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Ahasuerus

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Sep 8, 2009, 2:07:41 AM9/8/09
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As I am sure many of you have noticed, we have added a lot of data,
including cover art, interior illustrations, interviews and reviews,
to the ISFDB records over the last 3 years. Although this data is
valuable, we are getting concerned that some of our publication-
specific pages, especially magazine pages, are getting so busy that
it's hard to see the core data.

We have a special "Concise mode" which shows only fiction and essays
-- e.g. compare and contrast http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57657
and http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57657+c -- but it's not clear
how many users find the link among many other links in the navigation
bar. Should we make it more prominent and put it next to the
"Contents" label? Should we do it just for magazine issues? Is it
useful?

Christopher Henrich

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Sep 8, 2009, 2:06:32 PM9/8/09
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In article
<8ba60594-0bfa-424b...@s39g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:

I didn't know about the "concise listing." I find it attractive, and
would welcome a "preference" that a frequent visitor to the isfdb could
set for himself.

But putting the link under "other bibliographies" is mystifying to me.
If I had looked for a way to get a more compact listing, I would have
taken a long, long time to find it over there. I still do not understand
how the concise listing is an "other bibliography." (My keyboard wants
to say "bilbiography.")

--
Christopher J. Henrich
chen...@monmouth.com
http://www.mathinteract.com
"A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver." -- Boon

Cece

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Sep 8, 2009, 3:59:59 PM9/8/09
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On Sep 8, 1:06 pm, Christopher Henrich <chenr...@monmouth.com> wrote:
> In article
> <8ba60594-0bfa-424b-b292-f44b5c260...@s39g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,

>
>  Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> wrote:
> > As I am sure many of you have noticed, we have added a lot of data,
> > including cover art, interior illustrations, interviews and reviews,
> > to the ISFDB records over the last 3 years. Although this data is
> > valuable, we are getting concerned that some of our publication-
> > specific pages, especially magazine pages, are getting so busy that
> > it's hard to see the core data.
>
> > We have a special "Concise mode" which shows only fiction and essays
> > -- e.g. compare and contrasthttp://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57657
> > andhttp://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57657+c-- but it's not clear

> > how many users find the link among many other links in the navigation
> > bar. Should we make it more prominent and put it next to the
> > "Contents" label? Should we do it just for magazine issues? Is it
> > useful?
>
> I didn't know about the "concise listing." I find it attractive, and
> would welcome a "preference" that a frequent visitor to the isfdb could
> set for himself.
>
> But putting the link under "other bibliographies" is mystifying to me.
> If I had looked for a way to get a more compact listing, I would have
> taken a long, long time to find it over there. I still do not understand
> how the concise listing is an "other bibliography." (My keyboard wants
> to say "bilbiography.")
>
> --
> Christopher J. Henrich
> chenr...@monmouth.comhttp://www.mathinteract.com

> "A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver." -- Boon

I didn't know either!

I use the site a good bit, and have only one complaint -- the recent
inclusion of artwork and lots of irrelevant stuff in the individual
listings of magazine contents. If there were a note for each story of
"Artwork by whoever," I'd be happy, but to list each individual
pen&ink drawing, cluttering up the list? Six lines or more for each
story in an issue is ridiculous.

Butch Malahide

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Sep 8, 2009, 5:26:32 PM9/8/09
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On Sep 8, 1:07 am, Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> wrote:
> As I am sure many of you have noticed, we have added a lot of data,
> including cover art, interior illustrations, interviews and reviews,
> to the ISFDB records over the last 3 years. Although this data is
> valuable, we are getting concerned that some of our publication-
> specific pages, especially magazine pages, are getting so busy that
> it's hard to see the core data.
>
> We have a special "Concise mode" which shows only fiction and essays
> -- e.g. compare and contrasthttp://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57657
> andhttp://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57657+c-- but it's not clear

> how many users find the link among many other links in the navigation
> bar. Should we make it more prominent and put it next to the
> "Contents" label? Should we do it just for magazine issues? Is it
> useful?

Do you have a way of eliminating illos and reviews from title searches?

Konrad Gaertner

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Sep 8, 2009, 5:37:25 PM9/8/09
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Cece wrote:
>
> I use the site a good bit, and have only one complaint -- the recent
> inclusion of artwork and lots of irrelevant stuff in the individual
> listings of magazine contents. If there were a note for each story of
> "Artwork by whoever," I'd be happy, but to list each individual
> pen&ink drawing, cluttering up the list? Six lines or more for each
> story in an issue is ridiculous.

Agreed; I recently checked to make sure I was spelling a story title
correctly, and got "A search for Innsmouth found 58 matches" (22 of
them were cover art or interior art).

So I'd like art to be excluded from Title searches; you can add an
option to search for Artwork for the few would want it.

--
Konrad Gaertner - - - - - - - - - - - - email: kgae...@tx.rr.com
http://kgbooklog.livejournal.com/
"I don't mind hidden depths but I insist that there be a surface."
-- James Nicoll

Ahasuerus

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Sep 8, 2009, 6:07:34 PM9/8/09
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On Sep 8, 5:26 pm, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 1:07 am, Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > As I am sure many of you have noticed, we have added a lot of data,
> > including cover art, interior illustrations, interviews and reviews,
> > to the ISFDB records over the last 3 years. Although this data is
> > valuable, we are getting concerned that some of our publication-
> > specific pages, especially magazine pages, are getting so busy that
> > it's hard to see the core data.
>
> > We have a special "Concise mode" which shows only fiction and essays
> > -- e.g. compare and contrasthttp://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57657
> > andhttp://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57657+c--but it's not clear

> > how many users find the link among many other links in the navigation
> > bar. Should we make it more prominent and put it next to the
> > "Contents" label? Should we do it just for magazine issues? Is it
> > useful?
>
> Do you have a way of eliminating illos and reviews from title searches?

That's our Feature Request 2803812 (https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?
func=detail&aid=2803812&group_id=199503&atid=969757). It had to be
postponed for a while since we were working on revamping Serials, a
time consuming project which was finally completed 20 minute ago. I
will start working on 2803812 later tonight.

Ahasuerus

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Sep 8, 2009, 7:35:45 PM9/8/09
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On Sep 8, 3:59 pm, Cece <ceceliaarmstr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 1:06 pm, Christopher Henrich <chenr...@monmouth.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <8ba60594-0bfa-424b-b292-f44b5c260...@s39g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >  Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> wrote:
> > > As I am sure many of you have noticed, we have added a lot of data,
> > > including cover art, interior illustrations, interviews and reviews,
> > > to the ISFDB records over the last 3 years. Although this data is
> > > valuable, we are getting concerned that some of our publication-
> > > specific pages, especially magazine pages, are getting so busy that
> > > it's hard to see the core data.
>
> > > We have a special "Concise mode" which shows only fiction and essays
> > > -- e.g. compare and contrasthttp://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57657
> > > andhttp://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57657+c--but it's not clear

> > > how many users find the link among many other links in the navigation
> > > bar. Should we make it more prominent and put it next to the
> > > "Contents" label? Should we do it just for magazine issues? Is it
> > > useful?
>
> > I didn't know about the "concise listing." I find it attractive, and
> > would welcome a "preference" that a frequent visitor to the isfdb could
> > set for himself.

"User preferences" are on our list of things to do (Feature Request
2823095 - https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2823095&group_id=199503&atid=969757)
and we hope to have it implemented by the end of the year.

> > But putting the link under "other bibliographies" is mystifying to me.
> > If I had looked for a way to get a more compact listing, I would have
> > taken a long, long time to find it over there. I still do not understand
> > how the concise listing is an "other bibliography."

"Other Bibliographies" is a section in the navigation bar that lists
other ways of viewing a particular bibliography. For example, the
default ("summary") version of Heinlein's bibliography is at
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Robert%20A.%20Heinlein ; an
alphabetized version is available at http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Robert%20A.%20Heinlein;
a chronological listing is available at http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?Robert%20A.%20Heinlein
and a list of his awards is at http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/eaw.cgi?Robert%20A.%20Heinlein
. They are all inter-linked via the "Other Bibliographies" section of
the navigation bar.

> > (My keyboard wants to say "bilbiography.")

It's available on J. R. R. Tolkien's Summary Bibliography page :-)

> I didn't know either!

It sounds like we may want to move these links out of the navigation
bar area and to the top of the main page. Thanks for the feedback!

> I use the site a good bit, and have only one complaint -- the recent
> inclusion of artwork and lots of irrelevant stuff in the individual
> listings of magazine contents.  If there were a note for each story of
> "Artwork by whoever," I'd be happy, but to list each individual
> pen&ink drawing, cluttering up the list?  Six lines or more for each
> story in an issue is ridiculous.

A search for "Fiction Titles" is to be added shortly -- see my
response to Butch's comment above.

Ahasuerus

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Sep 8, 2009, 11:44:31 PM9/8/09
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On Sep 8, 6:07 pm, Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 5:26 pm, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]

> > Do you have a way of eliminating illos and reviews from title searches?
>
> That's our Feature Request 2803812 (https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?
> func=detail&aid=2803812&group_id=199503&atid=969757). It had to be
> postponed for a while since we were working on revamping Serials, a
> time consuming project which was finally completed 20 minute ago. I
> will start working on 2803812 later tonight.

You can now search for "Fiction Titles" or "All Titles". The
difference can be quite significant, e.g. "Skylark of" returns 18 hits
vs. 73 hits.

P.S. Suggestions are always welcome, although we can't guarantee that
they will be implemented right away. We have 92 outstanding feature
requests and 56 bug reports as of this evening.

Butch Malahide

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Sep 9, 2009, 1:01:24 AM9/9/09
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2803812 - 92 = 2803720 feature requests already implemented or
rejected?!

Butch Malahide

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Sep 9, 2009, 1:12:06 AM9/9/09
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On Sep 8, 10:44 pm, Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 6:07 pm, Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 8, 5:26 pm, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > Do you have a way of eliminating illos and reviews from title searches?
>
> > That's our Feature Request 2803812 (https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?
> > func=detail&aid=2803812&group_id=199503&atid=969757). It had to be
> > postponed for a while since we were working on revamping Serials, a
> > time consuming project which was finally completed 20 minute ago. I
> > will start working on 2803812 later tonight.
>
> You can now search for "Fiction Titles" or "All Titles". The
> difference can be quite significant, e.g. "Skylark of" returns 18 hits
> vs. 73 hits.

Thanks!

Ahasuerus

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Sep 9, 2009, 1:35:28 AM9/9/09
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We share the pool of feature request (and bug) numbers with other
projects hosted by Sourceforge :)

Ahasuerus

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Sep 10, 2009, 12:47:44 AM9/10/09
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On Sep 8, 3:59 pm, Cece <ceceliaarmstr...@yahoo.com> wrote: [snip]

> I use the site a good bit, and have only one complaint -- the recent
> inclusion of artwork and lots of irrelevant stuff in the individual
> listings of magazine contents.  If there were a note for each story of
> "Artwork by whoever," I'd be happy, but to list each individual
> pen&ink drawing, cluttering up the list?  Six lines or more for each
> story in an issue is ridiculous.

The option to view "Concise Listing" is no longer buried in the
navigation bar on the left. It is now prominently displayed at the top
of the Contents section in REALLY BIG LETTERS :-)

P.S. Again, please don't hesitate to make suggestions. We have been
working with the software for so long that we don't always see the
forest for the trees.

Greg Weeks

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Sep 10, 2009, 7:34:21 AM9/10/09
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On Sep 10, 12:47 am, Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 3:59 pm, Cece <ceceliaarmstr...@yahoo.com> wrote: [snip]
>

> P.S. Again, please don't hesitate to make suggestions. We have been


> working with the software for so long that we don't always see the
> forest for the trees.

How do you report an error in the data in the isfdb?

Greg Weeks

sie...@acm.org

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Sep 10, 2009, 11:09:13 AM9/10/09
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The best way is to edit it yourself to correct it (see <http://
www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Getting_Started>). Anyone may do
this. Failing that, make a post on the ISFDB wiki. (<http://
www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal> is a good place.)
To do either you will need to register an account. This is free, and
fairly easy: you don't even need to supply an email address, just pick
a user name and a password. The wiki and the database proper are
separate applications, and a user must log into them separately, but
they use the same list of accounts, so your user name and PW will be
the same on each.

-DES

Christopher Henrich

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Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:

Thank you! to all who made this happen.

What a world this would be, if every software project were as well
conducted.

--
Christopher J. Henrich
chen...@monmouth.com

Cece

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What is the difference between "as by Winston P. Sanders" on "What'll
You Give?" and "only as by Winston P. Sanders" on "Say It With
Flowers"? It's even more confusing when you know that the two stories
are from the same series; they were originally in magazine (ASF) with
the author named as "Winston P. Sanders." Book publication followed;
both were in the collection _Tales of the Flying Mountains_ with the
author of the book, and therefore all the stories contained therein,
named as Poul Anderson (that's when I discovered WPS was a penname).

Similarly, Robert Randall's Nidorian series shows the five stories on
Garrett's and Silverberg's pages including each other as authors but
"only as by Robert Randall" except at the end of the list, after the
fifth story's line, that fifth story's serialized magazine appearance
is shown "as by Robert Randall." (Huh! Did some other publisher try
to republish the Mark Phillips Psi-Power series, using the horrible
titles thought up by the previous book publisher but the two authors'
real names instead of the penname they'd chosen and quit after the
first book? Brain Twister, 1992.) http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Randall_Garrett
By the way, when I first read "Anything You Can Do," in ASF 62, it was
by Darrell T. Langart, but when I first saw it in book (pb) in the
early '70s (may have been used), it gave the author as Randall Garrett
-- that's how I discovered that was a penname -- but ISFDB indicates
that book pubs continued use of the penname.

Why the heck does an author write a series of stories for mag pubbing
under a penname and then put his real name on the collection of those
stories? If it weren't for that, I'd prefer that the ISFDB author
pages were split up, one page for real name and one page for each
penname.

Ooh! The Concise Listing is just what I wanted. Thanks!

Uh-oh. ASF's Brass Tacks is not an essay; it's the magazine's letters
from readers.

sie...@acm.org

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On Sep 10, 4:03 pm, Cece <ceceliaarmstr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> What is the difference between "as by Winston P. Sanders" on "What'll
> You Give?" and "only as by Winston P. Sanders" on "Say It With
> Flowers"?  It's even more confusing when you know that the two stories
> are from the same series; they were originally in magazine (ASF) with
> the author named as "Winston P. Sanders."  Book publication followed;
> both were in the collection _Tales of the Flying Mountains_ with the
> author of the book, and therefore all the stories contained therein,
> named as Poul Anderson (that's when I discovered WPS was a penname).
>

The listing:
"What'll You Give?" (1963) only appeared as:
* Variant Title: "What'll You Give?" (1963) [as by Winston P.
Sanders ]
* Variant Title: Que Donn'rez Vous? (1970)

indicates that the story was published under the title "What'll You
Give?", and that all such publications (as far as is recorded in the
ISFDB) were under the name Winston P. Sanders, but that it was also
published under the title "Que Donn'rez Vous?" and that that
publication was under the name Poul Anderson. Thus there is no
publication in the ISFDB's records that is titled "What'll You Give?
by Poul Anderson".

The listing:
Say It with Flowers (1965) [only as by Winston P. Sanders ]
# Say It With Flowers (1965)

indicates that this story was entered twice, and needs to be merged
(which i will do as soon as I finish this post). Had only the first
line been present it would have indicated that all publications on
record were under the Sanders name. (The merge was probably missed
because of the difference between "with" and "With")

In general "as by" indicates that a particular publication or variant
was under a particular pen name or form of name (The ISFDB regards
variations like Brian Aldis vs Brian W. Aldis in the same was as true
pen names), while "only as by" indicates that all known publications
of a title are under the pen name or author variant given, and "also
as by" indicates that some but not all publications were under the
specified name. If you drill down to the publication level you will
generally see exactly which publicatiosn were under which names or
name forms.

> Similarly, Robert Randall's Nidorian series shows the five stories on
> Garrett's and Silverberg's pages including each other as authors but
> "only as by Robert Randall" except at the end of the list, after the
> fifth story's line, that fifth story's serialized magazine appearance
> is shown "as by Robert Randall."  

The Dell edition of the book _The Shrouded Planet_ was apparently
published under the author's real names, rather than under the "Robert
Randall" name. All other appearances seem to have been under the joint
pen name. (BTW there are four stories, and two book-length fixups
incorporating those stories listed.) Serial appearances are displayed
slightly differently from other apparent.


>
(Huh!  Did some other publisher try
> to republish the Mark Phillips Psi-Power series, using the horrible
> titles thought up by the previous book publisher but the two authors'
> real names instead of the penname they'd chosen and quit after the
> first book?  Brain Twister, 1992.)  http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Randall_Garrett

Again, if you click on the titles you will get the detailed
publication info, which will tell you what combinations of title and
author credit appeared, or at least have been entered into the ISFDB.

> By the way, when I first read "Anything You Can Do," in ASF 62, it was
> by Darrell T. Langart, but when I first saw it in book (pb) in the
> early '70s (may have been used), it gave the author as Randall Garrett
> -- that's how I discovered that was a penname -- but ISFDB indicates
> that book pubs continued use of the penname.

One edition, under the title _Earth Invader_ used Garrett's real name.
So did the Lancer edition. That is why this listing says "also
appeared as:" and not "only appeared as". The Doubleday, Mayflower,
and project Gutenberg editions retained the Langart pen name.


>
> Why the heck does an author write a series of stories for mag pubbing
> under a penname and then put his real name on the collection of those
> stories?  If it weren't for that, I'd prefer that the ISFDB author
> pages were split up, one page for real name and one page for each
> penname.

There are various reasons. In the case of "Darrell T. Langart" John W.
Campbell told Garrett that he was overstocked with Garrett stories,
and not to send in anything for at least 6 months. He submitted the
stories under the name "Darrell T. Langart" (which is an anagram of
his own name) by mail so that JWC wouldn't know that they were
Garrett's. According to the printed intro to one ed. of "Earth
Invader" JWC later told Garrett that he should try to write more like
Langart.

It was often considered a no-no for one author to have two or more
stories in the same issue of a magazine, so the 2nd story would be
printed under a pen-name. But when collecting his stories, the author
may well want then all under his (or her) own name, or primary writing
name. The same may apply to pen names used for any of various reaosn,
not always by the wish of the author, or for reaosn that no longer
apply years later.


>
> Ooh!  The Concise Listing is just what I wanted.  Thanks!
>
> Uh-oh.  ASF's Brass Tacks is not an essay; it's the magazine's letters
> from readers.

The ISFDB uses "essay" for pretty much any text that is not fiction,
not poetry, and is shorter than book length, including story
introductions and afterwards, prefaces, letter columns, review
columns, glossaries, appendices, etc.

-DES

sie...@acm.org

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On Sep 10, 4:03 pm, Cece <ceceliaarmstr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> What is the difference between "as by Winston P. Sanders" on "What'll
> You Give?" and "only as by Winston P. Sanders" on "Say It With
> Flowers"?  It's even more confusing when you know that the two stories
> are from the same series; they were originally in magazine (ASF) with
> the author named as "Winston P. Sanders."  Book publication followed;
> both were in the collection _Tales of the Flying Mountains_ with the
> author of the book, and therefore all the stories contained therein,
> named as Poul Anderson (that's when I discovered WPS was a penname).
>

Our records of _Tales of the Flying Mountains_ (for example
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MLO262) show the collection under
Anderson's own name, but some of the stories still bylined as by
Sanders. This may be an error, but sometimes collections do indicate
the original pen name for particualr storeis, in which case that is
who they are listed.

-DES

Ahasuerus

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Sep 11, 2009, 1:17:20 AM9/11/09
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On Sep 10, 2:04 pm, Christopher Henrich <chenr...@monmouth.com> wrote:
[snip]

> Thank you! to all who made this happen.
>
> What a world this would be, if every software project were as well conducted.

Thanks for the kind words. We don't always succeed, but we certainly
try :-)

Ahasuerus

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Sep 11, 2009, 1:38:53 AM9/11/09
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On Sep 10, 4:03 pm, Cece <ceceliaarmstr...@yahoo.com> wrote: [snip]

> Why the heck does an author write a series of stories for mag pubbing
> under a penname and then put his real name on the collection of those
> stories?  If it weren't for that, I'd prefer that the ISFDB author
> pages were split up, one page for real name and one page for each
> penname. [snip]

There is a way to see all titles that have appeared as by a certain
pseudonym. You have to go to that pseudonym's page, e.g.
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Brett_Sterling for "Brett
Sterling", and select "Show All Titles" in the navigation bar, which
will take you to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/ta_search.cgi?exact%3D2498
and show you all titles that have appeared under this particular name.
This page is mostly used for editing and merging titles, so it's not
very user-friendly. We have discussed beefing it up in case someone
wants to know what books and stories have appeared as by "Edward J.
Bellin" or what have you.

Butch Malahide

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On Sep 11, 12:38 am, Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> wrote: [snip]

What is the title of the story by Neil R. Jones in Wonder Stories
Quarterly, Winter, 1932? Is it "Spacewrecked on Venus" as given by
Day's Index, or is it "Shipwrecked on Venus" as in the ISFDB?

sie...@acm.org

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Sep 11, 2009, 11:32:15 AM9/11/09
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That publication has not been verified, so i don't know what the data
source was. I therefore cannot say what reason, if any, there was to
have a title different from the Day index. Those two titles are close
enough that it would be easy for an error to have been made, either by
Day, or by whoever entered the data from which the ISFDB record was
derived.

The Pulp magazines index at L'encyclopedie Francophone de la SF (see
<http://www.collectorshowcase.fr/wonder_stories_page_1.htm>) gives the
title as "Shipwrecked on Venus • Neil R. Jones • nv" and has a cover
image, which suggests that the compiler was working from an actual
copy, not another secondary source.

"Books from the Crypt" has a copy for sale via ABE and other sites;
they list the story as "Spacewrecked". If you want to shell out about
$15, you can buy this copy and get exact info, and then correct the
ISFDB if it is incorrect. and verify the listing.

I don't have access to Contento's _Science Fiction, Fantasy, & Weird
Fiction Magazine Index: 1890-2001_ which would probably settle the
matter. Locus magazine sells this on CD-rom.

No other online source I have checked has a contents listing for this
publication. OCLC has no such listing, nor does FictionMags nor
GalacticCentral, nor several other online indices.

-DES

Ahasuerus

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On Sep 11, 11:32 am, sie...@acm.org wrote:
> On Sep 11, 3:56 am, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What is the title of the story by Neil R. Jones in Wonder Stories
> > Quarterly, Winter, 1932? Is it "Spacewrecked on Venus" as given by
> > Day's Index, or is it "Shipwrecked on Venus" as in the ISFDB?
>
> That publication has not been verified, so i don't know what the data
> source was. I therefore cannot say what reason, if any, there was to
> have a title different from the Day index. Those two titles are close
> enough that it would be easy for an error to have been made, either by
> Day, or by whoever entered the data from which the ISFDB record was
> derived.
>
> The Pulp magazines index at L'encyclopedie Francophone de la SF (see
> <http://www.collectorshowcase.fr/wonder_stories_page_1.htm>) gives the
> title as "Shipwrecked on Venus • Neil R. Jones • nv" and has a cover
> image, which suggests that the compiler was working from an actual
> copy, not another secondary source.
> [snip]

> I don't have access to Contento's _Science Fiction, Fantasy, & Weird
> Fiction Magazine Index: 1890-2001_ which would probably settle the
> matter. Locus magazine sells this on CD-rom.

L'encyclopedie Francophone's data comes, to a very large extent, from
Miller/Contento, so the latter probably uses "Shipwrecked" as well.
However, _Science-Fiction: The Gernsback Years: A Complete Coverage of
the Genre_ by the Bleilers lists the story as "Spacewrecked on Venus",
so it's Day (including the corrected 1982 edition) and the Bleilers
vs., presumably, Miller/Contento. Bleiler is probably the best early
STF pulp source we have, but the discrepancy is certainly worth
documenting in ISFDB Notes. (I believe I have a copy in my collection,
but it's currently not available.)

Butch Malahide

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Sep 11, 2009, 5:25:00 PM9/11/09
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Many thanks to both of you for your replies. I believe I will buy
myself a copy of the magazine.

sie...@acm.org

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Sep 11, 2009, 5:41:55 PM9/11/09
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If you do, please please log on to the ISFDB, correct anything in
error, and mark the magazine as verified. Then everyone will in future
be able to find the right answer and know that it is right (or at
least know what you said was right). Corrections can also be sent to
whichever of the sources is wrong.

-DES

Robert A. Woodward

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Sep 12, 2009, 12:51:33 AM9/12/09
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In article
<b689f96b-c426-456f...@g31g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
,
Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:

I happen to have a copy of this magazine and the title of the Neil
R. Jones story is "Spacewrecked on Venus".

--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>

Butch Malahide

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Sep 12, 2009, 3:44:22 AM9/12/09
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On Sep 11, 11:51 pm, "Robert A. Woodward" <rober...@drizzle.com>
wrote:
> In article
> <b689f96b-c426-456f-ab31-be20c9ba4...@g31g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
> ,

>  Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 11, 12:38 am, Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> wrote: [snip]
>
> > What is the title of the story by Neil R. Jones in Wonder Stories
> > Quarterly, Winter, 1932? Is it "Spacewrecked on Venus" as given by
> > Day's Index, or is it "Shipwrecked on Venus" as in the ISFDB?
>
> I happen to have a copy of this magazine and the title of the Neil
> R. Jones story is "Spacewrecked on Venus".

Thanks! Nice collection you have there.

Ahasuerus

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Sep 12, 2009, 8:55:53 AM9/12/09
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On Sep 12, 12:51 am, "Robert A. Woodward" <rober...@drizzle.com>
>  Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 11, 12:38 am, Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> wrote: [snip]
>
> > What is the title of the story by Neil R. Jones in Wonder Stories
> > Quarterly, Winter, 1932? Is it "Spacewrecked on Venus" as given by
> > Day's Index, or is it "Shipwrecked on Venus" as in the ISFDB?
>
> I happen to have a copy of this magazine and the title of the Neil
> R. Jones story is "Spacewrecked on Venus".

ISFDB record corrected; thanks!

William December Starr

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Sep 12, 2009, 11:43:29 PM9/12/09
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In article <b0ad39f1-a7ee-4cca...@w36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> said:

> The option to view "Concise Listing" is no longer buried in the
> navigation bar on the left. It is now prominently displayed at the
> top of the Contents section in REALLY BIG LETTERS :-)

I'm missing something really obvious. Where is this Contents
section?

-- wds

Butch Malahide

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Sep 13, 2009, 12:11:37 AM9/13/09
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On Sep 12, 10:43 pm, wdst...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
> In article <b0ad39f1-a7ee-4cca-8aa1-53403173e...@w36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,

> Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> said:
>
> > The option to view "Concise Listing" is no longer buried in the
> > navigation bar on the left. It is now prominently displayed at the
> > top of the Contents section in REALLY BIG LETTERS :-)
>
> I'm missing something really obvious.  Where is this Contents
> section?

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?ASTJUN1930

Cece

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Sep 14, 2009, 5:47:16 PM9/14/09
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On Sep 10, 4:41 pm, sie...@acm.org wrote:
> On Sep 10, 4:03 pm, Cece <ceceliaarmstr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > What is the difference between "as by Winston P. Sanders" on "What'll
> > You Give?" and "only as by Winston P. Sanders" on "Say It With
> > Flowers"?  It's even more confusing when you know that the two stories
> > are from the same series; they were originally in magazine (ASF) with
> > the author named as "Winston P. Sanders."  Book publication followed;
> > both were in the collection _Tales of the Flying Mountains_ with the
> > author of the book, and therefore all the stories contained therein,
> > named as Poul Anderson (that's when I discovered WPS was a penname).
>
> Our records of _Tales of the Flying Mountains_ (for examplehttp://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MLO262) show the collection under

> Anderson's own name, but some of the stories still bylined as by
> Sanders. This may be an error, but sometimes collections do indicate
> the original pen name for particualr storeis, in which case that is
> who they are listed.
>
> -DES

Ah. I don't remember; it was a hardcover that I found in a library --
in the general fiction area, not the SF area -- many years ago.
Mid-'70s, about.

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