note: he didn't.)
-- wds
jack...@bright.net said:
> jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>> It could also be seen a metaphor for gays and bisexuals in
>> America of the 1960s.
>
> Wouldn't that be "My Favorite Martian"? I hesitate to ask about
> "Mister Ed",
"Why HELLOOOOOOOOooo, Wiiiilbur! It's me -- BEEELZEBUB!
C'mon, you didn't really think a horse could talk, did you?"
> sometimes a Flying Nun is just a Flying Nun.
of that? "Basically, I was hoping I might get next to Sally Field."
(Note: he didn't.)
-- wds
Brett Dunbar
May 4, 2012, 2:16:58 PM5/4/12
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In message <jo0h56$k40$2...@dont-email.me>, Michael Stemper
<mste...@walkabout.empros.com> writes
twenty most played from 2009
<http://www.ppluk.com/en/About-Us/News/Press/All-I-Want-For-Christmas-Is-
You-announced-as-the-PPL-most-played-Christmas-song-of-the-decade/>
1 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey
2 Last Christmas, Wham
3 Fairytale Of New York, The Pogues featuring Kirsty McColl
4 Merry Xmas Everbody, Slade
5 I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday, Wizzard
6 Do They Know It's Christmas?, Band Aid
7 Driving Home For Christmas, Chris Rea
8 Stop The Cavalry, Jona Lewie
9 White Christmas, Bing Crosby
10 Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow!, Dean Martin
11 I Believe In Father Christmas, Greg Lake
12 Wonderful Christmas Time, Paul McCartney
13 Merry Christmas Everyone, Shakin' Stevens
14 Step Into Christmas, Elton John
15 The Power Of Love, Frankie Goes To Hollywood
16 Happly Xmas (War Is Over), John and Yoko
17 Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree, Brenda Lee
18 Winter Wonderland, Darlene Love
19 Stay Another Day, East 17
20 2000 Miles, The Pretenders
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Brett Dunbar
<mste...@walkabout.empros.com> writes
>In article
><1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> writes:
>>On May 3, 9:16=A0pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
>>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
>>
>>Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
>>lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
>>1950s.
>
>It might be depressing, but it has already been documented:
>
><http://xkcd.com/988/>
>
That's the US list, the UK Christmas song list is quite different. The
><1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> writes:
>>On May 3, 9:16=A0pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
>>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
>>
>>Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
>>lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
>>1950s.
>
>It might be depressing, but it has already been documented:
>
><http://xkcd.com/988/>
>
twenty most played from 2009
<http://www.ppluk.com/en/About-Us/News/Press/All-I-Want-For-Christmas-Is-
You-announced-as-the-PPL-most-played-Christmas-song-of-the-decade/>
1 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey
2 Last Christmas, Wham
3 Fairytale Of New York, The Pogues featuring Kirsty McColl
4 Merry Xmas Everbody, Slade
5 I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday, Wizzard
6 Do They Know It's Christmas?, Band Aid
7 Driving Home For Christmas, Chris Rea
8 Stop The Cavalry, Jona Lewie
9 White Christmas, Bing Crosby
10 Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow!, Dean Martin
11 I Believe In Father Christmas, Greg Lake
12 Wonderful Christmas Time, Paul McCartney
13 Merry Christmas Everyone, Shakin' Stevens
14 Step Into Christmas, Elton John
15 The Power Of Love, Frankie Goes To Hollywood
16 Happly Xmas (War Is Over), John and Yoko
17 Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree, Brenda Lee
18 Winter Wonderland, Darlene Love
19 Stay Another Day, East 17
20 2000 Miles, The Pretenders
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Brett Dunbar
William December Starr
May 4, 2012, 2:20:26 PM5/4/12
to
In article <jo0oad$23u$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
> James Nicoll wrote:
>
>> The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to
>> describe what the actor doing that night's cameo was
>> like. "Imagine Brian Blessed if he was less restrained."
>>
>> "Who's Brian Blessed?
>
> Well, did you SAY it right? You don't say, "Brian Blessed",
> you say "BRIAN BLESSED!!!!!"
"Did somebody order A LARGE HAM?!"
-- wds
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
> James Nicoll wrote:
>
>> The moment during FASS when I felt oldest: I was trying to
>> describe what the actor doing that night's cameo was
>> like. "Imagine Brian Blessed if he was less restrained."
>>
>> "Who's Brian Blessed?
>
> Well, did you SAY it right? You don't say, "Brian Blessed",
> you say "BRIAN BLESSED!!!!!"
-- wds
Dorothy J Heydt
May 4, 2012, 4:42:25 PM5/4/12
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In article <WVTor.22775$M37....@newsfe01.iad>,
Ah, remember the nature of USENET: that something you saw three
hours before my post was something I saw twenty minutes after
posting. There's a word for this characteristic, but I've
forgotten it.
hours before my post was something I saw twenty minutes after
posting. There's a word for this characteristic, but I've
forgotten it.
Michael Stemper
May 4, 2012, 4:54:44 PM5/4/12
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In article <64tBgjma...@dimetrodon.demon.co.uk>, Brett Dunbar <br...@dimetrodon.me.uk> writes:
>In message <jo0h56$k40$2...@dont-email.me>, Michael Stemper <mste...@walkabout.empros.com> writes
>>In article <1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> writes:
>>>On May 3, 9:16=A0pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
>>>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
>>>
>>>Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
>>>lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
>>>1950s.
>>
>>It might be depressing, but it has already been documented:
>>
>><http://xkcd.com/988/>
>
>
>That's the US list, the UK Christmas song list is quite different. The
>twenty most played from 2009
><http://www.ppluk.com/en/About-Us/News/Press/All-I-Want-For-Christmas-Is-
>You-announced-as-the-PPL-most-played-Christmas-song-of-the-decade/>
Wow. Your list contains much more recent music than the US list. That's
>In message <jo0h56$k40$2...@dont-email.me>, Michael Stemper <mste...@walkabout.empros.com> writes
>>In article <1c443981-8d69-4725...@gn8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> writes:
>>>On May 3, 9:16=A0pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>> Neither have I, but there are these traditional songs, "I Saw
>>>> Mommy Kissing Santa Claus," and [. . .]
>>>
>>>Thanks a lot. It's kind of depressing that songs written in my
>>>lifetime are now "traditional". Their origins lost in the mists of the
>>>1950s.
>>
>>It might be depressing, but it has already been documented:
>>
>><http://xkcd.com/988/>
>
>
>That's the US list, the UK Christmas song list is quite different. The
>twenty most played from 2009
><http://www.ppluk.com/en/About-Us/News/Press/All-I-Want-For-Christmas-Is-
>You-announced-as-the-PPL-most-played-Christmas-song-of-the-decade/>
an interesting cultural difference.
Sadly for Butch, it appears to move "I Saw Mommy ..." from the realm
of "traditional" to "pre-historic".
--
Michael F. Stemper
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Robert Carnegie
May 4, 2012, 5:13:14 PM5/4/12
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Christmas_Song
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Time_%28Don%27t_Let_the_Bells_End%29
...now that I've got over puzzling where "500 Miles"
by The Proclaimers fits in and why they got the
title wrong. Maybe because it was used in _Shrek_
...oh. ;-)
Kip Williams
May 4, 2012, 5:31:40 PM5/4/12
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Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article<WVTor.22775$M37....@newsfe01.iad>,
> Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>
>>> But I'm sure everyone remembers the old meme of the Bible as an
>>> Ace Double, "Master of Chaos" backed with "The Thing With Three
>>> Souls."
>>
>> As clearly as if it were posted to this thread three hours ago.
>
> Ah, remember the nature of USENET: that something you saw three
> hours before my post was something I saw twenty minutes after
> posting. There's a word for this characteristic, but I've
> forgotten it.
Oh, I know, but I couldn't resist.
> In article<WVTor.22775$M37....@newsfe01.iad>,
> Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>
>>> But I'm sure everyone remembers the old meme of the Bible as an
>>> Ace Double, "Master of Chaos" backed with "The Thing With Three
>>> Souls."
>>
>> As clearly as if it were posted to this thread three hours ago.
>
> Ah, remember the nature of USENET: that something you saw three
> hours before my post was something I saw twenty minutes after
> posting. There's a word for this characteristic, but I've
> forgotten it.
Don't worry, karma will get me.
Kip W
rasfw
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