Can somebody explain to me the demographics and production values of Dr. Who
bozo
-BdN-
Traveler
Well you clearly are.
Ken from Chicago
"bozo" <Bozo_D...@37.com> wrote in message
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> Is it an inside joke or what?
>
> -BdN-
Those more interested in story, writing and acting than fx.
-- Ken from Chicago
Paul Ciszek
In article <ca44b4a7-ce90-496f...@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
British TV uses cardboard spacecraft and three-dimensional characters.
American TV does it the other way around.
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Eric Walker
> Is it an inside joke or what?
It would help to know whether you mean the currently running series or
the "classic" series.
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Stephen O'Connell
> Is it an inside joke or what?
No, but it's obviously too complex for you to understand, so stick to
Heroes!
Ken from Chicago
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Would the answer differ?
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
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>
> In article
> <ca44b4a7-ce90-496f...@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
> bozo <Bozo_D...@37.com> wrote:
>>Is it an inside joke or what?
>
> British TV uses cardboard spacecraft and three-dimensional characters.
> American TV does it the other way around.
Nice. Tho to be fair, fx have gotten cheaper and better to allow viewers to
not have to work so hard to suspend disbelief.
-- Ken from Chicago
Eric Walker
> "Eric Walker" <webm...@greatsfandf.com> wrote in message
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>
>> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:16:07 -0700, bozo wrote:
>>
>>> Is it an inside joke or what?
>>
>> It would help to know whether you mean the currently running series or
>> the "classic" series.
>
> Would the answer differ?
I think so. "Effects" in the "classic" series were a distinct part of
their charm (a remark which may tick off those who look on them as action-
adventure episodes rather than as comedies of manners), something like
the operations of bunraku--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunraku#Elements_of_the_form
Things like the wooden and often visibly flimsy TARDIS controls, usually
with a visible power cable snaking off, invite us to participate in an
especially pleasing "willing suspension of disbelief".
Personally, I miss that quality in the new series, which asks us to take
it seriously, on several levels.
bozo
> In article <ca44b4a7-ce90-496f-beb1-ba993cc90...@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:
> >Is it an inside joke or what?
>
> British TV uses cardboard spacecraft and three-dimensional characters.
> American TV does it the other way around.
>
> --
> Please reply to: | "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is
> pciszek at panix dot com | indistinguishable from malice."
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LOL ROFL
-BdN-
bozo
Thanks everyone, it's the most laughs I've had since my name was
entered in a celebrity death pool.
-bdn-
Stevie fae Cardross
> In article <ca44b4a7-ce90-496f-beb1-ba993cc90...@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >Is it an inside joke or what?
>
> British TV uses cardboard spacecraft and three-dimensional characters.
> American TV does it the other way around.
>
> --
> Please reply to: | "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is
> pciszek at panix dot com | indistinguishable from malice."
> Autoreply is disabled |
MY ukpounds 0.02 on the matter is the demographic (of the reboot) is
everybody, One of Russel T Davis' strengths has been to bring back
family viewing. Apparently he is now to move to Hollywood, to work in
TV over there.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Drastically, as the New Who has reasonable effects and sets.
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Charlton Wilbur
b> Can somebody explain to me the demographics and production values
b> of Dr. Who?
Generally, the subject of your post is a *summary* of its content, and
not the majority of its content.
b> Is it an inside joke or what?
Old Doctor Who was made with the production values of the time --
compare it to any 1960s or 1970s science fiction TV show, especially
those made before Star Wars, and it will come out at least as well.
Newer Doctor Who is also made with the production values of the time --
compare it to any currently made science fiction show and you'll find
that it's at least as good.
Both incarnations of the show tend to be wittier and more literate than
their American contemporaries. If it is an inside joke, it's an inside
joke that has been amusing and entertaining people for over 40 years.
Charlton
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Anim8rFSK
<c9762f97-463e-4975...@b14g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
bozo <Bozo_D...@37.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 5:16�pm, bozo <Bozo De N...@37.com> wrote:
> > Is it an inside joke or what?
> >
> > -BdN-
>
> Thanks everyone, it's the most laughs I've had since my name was
> entered in a celebrity death pool.
>
> -bdn-
Did you win?
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Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
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PV
>Is it an inside joke or what?
Leaving aside I should probably just say 'fuck you', the serious answer is
that it's a kid's show which has had some pains made to make it also
entertaining for adults who's brain hasn't calcified yet. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
Mac Breck
There's no need to trash Heroes to defend Dr. Who.
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Fiona: Get out.
Eddie: Out of the kitchen?
Fiona: Out of the kitchen, out of the flat, out of London, out of the
world. It's full. Get out.
Eddie: I can't get out of the world. I didn't pull the kind of math
grades you need to qualify for the space program.
PV
>Personally, I miss that quality in the new series, which asks us to take
>it seriously, on several levels.
Oh, I don't think so. It doesn't require you to work as hard to ignore
stone walls wobbling like the cardboard they really are, or to ignore the
obvious zippers on the backs of aliens, but it is still played in a not at
all serious manner.
I get that you think the cheese was part of the charm, and I even agree to
some extent, but the loss of that aspect is made up for by better acting
and more consistently entertaining stories. We all love Doctor Who, but you
have to admit that sometimes it was really hard to love. *
PV
>Thanks everyone, it's the most laughs I've had since my name was
>entered in a celebrity death pool.
So, people answering an asshole question, asked by an asshole, seriously
and with a little thought, is "the most laughs"? Wow, you must be really
easily amused, dickhead. *
Stevie fae Cardross
Richard R. Hershberger
> bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> writes:
> >Thanks everyone, it's the most laughs I've had since my name was
> >entered in a celebrity death pool.
>
> So, people answering an asshole question, asked by an asshole, seriously
> and with a little thought, is "the most laughs"? Wow, you must be really
> easily amused, dickhead.
He is pleased with himself for being a troll, and thinks this a
particularly successful example of trolling. Which is more sad is
left as an exercise for the student.
Charlton Wilbur
SfC> On 30 June, 16:14, pv+use...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
>> I get that you think the cheese was part of the charm, and I even
>> agree to some extent, but the loss of that aspect is made up for
>> by better acting and more consistently entertaining stories. We
>> all love Doctor Who, but you have to admit that sometimes it was
>> really hard to love.
SfC> Sylvester McCoy era IMHO.
Oh, they tried to make it as hard as possible to love with Colin Baker.
And it took them two series of Sylvester McCoy to figure out what they
were doing wrong.
But then they produced a series that showed that they had figured out
what they were doing wrong, and that they were getting back to the
things that made the Tom Baker era great -- and that was the last
series before the dreadful US TV movie.
PV
He did the best he could with some unbelievably terrible stories, as
contrasted with Colin Baker, who took unbelievably terrible stories and
made you hate them even more because his character was psychotic. *
Stephen O'Connell
> Stephen O'Connell wrote:
>> bozo wrote:
>>> Is it an inside joke or what?
>>
>> No, but it's obviously too complex for you to understand, so stick to
>> Heroes!
>
> There's no need to trash Heroes to defend Dr. Who.
I'd love to not trash Heroes at all, as I really loved the first season!
Unfortunately after that it went downhill. So I'll stick to my old X-Men
comics and Doctor Who, of course! Heroes is not really that good a
programme now.
Jack Tingle
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> Stephen O'Connell wrote:
>> bozo wrote:
>>> Is it an inside joke or what?
>>
>> No, but it's obviously too complex for you to understand, so stick to
>> Heroes!
>
> There's no need to trash Heroes to defend Dr. Who.
Need, no, but it is a nice fringe benefit. :)
Regards,
Jack Tingle
Jacey Bedford
<no....@fk.u.com> writes
switched off plot-critical faculties. I thought it picked up well in
Season Three.
Jacey
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Jon Schild
Paul Ciszek wrote:
> In article <ca44b4a7-ce90-496f...@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
> bozo <Bozo_D...@37.com> wrote:
>
>>Is it an inside joke or what?
>
>
> British TV uses cardboard spacecraft and three-dimensional characters.
> American TV does it the other way around.
>
So far as I can tell, generalizations like this are more based on
cultural bias than any form of fact.
But even then, all I have seen of Dr. Who has cardboard spaceships,
aliens that wouldn't scare a paranoid kitten, cardboard characters,
incomprehensible stories, and absolutely nothing of value in any
direction. That is not true of all British or American TV, just Dr. Who.
--
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Mike Schilling
> Paul Ciszek wrote:
>> In article
>> <ca44b4a7-ce90-496f...@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
>> bozo <Bozo_D...@37.com> wrote:
>>> Is it an inside joke or what?
>>
>>
>> British TV uses cardboard spacecraft and three-dimensional
>> characters. American TV does it the other way around.
>>
>
> So far as I can tell, generalizations like this are more based on
> cultural bias than any form of fact.
American TV chooses actors, especially female ones, largely on the basis of
their looks. British TV does not: in fact, women playing characters who are
supposed to be gorgeous are often at best mildly attractive.
Pete B
@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Bozo_D...@37.com says...
> Is it an inside joke or what?
>
Its a "family" show, it pulls everyone from 10 to 80 in the UK - their
demographic is the licensepayers
Pete B
kwicker1...@comcast.net says...
Now they just need to work on the characters
Stephen O'Connell
It's called the 'woman next door' look. Real women don't look like they
do on American TV, where they get out of bed fully made-up and not a
hair out of place. (Well, none that I have lived with have anyway!)
Ken from Chicago
"PV" <pv+u...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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I think of as watching a play or local theater or school plays. There are
those who prefer the lower production values versus that of 21st century tv
or movies.
-- Ken from Chicago
Anthony Frost
Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
Tut sir, this being the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation, their target
demographic is licencepayers...
^
Anthony
Mac Breck
> Paul Ciszek wrote:
>> In article
>> <ca44b4a7-ce90-496f...@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
>> bozo <Bozo_D...@37.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is it an inside joke or what?
>>
>>
>> British TV uses cardboard spacecraft and three-dimensional
>> characters. American TV does it the other way around.
>>
>
> So far as I can tell, generalizations like this are more based on
> cultural bias than any form of fact.
>
> But even then, all I have seen of Dr. Who
That begs the question "What have you seen of Doctor Who?"
> has cardboard spaceships,
> aliens that wouldn't scare a paranoid kitten, cardboard characters,
> incomprehensible stories, and absolutely nothing of value in any
> direction.
Having seen only Doctor Who (2005+) Seasons 1 through 4, I'd say that
your comments above are ridiculous.
> That is not true of all British or American TV, just Dr.
> Who.
It depends upon the time period you're talking about. How about "Lost
in Space" (1965-1968) and "Battlestar Galactica" (1978-1979). :-P
IMHO, your comments fairly well describe those shows. I was watching
remastered TOS Trek "The Tholian Web" on Monday and was struck by how
cheesey the transporter room set looked, with lights going on and off
behind vertical, colored, translucent panels (which looked like they
were cheap shower enclosure material with some kind of bas-relief swirl
pattern on it) behind the transporter pads, and the floors sounding so
much like they were plywood. Want more examples of TOS cheese, just
look at just about any of the planetary sets, which are usually a few
fake boulders, fake plants and/or fake grass in front of a blue of beige
painted wall not even a matte painting (e.g. "The Man Trap" or "The
Galileo Seven" or "Metamorphosis"). The only way I can make it past
some of that stuff is because of nostalgia and remembering how I felt
when I first saw it back in 1968 on a 19" B&W TV.
I tried to watch "Dark Shadows" (1966), which some people love, and to
me it looked like a cheap, washed out, crappy, daytime soap. I can't
believe that it has an IMDb rating of 8.4.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0059978/ratings At best, I'd rate it as a
2, but then I was only able to make it through a couple of episodes
before turning it off. However, I see some people say similar things
about Babylon 5, which I rate highly, so who am I to judge? I only hope
that someday, they remaster Babylon 5 in Blu-Ray and spend the money
(Envisioning Warners execs. clutching their chests and having heart
attacks at the thought.) to raise the quality level of some of some of
the worst effects (e.g. when Sinclair first goes to meet Kosh in
"Midnight on the Firing Line" and Kosh is represented by somebody
shining a flashlight at the back of translucent shower enclosure
material in CO2 fog, Season 1 ship blowing up effects, etc.) and
eliminate the dust, scratches, ink splotches and other film
imperfections seen in the early seasons.
Robert Carnegie
> Stevie fae Cardross <stephenallcr...@lycos.co.uk> writes:
>
> >Sylvester McCoy era IMHO.
>
> He did the best he could with some unbelievably terrible stories, as
> contrasted with Colin Baker, who took unbelievably terrible stories and
> made you hate them even more because his character was psychotic. *
William Hartnell's Doctor Who was a jerk as well. We got into the
story because he decided to move the TARDIS on with two Earthlings on
board. The second story, he wanted to visit an alien city so he
sabotaged the TARDIS itself to create a need to search for, uh,
mercury. It turned out to be the Daleks' city. Classy move. I think
you were supposed to identify with the adult Earthlings and with the
Doctor's cute genius granddaughter. Later on, he became more
responsible.
The Doctor substantially changes personality when he regenerates into
a new actor. I suppose that with Colin Baker they were trying for the
antagonistic vibe, at first.
And of course: does any science fiction story need to happen? And
does it need to happen to Doctor Who? Or to the Starship Enterprise?
Or...
Robert Carnegie
At length. Nice hoax.
It's made in Wales now, which is amongst other things cheaper than
London. And there are a lot of jokes as well, yes, both between
characters and in the action. I think my favourite is at the start of
one episode where David Tennant and Billie Piper step out of the
TARDIS into a gloomy, shabby, futuristic industrial setting, he
remarks that the TARDIS seemed not to want to land and it might be
dangerous to stay, she points out they can just leave right away and
go somewhere safe, then they both throw back their heads and laugh and
laugh and laugh.
Having said that, after the one with the London bus apparently it's
going to stop being funny for a while.
The Doctor
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
REcall that Dr Who was a reflection of UK society in its time.
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Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
RTD for you.
erilar
Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
> In article <7bSdncKSA-IbSdTX...@giganews.com>,
> kwicker1...@comcast.net says...
> >
> > "Paul Ciszek" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:h2c84r$b4q$2...@reader1.panix.com...
> > > British TV uses cardboard spacecraft and three-dimensional characters.
> > > American TV does it the other way around.
> >
> > Nice. Tho to be fair, fx have gotten cheaper and better to allow viewers to
> > not have to work so hard to suspend disbelief.
>
> Now they just need to work on the characters
If I want to watch a cartoon, I'll go to a Pixar production. The movies
with the live "actors" overwhelmed by fx just don't pull me into the
theater. I have this bias toward characters vs cardboard cut-outs.
--
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that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov
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The Translucent Amoebae
wrote:
> "bozo" <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ca44b4a7-ce90-496f...@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Is it an inside joke or what?
>
> > -BdN-
>
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
That's clearly not it.
kim
Indeed it was Yads and to prove it here is a video showing how we all lived
back then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYkjKWe5X80
(kim)
Jack Bohn
>Jon Schild wrote:
>
>> has cardboard spaceships,
>> aliens that wouldn't scare a paranoid kitten, cardboard characters,
>> incomprehensible stories, and absolutely nothing of value in any
>> direction.
>
>> That is not true of all British or American TV, just Dr.
>> Who.
>
>It depends upon the time period you're talking about. How about "Lost
>in Space" (1965-1968) and "Battlestar Galactica" (1978-1979). :-P
To compare apples, oranges, and tomatoes of the same ripeness:
The 1965-1968 years of Doctor Who... mostly don't exist. But
"The Ark" and "The Gunfighters" represent the highs and lows
available, and the other two, "The War Machines" and "The Tomb of
the Cybermen" would be high in the middle. (1965-66 is also when
they tried the 13 episode saga of "The Dalek's Master Plan."
Alas, from the two episodes available it is not as epic as one
would hope. The episode set in the future is a bit more
evocative than Lost in Space, but the one set in Ancient Egypt
might as well be in Harrod's parking lot.)
1978-79 Has the fine "Horror of Fang Rock" and "Underworld," with
"The Invisible Enemy" showing their state of the art in
futuristic sets and special effects, with "The Invasion of Time"
a step below that, and "The Sun Makers maybe a few steps lower,
but having what I consider the archetypical Doctor dialog scene.
--
-Jack
Eric Walker
[...]
> . . . what I consider the archetypical Doctor dialog scene.
Would that be "Hello, I'm the Doctor, this is Romana, K-9--what seems to
be the problem?"
--
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Great Science-Fiction & Fantasy Works
http://greatsfandf.com
Now with forums.
The Doctor
Mac Breck
> In article <MPG.24b4cd40f...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <7bSdncKSA-IbSdTX...@giganews.com>,
>> kwicker1...@comcast.net says...
>>>
>>> "Paul Ciszek" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h2c84r$b4q$2...@reader1.panix.com...
>
>>>> British TV uses cardboard spacecraft and three-dimensional
>>>> characters. American TV does it the other way around.
>>>
>>> Nice. Tho to be fair, fx have gotten cheaper and better to allow
>>> viewers to not have to work so hard to suspend disbelief.
>>
>> Now they just need to work on the characters
>
> If I want to watch a cartoon, I'll go to a Pixar production. The
> movies with the live "actors" overwhelmed by fx just don't pull me
> into the theater. I have this bias toward characters vs cardboard
> cut-outs.
Then you should like Doctor Who (2005+). :-)
--
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-------------------------------
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Durkani: It doesn't matter if they believe us. Sooner or later the
truth's going to come out. The truth is....
Kendarr: ....out of fashion.
Nigel
> On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:10:08 -0400, Jack Bohn wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > . . . what I consider the archetypical Doctor dialog scene.
>
> Would that be "Hello, I'm the Doctor, this is Romana, K-9--what seems to
> be the problem?"
>
No its "Hello, I'm the Doctor and this is Romana. Would you like a
Jelly Baby ?"
Cheers,
Nigel.
Jack Bohn
Well, I was hoping someone would guess right, because I only
watched it once, and my memory ain't great, but:
The Doctor is wandering alone when he's caught by a rebel group
that believes he's an agent of the oppressive regime. They try
interrogating him, with the leader pointing a gun at his head and
giving him something like until the count of ten to talk. The
Doctor is telling him they aren't the type of people to use
casual violence, and not to adopt the methods they are fighting
against, and such, while the leader implacably counts. Finally,
at about six, the Doctor snaps out, "Seven!"
"Eight." counts their leader.
"Nine!" says the Doctor.
"...nine."
"Aha!" the Doctor holds up a finger, and, having made his point,
is ready to cooperate.
Really, to me that just says who he is.
--
-Jack
Robert Carnegie
> In article <MPG.24b4cd40f20a8a6598d...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <7bSdncKSA-IbSdTXnZ2dnUVZ_tmdn...@giganews.com>,
> > kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net says...
>
> > > "Paul Ciszek" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > >news:h2c84r$b4q$2...@reader1.panix.com...
> > > > British TV uses cardboard spacecraft and three-dimensional characters.
> > > > American TV does it the other way around.
>
> > > Nice. Tho to be fair, fx have gotten cheaper and better to allow viewers to
> > > not have to work so hard to suspend disbelief.
>
> > Now they just need to work on the characters
>
> If I want to watch a cartoon, I'll go to a Pixar production. The movies
> with the live "actors" overwhelmed by fx just don't pull me into the
> theater. I have this bias toward characters vs cardboard cut-outs.
>
> --
> Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
I want science fiction to have credible science if that's at all
possible, please, and for that to be important in the story. If it's
only a device for setting a story in a fictional society, that's
okay. I also like sci-fi eye candy, by which I do /not/ mean pretty
actors (but, sure, cosmetic therapy in the future, - ) but if it's
explained verbally what's going on, classic Star Trek quality is
acceptable there. Now "action" is a genre that some actors aren't
strong in, and many have commented that it's a particularly testing
discipline to react to and run from the special effects that are added
later. But, well, ninety per cent of actors are unemployed so we
should be able to pick good ones.
_Babylon 5_ had scenes where nothing on scene except for human beings
was "real", and a more recent offering, _Sanctuary_, which has many
sets created in CGI just because they can, sometimes when they
shouldn't, is interesting for how they get it right or wrong. The
Sanctuary is kind of a secret zoo for mythological creatures, which in
many ways is a paradoxical, should I say dumb concept. And the plots
and characterisation are not terrific - well, I'm sure everyone's
trying their hardest, but it's quite melodramatic. But the actors do
mostly manage not to give hints that they're acting in an invisible
world. Visually, they have some CGI rooms, workspaces at the
Sanctuary, that are ridiculously large, like a single examination
table in the middle of Madison Square Gardens (in scale), and some
unrealistic animal designs and movements - that's a field where
simulations of human beings seem to be well ahead of other species.
Having said that, it is (what I've seen of it) in the past; progress
in CGI goes pretty fast, particularly since you can now do it at home
and show it off on YouTube. And maybe they wanted the show to look
like a basic PC 3D game so that when you buy the PC 3D game of the
show you aren't disappointed.
bozo
> In article <3c1abc52-04f1-46a4-a7c4-ac5d6dd9d...@y17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? Is there a
university ready to vouch for his title? When I raised it, I really
didn't mean to offend anyone. In fact I agree with the observer who
said that if it's an inside joke, it's one that's been amusing and
entertaining people for over 40 years. In fact I knew the quirky
production value and writing that makes Dr. Who what it is is a
uniquely British tongue-in-cheek notion and that if you're British and
you have the patience and a Benny Hill to explain it all it could be
pretty funnier stuff. But I also feel if only the British values that
comprise Dr. Who and the American values that comprise say the Rocky
series were brought to bear on each other, the result could be so
paroxysmally hilarious I couldn't stop laughing.
-BdN-
PS: I hope you folks at uk/media.tv.sf.drwho catch this since Google
groups doesn't support posting yet ... they're probably waiting for
your Dr. Who Rocky crossover.
solar penguin
bozo <Bozo_D...@37.com> wrote:
>
> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? Is there a
> university ready to vouch for his title?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/doctorsdoctorate.shtml
Peter J Ross
<solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
All I can add is that at least twice the Doctor adopts an alias that
suggests he's a doctor of medicine.
1. The Highlanders (Doktor von Wer)
2. Tooth and Claw (Doctor James McCrimmon)
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wrote:
>In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:14:17 +0100, solar penguin
><solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> bozo <Bozo_D...@37.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? Is there a
>>> university ready to vouch for his title?
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/doctorsdoctorate.shtml
>
>All I can add is that at least twice the Doctor adopts an alias that
>suggests he's a doctor of medicine.
>
>1. The Highlanders (Doktor von Wer)
>2. Tooth and Claw (Doctor James McCrimmon)
..and in "The Ark in Space" he claims his doctorate is "purely
honorary" (and that Harry is only qualified to work on sailors!)
Michael Grosberg
> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of?
In the new series, "The Doctor" isn't a title - it's his name. Or, at
least the closest human translation of his name. I think it is implied
Time Lords pick (or receive) their name according to their general
attitudes or interests in life. hence, the military-minded
authoritarian time lord known as "The Master".
Michael Grosberg
It's a family show, meant to be watched by parents along with their
kids.
Sean O'Hara
declared:
>
> American TV chooses actors, especially female ones, largely on the basis of
> their looks. British TV does not: in fact, women playing characters who are
> supposed to be gorgeous are often at best mildly attractive.
>
>
Have you considered that those *are* the most gorgeous British
actresses?
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New audio book: As Long as You Wish by John O'Keefe
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The Doctor
rochrist
> Mike Schilling wrote:
>> Jon Schild wrote:
>>> Paul Ciszek wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <ca44b4a7-ce90-496f...@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> characters. American TV does it the other way around.
>>>>
>>>
>>> cultural bias than any form of fact.
>>
>> basis of their looks. British TV does not: in fact, women playing
>> characters who are supposed to be gorgeous are often at best mildly
>> attractive.
>
> do on American TV, where they get out of bed fully made-up and not a
> hair out of place. (Well, none that I have lived with have anyway!)
>
Personally, I find the women in Torchwood and Primeval teh hawt!
Stephen Wilson
"bozo" <Bozo_D...@37.com> wrote in message
news:b2205b90-c6f0-4982...@x5g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
>BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? Is there a
>university ready to vouch for his title?
He's not necessarily a real doctor of anything. He just used the title
instead of a name because he liked it.
Stephen Wilson
"Peter J Ross" <p...@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrnh4p9q...@pjr.gotdns.org...
> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:14:17 +0100, solar penguin
> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> bozo <Bozo_D...@37.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? Is there a
>>> university ready to vouch for his title?
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/doctorsdoctorate.shtml
>
> All I can add is that at least twice the Doctor adopts an alias that
> suggests he's a doctor of medicine.
>
> 1. The Highlanders (Doktor von Wer)
> 2. Tooth and Claw (Doctor James McCrimmon)
What makes those aliases suggestive of medicine over any other doctorate?
solar penguin
The dialogue that accompanies them.
e.g. "Doktor von Wer at your service. Remedies for the ague, the twitch,
the colic, the warts and the gout."
Ignis Fatuus
<solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>Stephen Wilson <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> "Peter J Ross" <p...@example.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:slrnh4p9q...@pjr.gotdns.org...
>>> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:14:17 +0100, solar penguin
>>> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> bozo <Bozo_D...@37.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? Is
>>>>> there a university ready to vouch for his title?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/doctorsdoctorate.shtml
>>>
>>> All I can add is that at least twice the Doctor adopts an alias that
>>> suggests he's a doctor of medicine.
>>>
>>> 1. The Highlanders (Doktor von Wer)
>>> 2. Tooth and Claw (Doctor James McCrimmon)
>>
>> What makes those aliases suggestive of medicine over any other
>> doctorate?
>
>The dialogue that accompanies them.
>
>e.g. "Doktor von Wer at your service. Remedies for the ague, the twitch,
>the colic, the warts and the gout."
>
Hartnell stated several times that he was Not a doctor of medicine.
James McCrimmon was Jamie's name.
solar penguin
Ignis Fatuus <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:52:15 +0100, "solar penguin"
> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>Stephen Wilson <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> "Peter J Ross" <p...@example.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:slrnh4p9q...@pjr.gotdns.org...
>>>>
>>>> All I can add is that at least twice the Doctor adopts an alias
>>>> that suggests he's a doctor of medicine.
>>>>
>>>> 1. The Highlanders (Doktor von Wer)
>>>> 2. Tooth and Claw (Doctor James McCrimmon)
>>>
>>> What makes those aliases suggestive of medicine over any other
>>> doctorate?
>>
>>The dialogue that accompanies them.
>>
>>e.g. "Doktor von Wer at your service. Remedies for the ague, the
>>twitch, the colic, the warts and the gout."
>>
> Hartnell stated several times that he was Not a doctor of medicine.
>
> James McCrimmon was Jamie's name.
If you want to be really pedantic: James Robert McCrimmon was Jamie's
name. ;)
Ignis Fatuus
<solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
No more pedantic than quoting lines of dialogue. I was merely making
an observation about the name for the benefit of those (like myself)
who didn't pick it up during the broadcast.
solar penguin
Ignis Fatuus <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:10:01 +0100, "solar penguin"
> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ignis Fatuus <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:52:15 +0100, "solar penguin"
>>> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Stephen Wilson <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Peter J Ross" <p...@example.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:slrnh4p9q...@pjr.gotdns.org...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I can add is that at least twice the Doctor adopts an alias
>>>>>> that suggests he's a doctor of medicine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. The Highlanders (Doktor von Wer)
>>>>>> 2. Tooth and Claw (Doctor James McCrimmon)
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes those aliases suggestive of medicine over any other
>>>>> doctorate?
>>>>
>>>>The dialogue that accompanies them.
>>>>
>>>>e.g. "Doktor von Wer at your service. Remedies for the ague, the
>>>>twitch, the colic, the warts and the gout."
>>>>
>>> Hartnell stated several times that he was Not a doctor of medicine.
>>>
>>> James McCrimmon was Jamie's name.
>>
>>If you want to be really pedantic: James Robert McCrimmon was Jamie's
>>name. ;)
>>
> No more pedantic than quoting lines of dialogue.
Good point. I love being pedantic whenever I think I can get away with
it.
erilar
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> erilar wrote:
> > In article <MPG.24b4cd40f...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> > Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <7bSdncKSA-IbSdTX...@giganews.com>,
> >> kwicker1...@comcast.net says...
> >>>
> >>> "Paul Ciszek" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:h2c84r$b4q$2...@reader1.panix.com...
> >
> >>>> British TV uses cardboard spacecraft and three-dimensional
> >>>> characters. American TV does it the other way around.
> >>>
> >>> Nice. Tho to be fair, fx have gotten cheaper and better to allow
> >>> viewers to not have to work so hard to suspend disbelief.
> >>
> >> Now they just need to work on the characters
> >
> > If I want to watch a cartoon, I'll go to a Pixar production. The
> > movies with the live "actors" overwhelmed by fx just don't pull me
> > into the theater. I have this bias toward characters vs cardboard
> > cut-outs.
>
> Then you should like Doctor Who (2005+). :-)
It's OK, but the Tom Baker era is still my favorite 8-)
--
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that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov
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Peter J Ross
Tabernac <mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
Yes, but that's mentioned in the BBC page that was cited, where the
quote is wrongly stated to come from "Robot".
Monsieur Tabernac
wrote:
>In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:30:58 -0400, Monsieur
>Tabernac <mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:25:51 +0100, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:14:17 +0100, solar penguin
>>><solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> bozo <Bozo_D...@37.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? Is there a
>>>>> university ready to vouch for his title?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/doctorsdoctorate.shtml
>>>
>>>All I can add is that at least twice the Doctor adopts an alias that
>>>suggests he's a doctor of medicine.
>>>
>>>1. The Highlanders (Doktor von Wer)
>>>2. Tooth and Claw (Doctor James McCrimmon)
>>
>> ..and in "The Ark in Space" he claims his doctorate is "purely
>> honorary" (and that Harry is only qualified to work on sailors!)
>
>Yes, but that's mentioned in the BBC page that was cited, where the
>quote is wrongly stated to come from "Robot".
Sorry. Thanks for pointing that out.
Peter J Ross
Grosberg <grosberg...@gmail.com> wrote:
This is an interesting theory, but do you have evidence to support it?
Ignis Fatuus
<solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
Me too; but it's too bloody hot at the moment. I'm even glad we're not
into a season finale because I couldn't be trashed with the
discussion.
plausible prose man
> Is it an inside joke or what?
Yeah, sort of. Especially if you were, you know, inside.
Dutch "behind the couch" Courage
Richard Kennaway
> I get that you think the cheese was part of the charm, and I even agree to
> some extent, but the loss of that aspect is made up for by better acting
> and more consistently entertaining stories. We all love Doctor Who, but you
> have to admit that sometimes it was really hard to love. *
It has been observed that we love best the version of the Doctor that we
first watched as a child, although after long hindsight, I have begun to
rate Patrick Troughton's Doctor as even higher than William Hartnell's.
(Nevertheless, Hartnell remains definitive of what the Doctor is.) Tom
Baker's is a solid no.3, and the rest are also-rans.
This is Classic Who, of course. Recent Who is, well, not quite the same
thing.
--
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Taki Kogoma
allegedly proclaimed to rec.arts.sf.written:
Was there ever The Bachelor (and The Associate) to match The Doctor
and The Master?
Gym "It's all a matter of degree, you see..." Quirk
--
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Mac Breck
> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:08:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael
> Grosberg <grosberg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 2, 2:08� pm, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:
>>
>>> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? �
>>
>> In the new series, "The Doctor" isn't a title - it's his name. Or, at
>> least the closest human translation of his name. I think it is
>> implied Time Lords pick (or receive) their name according to their
>> general attitudes or interests in life. hence, the military-minded
>> authoritarian time lord known as "The Master".
>
> This is an interesting theory, but do you have evidence to support it?
It's in one or more of these episodes that it's the name they took for
themselves, and it's at least partially in flashbacks to when The Master
and The Doctor were children. I don't have that DVD set, or I'd look it
up and get the dialogue.
*Season* *3*
Episode 11: Utopia
Episode 12: The Sound of Drums
Episode 13: Last of the Time Lords
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Monsieur Tabernac
<macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Peter J Ross wrote:
>> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:08:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>> Grosberg <grosberg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2:08� pm, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? �
>>>
>>> In the new series, "The Doctor" isn't a title - it's his name. Or, at
>>> least the closest human translation of his name. I think it is
>>> implied Time Lords pick (or receive) their name according to their
>>> general attitudes or interests in life. hence, the military-minded
>>> authoritarian time lord known as "The Master".
>>
>> This is an interesting theory, but do you have evidence to support it?
>
>It's in one or more of these episodes that it's the name they took for
>themselves, and it's at least partially in flashbacks to when The Master
>and The Doctor were children. I don't have that DVD set, or I'd look it
>up and get the dialogue.
>
>*Season* *3*
>
>Episode 11: Utopia
>Episode 12: The Sound of Drums
>Episode 13: Last of the Time Lords
It's from "The Sound of Drums" when the Doctor and the Master speak
for the first time (on the telephone).
Master: "Doctor"
Doctor: "Master"
Master: "I like it when you use my name."
Doctor: "You chose it. Psychiatrist's field day."
Master: "As you chose yours."
I don't think there are any flashbacks to their childhood (except for
the Master standing in front of the vortex in SoD), possibly you may
be thinking of one of the Big Finish productions ("Master", perhaps?)
It still doesn't mean that the Doctor isn't a real doctor/scientist of
some sort -- he may have chosen that name because he *is* a doctor.
The Doctor
The Doctor
Jacey Bedford
<roch...@charter.net> writes
Sadly I understand that Primeval will not go to a fourth season - ending
the third on a cliffhanger, of course.
Bummer.
Torchwood's new five-parter is on five consecutive nights next week.
Jacey
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Jacey Bedford
<b2205b90-c6f0-4982...@x5g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, bozo
<Bozo_D...@37.com> writes
>
>BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of?
Doctor Who is not his name - it's the name of the programme. The
character's name is 'The Doctor' and it's the only name he ever uses,
often eliciting the question: Doctor? Just Doctor? Doctor Who? It was a
name apparently chosen when he was a child on Gallifrey (at the same
time as 'The Master' chose to be called that). Don't forget he's not
human and therefore any real name may not conform to human norms. On
occasions when he's incognito he introduces himself as John Smith.
He does have a real name but it's never been revealed, except to River
Song - apparently - as played out in the double episode 'Silence in the
Library' in the recent Season Four of New Who.
Jacey
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Jacey Bedford
Tabernac <mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> writes
Life and picked up many skills along the way. Tennant's doctor does
carry a stethoscope, but he's just as likely to use it for eavesdropping
as for doctoring people.
Jacey
--
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Michel Boucher
news:9bzCWNSx...@parkhead.demon.co.uk:
> I would assume that in 900+ years he's been educated at the School of
> Life and picked up many skills along the way. Tennant's doctor does
> carry a stethoscope, but he's just as likely to use it for eavesdropping
> as for doctoring people.
He wouldn't be the first tv character to help cure the ill. Granny
Clampett was also a doctor ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjzJe1YZQjI
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of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
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Mac Breck
That's it.
Thanks for looking up the dialogue.
<snip>
> It still doesn't mean that the Doctor isn't a real doctor/scientist of
> some sort -- he may have chosen that name because he *is* a doctor.
True.
imipak
> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:08:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>
> > On Jul 2, 2:08 pm, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:
>
> >> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of?
>
> > In the new series, "The Doctor" isn't a title - it's his name. Or, at
> > least the closest human translation of his name. I think it is implied
> > Time Lords pick (or receive) their name according to their general
> > attitudes or interests in life. hence, the military-minded
> > authoritarian time lord known as "The Master".
>
> This is an interesting theory, but do you have evidence to support it?
It's also true in the Old Series, at least as of Deadly Assassin, that
these were picked names. However, they aren't their birth-names, they
are merely the names they've taken on. Romana's name is her
Gallifreyan name, as is Borusa's, Omega's and Rassilon's. The Master
and The Doctor are rather frowned-upon for using aliases. Both have
real Gallifreyan names, but The Master destroyed the record of his,
and The Doctor presumably wiped all records of his at some point as
well. He's been in The Matrix enough, and as Lord President on several
occasions, he's had the authority.
In "Planet of the Spiders", we even see a Time Lord switch between
aliases as it became expedient to do so. This is not a designation,
merely a handy way of revealing nothing without obviously doing so.
imipak
wrote:
> Stephen Wilson <stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > "Peter J Ross" <p...@example.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:slrnh4p9q...@pjr.gotdns.org...
> >> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:14:17 +0100, solar penguin
>
> >>> bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? Is
> >>>> there a university ready to vouch for his title?
>
>
> >> All I can add is that at least twice the Doctor adopts an alias that
> >> suggests he's a doctor of medicine.
>
> >> 1. The Highlanders (Doktor von Wer)
> >> 2. Tooth and Claw (Doctor James McCrimmon)
>
> > What makes those aliases suggestive of medicine over any other
> > doctorate?
>
> The dialogue that accompanies them.
>
> e.g. "Doktor von Wer at your service. Remedies for the ague, the twitch,
> the colic, the warts and the gout."
An interesting play on words - if you translate it into English, it
literally means "Doctor from Who".
The Doctor
imipak <imi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jul 2, 10:52=A0am, "solar penguin" <solar.peng...@googlemail.com>
>wrote:
>> Stephen Wilson <stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> > "Peter J Ross" <p...@example.invalid> wrote in message
>> >news:slrnh4p9q...@pjr.gotdns.org...
>> >> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:14:17 +0100, solar penguin
>> >> <solar.peng...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> there a university ready to vouch for his title?
>>
>..
>>
>> >> All I can add is that at least twice the Doctor adopts an alias that
>> >> suggests he's a doctor of medicine.
>>
>> >> 1. The Highlanders (Doktor von Wer)
>> >> 2. Tooth and Claw (Doctor James McCrimmon)
>>
>> > What makes those aliases suggestive of medicine over any other
>> > doctorate?
>>
>> The dialogue that accompanies them.
>>
>> e.g. "Doktor von Wer at your service. Remedies for the ague, the twitch,
>> the colic, the warts and the gout."
>
>An interesting play on words - if you translate it into English, it
>literally means "Doctor from Who".
10/10 imipak.
solar penguin
> I would assume that in 900+ years he's been educated at the School of
> Life and picked up many skills along the way. Tennant's doctor does
> carry a stethoscope, but he's just as likely to use it for
> eavesdropping as for doctoring people.
Troughton's Doctor also carried a stethoscope for evesdropping:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/photonovels/fury/one/12.shtml
The Face of Po
imipak got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
> On Jul 2, 12:39 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:08:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>>
>> Grosberg <grosberg.mich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Jul 2, 2:08 pm, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of?
>>
>> > In the new series, "The Doctor" isn't a title - it's his name. Or, at
>> > least the closest human translation of his name. I think it is implied
>> > Time Lords pick (or receive) their name according to their general
>> > attitudes or interests in life. hence, the military-minded
>> > authoritarian time lord known as "The Master".
>>
>> This is an interesting theory, but do you have evidence to support it?
>
> It's also true in the Old Series, at least as of Deadly Assassin, that
> these were picked names. However, they aren't their birth-names, they
> are merely the names they've taken on. Romana's name is her
> Gallifreyan name, as is Borusa's, Omega's and Rassilon's. The Master
> and The Doctor are rather frowned-upon for using aliases. Both have
> real Gallifreyan names, but The Master destroyed the record of his,
> and The Doctor presumably wiped all records of his at some point as
> well. He's been in The Matrix enough, and as Lord President on several
> occasions, he's had the authority.
The Doctor was also called "Theta Sigma" while on Gallifrey, though
apparently that's another alias.
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According to Doc7, it was his nickname at the academy.
Robert Carnegie
> In message <3deq45laaop2vvunffo4t69d7lhfrvp...@4ax.com>, Monsieur
> Tabernac <mtaber...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> writes
>
>
>
> >On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:40:11 -0400, "Mac Breck"
> ><macthevor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Peter J Ross wrote:
> >>> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:08:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>
> >>>> On Jul 2, 2:08Â pm, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? Â
I was a bit fed up that Martha Jones didn't get to be a proper doctor
herself in her season, at all that I remember. Even with that guy
that the Daleks turned into a short-lived pig-face slave, it was David
Tennant who grabbed the stethoscope. Mind you, we don't know if the
cause of death of Dalek slaves would be something that Martha could
treat. Presumably there was some purpose besides cruelty to the
procedure - I'll guess enhanced physical strength. So a muscle or
heart problem? Still - Martha could at least assist. Tom Baker let
Harry Sullivan be a doctor.
Incidentally, in the _Doctor Who Adventures_ comic, the companion is
called Heather McCrimmon - I think she's an archaeology student from
Edinburgh?
The Doctor
And the introduction of the sonic screwdriver.
The Doctor
Stephen Wilson
"Monsieur Tabernac" <mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2e0s451b827teb1v8...@4ax.com...
That was a nod back to a book Terrance Dicks wrote back in the 1970s.
Jacey Bedford
Boucher <alsa...@g.mail.com> writes
>Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>news:9bzCWNSx...@parkhead.demon.co.uk:
>
>> I would assume that in 900+ years he's been educated at the School of
>> Life and picked up many skills along the way. Tennant's doctor does
>> carry a stethoscope, but he's just as likely to use it for eavesdropping
>> as for doctoring people.
>
>He wouldn't be the first tv character to help cure the ill. Granny
>Clampett was also a doctor ;-)
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjzJe1YZQjI
Oh, I'd forgotten the Beverley Hillbillies. Lovely stuff!
:-)
Jacey
>
--
Jacey Bedford
Brian Henderson
> Peter J Ross wrote:
>> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:08:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>> Grosberg <grosberg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2:08� pm, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? �
>>> In the new series, "The Doctor" isn't a title - it's his name. Or, at
>>> least the closest human translation of his name. I think it is
>>> implied Time Lords pick (or receive) their name according to their
>>> general attitudes or interests in life. hence, the military-minded
>>> authoritarian time lord known as "The Master".
>> This is an interesting theory, but do you have evidence to support it?
>
> It's in one or more of these episodes that it's the name they took for
> themselves, and it's at least partially in flashbacks to when The Master
> and The Doctor were children. I don't have that DVD set, or I'd look it
> up and get the dialogue.
>
> *Season* *3*
>
> Episode 11: Utopia
> Episode 12: The Sound of Drums
> Episode 13: Last of the Time Lords
But we know for a fact that it isn't his real name, he has said that
he's never told anyone his real name, except for River Song, sometime in
the future. At best, "Doctor" and "Master" are self-chosen aliases that
they've used for a long time, they're certainly not proper names.
Anim8rFSK
<c32d29fd-b5bf-474d...@t21g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 12:39�am, Jacey Bedford <lookin...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In message <3deq45laaop2vvunffo4t69d7lhfrvp...@4ax.com>, Monsieur
> > Tabernac <mtaber...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> writes
> >
> >
> >
> > >On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:40:11 -0400, "Mac Breck"
> > ><macthevor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>Peter J Ross wrote:
> > >>> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:08:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael
> > >>> Grosberg <grosberg.mich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>> On Jul 2, 2:08� pm, bozo <Bozo De N...@37.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? �
She wasn't a proper doctor. She passed her exams after she stopped
being a regular.
--
Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
--actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
Mac Breck
"....except for River Song, sometime in the future." What ep. was that
in?
> At best, "Doctor" and "Master" are self-chosen
> aliases that they've used for a long time, they're certainly not
> proper names.
I don't think I ever said that Doctor and Master were their "proper
names." I just said those were names that they took for themselves.
Jacey Bedford
<macthe...@yahoo.com> writes
Mild spoilers for the early part of the episode
As I said, it was in the two-parter 'Silence in the Library' (and was
the companion episode 'Forest of the Dead'?). They were written by
Steven Moffatt (Season 4). The Tardis gets pulled to a Library which is
deserted except for an archaeological expedition. The Doctor meets a
woman (River, played by Alex Kingston) who knows him in his personal
future. At first she's surprised he doesn't know her, then looks hard at
him and tells him how young he looks. It quickly becomes obvious that
they mean something to each other, or will do at some point in his life.
It certainly doesn't appear that she's a future companion, however she
won't tell him any 'spoilers' even though she has a diary of their
meetings. It's their habit to compare notes every time they meet up
again to see where they are in their own personal timespan. They seem to
make a habit of meeting in time and space and he often pops up in her
life out of sequence. (It's that wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff again.)
In this case she's 'called' him to come and help and the call has
obviously pulled the Tardis to the Library - but it's an earlier Doctor
than she was expecting. To prove they do know each other and that he can
trust her she whispers his real name in his ear - and asks 'Are we
good?' He looks taken aback because there's only one circumstance in
which he would give anyone his real name... He gulps a bit and then says
'We're good.' All the way through the episode you can see him wondering
about her.
And she also has his sonic screwdriver - a later and more sophisticated
model - that he's lent her in his future - which turns out to be quite
important. No more spoilers though. It's my favourite from Season Four.
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
imipak
> Brian Henderson wrote:
> > Mac Breck wrote:
> >> Peter J Ross wrote:
> >>> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:08:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael
>
> >>>> On Jul 2, 2:08Â pm, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> BTW before I forget, what exactly is Dr. Who a doctor of? Â
> >>>> In the new series, "The Doctor" isn't a title - it's his name. Or,
> >>>> at least the closest human translation of his name. I think it is
> >>>> implied Time Lords pick (or receive) their name according to their
> >>>> general attitudes or interests in life. hence, the military-minded
> >>>> authoritarian time lord known as "The Master".
> >>> This is an interesting theory, but do you have evidence to support
> >>> it?
>
> >> It's in one or more of these episodes that it's the name they took
> >> for themselves, and it's at least partially in flashbacks to when
> >> The Master and The Doctor were children. I don't have that DVD set,
> >> or I'd look it up and get the dialogue.
>
> >> *Season* *3*
>
> >> Episode 11: Utopia
> >> Episode 12: The Sound of Drums
> >> Episode 13: Last of the Time Lords
>
> > But we know for a fact that it isn't his real name, he has said that
> > he's never told anyone his real name, except for River Song, sometime
> > in the future.
>
> "....except for River Song, sometime in the future." What ep. was that
> in?
"Forest of the Dead", I think. But since there's no evidence any
record of his real name exists, it could equally have been another
alias, just a more private one.
Reminds me a little of the line in The IPCRESS File, when Harry Palmer
observes: "My name isn't Harry, but in this business it's hard to
remember whether it ever had been."
> > At best, "Doctor" and "Master" are self-chosen
> > aliases that they've used for a long time, they're certainly not
> > proper names.
>
> I don't think I ever said that Doctor and Master were their "proper
> names." I just said those were names that they took for themselves.
As Number 2 might have observed in The Prisoner, what is a "proper
name" anyway?
Anim8rFSK
Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
So who do we think River met? The David Tennant doctor in an untold
story (or one that better happen pretty quick) or another incarnation
and somehow she sees the Doctor as the same person no matter what face
he's wearing?