Re: Things we remember...
Michael Stemper
>In article <27b2d965-45e7-4541...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, Matt Hughes <arch...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the old --
>> really, really old -- Tonight Show.
> Oh, that was funny 8-)
Yes, it was. And I'll bet that if he'd done the same thing to lyrics
by Hoagy Carmichael or Cole Porter, it would have been just as funny.
It doesn't say a thing about the quality (or lack therof) of rock
lyrics.
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erilar
mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
> In article <drache-E36616....@news.eternal-september.org>, erilar
> <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes:
> >In article
> ><27b2d965-45e7-4541...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, Matt
> >Hughes <arch...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the old --
> >> really, really old -- Tonight Show.
> > Oh, that was funny 8-)
>
> Yes, it was. And I'll bet that if he'd done the same thing to lyrics
> by Hoagy Carmichael or Cole Porter, it would have been just as funny.
> It doesn't say a thing about the quality (or lack therof) of rock
> lyrics.
True. It says something about Steve Allen's talent 8-)
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Will in New Haven
wrote:
> In article <drache-E36616.15534507112...@news.eternal-september.org>, erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes:
>
> >In article <27b2d965-45e7-4541-8f65-34ad154e2...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the old --
> >> really, really old -- Tonight Show.
> > Oh, that was funny 8-)
>
> Yes, it was. And I'll bet that if he'd done the same thing to lyrics
> by Hoagy Carmichael or Cole Porter, it would have been just as funny.
> It doesn't say a thing about the quality (or lack therof) of rock
> lyrics.
>
He was pretty selective, too. And it would be _easy_ to do this with
much of opera.
--
Will in New Haven
Scott Lurndal
>In article <hdbqti$a0l$6...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>
>> In article <drache-E36616....@news.eternal-september.org>, erilar
>> <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes:
>> >In article
>> ><27b2d965-45e7-4541...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, Matt
>> >Hughes <arch...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the old --
>> >> really, really old -- Tonight Show.
>> > Oh, that was funny 8-)
>>
>> Yes, it was. And I'll bet that if he'd done the same thing to lyrics
>> by Hoagy Carmichael or Cole Porter, it would have been just as funny.
>> It doesn't say a thing about the quality (or lack therof) of rock
>> lyrics.
>
>True. It says something about Steve Allen's talent 8-)
>
One year, as Bill Cosby was unavailable, Steve Allen hosted the
Playboy Jazz Festival at the Hollywood bowl. Two days of sun,
food and drink (bringing in coolers, bottles, etc all are allowed).
His only comment aside from introducing the acts was to comment
on the crowd being more mellow than a rock crowd, yet with the
same piquant oder wafting over the crowd.
scott
Dorothy J Heydt
Particularly if the opera was by Handel. I don't know WHERE he
got his libretti, but (as I've noted before) in Italian they're
passable; in English they're ridiculous.
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Will in New Haven
> In article <5f0bab75-2909-4302-b289-70aca9e09...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 10, 8:47 am, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
> >wrote:
> >> In article <drache-E36616.15534507112...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes:
>
> >> >In article
> ><27b2d965-45e7-4541-8f65-34ad154e2...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> >Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the old --
> >> >> really, really old -- Tonight Show.
> >> > Oh, that was funny 8-)
>
> >> Yes, it was. And I'll bet that if he'd done the same thing to lyrics
> >> by Hoagy Carmichael or Cole Porter, it would have been just as funny.
> >> It doesn't say a thing about the quality (or lack therof) of rock
> >> lyrics.
>
> >He was pretty selective, too. And it would be _easy_ to do this with
> >much of opera.
>
> Particularly if the opera was by Handel. I don't know WHERE he
> got his libretti, but (as I've noted before) in Italian they're
> passable; in English they're ridiculous.
Isn't that the translator's fault, then. Or do you mean to say they
are ok in Italian if you don't speak Italian?
The way you phrased that, I take it that it is unlikely that he wrote
his own libretti.
Wayne Throop
: I take it that it is unlikely that he wrote
: his own libretti.
A form of pasta, right?
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Dorothy J Heydt
Yes. Well put.
>The way you phrased that, I take it that it is unlikely that he wrote
>his own libretti.
I doubt it. His Italian wasn't all that great, about at the
level of his English. Or so I am led to believe.
Cheryl
I can't remember if this is where I read a comment on one or the other
of the French post-modernist philosophers to the effect that parts of
their writing that made sense in French didn't make sense at all in
English because various cultural assumptions and perspectives didn't
come through the translation process. I'm going by memory and
paraphrasing wildly here.
In my limited knowledg of libretti, I wouldn't think this (if true) is
the problems so much as the constant repetition of inane stuff that
sounds beautiful. It may be that Italian is a language that lends itself
to melodramatic inanity, and pedestrian English isn't.
--
Cheryl
David DeLaney
>I can't remember if this is where I read a comment on one or the other
>of the French post-modernist philosophers to the effect that parts of
>their writing that made sense in French didn't make sense at all in
>English because various cultural assumptions and perspectives didn't
>come through the translation process. I'm going by memory and
>paraphrasing wildly here.
The weak Sapir-Picard-Whorf hypothesis, correct?
>In my limited knowledg of libretti, I wouldn't think this (if true) is
>the problems so much as the constant repetition of inane stuff that
>sounds beautiful. It may be that Italian is a language that lends itself
>to melodramatic inanity, and pedestrian English isn't.
yummy yummy yummy
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Cheryl
> Cheryl <cper...@mun.ca> wrote:
>> I can't remember if this is where I read a comment on one or the other
>> of the French post-modernist philosophers to the effect that parts of
>> their writing that made sense in French didn't make sense at all in
>> English because various cultural assumptions and perspectives didn't
>> come through the translation process. I'm going by memory and
>> paraphrasing wildly here.
>
> The weak Sapir-Picard-Whorf hypothesis, correct?
Not really, although I suppose the explanation may have been based on
that. It was a reaction to specific texts, and all I can say is that
what little I've read of them made so little sense to me in English I
didn't attempt to read them in French, only partly because my French
isn't really up to reading philosophy tomes in the original language.
It was probably an 'emperor has no clothes' claim against some
post-modernism philosophy, with the caveat that it at least sounds like
it makes sense in French.
>> In my limited knowledg of libretti, I wouldn't think this (if true) is
>> the problems so much as the constant repetition of inane stuff that
>> sounds beautiful. It may be that Italian is a language that lends itself
>> to melodramatic inanity, and pedestrian English isn't.
>
> yummy yummy yummy
> i've got love in my tum-my
>
> Dave "drama queen cat can drama in ANY language" DeLaney
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Robert Carnegie
> : Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com>
> : I take it that it is unlikely that he wrote
> : his own libretti.
>
> A form of pasta, right?
In the shape of little books.
Robert Carnegie
wrote:
> In article <drache-E36616.15534507112...@news.eternal-september.org>, erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes:
>
> >In article <27b2d965-45e7-4541-8f65-34ad154e2...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the old --
> >> really, really old -- Tonight Show.
> > Oh, that was funny 8-)
>
> Yes, it was. And I'll bet that if he'd done the same thing to lyrics
> by Hoagy Carmichael or Cole Porter, it would have been just as funny.
> It doesn't say a thing about the quality (or lack therof) of rock
> lyrics.
I disagree. Lyrics basically are poetry. Some are good poetry, some
are bad poetry. Some are self-consciously witty in themselves. Some
are not self-aware.
So:
<http://www.thepeaches.com/music/composers/hoagy/>
for instance, doesn't look like source material for comedy. Even Tom
Lehrer would struggle. (Hmm, did Tom Lehrer take a shot at Hoagy
Carmichael at all?)
Kurt Busiek
"They tell me that slide-pipe tooter is grand, Best in Loo-si-an-na;
So bring your freighter come and al-liga-tor that band. Mister Hawkins
on the tenor!"
The trick to what Allen did was to take something silly, something that
would be all about the rhythm and the tune, remove those things and
deadpan it. So it's not a matter of picking lyrics at random. He
could certainly have gotten a laugh with the right bits of "Riverboat
Shuffle" or "The Monkey Song" or possibly "The Old Music Master." And
if he read "Hong Kong Blues" in a deadpan version of the dialect Hoagy
sang it in, he'd get much the same effect.
kdb
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Will in New Haven
On the other hand, he would have had a hell of a time getting a laugh
out of
"The silence of a falling star lights up the purple sky
And while I wonder where you are, I'm so lonesome I could cry."
Hank Williams wrote a lot of intentionally funny lyrics and some that
were unintentionally funny but the lyrics to that song are not funny.
Kurt Busiek
<bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> said:
> On Nov 11, 12:44�ｿｽpm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-11-11 04:38:38 -0800, Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> s
> aid:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 10, 1:47 pm, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
>>> wrote:
>>>> In article <drache-E36616.15534507112...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes:
>>>>> In article <27b2d965-45e7-4541-8f65-34ad154e2...@b15g2000yqd.
>>>>> googlegroups.com>, Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the old --
>>>>>> really, really old -- Tonight Show.
>>>>> Oh, that was funny 8-)
>>
>>>> Yes, it was. And I'll bet that if he'd done the same thing to lyrics
>>>> by Hoagy Carmichael or Cole Porter, it would have been just as funny.
>>>> It doesn't say a thing about the quality (or lack therof) of rock
>>>> lyrics.
>>
>>> I disagree. �ｿｽLyrics basically are poetry. �ｿｽSome are good poetry, some
>>> are bad poetry. �ｿｽSome are self-consciously witty in themselves. �ｿｽSome
>>> are not self-aware.
>>> So:
>>> <http://www.thepeaches.com/music/composers/hoagy/>
>>> for instance, doesn't look like source material for comedy. �ｿｽEven Tom
>>> Lehrer would struggle. �ｿｽ(Hmm, did Tom Lehrer take a shot at Hoagy
>>> Carmichael at all?)
>>
>> "They tell me that slide-pipe tooter is grand, Best in Loo-si-an-na;
>> So bring your freighter come and al-liga-tor that band. Mister Hawkins
>> on the tenor!"
>>
>> The trick to what Allen did was to take something silly, something that
>> would be all about the rhythm and the tune, remove those things and
>> deadpan it. �ｿｽSo it's not a matter of picking lyrics at random. �ｿｽHe
>> could certainly have gotten a laugh with the right bits of "Riverboat
>> Shuffle" or "The Monkey Song" or possibly "The Old Music Master." �ｿｽAnd
>> if he read "Hong Kong Blues" in a deadpan version of the dialect Hoagy
>> sang it in, he'd get much the same effect.
>
> On the other hand, he would have had a hell of a time getting a laugh
> out of
>
> "The silence of a falling star lights up the purple sky
> And while I wonder where you are, I'm so lonesome I could cry."
>
> Hank Williams wrote a lot of intentionally funny lyrics and some that
> were unintentionally funny but the lyrics to that song are not funny.
This is true.
The trick is to pick the right lyrics, and (if you're stairizing the
field) pass it off as representative, rather than try to actually be
representative, or to seek out hard lyrics to play as funny.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Will in New Haven <bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>On Nov 11, 12:44�ｿｽpm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-11-11 04:38:38 -0800, Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 10, 1:47 pm, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
>> > wrote:
>> >> In article <drache-E36616.15534507112...@news.eternal-september.org>, eri
>> > lar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes:
>>
>> >>> In article <27b2d965-45e7-4541-8f65-34ad154e2...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroup
>> > s.com>, Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the old --
>> >>>> really, really old -- Tonight Show.
>> >>> Oh, that was funny 8-)
>>
>> >> Yes, it was. And I'll bet that if he'd done the same thing to lyrics
>> >> by Hoagy Carmichael or Cole Porter, it would have been just as funny.
>> >> It doesn't say a thing about the quality (or lack therof) of rock
>> >> lyrics.
>>
>> > are bad poetry. �ｿｽSome are self-consciously witty in themselves. �ｿｽSome
>> > Carmichael at all?)
>>
>> "They tell me that slide-pipe tooter is grand, Best in Loo-si-an-na;
>> So bring your freighter come and al-liga-tor that band. Mister Hawkins
>> on the tenor!"
>>
>> The trick to what Allen did was to take something silly, something that
>> would be all about the rhythm and the tune, remove those things and
>> could certainly have gotten a laugh with the right bits of "Riverboat
>> if he read "Hong Kong Blues" in a deadpan version of the dialect Hoagy
>> sang it in, he'd get much the same effect.
>
>
>On the other hand, he would have had a hell of a time getting a laugh
>out of
>
>"The silence of a falling star lights up the purple sky
>And while I wonder where you are, I'm so lonesome I could cry."
>
>Hank Williams wrote a lot of intentionally funny lyrics and some that
>were unintentionally funny but the lyrics to that song are not funny.
>
I never liked that Steve Allen bit anyway. It struck me as very condescending
like Peter Paul & Mary's "Rock & Roll Music".
Ted
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> In article <e4def024-08f4-4cfd-9a05-98b571af7...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 11, 12:44 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
> >> On 2009-11-11 04:38:38 -0800, Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> said:
>
> >> > On Nov 10, 1:47 pm, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> In article <drache-E36616.15534507112...@news.eternal-september.org>, eri
> >> > lar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes:
>
> >> >>> In article <27b2d965-45e7-4541-8f65-34ad154e2...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroup
> >> > s.com>, Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the old --
> >> >>>> really, really old -- Tonight Show.
> >> >>> Oh, that was funny 8-)
>
> >> >> Yes, it was. And I'll bet that if he'd done the same thing to lyrics
> >> >> by Hoagy Carmichael or Cole Porter, it would have been just as funny.
> >> >> It doesn't say a thing about the quality (or lack therof) of rock
> >> >> lyrics.
>
> >> > are bad poetry. Some are self-consciously witty in themselves. Some
> >> > Carmichael at all?)
>
> >> "They tell me that slide-pipe tooter is grand, Best in Loo-si-an-na;
> >> So bring your freighter come and al-liga-tor that band. Mister Hawkins
> >> on the tenor!"
>
> >> The trick to what Allen did was to take something silly, something that
> >> would be all about the rhythm and the tune, remove those things and
> >> could certainly have gotten a laugh with the right bits of "Riverboat
> >> if he read "Hong Kong Blues" in a deadpan version of the dialect Hoagy
> >> sang it in, he'd get much the same effect.
>
> >On the other hand, he would have had a hell of a time getting a laugh
> >out of
>
> >"The silence of a falling star lights up the purple sky
> >And while I wonder where you are, I'm so lonesome I could cry."
>
> >Hank Williams wrote a lot of intentionally funny lyrics and some that
> >were unintentionally funny but the lyrics to that song are not funny.
>
> I never liked that Steve Allen bit anyway. It struck me as very condescending
> like Peter Paul & Mary's "Rock & Roll Music".
Try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC3DiNGT0PQ
pay attention to the lyrics.
pt
Robert Carnegie
Of course you can have a different kind of fun with this sort of
material by trying to /identify/ a lyric excerpt, presented as normal
speech, without the tune, rhythm, or indeed the context that made it
make as much sense as it did.
An advanced form of this occurs in British pop panel TV game _Never
Mind the Buzzcocks_ where musician guests participate in a "say the
next line in the song" round and are usually thrown one of their "own"
songs. The failure rate there is striking. I suppose they could be
faking for the purpose of humour.
Will in New Haven
> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Nov 11, 12:44 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
> >> On 2009-11-11 04:38:38 -0800, Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> said:
>
> >> > On Nov 10, 1:47 pm, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> In article <drache-E36616.15534507112...@news.eternal-september.org>, eri
> >> > lar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes:
>
> >> >>> In article <27b2d965-45e7-4541-8f65-34ad154e2...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroup
> >> > s.com>, Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the old --
> >> >>>> really, really old -- Tonight Show.
> >> >>> Oh, that was funny 8-)
>
> >> >> Yes, it was. And I'll bet that if he'd done the same thing to lyrics
> >> >> by Hoagy Carmichael or Cole Porter, it would have been just as funny.
> >> >> It doesn't say a thing about the quality (or lack therof) of rock
> >> >> lyrics.
>
> >> > are bad poetry. Some are self-consciously witty in themselves. Some
> >> > Carmichael at all?)
>
> >> "They tell me that slide-pipe tooter is grand, Best in Loo-si-an-na;
> >> So bring your freighter come and al-liga-tor that band. Mister Hawkins
> >> on the tenor!"
>
> >> The trick to what Allen did was to take something silly, something that
> >> would be all about the rhythm and the tune, remove those things and
> >> could certainly have gotten a laugh with the right bits of "Riverboat
> >> if he read "Hong Kong Blues" in a deadpan version of the dialect Hoagy
> >> sang it in, he'd get much the same effect.
>
> >On the other hand, he would have had a hell of a time getting a laugh
> >out of
>
> >"The silence of a falling star lights up the purple sky
> >And while I wonder where you are, I'm so lonesome I could cry."
>
> >Hank Williams wrote a lot of intentionally funny lyrics and some that
> >were unintentionally funny but the lyrics to that song are not funny.
>
> I never liked that Steve Allen bit anyway. It struck me as very condescending
> like Peter Paul & Mary's "Rock & Roll Music".
>
Steve Allen was awfully good at it. I think it was condescending but I
didn't mind it in those days. I was a bit of a jazz snob myself then,
when I was fourteen. Faux-folk musicians like PP&M being condescending
to anyone just annoyed me. However, Gillian Welch has a song called "I
Want to Sing That Rock & Roll" that I find amusing. It helps that she
is did "White Rabbit" as an encore the last time I saw her.
Derek Lyons
>Try this:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC3DiNGT0PQ
>pay attention to the lyrics.
I bet you can't guess the title of this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoCGKFg-WYw
or:
"You'll dance to anything by The Communards
You'll dance to anything by Book of Love
You'll dance to anything by The Smiths
You'll dance to anything by Depeche Commode
You'll dance to anything by Public Image Limited
You'll dance to anything by Naked Truth
You'll dance to anything by any bunch of stupid Europeans who come
over here
with their big hairdos intent on taking our money instead of giving
your
cash, where it belongs, to a decent American artist like myself!
You'll dance to anything"
Sadly, that one doesn't appear to be online...
D.
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J.J. O'Shea
(in article
<38a659bc-e793-4d4c...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>):
> Of course you can have a different kind of fun with this sort of
> material by trying to /identify/ a lyric excerpt, presented as normal
> speech, without the tune, rhythm, or indeed the context that made it
> make as much sense as it did.
S.M. Stirling does this in many (all?) of his books. I started looking for it
after spotting a few by accident ("John at the bar was a friend of mine, he
got me my drinks for free" and "Off the wind on this heading lie the
Marquesas, we've got 80 feet at the waterline, nicely making way" for two of
the more easily spotted ones, from Billy Joel's 'Piano Man' and Crosby,
Stills & Nash's 'Southern Cross', respectively; Stirling used 'em in _Dies
the Fire_ and _Conquistadore_.) and there's a few books where either I
haven't spotted the line or he didn't do it that time.
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erilar
t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote:
> I never liked that Steve Allen bit anyway. It struck me as very condescending
> like Peter Paul & Mary's "Rock & Roll Music".
I have that song!
Tim McDaniel
"I'm not making this up, you know."
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Will in New Haven
> In article <5f0bab75-2909-4302-b289-70aca9e09...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Nov 10, 8:47 am, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
> >wrote:
> >> In article <drache-E36616.15534507112...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes:
>
> >> >In article
> >> ><27b2d965-45e7-4541-8f65-34ad154e2...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the
> >> >> old -- really, really old -- Tonight Show.
> >> > Oh, that was funny 8-)
>
> >> Yes, it was. And I'll bet that if he'd done the same thing to
> >> lyrics by Hoagy Carmichael or Cole Porter, it would have been just
> >> as funny. It doesn't say a thing about the quality (or lack
> >> therof) of rock lyrics.
>
> >He was pretty selective, too. And it would be _easy_ to do this with
> >much of opera.
>
> "I'm not making this up, you know."
She's so funny that it makes the whole Wagner thing almost
worthwhile.
Dorothy J Heydt
Oh, Wagner is worthwhile. But another example (to return to a
previous state of the thread) of stuff that is maybe better if
you don't understand the language. Not that it's corny so much,
as that it goes on and on and on and on and ... the worst bit, I
think, is in the second act of _Walkuere_ where Wotan and Fricka
argue and argue and argue till you wish Loki or somebody would
set off a firecracker under them.
But some of it is fun. "Siegfried and Fafner, Fafner and
Siegfried, Oh if they would only kill each other!"
Cheryl
> Oh, Wagner is worthwhile. But another example (to return to a
> previous state of the thread) of stuff that is maybe better if
> you don't understand the language. Not that it's corny so much,
> as that it goes on and on and on and on and ... the worst bit, I
> think, is in the second act of _Walkuere_ where Wotan and Fricka
> argue and argue and argue till you wish Loki or somebody would
> set off a firecracker under them.
>
> But some of it is fun. "Siegfried and Fafner, Fafner and
> Siegfried, Oh if they would only kill each other!"
I know lamentably little about music, and won't get into what's
classical and what's not, but I've developed an interest in music I
never used to listen to. I've always liked almost anything called
'choral' (and Victorian stuff like G&S), and soon discovered that
'early', 'renaissance', 'Bach', 'Handel' was generally enjoyable for me.
So I decided to try Wagner, which a moment's thought, even to a music
newbie, might have revealed as not an obvious match for my tastes. I
went to Tristan & Isolde. How long could it be if I didn't like it, I
thought. It's not the Ring Cycle.
Five hours. That's how long. Admittedly, that includes two
intermissions. And there was some beautiful music during it.
But it's a bit of a shock to expect something to last 2-3 hours and then
to stagger out 5 hours later. Wagner does go on and on.
--
Cheryl
Dorothy J Heydt
He does. There's a story about how the great conductor Sir
Thomas Beecham (about whom there are many anecdotes) never used a
score while conducting. He knew the material *that* well. So one
day he was talking to a friend about how he would conduct
_Goetterdaemmerung_ (the final opera of the Ring) that evening.
"Maybe you'd want to use a score, just for once," said she, "to
keep track of all the tempo changes?"
"My dear Ermintrude," said he, "there ARE no tempo changes in
_Goetterdaemmerung_. It just plods on from seven in the evening
till quarter past midnight like a damned old cart-horse."
Will in New Haven
> In article <b9ae7af2-b7ab-4709-a898-6e31b43eb...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Nov 13, 6:45 pm, t...@panix.com (Tim McDaniel) wrote:
> >> In article <5f0bab75-2909-4302-b289-70aca9e09...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
> >> Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On Nov 10, 8:47 am, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> In article <drache-E36616.15534507112...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> >>erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes:
>
> >> >> >In article
> >> >> ><27b2d965-45e7-4541-8f65-34ad154e2...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the
> >> >> >> old -- really, really old -- Tonight Show.
> >> >> > Oh, that was funny 8-)
>
> >> >> Yes, it was. And I'll bet that if he'd done the same thing to
> >> >> lyrics by Hoagy Carmichael or Cole Porter, it would have been just
> >> >> as funny. It doesn't say a thing about the quality (or lack
> >> >> therof) of rock lyrics.
>
> >> >He was pretty selective, too. And it would be _easy_ to do this with
> >> >much of opera.
>
> >> "I'm not making this up, you know."
>
> >She's so funny that it makes the whole Wagner thing almost
> >worthwhile.
>
> Oh, Wagner is worthwhile.
de gustibus.
Don Aitken
Who was it who said that Wagner's music is better than it sounds?
--
Don Aitken
Mail to the From: address is not read.
To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com"
Butch Malahide
>
> Who was it who said that Wagner's music is better than it sounds?
U. S. humorist Bill Nye, 1850-1896, said "I have been told that
Wagner's music is better than it sounds." Sometimes erroneously
attributed to Mark Twain, who *quoted* it in his 1924 _Autobiography_.
Source: Fred R. Shapiro, _The Yale Book of Quotations_.
Mike Schilling
> On Nov 14, 1:25 pm, Don Aitken <don-ait...@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>
>> Who was it who said that Wagner's music is better than it sounds?
>
> U. S. humorist Bill Nye, 1850-1896, said "I have been told that
> Wagner's music is better than it sounds." Sometimes erroneously
> attributed to Mark Twain, who *quoted* it in his 1924
> _Autobiography_.
Published in 1924; written somewhat before that, of course.
Dorothy J Heydt
I dunno. But it would explain why we get so many snippets of
Ride of the Valkryies or Siegfried's Rhine Journey, excised like
tissue samples from the huge bodies in which they grew.
I have a CD set of the complete Ring -- come to that, I have the
same performance on LPs, taking up much more space. Every now
and then I sit down and listen to the whole thing, along with the
Deryck Cook analysis of all the leitmotifs. Of course, I have
time to spend and I can listen to it lying down. :)
erilar
<82c42b49-b47a-4c08...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
I have an album of Wagner played on organ. THAT I like.
erilar
> Who was it who said that Wagner's music is better than it sounds?
No idea, but in my opinion it's much better without singers.
erilar
> But it's a bit of a shock to expect something to last 2-3 hours and then
> to stagger out 5 hours later. Wagner does go on and on.
I don't thnik I could handle a dose of Wagner that big!
Don Aitken
Heydt) wrote:
>In article <ngptf51gtqs517187...@4ax.com>,
>Don Aitken <don-a...@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:11:36 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
>><bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 13, 9:04Â pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>> In article
>><b9ae7af2-b7ab-4709-a898-6e31b43eb...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Will in New Haven  <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >On Nov 13, 6:45Â pm, t...@panix.com (Tim McDaniel) wrote:
>>>> >> In article
>><5f0bab75-2909-4302-b289-70aca9e09...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> >> Will in New Haven  <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> >On Nov 10, 8:47Â am, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
>>>> >> >wrote:
>>>> >> >> In article <drache-E36616.15534507112...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>> >> >>erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>> >> >> >In article
>>>> >> >> ><27b2d965-45e7-4541-8f65-34ad154e2...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> >> >> >Matt Hughes <archon...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> I rather liked Steve Allen reading rock lyrics, deadpan, on the
>>>> >> >> >> old -- really, really old -- Tonight Show.
>>>> >> >> > Â Oh, that was funny 8-)
>>>>
>>>> >> >> Yes, it was. And I'll bet that if he'd done the same thing to
>>>> >> >> lyrics by Hoagy Carmichael or Cole Porter, it would have been just
>>>> >> >> as funny. Â It doesn't say a thing about the quality (or lack
>>>> >> >> therof) of rock lyrics.
>>>>
>>>> >> >He was pretty selective, too. And it would be _easy_ to do this with
>>>> >> >much of opera.
>>>>
>>>> >> "I'm not making this up, you know."
>>>>
>>>> >She's so funny that it makes the whole Wagner thing almost
>>>> >worthwhile.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, Wagner is worthwhile.
>>>
>>>de gustibus.
>>
>>Who was it who said that Wagner's music is better than it sounds?
>
>I dunno. But it would explain why we get so many snippets of
>Ride of the Valkryies or Siegfried's Rhine Journey, excised like
>tissue samples from the huge bodies in which they grew.
>
>I have a CD set of the complete Ring -- come to that, I have the
>same performance on LPs, taking up much more space. Every now
>and then I sit down and listen to the whole thing, along with the
>Deryck Cook analysis of all the leitmotifs. Of course, I have
>time to spend and I can listen to it lying down. :)
A few years ago, the Glatonbury Festival (which is by way of being
Europe's biggest popular music festival) featured a performance of
whichever act includes the Ride of the Valkyries. I was there - the
audience was blown away. I doubt they could have taken much more,
though.
Mike Ash
<963ec3bc-beb0-4f38...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 1:25�pm, Don Aitken <don-ait...@freeuk.com> wrote:
> >
> > Who was it who said that Wagner's music is better than it sounds?
>
> U. S. humorist Bill Nye, 1850-1896, said "I have been told that
> Wagner's music is better than it sounds." Sometimes erroneously
> attributed to Mark Twain, who *quoted* it in his 1924 _Autobiography_.
Humorist and Science Guy? I have to say, his TV shows don't look nearly
as dated as I would expect.
--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
Dorothy J Heydt
erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>In article <7m7htgF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Cheryl <cper...@mun.ca> wrote:
>
>> But it's a bit of a shock to expect something to last 2-3 hours and then
>> to stagger out 5 hours later. Wagner does go on and on.
>
>I don't thnik I could handle a dose of Wagner that big!
Well, as I said, I occasionally haul out the CDs and listen to
the whole schmier, about fourteen hours' worth.
Dorothy J Heydt
That would be act three, Die Walkuere.
I was there - the
>audience was blown away. I doubt they could have taken much more,
>though.
Well, you have to have endurance to sit through four hours of
opera, a goodly part of which consists of people standing still
and singing at each other. A touch of fanaticism helps. Failing
that, get the CDs and lie down.
Walter Bushell
djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> In article <drache-84CE6E....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> >In article <7m7htgF...@mid.individual.net>,
> > Cheryl <cper...@mun.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> But it's a bit of a shock to expect something to last 2-3 hours and then
> >> to stagger out 5 hours later. Wagner does go on and on.
> >
> >I don't thnik I could handle a dose of Wagner that big!
>
> Well, as I said, I occasionally haul out the CDs and listen to
> the whole schmier, about fourteen hours' worth.
Still I think he needed an editor.
My ears would be ringing.
--
A computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard.
Dorothy J Heydt
Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <Kt4rp...@kithrup.com>,
> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>> In article <drache-84CE6E....@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> >In article <7m7htgF...@mid.individual.net>,
>> > Cheryl <cper...@mun.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> But it's a bit of a shock to expect something to last 2-3 hours and then
>> >> to stagger out 5 hours later. Wagner does go on and on.
>> >
>> >I don't thnik I could handle a dose of Wagner that big!
>>
>> Well, as I said, I occasionally haul out the CDs and listen to
>> the whole schmier, about fourteen hours' worth.
>
>Still I think he needed an editor.
>
>My ears would be ringing.
Mine don't.
Mike Schilling
> In article
> <963ec3bc-beb0-4f38...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 14, 1:25 pm, Don Aitken <don-ait...@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Who was it who said that Wagner's music is better than it sounds?
>>
>> U. S. humorist Bill Nye, 1850-1896, said "I have been told that
>> Wagner's music is better than it sounds." Sometimes erroneously
>> attributed to Mark Twain, who *quoted* it in his 1924
>> _Autobiography_.
>
> Humorist and Science Guy?
And card-playing buddy of Truthful James.
John F. Eldredge
I have usually seen that attributed to Mark Twain (the pen name of Samuel
Clemens).
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
Butch Malahide
The Yale Book of Quotations attributes it to this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Wilson_Nye
Don Aitken
My approach is to disregard all attributions to Twain unless backed up
by a very solid cite. The same goes for Churchill, Wilde, Shaw and
Will Rogers; I call them "the usual suspects".
erilar
Don Aitken <don-a...@freeuk.com> wrote:
> My approach is to disregard all attributions to Twain unless backed up
> by a very solid cite. The same goes for Churchill, Wilde, Shaw and
> Will Rogers; I call them "the usual suspects".
You're forgetting the earlier usual suspect: Shakespeare.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Don Aitken
<dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>In article <am0lg5lgk1srgc1ep...@4ax.com>,
> Don Aitken <don-a...@freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>> My approach is to disregard all attributions to Twain unless backed up
>> by a very solid cite. The same goes for Churchill, Wilde, Shaw and
>> Will Rogers; I call them "the usual suspects".
>
>You're forgetting the earlier usual suspect: Shakespeare.
But, unlike the others, an easy one to check, since every word he
wrote is conveniently online.
Robert Carnegie
> My approach is to disregard all attributions to Twain unless backed up
> by a very solid cite. The same goes for Churchill, Wilde, Shaw and
> Will Rogers; I call them "the usual suspects".
If, with the literate, I am
Impelled to try an epigram,
I never seek to take the credit;
We all assume that Oscar said it.
-- "Mark Twain" (Samuel Clemens)
Robert Bannister
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:21:46 -0800 (PST), Butch Malahide
> <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 22, 10:18 pm, "John F. Eldredge" <j...@jfeldredge.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:25:03 +0000, Don Aitken wrote:
>>>> Who was it who said that Wagner's music is better than it sounds?
>>> I have usually seen that attributed to Mark Twain (the pen name of Samuel
>>> Clemens).
>> The Yale Book of Quotations attributes it to this guy:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Wilson_Nye
>
> My approach is to disregard all attributions to Twain unless backed up
> by a very solid cite. The same goes for Churchill, Wilde, Shaw and
> Will Rogers; I call them "the usual suspects".
>
Better add Shakespeare and the Bible.
--
Rob Bannister
Robert Bannister
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:52:55 -0600, erilar
> <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <am0lg5lgk1srgc1ep...@4ax.com>,
>> Don Aitken <don-a...@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My approach is to disregard all attributions to Twain unless backed up
>>> by a very solid cite. The same goes for Churchill, Wilde, Shaw and
>>> Will Rogers; I call them "the usual suspects".
>> You're forgetting the earlier usual suspect: Shakespeare.
>
> But, unlike the others, an easy one to check, since every word he
> wrote is conveniently online.
>
Amazing that he was so conversant with that technology all those years ago.
--
Rob Bannister
Dorothy J Heydt
Uh, no. Dorothy Parker.
In the same series as
If God should send me any son,
I hope he won't be Tennyson.
I'd rather have him play the fiddle
Than rise, and bow, and speak an Idyll.
or
Dante Gabriel Rosetti
Buried all of his libretti,
Thought the matter through, and then
Went and dug them up again.
It's from a series of about ten poems whose main title I forget,
but its subtitle was "A Pig's-Eye View of Literature."
Walter Bushell
Howard Brazee
Heydt) wrote:
>>-- "Mark Twain" (Samuel Clemens)
>
>Uh, no. Dorothy Parker.
Ah, the woman who named her bird Onan.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Dorothy J Heydt
Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:56:22 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>>>-- "Mark Twain" (Samuel Clemens)
>>
>>Uh, no. Dorothy Parker.
>
>Ah, the woman who named her bird Onan.
Yes.
Chuk Goodin
>"You'll dance to anything by The Communards
>You'll dance to anything by Book of Love
>You'll dance to anything by The Smiths
>You'll dance to anything by Depeche Commode
>You'll dance to anything by Public Image Limited
>You'll dance to anything by Naked Truth
>You'll dance to anything by any bunch of stupid Europeans who come
>over here
>with their big hairdos intent on taking our money instead of giving
>your
>cash, where it belongs, to a decent American artist like myself!
>
>You'll dance to anything"
I love the Dead Milkmen.
--
chuk
Butch Malahide
Now that you mention it, I guess Louis Pasteur was an all right guy.
Did you have some other dead milkmen in mind?
Anthony Nance
Yeah, but will you dance to them?
W. Citoan
> On Nov 25, 3:25�pm, cgoo...@sfu.ca (Chuk Goodin) wrote:
> >
> > I love the Dead Milkmen.
>
> Now that you mention it, I guess Louis Pasteur was an all right guy.
Okay, a standard joke response. And not too bad of one by this group's
standards (though Pasteur is a singular and it was Milk*men* so "Louis
Pasteur and Claude Bernard were all right guys" would have fit better).
> Did you have some other dead milkmen in mind?
But what is the point of this question? The answer is obviously "yes"
and it was posted in response to song lyrics so it was clear they are a
band.
- W. Citoan
--
Even the gods do not fight against necessity.
-- Pittacus
Chuk Goodin
Sean Connery. Unless he's not dead yet.
--
chuk
Nicholas Waller
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:49:40 -0500, Robert Carnegie wrote
> (in article
> <38a659bc-e793-4d4c-8ca5-c3ee6f4fa...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Of course you can have a different kind of fun with this sort of
> > material by trying to /identify/ a lyric excerpt, presented as normal
> > speech, without the tune, rhythm, or indeed the context that made it
> > make as much sense as it did.
>
> S.M. Stirling does this in many (all?) of his books. I started looking for it
> after spotting a few by accident ("John at the bar was a friend of mine, he
> got me my drinks for free" and "Off the wind on this heading lie the
> Marquesas, we've got 80 feet at the waterline, nicely making way" for two of
> the more easily spotted ones, from Billy Joel's 'Piano Man' and Crosby,
> Stills & Nash's 'Southern Cross', respectively; Stirling used 'em in _Dies
> the Fire_ and _Conquistadore_.) and there's a few books where either I
> haven't spotted the line or he didn't do it that time.
In Dead Ringers, a British tv impressions show, they start each short
sketch spoof of Newsnight, a nightly news show, with "Kirsty Wark"
intoning some serious-sounding headline followed by "More on that
story later"; the headline is a lyric: "He was a skater boy, she said
see you later boy, he wasn't good enough for her - more on that story
later".
Nick
Butch Malahide
> Butch Malahide wrote:
> > On Nov 25, 3:25 pm, cgoo...@sfu.ca (Chuk Goodin) wrote:
>
> > > I love the Dead Milkmen.
>
> > Now that you mention it, I guess Louis Pasteur was an all right guy.
>
> Okay, a standard joke response. And not too bad of one by this group's
> standards (though Pasteur is a singular and it was Milk*men* so "Louis
> Pasteur and Claude Bernard were all right guys" would have fit better).
>
> > Did you have some other dead milkmen in mind?
>
> But what is the point of this question? The answer is obviously "yes"
> and it was posted in response to song lyrics so it was clear they are a
> band.
I posted a pointless remark to rec.arts.sf.written. Quelles horreurs!
I slink away in shame.
Butch Malahide
> > On Nov 25, 3:25 pm, cgoo...@sfu.ca (Chuk Goodin) wrote:
>
> > > I love the Dead Milkmen.
>
> > Now that you mention it, I guess Louis Pasteur was an all right guy.
>
> Okay, a standard joke response. And not too bad of one by this group's
> standards (though Pasteur is a singular and it was Milk*men* so "Louis
> Pasteur and Claude Bernard were all right guys" would have fit better).
>
> > Did you have some other dead milkmen in mind?
>
> But what is the point of this question? The answer is obviously "yes"
> and it was posted in response to song lyrics so it was clear they are a
> band.
I was trying to milk the joke.
Robert Carnegie
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:56:22 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> Heydt) wrote:
>
> >>-- "Mark Twain" (Samuel Clemens)
> >
> >Uh, no. Dorothy Parker.
>
> Ah, the woman who named her bird Onan.
I figured somebody would spill - the misattribution was deliberate
(this time!) But not done to tease - not with unkind intent, just
whimsy.
Robert Carnegie
> Howard Brazee wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:56:22 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> > Heydt) wrote:
> >
> > >>-- "Mark Twain" (Samuel Clemens)
> > >
> > >Uh, no. Dorothy Parker.
> >
> > Ah, the woman who named her bird Onan.
>
> I figured somebody would spill - the misattribution was deliberate
> (this time!)
And, uh, I did only mean "misattribution". And not what I just
realised it sounded like.
> But not done to tease - not with unkind intent, just
> whimsy.
..as you see.
* still blushing *
Mike Schilling
> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> Howard Brazee wrote:
>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:56:22 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>> Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>>>> -- "Mark Twain" (Samuel Clemens)
>>>>
>>>> Uh, no. Dorothy Parker.
>>>
>>> Ah, the woman who named her bird Onan.
>>
>> I figured somebody would spill - the misattribution was deliberate
>> (this time!)
"Spill?" "Spiel. It iss to tell". -- Weinbaum, "A Martian Odyssey"
David DeLaney
>Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> Howard Brazee wrote:
>> > djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>> > >>-- "Mark Twain" (Samuel Clemens)
>> > >
>> > >Uh, no. Dorothy Parker.
>> >
>> > Ah, the woman who named her bird Onan.
>>
>> I figured somebody would spill - the misattribution was deliberate
>> (this time!)
>
>And, uh, I did only mean "misattribution". And not what I just
>realised it sounded like.
Anyone know any songs about misattribution?
Dave "or know anyone who is said to have known one?" DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Robert Carnegie
> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> >Robert Carnegie wrote:
> >> Howard Brazee wrote:
> >> > djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> >> > >>-- "Mark Twain" (Samuel Clemens)
> >> > >
> >> > >Uh, no. Dorothy Parker.
> >> >
> >> > Ah, the woman who named her bird Onan.
> >>
> >> I figured somebody would spill - the misattribution was deliberate
> >> (this time!)
> >
> >And, uh, I did only mean "misattribution". And not what I just
> >realised it sounded like.
>
> Anyone know any songs about misattribution?
>
> Dave "or know anyone who is said to have known one?" DeLaney
Uh, "I Shot the Sheriff (But I Did Not Shoot the Deputy)" maybe? Or
Shaggy's recent hit "It Wasn't Me". (Although it was.)
Or "Lobachevsky", but that's misappropriation.
Or "They all laughed at Christopher Columbus, when he said the world
was round." He didn't, particularly. Everyone - nearly everyone -
knew already that the world is round. Or maybe that's why they
laughed.
Then again perhaps you mean
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Japanese>
And one notable work by "Ivor Biggun".
Kurt Busiek
> David DeLaney wrote:
>> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>>> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>>> Howard Brazee wrote:
>>>>> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>>>>> -- "Mark Twain" (Samuel Clemens)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uh, no. Dorothy Parker.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, the woman who named her bird Onan.
>>>>
>>>> I figured somebody would spill - the misattribution was deliberate
>>>> (this time!)
>>>
>>> And, uh, I did only mean "misattribution". And not what I just
>>> realised it sounded like.
>>
>> Anyone know any songs about misattribution?
>>
>> Dave "or know anyone who is said to have known one?" DeLaney
>
> Uh, "I Shot the Sheriff (But I Did Not Shoot the Deputy)" maybe? Or
> Shaggy's recent hit "It Wasn't Me". (Although it was.)
"Long Black Veil" and "The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia," perhaps?
kdb
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"Two Silhouettes on the Shade"?
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"Escape" (The Pina Colada song)?
"Lola"?
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