DAW format question
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
1) When did the switch from white page exteriors (?)to yellow border
page exteriors take place?
2) When did the switch from the familiar yellow/logo look take
place.
The first switch was pretty minor though I liked the white pages better.
The second switch was major, and now DAW books are completely indistinct
from any other paperback line..
Ted
James Nicoll
my library, it looks like the yellow spines disappeared around 1985 or
so and was probably something Elizabeth Wollheim dropped after she took
over.
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> In article <QoAPg.5178$KR1....@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>As long as we are doing DAW:
>>
>> 1) When did the switch from white page exteriors (?)to yellow border
>> page exteriors take place?
>> 2) When did the switch from the familiar yellow/logo look take
>> place.
>>
>>The first switch was pretty minor though I liked the white pages better.
>>The second switch was major, and now DAW books are completely indistinct
>>from any other paperback line..
>>
> My google-fu is too weak but poking around online and through
> my library, it looks like the yellow spines disappeared around 1985 or
> so and was probably something Elizabeth Wollheim dropped after she took
> over.
Checking a copy of _The Man of Gold_ (DAW, 1984), it does not have a
yellow spine. ISTR that that was the first time I noticed a DAW book
without a yellow spine, so I suspect that eighty-four was when the
changeover took place.
Joseph T Major
Don Erikson
<tednolan>) wrote:
>As long as we are doing DAW:
>
> 1) When did the switch from white page exteriors (?)to yellow border
> page exteriors take place?
The first book with yellow edges were Philip Wylie's THE END OF THE
DREAM. #77 UQ1079 & the other books issued November 1973.
> 2) When did the switch from the familiar yellow/logo look take
> place.
The first non-yellow spine books (not including the Cap Kennedy series
that had black spines ( except the last 2 )) were issued the month of
June 1984: 1984 World's Best SF & , David J. Lakes THE RING OF TRUTH
etc.
>
>The first switch was pretty minor though I liked the white pages better.
>The second switch was major, and now DAW books are completely indistinct
>from any other paperback line..
>
> Ted
I have a detailed bibliography of DAW books I can share, if anyone
would like a copy. It covers all titles and reprints up to December,
2001.
Just contact me and I'll email the text file.
donx ATSIGN pacifier DOT com
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
sigi...@yahoo.com
Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> As long as we are doing DAW:
Just as an aside, I have a lot of the yellow DAW paperbacks from the
'70s. And, you know? They're well-made books.
~30 years later, none of them are falling apart. The pages are
browning visibly, but that's perfectly normal -- the effect is modest,
and the print is still entirely legible. The page corners aren't
flaking yet. Nor are pages falling out; the glue in the binders still
holds. The colors on the covers are only slightly faded.
Note that mine is a reading collection; none of these books have spent
time in bags, they've been exposed to a wide range of environments, and
many have been repeatedly reread.
(Compare and contrast to, say, my Baen copy of Bujold's _Memory_. Less
than ten years old, but the glue in the binder disintegrated in the
first few months, and it's now just a collection of pages in a cover.)
I didn't appreciate DAW enough at the time. But there was some real
love there. Two bucks for something that has lasted thirty years...
quality.
Doug M.
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:
: Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
: > As long as we are doing DAW:
:
: Just as an aside, I have a lot of the yellow DAW paperbacks from the
: '70s. And, you know? They're well-made books.
_and_ good stuff between the covers, too.......
: ~30 years later, none of them are falling apart. The pages are
: browning visibly, but that's perfectly normal -- the effect is
modest,
: and the print is still entirely legible. The page corners aren't
: flaking yet. Nor are pages falling out; the glue in the binders
still
: holds. The colors on the covers are only slightly faded.
:
: Note that mine is a reading collection; none of these books have
spent
: time in bags, they've been exposed to a wide range of environments,
and
: many have been repeatedly reread.
:
: (Compare and contrast to, say, my Baen copy of Bujold's _Memory_.
Less
: than ten years old, but the glue in the binder disintegrated in the
: first few months, and it's now just a collection of pages in a
cover.)
:
: I didn't appreciate DAW enough at the time. But there was some real
: love there. Two bucks for something that has lasted thirty years...
: quality.
I've found copies that looked like someone had tried to beat them to
death, broken spine and all....but still hung together.
I remember getting to the point where I avoided Berkeley Books like
the plague. My copy of "Time Enough for Love" didn't last long at
all.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Don't forget those purple Lancers! Now those were some books that you
would suspect weren't so much bound as shuffled.
Ted
Don Erikson
<tednolan>) wrote:
Post it?
It's a 2.4M text file. About 2000 lines when printed.
Would that be too big?
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I've seen longer. Just flag the subject with "(long)" or some such.
Ted
Ahasuerus
> I have a detailed bibliography of DAW books I can share, if anyone
> would like a copy. It covers all titles and reprints up to December, 2001.
Are you familiar with Steven H. Silver's online bibliography of DAW
books at http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/daw1-100.html ? Perhaps you
could join forces :)
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Don Erikson
wrote:
The list I have is some what different than Silver's.
What my list ( and say "MY" only because it is in what I am using, I
am NOT the original author of this list. It originally came from DAW
Books themselves.) My list covers all reprints that were given new
ISBNs, (some reprints kept the previous number & only changed the
Copyright page numberline). It also gives the "U" number e.i. UQ1001
for Norton's SPELL OF THE WITCH WORLD. Plus it gives ISBN
(0-87997-001-4) & the cover price $0.95.
What Silver's list has that my list does not is cover artist,
(DAW often changed cover artist on reprints. Silver lists only first
printings), month of printing & disciptive notes. (DAW often changed
cover artist on reprints. Silver lists only first printings).
Here's what my list looks like for the first five title:
1 1 UQ1001 0-87997-001-4 Witch World #7: Spell Of The
Witch World Norton, Andre $0.95
178 1 UY1179 0-87997-179-7 Witch World #7: Spell Of The
Witch World Norton, Andre $1.25
415 1 UW1430 0-87997-430-3 Witch World #7: Spell Of The
Witch World Norton, Andre $1.50
609 1 UJ1645 0-87997-645-4 Witch World #7: Spell Of The
Witch World Norton, Andre $1.95
748 1 UE1795 0-87997-795-7 Witch World #7: Spell Of The
Witch World Norton, Andre $2.25
1013 1 UE2093 0-88677-093-9 Witch World #7: Spell Of The
Witch World Norton, Andre $2.50
1143 1 UE2242 0-88677-242-7 Witch World #7: Spell Of The
Witch World Norton, Andre $3.50
2 2 UQ1002 0-87997-002-2 The Mind Behind The Eye Green,
Joseph $0.95
3 3 UQ1003 0-87997-003-0 The Probability Man Ball,
Brian N. $0.95
4 4 UQ1004 0-87997-004-9 The Book Of Van Vogt van
Vogt, A.E. $0.95
471 4 UE1491 0-87997-491-5 Lost: Fifty Suns van
Vogt, A.E. $1.75
5 5 UQ1005 0-87997-005-7 Donald A. Wollheim Presents
#01: The 1972 Annual World's Best Sf Wollheim, Donald A. (ed) $0.95
81 5 UQ1081 0-87997-081-2 Donald A. Wollheim Presents
#01: The 1972 Annual World's Best Sf Wollheim, Donald A. (ed) $0.95
342 5 UE1349 0-87997-349-8 Wollheim's World's Best Sf
Series: Vol. 1 Wollheim, Donald A. (ed) $1.75
Phillip SanMiguel
2000 lines long isn't so bad--it's that the lines would be 1200
characters wide...
Ahasuerus
> >Are you familiar with Steven H. Silver's online bibliography of DAW
> >books at http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/daw1-100.html ? Perhaps you
> >could join forces :)
>
> What my list ( and say "MY" only because it is in what I am using, I
> am NOT the original author of this list. It originally came from DAW
> Books themselves.) My list covers all reprints that were given new
> ISBNs, (some reprints kept the previous number & only changed the
> Copyright page numberline). It also gives the "U" number e.i. UQ1001
> for Norton's SPELL OF THE WITCH WORLD. Plus it gives ISBN
> (0-87997-001-4) & the cover price $0.95.
> What Silver's list has that my list does not is cover artist,
> (DAW often changed cover artist on reprints. Silver lists only first
> printings), month of printing & disciptive notes.
>
>
>
> 1 1 UQ1001 0-87997-001-4 Witch World #7: Spell Of The
> Witch World Norton, Andre $0.95
> 178 1 UY1179 0-87997-179-7 Witch World #7: Spell Of The
> Witch World Norton, Andre $1.25
> 415 1 UW1430 0-87997-430-3 Witch World #7: Spell Of The
Oh, I see! Yes, that's useful information, but it's probably best made
available on the Web rather than as a mega-post on Usenet. I have
created a placeholder page in the Internet Speculative Fiction Database
Wiki at http://isfdb.tamu.edu/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:DAW . If you
want to post the list there, I can then make the page read-only.
At some point we will likely compare it with what we have in the ISFDB
proper and make necessary adjustments to the database, but we can also
keep the master list intact for users who are interested specifically
in DAW titles. Well, since it's over 2Mb in size, "intact" implies that
we reserve the right to break it up into somewhat more manageable
chunks :)
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Ahasuerus
Don Erikson
wrote:
I put the information up on the ISFDB page. I hope I didn't screw it
up!
Don Erikson
Ahasuerus
> I put the information up on the ISFDB page. I hope I didn't screw it up!
No worries, it's all there :) I have prettified and protected the page.
Many thanks!
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Ahasuerus
Marc Kupper
#1 - I have not paid attention to the page exteriors and would need to
dig through my collection.
#2 - The last of the old yellow covers I have is UE1939 "Demon in the
Skull" (1st printing) by Frederik Pohl published Jul-1984.
The first of the new covers that I have is UE1946 "The Ceres Solution"
(1st printing) by Bob Shaw published Aug-1984.
Thus the switch was around Jul-1984 to Aug-1984.
My personal DAW list has a column for old/new covers and I can see some
toggling between old/new from UE1928 to UE1946 but as I don't have
copies of the books I can't say for sure which ones are old and which
ones are new.
I have seen cover scans of UE1945 "Native Tongue" which was printed
immediately before my UE1946 that have the new cover but I've been
unable to pin down (but have not spent a great deal of time on it
either) where in UE1940 to UE1944 was the switch from the yellow to new
style covers. One clue is it seems DAW skipped over UE1944 (ISBN
0-87997-944-5).
To add to the complication DAW printed some books with the old yellow
cover and later reprinted them with new covers using the same "U" code
and ISBN. For example, I see on AbeBooks a second printing of UE1928
"Sword and Sorceress I" (first published in May-1984) with the old
cover. I have a 4th printing of UE1928 (cover price $2.95) with the
new cover.
It's understanding that DAW would change the U code (and ISBN) when
they changed the cover price meaning that DAW kept the $2.95 price as
they switched from the yellow to new covers for UE1928.
Marc
Marc Kupper
> http://isfdb.tamu.edu/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:DAW
> I put the information up on the ISFDB page. I hope I didn't
> screw it up!
Don, it's a good list and I've been reconciling it with my own
list. I've got a couple of questions about this list.
1) What's the first column? I see that it contains a unique
number from 1 to 1621 and that 156 rows do not have a number with
most of those being towards the bottom of the list.
2) Don, did you invent the column names or are those from DAW?
For example, I had never seen the terms "Logo #" or "Order #" in
DAW's books though as I'm familiar with the books I understood
the terms. The reason I ask is if these are official DAW terms
then I might as well change the column names in my own list.
3) The list has some errors, some of which are corrected in the
footnotes. Why weren't the footnoted corrections applied to the
main list? Is the main list supposed to be exactly as you got it
from DAW?
4) Do you want corrections and/or additions and how should they
be sent in? For example here are some corrections to the Order #
field.
Logo # Order # ISBN #
566 423 UE1797 0-87997-597-0 Order # should be UE1597
443 338 UE2460 0-87997-460-5 Order # should be UE1460
1604 1072 UE2765 0-88677-756-9 Order # should be UE2756
The following are probably easier to fix with a global
search/replace as some order #s used an "l" (ell) instead of a
"1" (one) and one used an "O" (oh) instead of a "0" (zero).
Change Order # from UWl311 to UW1311
Change Order # from UWl312 to UW1312
Change Order # from UWl313 to UW1313
Change Order # from UWl319 to UW1319
Change Order # from UWl326 to UW1326
Change Order # from UWl329 to UW1329
Change Order # from UWl332 to UW1332
Change Order # from UWl335 to UW1335
Change Order # from UWl341 to UW1341
Change Order # from UEl811 to UE1811
Change Order # from UEl9lO to UE1910 (Three corrections needed
as this one has UE-ell-9-ell-oh)
Marc
Don Erikson
wrote:
>Don Erikson wrote:
>> http://isfdb.tamu.edu/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:DAW
>> I put the information up on the ISFDB page. I hope I didn't
>> screw it up!
>
>Don, it's a good list and I've been reconciling it with my own
>list. I've got a couple of questions about this list.
>
>1) What's the first column? I see that it contains a unique
>number from 1 to 1621 and that 156 rows do not have a number with
>most of those being towards the bottom of the list.
>
This column is the order in which the book was published. DAW seemed
to
to have stopped updating this column at some time. The gaps appear to
be
reprints from the time after their updating.
>2) Don, did you invent the column names or are those from DAW?
>For example, I had never seen the terms "Logo #" or "Order #" in
>DAW's books though as I'm familiar with the books I understood
>the terms. The reason I ask is if these are official DAW terms
>then I might as well change the column names in my own list.
>
According to the person I got this list from, this list is directly
from DAW.
The column headings are original from list. "Logo#" is "Collectors
Number".
I believe this list was originally for retailers to order books, hence
"Order #".
>3) The list has some errors, some of which are corrected in the
>footnotes. Why weren't the footnoted corrections applied to the
>main list? Is the main list supposed to be exactly as you got it
>from DAW?
>
The main list is as I received it. The correction I made were for my
own use
and I never expected to be sharing them publicly. The reason they are
not intergrated
into thr main list is that I was too lazy. I should note that the
corrections I made
are not definitive, I only made them by comparing with my personal
collection. There are likely many more to be made, especially
concerning prices
of later books.
>4) Do you want corrections and/or additions and how should they
>be sent in? For example here are some corrections to the Order #
>field.
I personally love it if you sent ME corrections , you seem to have a
keener eye than I.
But for the ISFDB I don't know. If you posted them here maybe
Ahar-whoz-its (sorry)
could use them
Marc Kupper
Marc Kupper asked:
>1) What's the first column? I see that it contains a unique
>number from 1 to 1621 and that 156 rows do not have a number with
>most of those being towards the bottom of the list.
Don Erikson replies:
> This column is the order in which the book was published. DAW
> seemed to have stopped updating this column at some time. The
> gaps appear to be reprints from the time after their updating.
That does not make sense to me. If you sort by the first column
you'll see that it goes from 1 to 1621 with no gaps or duplicates.
I had first assumed that the 1-1621 rows were from DAW and that
you had then "filled in the gaps the list had" by adding the
unnumbered rows. That the entire list is from DAW increases the
mystery.
My personal list has what I call the "U-Number" which is the
numeric part of the Order # field. For UQ1001 the U-Number is
1001. The U-Number is the order in which DAW published books.
Sometimes they prefix the number with UQ and other times it was
UW, UE, UT, or UJ. My observation is that DAW never assigned the
same U-number to two different books though on some very rare
occasions they would repackage a book with a new cover or price
and keep the same U-Number. DAW also never used two different
letter codes with the same U-Number. For example, if a book was
published as UW1102 then there was never a UQ1102, UE1102, etc.
While DAW never duplicated a U-Number (giving the same number to
two different books) they did regularly skip numbers. For
example, from May-1974 (Ux1298) to mid-2000 (UE2957) DAW never
published a book whose ISBN would end in "X." This meant they
skipped over roughly one in eleven numbers (the last character of
the ISBN is a modulo 11 value that could contain 0 to 9 or X). I'm
guessing that in 1974 they got a computer system that could not
handle an "X" in the ISBN and that Y2K forced them to upgrade.
> But for the ISFDB I don't know. If you posted them here maybe
> Ahar-whoz-its (sorry) could use them
Ok I'll send corrections to you and will see if Ahasuerus pops
up. I personally would like to see a definitive/accurate list
posted on a web site and preferably a wiki style one that
supports tracking of changes people make. Wikipedia though is a
poor choice for a table that contains 2000+ rows.
I've thought about posting my list and asking for corrections but
the DAW list is actually a pretty good start. My question then
becomes is anything said by DAW "golden" or should we make
corrections to errors and/or adding new columns such as
publication date? For example, in my own list I separate the
series name/number out of the title. For example, in DAW list has
"Otherland #2: RIVER OF BLUE FIRE" while I have for this book
Title: River of Blue Fire
Series: Otherland #2
I personally would prefer to have a separate Title and Series
column but if there's a consensus for keeping DAW's original list
"as is" then I'll keep my list to myself and just note there that
DAW called the book "Otherland #2: RIVER OF BLUE FIRE."
For example, UE2077 is listed as "Ibis" but if you look at the book
cover it has "IBIS" in large letters on one line and "WITCH QUEEN
OF
THE HIVE WORLD" (sorry about the all-caps but that's the way it is
on the cover) in much smaller letters on a second line. The spine
and title page have just "IBIS" meaning I'm not sure where to
file
"Witch Queen of the Hive World." FWIW, Google says 25,300 pages for
linda steele ibis and only three(!) pages mention "Witch Queen of
the Hive World." Darn, I may have shot myself in the foot but I
have the book right in front of me and assumed the sub-title
would be well known...
Marc
Ahasuerus
> Ok l send corrections to you and will see if Ahasuerus pops up.
Thanks, I have aded the corrections to the bottom of the Web page until
we decide whether we want them all merged into a master list or keep
the original DAW list as a separate page.
> I personally would like to see a definitive/accurate list
> posted on a web site and preferably a wiki style one that
> supports tracking of changes people make. Wikipedia though is a
> poor choice for a table that contains 2000+ rows.
I have protected the main Wiki page
(http://isfdb.tamu.edu/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:DAW) to prevent random
edits. The ISFDB has had its share of vandalism, link spam and so
forth, and multiple copies of a 160Kb document can get unwieldy. But
the Talk page
(http://isfdb.tamu.edu/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB_talk:DAW) should be
editable, so feel free to post any corrections there and we'll append
them to the list.
> I personally would prefer to have a separate Title and Series
> column but if there's a consensus for keeping DAW's original list
> "as is" then I'll keep my list to myself and just note there that [snip]
Well, there are various standards and guidelines for entering subtitles
(MARC(s), OCLC, etc), but it's unlikely that anybody other than
professional librarians will understand, much less follow them.
The ISFDB has two levels of bibliographic records, Titles and
Publications (similar to OCLC's "manifestations"), the former
corresponding to "novels", "stories", etc and the latter corresponding
to individual editions. ISFDB Title records typically do not include
subtitles, but Publication records faithfully record whatever the title
page says: subtitles, series, warts and all. There is (much) more about
it at http://isfdb.tamu.edu/wiki/index.php/Bibliographic_Rules,
http://isfdb.tamu.edu/wiki/index.php/ISFDB_Editing_Guide, etc.
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Ahasuerus
Marc Kupper
> I have aded the corrections to the bottom of the Web page until
> we decide whether we want them all merged into a master list or
> keep the original DAW list as a separate page.
That looks fine though it looks like "we" is just three people at
the moment and as it seems others of the few thousand readers of
rec.arts.sf.written are not jumping into this thread I'll shift the
discussion to the talk page you set up.
http://isfdb.tamu.edu/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB_talk:DAW
Marc
Don Erikson
wrote:
>re: the table at http://isfdb.tamu.edu/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:DAW
>
>Marc Kupper asked:
>>1) What's the first column? I see that it contains a unique
>>number from 1 to 1621 and that 156 rows do not have a number with
>>most of those being towards the bottom of the list.
>
>Don Erikson replies:
>> This column is the order in which the book was published. DAW
>> seemed to have stopped updating this column at some time. The
>> gaps appear to be reprints from the time after their updating.
>
>That does not make sense to me. If you sort by the first column
>you'll see that it goes from 1 to 1621 with no gaps or duplicates.
>I had first assumed that the 1-1621 rows were from DAW and that
>you had then "filled in the gaps the list had" by adding the
>unnumbered rows. That the entire list is from DAW increases the
>mystery.
The entire list is from DAW and I have made no changes in it.
DAW themselves stopped after 1621. This list is ordered by
"Logo #" with books listed with their reprints (and only reprints
that changed price & ISBN etc. Some books had many reprints without
changing numbers such as HUNTERS OF GOR that went through
eleven printings before a change). So the left hand column is
the publishing order, for example, #1 SPELL OF THE WITCH WORLD was
1st, 178th, 415th, 609th, 1013th, & 1143rd books issued.
The gaps seem to be reprints of books issued after DAW
stopped keeping this record, intergrated with an older list. I know
DAW
issued more than one list before this one
>
>My personal list has what I call the "U-Number" which is the
>numeric part of the Order # field. For UQ1001 the U-Number is
>1001. The U-Number is the order in which DAW published books.
>Sometimes they prefix the number with UQ and other times it was
>UW, UE, UT, or UJ. My observation is that DAW never assigned the
>same U-number to two different books though on some very rare
>occasions they would repackage a book with a new cover or price
>and keep the same U-Number. DAW also never used two different
>letter codes with the same U-Number. For example, if a book was
>published as UW1102 then there was never a UQ1102, UE1102, etc.
The "U-Number" is an indication of of the books cover price
UT=$0.75, UQ=$0.95, UJ=$1.25, UW=$1.50
UE=$1.75, UJ=$1.95
Around May 1979 they switched to UJ for $1.95 and UE for all
paperback cover prices. After Kern's CAP KENNEDY #17 there were
no longer priced $1.95 or less.
But some books were issued with different covers, like Rawn's
DRAGON PRINCE two different type imbossing on the cover, and
Friedman's
IN CONQUEST BORN has wrap-around cover art that came also with the art
flipped back to front.
I wouldn't expect DAW's list to be "golden" considering the changes
I pointed out ("errors" seem harsh). They didn't have to make one, no
other publisher has.
>Marc
Marc Kupper
> The entire list is from DAW and I have made no changes in it.
That seems fine. BTW - I looking at the errors in things like the
ISBN numbers and U code details I believe this list was on paper
at one point and then scanned or typed in.
> DAW themselves stopped after 1621. This list is ordered by
> "Logo #" with books listed with their reprints (and only reprints
> that changed price & ISBN etc. Some books had many reprints
> without changing numbers such as HUNTERS OF GOR that went
> through eleven printings before a change).
Yes, I have seen that and my understanding of it was that most of
the time DAW would keep the same U code until they changed the
price. For example with "Hunters of The Red Moon" by Marion Zimmer
Bradley I know of:
UQ1071 0-87997-071-5 $0.95 1st printing
UY1230 0-87997-230-0 $1.25 2nd, 3rd printing
UW1407 0-87997-407-9 $1.50 4th, 6th printing
UE1568 0-87997-568-7 $1.75 8th printing
UJ1713 0-87997-713-2 $1.95 9th printing
UE1968 0-87997-968-2 $3.99 10th, 13th, 14th printing
I've never seen a 7th printing and so don't know if that was
released under UW1407 or UE1568. Likewise, I've never seen a 5th
printing but if it exists it's most likely under UW1407.
>From time to time DAW would break the rules and issue a book using
the same U code at a new (and higher) price. Those are pretty rare.
Out of 1724 Order #s only 23 of them were used at two or more
price levels.
BTW - related to this is that although DAW normally did not state
the printing date for later printings it can often be estimated
for those printings that are the first under a particular U code.
For example with Red Moon the 4th printing (UW1407) would have
been in Sep-1978 or Oct-1978 based on that it's bracketed UW1404
which is a Sep-1978 1st printing and UJ1408 which is an Oct-1978
1st printing. There no way to estimate the 5th and 6th printing
dates. The next U code, UE1568, was first used in Sep-1980 or
Oct-1980 and that would be either the 7th or 8th printing. I'm
starting to get enough data in my DAW list that I'll probably
add code to scan though and generate estimated printing dates for
many of the DAW editions.
> So the left hand column is
> the publishing order, for example, #1 SPELL OF THE WITCH WORLD
> was 1st, 178th, 415th, 609th, 1013th, & 1143rd books issued.
> The gaps seem to be reprints of books issued after DAW stopped
> keeping this record, intergrated with an older list. I know
> DAW issued more than one list before this one.
That seems like a reasonable explanation. There are a few small
hitches in the order if you compare the printing order (first
column) with the Order # but for the most part both sets of
numbers are incrementing upwards.
> The "U-Number" is an indication of of the books cover price
> UT=$0.75, UQ=$0.95, UJ=$1.25, UW=$1.50
> UE=$1.75, UJ=$1.95
> Around May 1979 they switched to UJ for $1.95 and UE for all
> paperback cover prices. After Kern's CAP KENNEDY #17 there were
> no longer priced $1.95 or less.
Drat - I should have noticed that... In looking at the list there
are only two exceptions
UY1292 is listed as $1.50 instead of the usual $1.25 for all other
UY releases. In my own list I had this as $1.25 but I've never seen
a copy of UY1292 and instead based that price on the order page
in the back of UJ1287. A check on AbeBooks finds several sellers
of UY1292 that mention the cover price is $1.25 and none that
state $1.50. I'll assume $1.50 is a mistake in DAW's list.
UJ1610 is listed as $2.25 instead of the usual $1.95 for all other
UJ releases. I do have a copy of this but it's UE1610 and not
UJ1610. Google and AbeBook searches seem to confirm that UJ1610
was never used and others have UE1610. Thus I'll call that a
mistake in the DAW list in that UJ1610 should be UE1610.
The list has UE1350 at $1.95 which should have been a UJ code.
I don't have a copy of the book but Google and AbeBooks confirm
that UE1350 was never used and the book was issued under UJ1350.
Those three fixes means that the Ux code to price system matches
perfectly with what you said.
> I wouldn't expect DAW's list to be "golden" considering the
> changes I pointed out ("errors" seem harsh). They didn't have
> to make one, no other publisher has.
I agree - I am very happy to see the list and appreciate that you
posted it.
Marc
Don Erikson
wrote:
>Don Erikson wrote:
>> The entire list is from DAW and I have made no changes in it.
>
>That seems fine. BTW - I looking at the errors in things like the
>ISBN numbers and U code details I believe this list was on paper
>at one point and then scanned or typed in.
>
>> DAW themselves stopped after 1621. This list is ordered by
>> "Logo #" with books listed with their reprints (and only reprints
>> that changed price & ISBN etc. Some books had many reprints
>> without changing numbers such as HUNTERS OF GOR that went
>> through eleven printings before a change).
>
>Yes, I have seen that and my understanding of it was that most of
>the time DAW would keep the same U code until they changed the
>price. For example with "Hunters of The Red Moon" by Marion Zimmer
>Bradley I know of:
>
>UQ1071 0-87997-071-5 $0.95 1st printing
>UY1230 0-87997-230-0 $1.25 2nd, 3rd printing
>UW1407 0-87997-407-9 $1.50 4th, 6th printing
>UE1568 0-87997-568-7 $1.75 8th printing
>UJ1713 0-87997-713-2 $1.95 9th printing
>UE1968 0-87997-968-2 $3.99 10th, 13th, 14th printing
>
>I've never seen a 7th printing and so don't know if that was
>released under UW1407 or UE1568. Likewise, I've never seen a 5th
>printing but if it exists it's most likely under UW1407.
I have a 7th printing, it is UW1407. And I'm pretty sure the 5th
printing would be also.
$1.50 is an error that I missed. My copy of UY1292 1st is $1.25
>
>UJ1610 is listed as $2.25 instead of the usual $1.95 for all other
>UJ releases. I do have a copy of this but it's UE1610 and not
>UJ1610. Google and AbeBook searches seem to confirm that UJ1610
>was never used and others have UE1610. Thus I'll call that a
>mistake in the DAW list in that UJ1610 should be UE1610.
Didn't catch this one either.
>
>The list has UE1350 at $1.95 which should have been a UJ code.
>I don't have a copy of the book but Google and AbeBooks confirm
>that UE1350 was never used and the book was issued under UJ1350.
My copy is UJ1350
Ahasuerus
> >The list has UE1350 at $1.95 which should have been a UJ code.
> >I don't have a copy of the book but Google and AbeBooks confirm
> >that UE1350 was never used and the book was issued under UJ1350.
>
Lots of good information, folks! Let me unprotect the page
(http://isfdb.tamu.edu/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:DAW) for now so that you
can update the list at your convenience. We will still have the
original DAW-provided version in the history area
(http://isfdb.tamu.edu/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:DAW&oldid=4006) and I
will eventually copy it to a separate page, but it will be easier to
keep track of changes if you have full access to the page. Please note
any non-trivial errors on the associated Talk page
(http://isfdb.tamu.edu/wiki/index.php/ISFDB_talk:DAW).
Thanks!
--
Ahasuerus