Death Gate Cycle
js...@forest.drew.edu
Hickman's Death Gate Cycle?
I find them very interesting and humoruos and would like to get a
discussion going a bout some of the social themes in them as well as
talking about the elements of fantasy.
Jim McCollum
Social themes...Social themes...hmmmm...why not?
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js...@forest.drew.edu
Okay the first thing that really grab me was how can the Patryns say they
love no one when that is exactly what they do they love every Patryn ever
born. Sure it's for survival of the race, but it's still love.
Jim McCollum
The Patryns are saying that they love no one of the _other_ races.
Especially the Sartan.
William Bruvold
>In article <4565q5$f...@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, mcco...@ix.netcom.com (Jim McCollum ) writes:
>> In <1995Oct5.110948.126213@forest> js...@forest.drew.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Would anyone like to get into a discussion of Margret Wies and Tracy
>>>Hickman's Death Gate Cycle?
>>>I find them very interesting and humoruos and would like to get a
>>>discussion going a bout some of the social themes in them as well as
>>>talking about the elements of fantasy.
>>
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>
>love no one when that is exactly what they do they love every Patryn ever
>born. Sure it's for survival of the race, but it's still love.
>
>
Also the general "rugged individualism"/neo-luddites (sp) themes --
With the glaring exception of the "good dragons", the more that a
social group relied on magic, the more they were screwed and
entrapped in the unintended consequences of their actions.
Also I would have to mention the fairly interesting treatment of
death (hmmm...perhaps the title has a real meaning). Throughout the
series the issues of death/dying/learning to live with loss are key.
Those that _fail_ to come to terms with death are trapped in
tragedy.
Erik
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Heng Miang Hui
: Would anyone like to get into a discussion of Margret Wies and Tracy
: Hickman's Death Gate Cycle?
: I find them very interesting and humoruos and would like to get a
: discussion going a bout some of the social themes in them as well as
: talking about the elements of fantasy.
What social theme? Racism? Who cares? The ending is so anti-climatic that
the earlier part of the book don't even matter. The problem with the
authors seem to be they can't get a really dramatic ending. Check out the
previous series they did (Darksword Trilogy especially! What happened?)
js...@forest.drew.edu
> In article <1995Oct8.123821.126489@forest>, <js...@forest.drew.edu> wrote:
>>In article <4565q5$f...@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, mcco...@ix.netcom.com (Jim McCollum ) writes:
>>> In <1995Oct5.110948.126213@forest> js...@forest.drew.edu writes:
>>>>
>>>>Hickman's Death Gate Cycle?
>>>>I find them very interesting and humoruos and would like to get a
>>>>discussion going a bout some of the social themes in them as well as
>>>>talking about the elements of fantasy.
>>>
>>
>>
>>love no one when that is exactly what they do they love every Patryn ever
>>born. Sure it's for survival of the race, but it's still love.
>>
>>
>
> Also the general "rugged individualism"/neo-luddites (sp) themes --
> With the glaring exception of the "good dragons", the more that a
> social group relied on magic, the more they were screwed and
> entrapped in the unintended consequences of their actions.
>
> Also I would have to mention the fairly interesting treatment of
> death (hmmm...perhaps the title has a real meaning). Throughout the
> series the issues of death/dying/learning to live with loss are key.
> Those that _fail_ to come to terms with death are trapped in
> tragedy.
>
> Erik
>
>
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> to
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> t
>
Yes, but what about Hugh the Hand he accepted death and even
served it, but was trapped with eternal life until Xar tossed him into the
fire sea. I just really don't see coming to terms with death as the
theme. I see it as realizing that both the external and internal
qualities of life must be combined to hve a productive and stable society.
John
dar4
>js...@forest.drew.edu wrote:
>: Would anyone like to get into a discussion of Margret Wies and Tracy
>: Hickman's Death Gate Cycle?
>: I find them very interesting and humoruos and would like to get a
>: discussion going a bout some of the social themes in them as well as
>: talking about the elements of fantasy.
>
>the earlier part of the book don't even matter. The problem with the
>authors seem to be they can't get a really dramatic ending. Check out the
>previous series they did (Darksword Trilogy especially! What happened?)
>
was very good, especially the part where Gerald says he can't forgive Joram and
he says something like, well I don't remember exactly but I liked it a lot. It
may not have been a happy ending, or had a great climax, but it was appropriate
to the story, theme and characters, and I liked it. If you want a REALLY good
ending though, check out Star of the Guardians. The only problem is that when
later books were released (Ghost Legion, uugh) it greately reduced the ending's
value, oh well...
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we die in our hearts, filled Demandred's head.-Lord of Chaos,
***truth black, we are shown, |<THE ALMIGHTY DAR4>| Robert Jordan
***death always returns... Weak people always strive to become weaker...
-Dragon Wing, Margaret Weis&Tracy Hickman -Magus 5th line, because I can.
js...@forest.drew.edu
think that the closing of the gate to all the worlds and the combination
of Patryn and Sartan magic to help defeat the Evil Dragon snakes is
anti-climatic, I guess you need a world to blow up. Oh wait that did
happen. Sorry what do you consider climactic?
John
christian
thought that they could have let it be...even with that crazy magician.
someone alluded that the series was finished...i thought that the last
book was _the hand of chaos_ and that there were two more books coming.
dar4
6. Into the Labyrinth
7. The Seventh Gate
All 7 are out in paperback.
Marcus Ogden
>In article <46cq36$4...@netnews.upenn.edu>, csta...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (christian) writes:
>>
>> someone alluded that the series was finished...i thought that the last
>> book was _the hand of chaos_ and that there were two more books coming.
>>
>> csta...@mail.sas.upenn.edu
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>Gate_ and that was the end. Go pick it up it's a great ending.
There was also "Into the Labyrinth" in between. All seven books are
available now (in UK at least):
1. Dragon Wing
2. Elven Star
3. Fire Sea
4. Serpent Mage
5. The Hand of Chaos
6. Into The Labyrinth
7. The Seventh Gate
js...@forest.drew.edu
> thought that they could have let it be...even with that crazy magician.
>
The PULSE
> The series is finished after _the hand of chaos_ there was _The Seventh
> Gate_ and that was the end. Go pick it up it's a great ending.
Is the paperback version of The Seventh Gate available yet? If not does
anyone know when it will be.
The PULSE 007
"Yoo hoo! I'll make you famous!"
Brian Maranta
: In article <1995Oct28.150757.128567@forest>, js...@forest.drew.edu wrote:
: > The series is finished after _the hand of chaos_ there was _The Seventh
: > Gate_ and that was the end. Go pick it up it's a great ending.
: Is the paperback version of The Seventh Gate available yet? If not does
: anyone know when it will be.
Yes, it is available. And it's a good ending.
Cheers
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