Ann Maxwell _Timeshadow Rider_
Joyce Haslam
Has anyone here read Ann Maxwell's _Timeshadow Rider_?
I saw it mentioned in a comment on a blog, and have found several
conflicting reviews online. The only copy of in on AbebooksUK is hardback
and as expensive as trans-Atlantic postage.
Joyce.
new address, no sig
Andrew Plotkin
>
> Has anyone here read Ann Maxwell's _Timeshadow Rider_?
>
> I saw it mentioned in a comment on a blog, and have found several
> conflicting reviews online. The only copy of in on AbebooksUK is hardback
> and as expensive as trans-Atlantic postage.
Me, but I might have been one of the people you saw commenting. (I
recently commented on somebody's livejournal page about it, and then
was inspired to re-read it, and then wound up commenting somewhere
else. Maybe here.)
I like it. It's over-the-top emo space opera; but both the SF and the
romance elements are more intelligently handled than the detractors of
either genre might expect. I also like the _Fire Dancer_ trilogy,
which is set in the same universe but millions of years later.
--Z
--
"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
*
David DeLaney
>Has anyone here read Ann Maxwell's _Timeshadow Rider_?
Yessssss. And everything else I've found that she actually managed to write
in the SF-overlapping-into-slight-amounts-of-fantasy genre. I heartily
recommend this escapist product and/or service.
>I saw it mentioned in a comment on a blog, and have found several
>conflicting reviews online. The only copy of in on AbebooksUK is hardback
>and as expensive as trans-Atlantic postage.
It's part of her Carifil setting, which also includes ... lemme open up my
booklist ... A Dead God Dancing, The Jaws of Menx, Name of a Shadow, and The
Singer Enigma. And I -think- Change but that may be a separate one-off.
Galactic civilization, psychic powers and star travel, and most of these books
are set in edge-of-or-beyond-the-edge-of-civilization planets and involve
Carifil agents, who are sort of the equivalent of the Culture's Special
Circumstances group.
The entire galactic civilization civilization stems from, and gets whatever
psychic powers it has from, the people living on the planet the Timeshadow
Riders pair of protagonists is from (and that book's about the pair's reluctant
and forced evolution into a Next Stage Of Humanity, with the help of an azir,
an immaterial Danger In A Bottle higher-level life form, among other things).
A Dead God Dancing is about a team sent to try to rescue the remaining
inhabitants of a low-culture doomed planet, though at least one of the team
turns out to have an entirely different aim.
The Jaws of Menx follows another Carifil agent into a Proscribed area of a
planet to try to retrieve his brother's dying mental impressions... complicated
by the gods and gods-to-be in the area.
The Singer Enigma deals with an emissary from the Singer culture, which is on a
higher level than the rest of the galactic civilization ... but whose emissary
caused mass murder when she first contacted them, and the Carifil agent is
trying to find out WHY before the Singers are Proscribed and destruction is
(attempted to be) rained on them.
And Name of a Shadow is another agent's attempt to solve the secret of a
particularly dirty little Undeclared War before the planet that allegedly
started it gets Proscribed.
I think -all- of these would fall under "paranormal romance", at least partly,
if published to day, to complicate things; there's a strong undercurrent of
"psychic powers work Much Better when they're worked by paired male-female
Matched-For-Life-By-Love duos". But they're also space opera, with some Planet
of Hats settings, and some Don't Look Too Closely in how the civilization,
the Carifil, and the various planets would, you know, actually WORK in real
life.
I liked them a great deal.
(She also wrote three books of a different series about the last two survivors
of a Blown Up Real Good By Nova planet who are using their ship to try to find
other survivors, but get complications introduced by rescuing a large quantity
of slaves in the first book who all need to get taken to their respective
planets (when they know where those are, anyway); each volume dealt with a
new setting/plot complications from returning that particular former slave or
set of slaves, etc. Psychic powers, space opera, living crystal technology
AND aliens, and several different classifications of intelligent ... life ...
interacting. Also good and pulpy.)
Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Andrew Plotkin
> Joyce Haslam <newsr...@boulsworth.co.uk> wrote:
> >Has anyone here read Ann Maxwell's _Timeshadow Rider_?
>
> Yessssss. And everything else I've found that she actually managed to write
> in the SF-overlapping-into-slight-amounts-of-fantasy genre. I heartily
> recommend this escapist product and/or service.
>
> >I saw it mentioned in a comment on a blog, and have found several
> >conflicting reviews online. The only copy of in on AbebooksUK is hardback
> >and as expensive as trans-Atlantic postage.
>
> It's part of her Carifil setting, which also includes ... lemme open up my
> booklist ... A Dead God Dancing, The Jaws of Menx, Name of a Shadow, and The
> Singer Enigma. And I -think- Change but that may be a separate one-off.
> Galactic civilization, psychic powers and star travel, and most of these books
> are set in edge-of-or-beyond-the-edge-of-civilization planets and involve
> Carifil agents, who are sort of the equivalent of the Culture's Special
> Circumstances group.
>
> The entire galactic civilization civilization stems from, and gets whatever
> psychic powers it has from, the people living on the planet the Timeshadow
> Riders pair of protagonists is from (and that book's about the pair's reluctant
> and forced evolution into a Next Stage Of Humanity, with the help of an azir,
> an immaterial Danger In A Bottle higher-level life form, among other things).
This is interesting -- I never connected the Carifil setting with the
Zaarain/Fourth Evolution setting. Is there any specific connection?
I should re-read the Carifil books; I haven't much.
> (She also wrote three books of a different series about the last two
> survivors of a Blown Up Real Good By Nova planet who are using their
> ship to try to find other survivors
This *is* explicitly connected to _Timeshadow Rider_; the characters
occasionally mention the Zaarain as a previous high point in
technology, now long lost.
framwockle
Amazon US has several cheap used copies
Maria
W. Citoan
> On Nov 20, 4:45�am, Joyce Haslam <newsrea...@boulsworth.co.uk> wrote:
> > Has anyone here read Ann Maxwell's _Timeshadow Rider_?
> >
> > I saw it mentioned in a comment on a blog, and have found several
> > conflicting reviews online. The only copy of in on AbebooksUK is hardback
> > and as expensive as trans-Atlantic postage.
> Amazon US has several cheap used copies
She's posting from the UK so trans-Atlantic postage would still apply
for her.
- W. Citoan
--
It is a bad plan that admits no modification.
-- Publiluis Syrus
David DeLaney
>Here, David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
>>It's part of her Carifil setting, which also includes ... lemme open up my
>>booklist ... A Dead God Dancing, The Jaws of Menx, Name of a Shadow, and The
>>Singer Enigma. And I -think- Change but that may be a separate one-off.
>>Galactic civilization, psychic powers and star travel, and most of these books
>>are set in edge-of-or-beyond-the-edge-of-civilization planets and involve
>>Carifil agents, who are sort of the equivalent of the Culture's Special
>>Circumstances group.
>>
>>The entire galactic civilization civilization stems from, and gets whatever
>>psychic powers it has from, the people living on the planet the Timeshadow
>>Riders pair of protagonists is from (and that book's about the pair's
reluctant
>>and forced evolution into a Next Stage Of Humanity, with the help of an azir,
>>an immaterial Danger In A Bottle higher-level life form, among other things).
>
>This is interesting -- I never connected the Carifil setting with the
>Zaarain/Fourth Evolution setting. Is there any specific connection?
I maaaaaay be misremembering. But Timeshadow Rider is set long before the rest
of them, ... and may be a prequel instead to the Dancer series, now that I
think about it, which had the various Evolutions also. I was fairly sure
while remembering that the Zaarain were the source, through their exiles, of
most of the psychic talents for the rest of the galaxy that the Carifil were
partly made UP of, and of course they could never ever let them know, galaxy-
wide inferiority complex would descend, yadda yadda.
Whichever one it's connected to, it's loosely connected, I do remember that.
framwockle
Sorry, didn't realise.
Maria
ronincats
Nice summary, Dave. I have all her books with the exception of _Singer
Enigma_ and recall enjoying them quite a bit in either the 70s or 80s,
but haven't reread them for a long time. I may need to dust them off.
Joyce Haslam
> Joyce Haslam <newsr...@boulsworth.co.uk> wrote:
>>Has anyone here read Ann Maxwell's _Timeshadow Rider_?
>
> Yessssss. And everything else I've found that she actually managed to
> write in the SF-overlapping-into-slight-amounts-of-fantasy genre. I
> heartily recommend this escapist product and/or service.
>
>>I saw it mentioned in a comment on a blog, and have found several
>>conflicting reviews online. The only copy of in on AbebooksUK is
>>hardback and as expensive as trans-Atlantic postage.
>
> It's part of her Carifil setting, which also includes ...
[regretfully snipped as pan says too much quoting]
> I think -all- of these would fall under "paranormal romance", at least
> partly, if published to day, to complicate things; there's a strong
> undercurrent of "psychic powers work Much Better when they're worked by
> paired male-female Matched-For-Life-By-Love duos". But they're also
> space opera, with some Planet of Hats settings, and some Don't Look Too
> Closely in how the civilization, the Carifil, and the various planets
> would, you know, actually WORK in real life.
>
> I liked them a great deal.
>
> (She also wrote three books of a different series about the last two
> survivors of a Blown Up Real Good By Nova planet who are using their
> ship to try to find other survivors, but get complications introduced by
> rescuing a large quantity of slaves in the first book who all need to
> get taken to their respective planets (when they know where those are,
> anyway); each volume dealt with a new setting/plot complications from
> returning that particular former slave or set of slaves, etc. Psychic
> powers, space opera, living crystal technology AND aliens, and several
> different classifications of intelligent ... life ... interacting. Also
> good and pulpy.)
Thanks for all the lovely info :)
I've ordered _Fire Dancer_ which I think is book one of the trilogy in
your last paragraph. The other two books in the Fire series are easily
available here, but very few of the others. If I like the first one I'll
buy another - she might even hit the 'buy on sight' or 'search for books
missing from collection' levels.
Joyce.
Joyce Haslam
> Here, Joyce Haslam <newsr...@boulsworth.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone here read Ann Maxwell's _Timeshadow Rider_?
>>
>> I saw it mentioned in a comment on a blog, and have found several
>> conflicting reviews online. The only copy of in on AbebooksUK is
>> hardback and as expensive as trans-Atlantic postage.
>
> Me, but I might have been one of the people you saw commenting. (I
> recently commented on somebody's livejournal page about it, and then was
> inspired to re-read it, and then wound up commenting somewhere else.
> Maybe here.)
I don't think the comment was yours. It was on the Fledgling (Liaden
universe) community, and iric the name sounded feminine (but I use my
grandfather's name on lj, so who knows). I haven't seen a comment about
Ann Maxwell here recently, but stuff happens.
Have you read any comments on the Liaden books? Some people would call
them emo space opera.
> I like it. It's over-the-top emo space opera; but both the SF and the
> romance elements are more intelligently handled than the detractors of
> either genre might expect. I also like the _Fire Dancer_ trilogy, which
> is set in the same universe but millions of years later.
I've ordered book one of that trilogy - wish me luck :-)
Joyce.
still no sig
Andrew Plotkin
> Andrew Plotkin wrote:
>
> > Here, Joyce Haslam <newsr...@boulsworth.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Has anyone here read Ann Maxwell's _Timeshadow Rider_?
> >>
> >> I saw it mentioned in a comment on a blog, and have found several
> >> conflicting reviews online. The only copy of in on AbebooksUK is
> >> hardback and as expensive as trans-Atlantic postage.
> >
> > Me, but I might have been one of the people you saw commenting. (I
> > recently commented on somebody's livejournal page about it, and then was
> > inspired to re-read it, and then wound up commenting somewhere else.
> > Maybe here.)
>
> I don't think the comment was yours. It was on the Fledgling (Liaden
> universe) community, and iric the name sounded feminine (but I use my
> grandfather's name on lj, so who knows). I haven't seen a comment about
> Ann Maxwell here recently, but stuff happens.
When it's Maxwelling time, I guess everybody Maxwells. :)
(Except the author. She dropped SF for good after _Timeshadow Rider_,
as far as I know, and has been writing romance under another name.)
> Have you read any comments on the Liaden books? Some people would call
> them emo space opera.
I read the first trilogy of Liaden books, but never felt very attached
to them.
> > I like it. It's over-the-top emo space opera; but both the SF and the
> > romance elements are more intelligently handled than the detractors of
> > either genre might expect. I also like the _Fire Dancer_ trilogy, which
> > is set in the same universe but millions of years later.
>
> I've ordered book one of that trilogy - wish me luck :-)
Good luck. The books in trilogy are pretty short and fast-moving, so
you may have the rest finished before you know it. :)
netcat
newsr...@boulsworth.co.uk says...
> Andrew Plotkin wrote:
>
> > Here, Joyce Haslam <newsr...@boulsworth.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Has anyone here read Ann Maxwell's _Timeshadow Rider_?
> >>
> >> I saw it mentioned in a comment on a blog, and have found several
> >> conflicting reviews online. The only copy of in on AbebooksUK is
> >> hardback and as expensive as trans-Atlantic postage.
> >
> > Me, but I might have been one of the people you saw commenting. (I
> > recently commented on somebody's livejournal page about it, and then was
> > inspired to re-read it, and then wound up commenting somewhere else.
> > Maybe here.)
>
> I don't think the comment was yours. It was on the Fledgling (Liaden
> universe) community, and iric the name sounded feminine (but I use my
> grandfather's name on lj, so who knows). I haven't seen a comment about
> Ann Maxwell here recently, but stuff happens.
>
> Have you read any comments on the Liaden books? Some people would call
> them emo space opera.
So _that's_ what it is about them that makes me compare them to fanfic.
Emo. Right.
Any other emo SF out there anyone knows about?
rgds,
netcat
David DeLaney
>newsr...@boulsworth.co.uk says...
>> Have you read any comments on the Liaden books? Some people would call
>> them emo space opera.
>
>So _that's_ what it is about them that makes me compare them to fanfic.
>Emo. Right.
>
>Any other emo SF out there anyone knows about?
Catherine Asaro's Skolian Empire series.
Mercedes Lackey in general, and at least parts of Bradley's Darkover series.
Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Joyce Haslam
> Here, Joyce Haslam <newsr...@boulsworth.co.uk> wrote:
>> Andrew Plotkin wrote:
>> > Here, Joyce Haslam <newsr...@boulsworth.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Have you read any comments on the Liaden books? Some people would call
>> them emo space opera.
>
> I read the first trilogy of Liaden books, but never felt very attached
> to them.
They are all cut from the same cloth, so you know exactly what you are
missing :)
Joyce.
The Wanderer
> Has anyone here read Ann Maxwell's _Timeshadow Rider_?
>
> I saw it mentioned in a comment on a blog, and have found several
> conflicting reviews online. The only copy of in on AbebooksUK is
> hardback and as expensive as trans-Atlantic postage.
Thank you! I'm about 98% certain that this is the title of a story I'd
been thinking about posting a YASID on, and you've answered it before I
could even put the description together.
And yes, I've read it, and if it's the one I'm thinking of I liked it
quite a bit. Unfortunately it was long enough ago that I'm not even sure
I'd have been able to describe it well enough to be identified, so I
can't really say much about it - certainly not as much as David DeLaney
already has.
--
The Wanderer
Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any
side of it.
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.
David DeLaney
>On 11/19/2009 12:45 PM, Joyce Haslam wrote:
>> Has anyone here read Ann Maxwell's _Timeshadow Rider_?
>>
>> I saw it mentioned in a comment on a blog, and have found several
>> conflicting reviews online. The only copy of in on AbebooksUK is
>> hardback and as expensive as trans-Atlantic postage.
>
>Thank you! I'm about 98% certain that this is the title of a story I'd
>been thinking about posting a YASID on, and you've answered it before I
>could even put the description together.
>
>And yes, I've read it, and if it's the one I'm thinking of I liked it
>quite a bit. Unfortunately it was long enough ago that I'm not even sure
>I'd have been able to describe it well enough to be identified, so I
>can't really say much about it - certainly not as much as David DeLaney
>already has.
If your story had "five touching five" as the ideogram for 'disaster', then
that was it. Also the Eyes of Zaar (sp?), spaceships that used 'replacement
nodes' to hyperjump with gold nodes being the worst, and of the two
protagonists the guy dealt with dead stuff - psychometry, destruction of
walls, etc. - and the girl dealt with living stuff - healing / killing with
her silver hair.
(Yes, this all makes it sound sort of pulpy. It is gloriously so.)
The Wanderer
> The Wanderer <wand...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> On 11/19/2009 12:45 PM, Joyce Haslam wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone here read Ann Maxwell's _Timeshadow Rider_?
>>>
>>> I saw it mentioned in a comment on a blog, and have found several
>>> conflicting reviews online. The only copy of in on AbebooksUK is
>>> hardback and as expensive as trans-Atlantic postage.
>>
>> Thank you! I'm about 98% certain that this is the title of a story
>> I'd been thinking about posting a YASID on, and you've answered it
>> before I could even put the description together.
>>
>> And yes, I've read it, and if it's the one I'm thinking of I liked
>> it quite a bit. Unfortunately it was long enough ago that I'm not
>> even sure I'd have been able to describe it well enough to be
>> identified, so I can't really say much about it - certainly not as
>> much as David DeLaney already has.
>
> If your story had "five touching five" as the ideogram for
> 'disaster', then that was it. Also the Eyes of Zaar (sp?), spaceships
> that used 'replacement nodes' to hyperjump with gold nodes being the
> worst, and of the two protagonists the guy dealt with dead stuff -
> psychometry, destruction of walls, etc. - and the girl dealt with
> living stuff - healing / killing with her silver hair.
It certainly had some of that (psychometry from the guy, "five touching
five", and possibly the Eyes - gems of some sort?), and that means that
it probably had the rest.
One thing I remember it having which isn't in your list - which happens
to be the element of the proto-YASID which I remembered best - was the
notion of multiple varieties of time (sort of like multiple time axes,
but not quite), all with different names; I seem to recall that there
were at least five of them. Was that in there too, or am I mixing up
multiple stories?
Andrew Plotkin
That was the same book, yes. Time/then and the *then*, time/now and
the *now*, with Fifth Evolution life sliding into the *other*.
That was a nice example of technobabble (or mysterious-psychic-powers-
babble) which sounded good, and had *just enough* meaning that the two
different kinds of "then" were meaningfully different in story terms;
but it wasn't so critical to the plot that you had to draw diagrams to
understand what was going on.
(It helped that the story didn't involve true time travel.)
David DeLaney
>On 11/23/2009 01:20 AM, David DeLaney wrote:
>> If your story had "five touching five" as the ideogram for
>> 'disaster', then that was it. Also the Eyes of Zaar (sp?), spaceships
>> that used 'replacement nodes' to hyperjump with gold nodes being the
>> worst, and of the two protagonists the guy dealt with dead stuff -
>> psychometry, destruction of walls, etc. - and the girl dealt with
>> living stuff - healing / killing with her silver hair.
>
>It certainly had some of that (psychometry from the guy, "five touching
>five", and possibly the Eyes - gems of some sort?),
Yes, purple gems that fit over a(n unfortunate) psychic's eyes, with rather
startling effects.
>and that means that it probably had the rest.
Yes. I can't really imagine that ANYONE else's stuff did that.
>One thing I remember it having which isn't in your list - which happens
>to be the element of the proto-YASID which I remembered best - was the
>notion of multiple varieties of time (sort of like multiple time axes,
>but not quite), all with different names; I seem to recall that there
>were at least five of them. Was that in there too, or am I mixing up
>multiple stories?
That was in there too. Partly related to the various Evolutions of sentient
beings (one of which is mineral).
Go reread it. :)
Joyce Haslam
> David DeLaney wrote:
Meh :(
I read the first chapter and put the book on a shelf. The planet is
called Onan, the spaceport is Nontendo, there's a minor sexual assault
and a particularly nasty sexual insult in the first four pages.
Maybe I'll read the book later and find felicity.
Joyce.
Brenda Clough
>
> I read the first chapter and put the book on a shelf. The planet is
> called Onan, the spaceport is Nontendo
>
Owtch. It ought to be a prerequisite, that writers have an ear for
words and a feel for their meaning and nuance.
Brenda
David DeLaney
>Joyce Haslam wrote:
>> I've ordered _Fire Dancer_ which I think is book one of the trilogy in
>> your last paragraph. The other two books in the Fire series are easily
>> available here, but very few of the others. If I like the first one I'll
>> buy another - she might even hit the 'buy on sight' or 'search for books
>> missing from collection' levels.
>
>Meh :(
>
>I read the first chapter and put the book on a shelf. The planet is
>called Onan, the spaceport is Nontendo, there's a minor sexual assault
>and a particularly nasty sexual insult in the first four pages.
>
>Maybe I'll read the book later and find felicity.
I'm sorry to hear the start hit you like that. The very beginning _is_ set in
a wretched hive of scum and gambling villainy, essentially... so one or more
of the names may have been intended.
Andrew Plotkin
> > your last paragraph. The other two books in the Fire series are easily
> > available here, but very few of the others. If I like the first one I'll
> > buy another - she might even hit the 'buy on sight' or 'search for books
> > missing from collection' levels.
>
>
> Meh :(
>
> I read the first chapter and put the book on a shelf. The planet is
> called Onan, the spaceport is Nontendo
Nontondondo, if I recall. That planet is definitely Onan, but since
it's supposed to be the classically wretched hive of scum and
villainy, I believe that is an intended reference.
> there's a minor sexual assault
> and a particularly nasty sexual insult in the first four pages.
They visit some other unpleasant places, and more of that shows up,
but it's not a constant throughout the series.
John F. Eldredge
> Here, Joyce Haslam <newsr...@boulsworth.co.uk> wrote:
>> Joyce Haslam wrote:
>> >
>> > I've ordered _Fire Dancer_ which I think is book one of the trilogy
>> > in your last paragraph. The other two books in the Fire series are
>> > easily available here, but very few of the others. If I like the
>> > first one I'll buy another - she might even hit the 'buy on sight' or
>> > 'search for books missing from collection' levels.
>>
>>
>> Meh :(
>>
>> I read the first chapter and put the book on a shelf. The planet is
>> called Onan, the spaceport is Nontendo
>
> Nontondondo, if I recall. That planet is definitely Onan, but since it's
> supposed to be the classically wretched hive of scum and villainy, I
> believe that is an intended reference.
I catch the reference to Onan, but don't catch the reference to
Nontondondo. Can anyone give me a hint?
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
Spiros Bousbouras
"John F. Eldredge" <jo...@jfeldredge.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:35:21 +0000, Andrew Plotkin wrote:
>
> > Here, Joyce Haslam <newsr...@boulsworth.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Joyce Haslam wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I've ordered _Fire Dancer_ which I think is book one of the trilogy
> >> > in your last paragraph. The other two books in the Fire series are
> >> > easily available here, but very few of the others. If I like the
> >> > first one I'll buy another - she might even hit the 'buy on sight' or
> >> > 'search for books missing from collection' levels.
> >>
> >>
> >> Meh :(
> >>
> >> I read the first chapter and put the book on a shelf. The planet is
> >> called Onan, the spaceport is Nontendo
> >
> > Nontondondo, if I recall. That planet is definitely Onan, but since it's
> > supposed to be the classically wretched hive of scum and villainy, I
> > believe that is an intended reference.
>
> I catch the reference to Onan, but don't catch the reference to
> Nontondondo. Can anyone give me a hint?
But the name originally given was Nontendo not Nontondondo. Surely you
catch the reference in that.
Spiros Bousbouras
netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>
> Any other emo SF out there anyone knows about?
Anyone out there knows what emo SF is ?
W. Citoan
> "John F. Eldredge" <jo...@jfeldredge.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:35:21 +0000, Andrew Plotkin wrote:
> > > Here, Joyce Haslam <newsr...@boulsworth.co.uk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I read the first chapter and put the book on a shelf. The planet
> > >> is called Onan, the spaceport is Nontendo
> > >
> > > Nontondondo, if I recall. That planet is definitely Onan, but
> > > since it's supposed to be the classically wretched hive of scum
> > > and villainy, I believe that is an intended reference.
> >
> > I catch the reference to Onan, but don't catch the reference to
> > Nontondondo. Can anyone give me a hint?
I'm not sure there was a reference meant. Andrew's post is a bit
ambiguous, but I interpreted it as Onan alone being the intended
reference.
> But the name originally given was Nontendo not Nontondondo. Surely
> you catch the reference in that.
Well, there's Nintendo, but that's a "sounds like" not really a
reference.
- W. Citoan
--
He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one
enemy will meet him everywhere.
-- Ali Ben Abu Talib
Andrew Plotkin
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:35:21 +0000, Andrew Plotkin wrote:
>
> > Nontondondo, if I recall. That planet is definitely Onan, but since it's
> > supposed to be the classically wretched hive of scum and villainy, I
> > believe that is an intended reference.
>
> I catch the reference to Onan, but don't catch the reference to
> Nontondondo. Can anyone give me a hint?
I don't think there was one; it's a made-up name that sounds good. Or
evil, if that's what you're going for.
Joyce Haslam
> I'm sorry to hear the start hit you like that. The very beginning _is_
> set in a wretched hive of scum and gambling villainy, essentially... so
> one or more of the names may have been intended.
Well, it was time I contributed something to rasfw. Dues paid :-)
Joyce.