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Alexey Romanov

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Nov 21, 2009, 2:49:09 PM11/21/09
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:08:37 -0800 (PST), rja.ca...@excite.com wrote:

> [*] It's pretty cute. Common letters in the centre, unlike QWERTY
> which is designed for two hands and also to slow you down.

No, it wasn't (to slow you down, that is):
<http://www.utdallas.edu/~liebowit/keys1.html>
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Robert Carnegie

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:36:43 PM11/21/09
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Now I forgot where I was! But, well, I think I may have read that
piece already and gotten the idea that Dvorak benefits were
exaggerated at best - but I've also used a manual typewriter without
full touch-typing and still had keys stick. And, as I say (did I
say?), I now suffer pain after I use a QWERTY keyboard for only a few
minutes. I think it's about human capability overcoming a mechanical
obstacle, and sometimes the obstacle wins in the end.

Indeed perhaps only now could a text input system be built to take
greatest advantage of the flexibility of human hands - just in time to
be overtaken by speech recognition, however.

Keith F. Lynch

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:28:08 PM11/24/09
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Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> Indeed perhaps only now could a text input system be built to take
> greatest advantage of the flexibility of human hands - just in time
> to be overtaken by speech recognition, however.

I can't see why speech recognition would be desirable, except in niche
markets such as people with crippled or missing hands. Everything you
"type" would be overheard by others, who could also "type" on your
machine against your will. There would be no easy way to specify
just how to punctuate and format the text, or to spell unusual or
homophonic words; you'd spend much of the time speaking letters,
punctuation marks, and editing commands.

And if you're anything like me, your voice would give out long before
your hands.
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Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.or­g

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Nov 26, 2009, 9:43:24 AM11/26/09
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On Nov 25, 3:28 am, "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> > Indeed perhaps only now could a text input system be built to take
> > greatest advantage of the flexibility of human hands - just in time
> > to be overtaken by speech recognition, however.
>
> I can't see why speech recognition would be desirable, except in niche
> markets such as people with crippled or missing hands.  Everything you
> "type" would be overheard by others, who could also "type" on your
> machine against your will.  There would be no easy way to specify
> just how to punctuate and format the text, or to spell unusual or
> homophonic words; you'd spend much of the time speaking letters,
> punctuation marks, and editing commands.
>
> And if you're anything like me, your voice would give out long before
> your hands.

I'm not, since my hands already gave out. Well, my forearms mainly.
And it's mainly typing that I can't do.

The issues that you mention aren't insignificant, but are resolvable
and/or apply equally to keyboard use or handwriting. Speaking is a
lot faster than typing, and becomes easier to do at length with
practice. With a webcam on every laptop now to look at yourself from
an unflattering angle (for me... on reflection, maybe laptop designers
are fascinated by breasts, but, hey, who isn't), lipreading becomes
possible. Also air-quotes, and the whole Victor Borge symbol set.
Or, the PC has an accelerometer inside, and you wave the whole thing
around like an orchestra conductor's baton while you talk. Rotate
left for open-quote, rotate right for close-quote?

Keith F. Lynch

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Nov 27, 2009, 10:12:55 PM11/27/09
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Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc. or\255g <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> Or, the PC has an accelerometer inside, and you wave the whole thing
> around like an orchestra conductor's baton while you talk. Rotate
> left for open-quote, rotate right for close-quote?

If the PC is one of those tiny hand-held devices, wave it up and down
like a Morse code key to spell out your text in Morse.

Or, unless you live upstairs from me, get one of those inflatable pads
like are used with Dance Dance Revolution, only larger, and with a
keyboard on it. Step or jump from one key to the next to type, like
archy. Great exercise, and you won't wear out your hands or wrists.

cryptoguy

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Nov 28, 2009, 1:02:20 AM11/28/09
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On Nov 27, 10:12 pm, "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

> Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-orig...@moderators.isc. or\255g <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > Or, the PC has an accelerometer inside, and you wave the whole thing
> > around like an orchestra conductor's baton while you talk.  Rotate
> > left for open-quote, rotate right for close-quote?
>
> If the PC is one of those tiny hand-held devices, wave it up and down
> like a Morse code key to spell out your text in Morse.
>
> Or, unless you live upstairs from me, get one of those inflatable pads
> like are used with Dance Dance Revolution, only larger, and with a
> keyboard on it.  Step or jump from one key to the next to type, like
> archy.  Great exercise, and you won't wear out your hands or wrists.

Keith knows of what he speaks. He posts by waving refrigerator magnets
near his phone line :-)

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