Ishy & Shaidar Haran
Malachai
Wasn't Ishmael the one who created most of the monstrosities from the
AOL ? The BlightWorms, the Eyeless, the Grey Men??? Gholam???
Shaidar Haran hasn't been around for too long, now. None of The Forsaken
recognize him, but they all know that he's a freak, even for a Grub-Head.
I'm thinkin' Ishy made it for the DO. Let's him keep tabs on the rest of the
Minions.
So, he's still around and kicking. Even IF he's in a different body.
-Malachai
"An interesting Quote." - Someone Famous
Kjell Ståhl
Malachai wrote:
>
> Wasn't Ishmael the one who created most of the monstrosities from the
> AOL ? The BlightWorms, the Eyeless, the Grey Men??? Gholam???
No, Aginor did.
--
Kjell Ståhl -- kst...@hem2.passagen.se
http://hem2.passagen.se/kstahl/
"I consider myself a pretty nice guy. So should you."
Rob J
Uhh huh huh huh.. huh huh.. Ishy.. that's funny huh huh huh...
Rob J
Karl-Johan Noren
In <34312F...@panam.edu>,
Rob J <rja...@panam.edu> wrote:
> Uhh huh huh huh.. huh huh.. Ishy.. that's funny huh huh huh...
Your sense of humour leaves me in awe. NOT!
Learn to write sensibly, learn to quote and learn to think.
You can use the rasfwr-j FAQ to bring you up to speed.
The rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan FAQ [35kb] is available at
http://www.landfield.com/faqs/sf/robert-jordan-faq/
http://www.lib.ox.ac.uk/internet/news/faq/archive/sf.robert-jordan-faq.html
or by sending an empty e-mail to <ras...@andyc.carenet.org>
--
Karl-Johan Norén (Noren with acute e) -- k-j-...@dsv.su.se
http://www.dsv.su.se/~k-j-nore/
- To believe people are as stupid as one believes is
stupider than one can believe
Jeremiah Penery
Malachai wrote:
> Wasn't Ishmael the one who created most of the monstrosities from the
> AOL ? The BlightWorms, the Eyeless, the Grey Men??? Gholam???
>
No. Those were all made by Aginor.
> Shaidar Haran hasn't been around for too long, now. None of The Forsaken
> recognize him, but they all know that he's a freak, even for a Grub-Head.
Maybe.
>
>
> I'm thinkin' Ishy made it for the DO. Let's him keep tabs on the rest of the
> Minions.
This is impossible, since Aginor made all the things in the first place. Also,
Aginor doesn't really know how the halfmen work, they're just throwbacks from
Trolloc stock.
>
>
> So, he's still around and kicking. Even IF he's in a different body.
He is probably reborn into something, since he was the DO's greatest servant.
-Flob
Ryan Reich
>*ahem* Thanks for that pointer. Yes, I realize that formatting has
>two t's and not two i's. And I'm glad to see that you know how to
>spell grammar. Let's see, that's four times that you misspelled it,
>so it probably wasn't a typo. Now you know how to spell it correctly.
>Try to see that it doesn't happen again.
>
>You're welcome.
You're not. As I recall, this damn arguement started
over ONE spelling mistake. But anyway, who appointed
you High and Mighty Chairperson of Usenet Grammar
and Line Size? You make too much out of one small
problem. Does ONE misspelled word totallty impede
comprehension and obscure meaning? Get with it! A
huge, gaping, series of unforgiveable errors, well, that's understandable,
but you go too far.
Ryan Reich
Watcher of the Seals
Flame of New York
The Tamyrlin Seat
Ryan Reich
>Actually, I've seen quite a few pieces of writing with bad grammar
>recently. Go figure.
>
>And from now on, I'll be sure to have my posts proofread at least five
>times before posting them. Sound good?
Are you stuck with a permanent bad temper, or are you just tired?
Karl-Johan Noren
In <61v1v9$9...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
c942...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au (WATTS Christopher) wrote:
> Karl-Johan Noren (k-j-...@dsv.su.se) wrote:
> : Rob J <rja...@panam.edu> wrote:
> : > Uhh huh huh huh.. huh huh.. Ishy.. that's funny huh huh huh...
> : Your sense of humour leaves me in awe. NOT!
> : Learn to write sensibly, learn to quote and learn to think.
> : You can use the rasfwr-j FAQ to bring you up to speed.
[ snip my standard rasfwr-j FAQ pointer ]
> I agree with you there .... but it seems to be a bit of a gratuitess ( i know i
> spelled that wrong) use of the FAQ pointer doesn't it?
You could use one yourself, actually. Improper capitalisation,
misspellings (and _knowing_ you misspelled!), too long lines.
Rob J
Karl-Johan Noren wrote:
> You could use one yourself, actually. Improper capitalisation,
> misspellings (and _knowing_ you misspelled!), too long lines.
>
For crying out loud.. YOU GOT HIS POINT, DIDN'T YOU?! Get over the
whole misspelling crap! Why do you care that the line is just a tad too
long anyhow? Does your whole day center around correcting insignificant
things like that! I swear, over half the posts here are about someone
getting high and mighty and pointing to the all holy FAQ. If you
understand what they said WHO CARES?! What do any of the misspellings
matter if you understand the actual post?! That's the whole damn point
of it all. I'm sick of the endless nitpicking that goes on around here,
it serves no purpose other than making someone feel more proper...
Rob J
Cameron Wm. Akers
On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:54:20 -0500, Rob J <rja...@nospam.panam.edu>
wrote:
</lurk>
Every now and then, I get rid of my newsreader to conserve HD space.
When I get low enough, I inevitably re-install it to come and check in
with the merry frolicking of the rasfwr-j group.
Every time, without fail, there is a message such as this waiting for
me. . . .a wonder of the world it is. :)
--Cameron Wm. Akers,
<lurk>
Kjell Ståhl
In message <err3em4...@wendy.dsv.su.se>, Karl-Johan Noren
<k-j-...@dsv.su.se> wrote:
[snip]
>"Vad du ej klart kan säga, vet du ej;
>med tanken ordet föds på mannens läppar;
>det dunkelt sagda är det dunkelt tänkta."[1]
> -- Esaias Tegner, 1820
Amen, K-J.
--
Kjell Ståhl -- kst...@hem2.passagen.se
http://hem2.passagen.se/kstahl/
"I consider myself a nice guy. So should you."
WATTS Christopher
Karl-Johan Noren (k-j-...@dsv.su.se) wrote:
: In <34312F...@panam.edu>,
: Rob J <rja...@panam.edu> wrote:
:
: > Uhh huh huh huh.. huh huh.. Ishy.. that's funny huh huh huh...
:
: Your sense of humour leaves me in awe. NOT!
:
: Learn to write sensibly, learn to quote and learn to think.
: You can use the rasfwr-j FAQ to bring you up to speed.
: The rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan FAQ [35kb] is available at
:
: http://www.landfield.com/faqs/sf/robert-jordan-faq/
: http://www.lib.ox.ac.uk/internet/news/faq/archive/sf.robert-jordan-faq.html
:
: or by sending an empty e-mail to <ras...@andyc.carenet.org>
I agree with you there .... but it seems to be a bit of a gratuitess ( i know i
spelled that wrong) use of the FAQ pointer doesn't it?
Doov
"Could blood make the difference between this and the real world?"
Karl-Johan Noren
In <3443DB...@nospam.panam.edu>,
Rob J <rja...@nospam.panam.edu> wrote:
> Karl-Johan Noren wrote:
> > You could use one yourself, actually. Improper capitalisation,
> > misspellings (and _knowing_ you misspelled!), too long lines.
>
> For crying out loud.. YOU GOT HIS POINT, DIDN'T YOU?!
Yes, I did. But that's not _my_ point.
> Get over the whole misspelling crap! Why do you care that the line
> is just a tad too long anyhow? Does your whole day center around
> correcting insignificant things like that! I swear, over half the
> posts here are about someone getting high and mighty and pointing to
> the all holy FAQ. If you understand what they said WHO CARES?! What
> do any of the misspellings matter if you understand the actual
> post?! That's the whole damn point of it all. I'm sick of the
> endless nitpicking that goes on around here, it serves no purpose
> other than making someone feel more proper...
My point is that Usenet is a medium using written text,
mostly in English, which reaches a lot of people. If you do
not care about spelling, or formatting your post correctly,
then it becomes harder for everyone else of us to read.
The choice is thus very simple: write coherently or get
ignored. I just point out the alternatives.
"Vad du ej klart kan säga, vet du ej;
med tanken ordet föds på mannens läppar;
det dunkelt sagda är det dunkelt tänkta."[1]
-- Esaias Tegner, 1820
--
Karl-Johan Norén (Noren with acute e) -- k-j-...@dsv.su.se
http://www.dsv.su.se/~k-j-nore/
- To believe people are as stupid as one believes is
stupider than one can believe
[1] What you clearly cannot say, you do not know;
with thought the word is born on the lips of man;
the vaguely said is vaguely thought.
Anuj Goel
On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:54:20 -0500, Rob J <rja...@nospam.panam.edu>
wrote:
>Karl-Johan Noren wrote:
>> You could use one yourself, actually. Improper capitalisation,
>> misspellings (and _knowing_ you misspelled!), too long lines.
>>
>
> For crying out loud.. YOU GOT HIS POINT, DIDN'T YOU?! Get over the
>whole misspelling crap! Why do you care that the line is just a tad too
>long anyhow? Does your whole day center around correcting insignificant
>things like that! I swear, over half the posts here are about someone
>getting high and mighty and pointing to the all holy FAQ. If you
>understand what they said WHO CARES?! What do any of the misspellings
>matter if you understand the actual post?! That's the whole damn point
>of it all. I'm sick of the endless nitpicking that goes on around here,
>it serves no purpose other than making someone feel more proper...
Have you been to English class sometime in your life? If so, then you
know that proper formatiing, grammar, and spelling is essential to
overall comprhension. What would the world be like If everything
written has bad grammar? Would you be reading books, specifically
tWoT, if RJ and his editor knew not a whit of English grammar? No.
The same applies to Usenet. You don't want your post ignored because
ignored set standards.
Anuj Goel
"Procrastination is like a credit card; it's a lot of fun until you get the bill."
Anuj Goel
On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:06:10 GMT, afne...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
(Adam Nevraumont) wrote:
>In article <34440fb4....@news.tamu.edu>,
>Anuj Goel <akg...@tamu.edu> wrote:
>>Have you been to English class sometime in your life? If so, then you
>>know that proper formatiing, grammar, and spelling is essential to
>>overall comprhension. What would the world be like If everything
>>written has bad grammar? Would you be reading books, specifically
>>tWoT, if RJ and his editor knew not a whit of English grammar? No.
>>The same applies to Usenet. You don't want your post ignored because
>>ignored set standards.
>You know, it's always fun to watch someone critique someone else one their
>grammer, and make a grammer mistake right in the middle of it.
>
>That's reasone #1 not to critisize someone's spelling/grammer. . .
>
>'course, Anuj could have been trying to make a point. . .
>Nawww
>
>Given that I probably made many mistakes in this post, I won't list Anuj's
>grammer, formatting and spelling errors. . .
*ahem* Thanks for that pointer. Yes, I realize that formatting has
two t's and not two i's. And I'm glad to see that you know how to
spell grammar. Let's see, that's four times that you misspelled it,
so it probably wasn't a typo. Now you know how to spell it correctly.
Try to see that it doesn't happen again.
You're welcome.
Adam Nevraumont
>wrote:
>
>>Karl-Johan Noren wrote:
>>> You could use one yourself, actually. Improper capitalisation,
>>> misspellings (and _knowing_ you misspelled!), too long lines.
>>>
>>
>> For crying out loud.. YOU GOT HIS POINT, DIDN'T YOU?! Get over the
>>whole misspelling crap! Why do you care that the line is just a tad too
>>long anyhow? Does your whole day center around correcting insignificant
>>things like that! I swear, over half the posts here are about someone
>>getting high and mighty and pointing to the all holy FAQ. If you
>>understand what they said WHO CARES?! What do any of the misspellings
>>matter if you understand the actual post?! That's the whole damn point
>>of it all. I'm sick of the endless nitpicking that goes on around here,
>>it serves no purpose other than making someone feel more proper...
>
>know that proper formatiing, grammar, and spelling is essential to
>overall comprhension. What would the world be like If everything
>written has bad grammar? Would you be reading books, specifically
>tWoT, if RJ and his editor knew not a whit of English grammar? No.
>The same applies to Usenet. You don't want your post ignored because
>ignored set standards.
>
>
>"Procrastination is like a credit card; it's a lot of fun until you get the bill."
You know, it's always fun to watch someone critique someone else one their
grammer, and make a grammer mistake right in the middle of it.
That's reasone #1 not to critisize someone's spelling/grammer. . .
'course, Anuj could have been trying to make a point. . .
Nawww
Given that I probably made many mistakes in this post, I won't list Anuj's
grammer, formatting and spelling errors. . .
--
Adam Nevraumont
Adam.Ne...@uwaterloo.ca
http://noether.math.uwaterloo.ca/~afnevrau
<Insert your favorite quote here>
Michael Kozlowski
In article <344548d0....@news.tamu.edu>,
Anuj Goel <akg...@tamu.edu> wrote:
>>In article <34440fb4....@news.tamu.edu>,
>>Anuj Goel <akg...@tamu.edu> wrote:
>>>Have you been to English class sometime in your life? If so, then you
>>>know that proper formatiing, grammar, and spelling is essential to
>>>overall comprhension. What would the world be like If everything
>>>written has bad grammar? Would you be reading books, specifically
>>>tWoT, if RJ and his editor knew not a whit of English grammar? No.
>>>The same applies to Usenet. You don't want your post ignored because
>>>ignored set standards.
[Adam Nevramount, in an intentionally mistake-laden post, points out that
Anuj has made some errors above]
>*ahem* Thanks for that pointer. Yes, I realize that formatting has
>two t's and not two i's.
Good for you. Hopefully, you also realize that the verb in that sentence
should have been plural: "...formatting, grammar, and spelling are...".
Presumably, you're also aware that the "if" in the middle of the next
sentence shouldn't have been capitalized. And that that same sentence
ought to have ended with "had bad grammar." (Or, if you're stuck on that
present tense, "were to have bad grammar.")
I'm sure that you already knew that your next sentence was awkwardly
phrased; that "the same" in the penultimate sentence doesn't refer to
anything unambiguously; and that "ignored because ignored" in your
final sentence is terribly ungrammatical.
All in all, your post defending grammar was one of the least grammatical
pieces of writing I've seen recently.
>And I'm glad to see that you know how to
>spell grammar. Let's see, that's four times that you misspelled it,
>so it probably wasn't a typo. Now you know how to spell it correctly.
>Try to see that it doesn't happen again.
There's not a lot to say to this, other than:
Adam: 1
Anuj: 0
-Mike "Yes, yes, I'm procrastinating, dammit" K.
--
Michael Kozlowski m...@cs.wisc.edu
Recommended SF (updated 10/2): http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~mlk/sfbooks.html
"Ghost of Carl Sagan Warns Against Dangers of Superstition" -- The Onion
Alistair J. R. Young
On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:54:20 -0500, in message <3443DB...@nospam.panam.edu>,
Rob J <rja...@nospam.panam.edu> praised Shub-Internet thus:
> For crying out loud.. YOU GOT HIS POINT, DIDN'T YOU?! Get over the
> whole misspelling crap! Why do you care that the line is just a tad
> too long anyhow? Does your whole day center around correcting
> insignificant things like that! I swear, over half the posts here
> are about someone getting high and mighty and pointing to the all
> holy FAQ. If you understand what they said WHO CARES?! What do any
> of the misspellings matter if you understand the actual post?!
Simple. Repeated badly formatted posts filled with misspellings lead
the reader to conclude that the poster of the posts in question is a
quote-fscking idiot-unquote. And with hundreds of posts per day, who
has time to read one like that?
*Some* people like to try to point this out to people so they'll
improve. Others, like me, just ignore them. Until someone decides to
spout this 'lets-glorify-idiocy' rubbish that seems to form the basis
of your argument, of course.
::sigh:: I hate it when I encounter this argument more than once a
day. So much for humanity. Bah!
Alistair "oh, and plonk." Y
--
Alistair J. R. Young Computational Thaumaturge & Son of Ether.
Arkane Systems Ltd. Sysimperator, dominus retis deusque machinarum.
e-mail: ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.arkane.demon.co.uk/
"It's nice to be loved, but there's a lot to be said for CRINGING RESPECT!"
-- seen on a button
Andrea Lynn Leistra
>
>>In article <34440fb4....@news.tamu.edu>,
>>Anuj Goel <akg...@tamu.edu> wrote:
[serious post on the virtues of good grammar]
[intentionally error-laden post remarking on the tendency for grammar
correction posts to always have errors]
>*ahem* Thanks for that pointer. Yes, I realize that formatting has
>two t's and not two i's. And I'm glad to see that you know how to
>spell grammar. Let's see, that's four times that you misspelled it,
>so it probably wasn't a typo. Now you know how to spell it correctly.
>Try to see that it doesn't happen again.
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
--
Andrea Leistra http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~aleistra
-----
Life is complex. It has real and imaginary parts.
Steger
Ummm . . . Not "grammer". . . it's "grammar"
Only joking! Couldn't help it, really! I've been helping eighth
graders edit their "essays" all day long. I honestly don't think that
this medium is such a formal one that the rules need to be so very
stiff. Of course, people should TRY and do their BEST (sorry . . .
teacher coming out in me . . . must stop!), but I see this as more a
forum for ideas than anything. Also, I firmly believe that sometimes
spellers (and grammarians) are just sort of born that way. And, at the
opposite end of the spectrum . . .
Can't we all just get along?
--K
John S. Novak
>You know, it's always fun to watch someone critique someone else one their
>grammer, and make a grammer mistake right in the middle of it.
Indeed, it is.
"Grammer?"
--
John S. Novak, III j...@cris.com
The Humblest Man on the Net
Dave Howell
On 15 Oct 1997 23:31:51 +0000, Alistair J. R. Young
<avatar...@arkane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
#ifdef LOTS_OF_GRAMMAR
#include <previousPosts.h>
#endif
>Simple. Repeated badly formatted posts filled with misspellings lead
>the reader to conclude that the poster of the posts in question is a
>quote-fscking idiot-unquote. And with hundreds of posts per day, who
>has time to read one like that?
>
>Alistair "oh, and plonk." Y
assert(arcane_programmer); /* if you don't get it, exit */
"quote-fscking idiot-unquote" ? While fsck is something you do after
an idiot got to your Unix system, maybe he's just shut his workstation
down before sync-ing his disks? That *would* explain the scrambled
bytes in his post...
Perhaps I've been working too long today?
Anuj Goel
On 15 Oct 1997 23:50:05 GMT, m...@sol20.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Kozlowski)
wrote:
>All in all, your post defending grammar was one of the least grammatical
>pieces of writing I've seen recently.
Actually, I've seen quite a few pieces of writing with bad grammar
recently. Go figure.
And from now on, I'll be sure to have my posts proofread at least five
times before posting them. Sound good?
Adam Nevraumont
[MUNCH]
I never realized how much fun trolling was, until I tried it. . .
--
Adam Nevraumont
Adam.Ne...@uwaterloo.ca
http://noether.math.uwaterloo.ca/~afnevrau
"More seductive, easier, yes, but funnier? Yes! Join the Troll Side."
Adam Nevraumont
In article <344548d0....@news.tamu.edu>,
Anuj Goel <akg...@tamu.edu> wrote:
>
>*ahem* Thanks for that pointer. Yes, I realize that formatting has
>two t's and not two i's. And I'm glad to see that you know how to
>spell grammar. Let's see, that's four times that you misspelled it,
>so it probably wasn't a typo. Now you know how to spell it correctly.
>Try to see that it doesn't happen again.
>
>
>
>Anuj Goel
>"Procrastination is like a credit card; it's a lot of fun until you get the bill."
00000000011111111112222222222333333333344444444445555555555666666666677777777778
That wasn't what I was referring to as to formatting.
I didn't even notice the error in the word 'formatting' you made, I just
noticed the to-long line in your signature. So, unlike you, I wasn't being
facetious. Though, I could see how you might have misinterpreted me.
--
Adam Nevraumont
Adam.Ne...@uwaterloo.ca
http://noether.math.uwaterloo.ca/~afnevrau
Rikard Svenman
Karl-Johan Noren <k-j-...@dsv.su.se> wrote:
>In <3443DB...@nospam.panam.edu>,
>Rob J <rja...@nospam.panam.edu> wrote:
>
>> Karl-Johan Noren wrote:
>> > You could use one yourself, actually. Improper capitalisation,
>> > misspellings (and _knowing_ you misspelled!), too long lines.
>>
>> For crying out loud.. YOU GOT HIS POINT, DIDN'T YOU?!
[snip]
>My point is that Usenet is a medium using written text,
>mostly in English, which reaches a lot of people. If you do
>not care about spelling, or formatting your post correctly,
>then it becomes harder for everyone else of us to read.
True.
>The choice is thus very simple: write coherently or get
>ignored. I just point out the alternatives.
Not true. You do more than point out alternatives. You tell everyone
on this group that 'this guy is a moron, he can't even spell right,
lets ignore him!'. Not in so many words, but the feeling is quite
clear, at least to me, even though I've never incurred your wrath (so
far ;). Sure, point out if someone makes a mistake, education is
good, but please, don't reply to a post _only_ to bitch about
formatting or spelling or whatever.
Netiquette can be taken too far. IMHO, of course. And yes, I know that
this group takes netiquette more seriously than others, and that my
perception of your (K-J Noren especially) posts might be too serious,
but I don't think I'm the only one perceiving them as rather hard. (?)
>"Vad du ej klart kan säga, vet du ej;
>med tanken ordet föds på mannens läppar;
>det dunkelt sagda är det dunkelt tänkta."[1]
> -- Esaias Tegner, 1820
[snip sig]
> What you clearly cannot say, you do not know;
> with thought the word is born on the lips of man;
> the vaguely said is vaguely thought.
Very true. Does it apply to bad grammar? No. I doubt that's what Mr
Tegner meant when he wrote that, and I hope that you don't think what
it seems you're thinking[2].
Should the usenet then be reserved to those with impeccable treatment
of the english language? Should people be refrained from speaking
their minds only because they cannot use english as well as you, me(?)
or anyone else? Face it, not everybody in the world has the high
degree of education we have in Sweden, nor do all people have the
desire to put very much effort into learning a second language. They
might not have the time, nor the aptitude to do so, but that doesn't
mean they might not have something to say.
Or does it?
As for Mr Tegner. He (IMHO) is talking about something along the
line of: If you can't explain something satisfactory, then you
probably don't understand it all that well either, and should consider
thinking a bit before speaking. He is _not_ talking about unability to
explain because of bad grammar or spelling.
Om jag forsoker forklara nagot for den har gruppen pa svenska, sa
forstar de flesta ingenting. Gor det mig dum?[3]
Answer: Yes. Most people won't understand me, thus making the reason
for my post invalid. But is the _content_ of my post neccesarily
stupid?
Why ignore someone just because he has less than perfect grammar? All
I'm saying is, people might have something to say evn if they cant
spell rigt. If the person clearly shows that he has nothing to say or
is stupid/crazy/whatever, sure, killfile him or better yet, educate
him via e-mail. But _don't_ ignore him/her for _having bad grammar_.
It just isn't fair.
As usual, these are MY opinions, and I'm not afraid of people
disagreeing with me. Even if they thinks I'm using bad grammar.
/sve...@NOSPAMhem.passagen.se
"we must be mad." "Nice day for it."
[2] It seems you are saying people who can't spell right or apply
correct grammar to their posts are somewhat retarded (the vaguely said
is the vaguely thought) and thus have no business posting to this ng
or to any other for that matter.
[3] If I try to explain something to this group in swedish, most
people won't understand a thing I'm saying. Does that make me stupid?
Are we killfiling me yet? :)
Anuj Goel
On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:36:21 -0400, "Ryan Reich" <rei...@stuy.edu>
wrote:
>Are you stuck with a permanent bad temper, or are you just tired?
Actually, I'm usually just tired. And I hate to see people use bad
English when they should be better.
BTW, please attribute when quoting. This is a complaint that you will
no doubt see many times, and usually I'm not the one who complains
about it.
Anuj Goel
>I didn't even notice the error in the word 'formatting' you made, I just
>noticed the to-long line in your signature. So, unlike you, I wasn't being
>facetious. Though, I could see how you might have misinterpreted me.
Yes, that is a problem. Unfortunately, I can't quite see where I
should put breaks in my .sig so that it is formatted correctly. It is
the one thing that Free Agent does not automaticallt wrap for me.
Perhaps you could tell me where I should break my .sig?
Karl-Johan Noren
In <344683b2...@nntpserver.swip.net>,
sve...@NOSPAM.hem.passagen.se (Rikard Svenman) wrote:
> Karl-Johan Noren <k-j-...@dsv.su.se> wrote:
> >Rob J <rja...@nospam.panam.edu> wrote:
> >> Karl-Johan Noren wrote:
> >> > You could use one yourself, actually. Improper capitalisation,
> >> > misspellings (and _knowing_ you misspelled!), too long lines.
> >> For crying out loud.. YOU GOT HIS POINT, DIDN'T YOU?!
> [snip]
> >My point is that Usenet is a medium using written text,
> >mostly in English, which reaches a lot of people. If you do
> >not care about spelling, or formatting your post correctly,
> >then it becomes harder for everyone else of us to read.
> True.
Glad you agrees on that.
> >The choice is thus very simple: write coherently or get
> >ignored. I just point out the alternatives.
>
> Not true. You do more than point out alternatives. You tell everyone
> on this group that 'this guy is a moron, he can't even spell right,
> lets ignore him!'.
Yes, I tell him what he did wrong in public. But then he did
post in public. The interpretation you do is yours, but I
think you exaggerate a bit in it.
> Not in so many words, but the feeling is quite clear, at least to
> me, even though I've never incurred your wrath (so far ;). Sure,
> point out if someone makes a mistake, education is good, but please,
> don't reply to a post _only_ to bitch about formatting or spelling
> or whatever.
In this case it was actually Christopher Watts who started
"bitching".
> Netiquette can be taken too far. IMHO, of course. And yes, I know that
> this group takes netiquette more seriously than others, and that my
> perception of your (K-J Noren especially) posts might be too serious,
> but I don't think I'm the only one perceiving them as rather hard. (?)
You haven't read and participated here for very long, have
you? The only reason we _can_ keep some order here is
through _demanding_ decent grammar, attributions, properly
formatted posts etc.
Compare this group to soc.culture.nordic (which currently
has half the traffic of this one) or
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html.
> > What you clearly cannot say, you do not know;
> > with thought the word is born on the lips of man;
> > the vaguely said is vaguely thought.
>
> Very true. Does it apply to bad grammar? No. I doubt that's what Mr
> Tegner meant when he wrote that, and I hope that you don't think what
> it seems you're thinking[2].
Go back and check my posts to this thread. I haven't mentioned
the word 'grammar' until this post.
[ snip putting words in my mouth ]
> As for Mr Tegner. He (IMHO) is talking about something along the
> line of: If you can't explain something satisfactory, then you
> probably don't understand it all that well either, and should consider
> thinking a bit before speaking. He is _not_ talking about unability to
> explain because of bad grammar or spelling.
Actually, grammar was never the issue here (at least for me).
Check my original answer to Christopher Watts.
And Christopher didn't think very much before posting. Too
long lines, didn't look up a word that he knew he
misspelled, no capitalisation. That is more than making some
simple grammar mistakes or misspellings, it's saying that he
doesn't care about making his post readable at all!
Jack
Anuj Goel (akg...@tamu.edu) wrote:
:
: Perhaps you could tell me where I should break my .sig?
:
:
: Anuj Goel
: "Procrastination is like a credit card; it's a lot of fun until you get the bill."
Perhaps you could break it like this:
"Procrastination is like a credit card;
it's a lot of fun until you get the bill"
HTH.
-Jack
--
"Women. A mistake, or did He do it to us... ON PURPOSE?!?"
-Jack Nicholson
Adam Nevraumont
In article <3446cfe9...@news.tamu.edu>,
Anuj Goel <akg...@tamu.edu> wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:02:42 GMT, afne...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
>(Adam Nevraumont) wrote:
>
>
>>I didn't even notice the error in the word 'formatting' you made, I just
>>noticed the to-long line in your signature. So, unlike you, I wasn't being
>>facetious. Though, I could see how you might have misinterpreted me.
>
>Yes, that is a problem. Unfortunately, I can't quite see where I
>should put breaks in my .sig so that it is formatted correctly. It is
>the one thing that Free Agent does not automaticallt wrap for me.
>
I'd advise at the ; - it would look better. Otherwise, you could use
my handy-dandy character count I gave you in the previous letter, and
break at or before character 78 (76ish or less is better.)
--
Adam Nevraumont
Adam.Ne...@uwaterloo.ca
http://noether.math.uwaterloo.ca/~afnevrau
<Insert your favourate quote here.>
Rikard Svenman
Karl-Johan Noren <k-j-...@dsv.su.se> wrote:
>In <344683b2...@nntpserver.swip.net>,
>sve...@NOSPAM.hem.passagen.se (Rikard Svenman) wrote:
[snip]
>> Not true. You do more than point out alternatives. You tell everyone
>> on this group that 'this guy is a moron, he can't even spell right,
>> lets ignore him!'.
>
>Yes, I tell him what he did wrong in public. But then he did
>post in public. The interpretation you do is yours, but I
>think you exaggerate a bit in it.
Yes, I did. It's a rethorical thing, I suppose. Exaggerate to make
your point clearer.
>
>In this case it was actually Christopher Watts who started
>"bitching".
Roger that. And bitching was perhaps not the best choice of words.
Bickering might be more like it, and I'm part of it, now. :)
>
>> Netiquette can be taken too far. IMHO, of course. And yes, I know that
>> this group takes netiquette more seriously than others, and that my
>> perception of your (K-J Noren especially) posts might be too serious,
>> but I don't think I'm the only one perceiving them as rather hard. (?)
>
>You haven't read and participated here for very long, have
>you? The only reason we _can_ keep some order here is
>through _demanding_ decent grammar, attributions, properly
>formatted posts etc.
I don't agree. The problem here (I think) is that we have different
viewpoints. I look at the content of a post, rather than the language
used in it. Sure, it's easier to read when the post is properly
formatted, uses correct spelling, grammar, and so on, but what happens
when we start complaining that someone ( a newbie, perhaps) isn't 'up
to our standards'? The poor guy will (or might, anyways) never dare
post another article. Why? Because he was dressed down for using bad
language, never mind that the _contents_ of his post actually made
sense. Someone using bad formatting, OTOH, is easily set straight,
tell him/her the way it should be, and everything should be fine
(people using HTML is a good example).
And no, I haven't posted much, but I read the NG in periods. Right now
I'm re-reading the entire series, and so I lurk to get new ideas and
POVs.
>[ snip putting words in my mouth ]
I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. If it seemed that way, I
apologize.
>Actually, grammar was never the issue here (at least for me).
>Check my original answer to Christopher Watts.
I wasn't discussing this thread in particular, nor am I attacking you
personally. I used you as an example as well as comment on your post.
I should have made that clear in my original post.
>
>And Christopher didn't think very much before posting. Too
>long lines, didn't look up a word that he knew he
>misspelled, no capitalisation. That is more than making some
>simple grammar mistakes or misspellings, it's saying that he
>doesn't care about making his post readable at all!
Why? Did you have any problems understanding his post?
I'm not counting having to read a word twice as problems, btw.
I'm not saying 'don't care about what you post', I'm just saying that
we might be a bit more lenient on those not as used to english as we
are... Hmm... This is beginning to sound very patronising, but
honestly it isn't meant that way. Undoubtedly, I make quite a lot of
mistakes as well, and I would like to find out about them. But I would
be offended if someone completely ignored what I was trying to say but
instead posted a reply complaining about my language or formatting,
that could just as well be done via e-mail. Unless, of course, it's a
common mistake, like HTML, in which it would serve a _purpose_ to tell
it to the entire NG.
Question: Do you comment as much on these things right after a new
book release? I assume traffic peaks after every new book. (?)
As usual, these are my opinions. Sharing of thoughts is good. IMO.
/sve...@NOSPAM.hem.passagen.se
"We have no crime in this city after dark." "SWAT Team?" "Dragons."
Steve Monahan
On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:12:51 -0500, Steger <te...@swbell.net> wrote:
>Can't we all just get along?
ObMe: Fuck no.
---
Steve (Remove "NO SPAM" to reply)
Never knock on death's door.
Ring the bell and run. He *hates* that!
- Yet another arrogant bastard.
On 17 Oct 1997 14:36:51 GMT, "Eric D. Laurain" <cvl...@ic.net> wrote:
>
>
>Alistair J. R. Young <avatar...@arkane.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
><c1.2b6.2Hwttv$1...@esther.arkane.net>...
>> On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:54:20 -0500, in message
><3443DB...@nospam.panam.edu>,
>> Rob J <rja...@nospam.panam.edu> praised Shub-Internet thus:
>
>> > If you understand what they said WHO CARES?! What do any
>> > of the misspellings matter if you understand the actual post?!
>>
>> Simple. Repeated badly formatted posts filled with misspellings lead
>> the reader to conclude that the poster of the posts in question is a
>> quote-fscking idiot-unquote. And with hundreds of posts per day, who
>> has time to read one like that?
>>
>> *Some* people like to try to point this out to people so they'll
>> improve. Others, like me, just ignore them. Until someone decides to
>> spout this 'lets-glorify-idiocy' rubbish that seems to form the basis
>> of your argument, of course.
>>
>> ::sigh:: I hate it when I encounter this argument more than once a
>> day. So much for humanity. Bah!
>
>Impressive. It's not very often that I get the opportunity to be dazzled
>by the utter and overwhelming arrogance of the self-absorbed. I really
>appreciate the experience.
>
Honor to dazzle and all that.
We at Overwhelming Arrogant Bastards, Inc. endeavor to put forth a
strong, unified and overwhelming product for the meek bleating masses.
It's always nice to see our efforts appreciated.
Even if we don't give a fuck what all you pissants think.
You're welcome.
NO CARRIER
Eric D. Laurain
Alistair J. R. Young <avatar...@arkane.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<c1.2b6.2Hwttv$1...@esther.arkane.net>...
> On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:54:20 -0500, in message
<3443DB...@nospam.panam.edu>,
> Rob J <rja...@nospam.panam.edu> praised Shub-Internet thus:
> > If you understand what they said WHO CARES?! What do any
> > of the misspellings matter if you understand the actual post?!
>
> Simple. Repeated badly formatted posts filled with misspellings lead
> the reader to conclude that the poster of the posts in question is a
> quote-fscking idiot-unquote. And with hundreds of posts per day, who
> has time to read one like that?
>
> *Some* people like to try to point this out to people so they'll
> improve. Others, like me, just ignore them. Until someone decides to
> spout this 'lets-glorify-idiocy' rubbish that seems to form the basis
> of your argument, of course.
>
> ::sigh:: I hate it when I encounter this argument more than once a
> day. So much for humanity. Bah!
Impressive. It's not very often that I get the opportunity to be dazzled
by the utter and overwhelming arrogance of the self-absorbed. I really
appreciate the experience.
E.
Steve Monahan
On 18 Oct 1997 01:32:33 +0200, Karl-Johan Noren <k-j-...@dsv.su.se>
wrote:
>In <344ff292...@news2.ibm.net>,
>my fellow warder Steve <ste...@ibm.NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:12:51 -0500, Steger <te...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Can't we all just get along?
>>
>> ObMe: Fuck no.
>
>Suffering from Aes Sedai withdrawal, are you? Kate, maybe
>you should ask Scottina to take care of Steve for a while?
>
While I would never hesitate to be on the receiving end of Scottina's
tender mercies, I have to admit that it's not a case of withdrawal.
Just me being my usual sweet and pleasant self.
>(No, it has nothing to do with that then I get Kate all for
>myself while in London. Not at all. Nope. Totally honest.
>Never been more sincere.)
She got the Cuendillar chastity belt I sent her right before she left.
I know you'll be pleased to hear that...
---
Steve (Remove "NO SPAM" to reply)
"...and I will make it felony to drink small beer."
[King Henry VI]
Alistair J. R. Young
On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:34:14 -0400, in message <62641j$g...@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com>,
"Ryan Reich" <rei...@stuy.edu> praised Shub-Internet thus:
> Get with it!
Not Quite ObNovak, But ObMe: Get with _what_, blast it?
Alistair
--
Alistair J. R. Young Computational Thaumaturge & Son of Ether.
Arkane Systems Ltd. Sysimperator, dominus retis deusque machinarum.
e-mail: ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.arkane.demon.co.uk/
"No-one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."
-- H L Mencken
"No-one ever went broke underestimating their intelligence, either."
-- Novak's extension.
Ryan Reich
Anuj Goel wrote in message <3446ce20...@news.tamu.edu>...
>On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:36:21 -0400, "Ryan Reich" <rei...@stuy.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>Are you stuck with a permanent bad temper, or are you just tired?
>
>Actually, I'm usually just tired. And I hate to see people use bad
>English when they should be better.
>
>BTW, please attribute when quoting. This is a complaint that you will
>no doubt see many times, and usually I'm not the one who complains
>about it.
>
>
>Anuj Goel
>"Procrastination is like a credit card; it's a lot of fun until you get the
bill."
What was so bad about the grammar in that sentence?
Ryan Reich
Watcher of the Seals
Flame of New York
The Tamyrlin Seat
Kate Nepveu
Karl-Johan Noren (k-j-...@dsv.su.se) wrote:
: In <344ff292...@news2.ibm.net>,
: my fellow warder Steve <ste...@ibm.NOSPAM.net> wrote:
: Suffering from Aes Sedai withdrawal, are you? Kate, maybe
: you should ask Scottina to take care of Steve for a while?
I think I'll wait for a petition from the Warder in question, thanks...
: (No, it has nothing to do with that then I get Kate all for
: myself while in London. Not at all. Nope. Totally honest.
: Never been more sincere.)
Gack.
Kate
Life's incessant ceremonies leap everlasting, humans spring eternal on
hope's breast, and frying pans without fires are often far between...
--Roger Zelazny, _Sign of the Unicorn_
Kate Nepveu
Steve Monahan (ste...@ibm.NOSPAM.net) wrote:
: On 18 Oct 1997 03:04:31 +0200, Karl-Johan Noren <k-j-...@dsv.su.se>
: wrote:
: >In <3452fc14...@news2.ibm.net>,: >> She got the Cuendillar chastity belt I sent her right before she left.
: >> I know you'll be pleased to hear that...
: >Damn!
: >Oh well, there's still oral and anal sex.
: <blank stare>
<glare> No, there isn't.
: >At least there's no (ObSauna:) saunas in London.
: I think that Ted Turner just donated $250 million worth of saunas to
: our heat deprived cousins across the pond...
Not that it matters to me, since I have no intention of going anywhere
near a sauna...
Kate
God gave man a penis and a brain, but only enough blood to use
one at a time.
--Robin Williams
Steve Monahan
On 19 Oct 1997 13:52:11 GMT, kne...@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Kate Nepveu)
wrote:
>Steve Monahan (ste...@ibm.NOSPAM.net) wrote:
>: On 18 Oct 1997 03:04:31 +0200, Karl-Johan Noren <k-j-...@dsv.su.se>
>: wrote:
>: >In <3452fc14...@news2.ibm.net>,
>: >my fellow warder Steve <ste...@ibm.NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>: >> She got the Cuendillar chastity belt I sent her right before she left.
>: >> I know you'll be pleased to hear that...
>
>: >Damn!
>: >Oh well, there's still oral and anal sex.
>
>: <blank stare>
>
><glare> No, there isn't.
>
Yeah!
What she said!
>: >At least there's no (ObSauna:) saunas in London.
>
>: I think that Ted Turner just donated $250 million worth of saunas to
>: our heat deprived cousins across the pond...
>
>Not that it matters to me, since I have no intention of going anywhere
>near a sauna...
>
A sauna is to K-J as a stedding is to Aes Sedai.
"Makes him itch."
Steve Monahan
On 19 Oct 1997 13:44:50 GMT, kne...@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Kate Nepveu)
wrote:
>Karl-Johan Noren (k-j-...@dsv.su.se) wrote:
>: In <344ff292...@news2.ibm.net>,
>: my fellow warder Steve <ste...@ibm.NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>: > ObMe: Fuck no.
>
>: Suffering from Aes Sedai withdrawal, are you? Kate, maybe
>: you should ask Scottina to take care of Steve for a while?
>
>I think I'll wait for a petition from the Warder in question, thanks...
>
Your instincts are flawless...
>: (No, it has nothing to do with that then I get Kate all for
>: myself while in London. Not at all. Nope. Totally honest.
>: Never been more sincere.)
>
>Gack.
>
Indeed.
---
Steve (Remove NOSPAM to reply)
NAACP President Kweisi Mfume announced today that he is leaving the
group to become head of Warner Brothers.
As part of the deal, he has agreed to change his name to Kweisi Wabbit.
Michael Kozlowski
In article <62paep$j...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
WATTS Christopher <c942...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
>Karl-Johan Noren (k-j-...@dsv.su.se) wrote:
>: misspellings (and _knowing_ you misspelled!), too long lines.
>
>Well I left my dictionary with that kitchen sink I like to carry
>around with me at uni.
Sorry, but that doesn't wash. Y'see, there are half a dozen or more
dictionaries on-line. And since you're quite clearly online, you've got
access.
Do get back to me when you're done making excuses for your laziness.
--
Michael Kozlowski m...@cs.wisc.edu
Recommended SF (updated 10/21): http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~mlk/sfbooks.html
"Ghost of Carl Sagan Warns Against Dangers of Superstition" -- The Onion
Rick Moen
WATTS Christopher <c942...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
: Now I have been off the NG's for a little while now, so forgive me if
: I am rehashing old posts, but i feel I should defend myself here since
: so few others are bothering to. Hmm.. "Bitching" as you say above that I
: started this, is rather incorrect and I did refer back to the original
: post to confirm this. If YOU looked back you would see that I responded
: to your completely unnecessary FAQ pointer to a fellow that happened to
: make a bad joke. My point was and still is that this legendary FAQ is not
: some deity to which you can refer hapless fools who you disagree with for
: any greivance you can think of, which seems to be becoming the case of
: late.
Kiddo, not only has this allegation been discussed before, but it's
been discussed _ad nauseum_.
However, once again, just for luck: It would be the height of folly to
refer anyone to the WoT FAQ in such a fashion, because that selfsame
FAQ proclaims, right up at the top, the following basic fact:
Please note that this document makes no claims as to the actual
truth of any of the speculations in it. (Individual authors, on the
other hand, do.) It exists to chronicle, in an organized fashion,
the discussions on popular topics in the newsgroup. You should read
it because it will give you an idea of what has been said before by
many people. Chances are, if you want to know what people think
about a given theory, it's in here. So, read before you post, it
will help you make your post more interesting and persuasive. (If
you simply ask a question in the FAQ, chances are that people will
just refer you to this document, anyway, instead of discussing the
same ol' stuff again.)
So, please don't post allegations of FAQ-worship, when someone
posts a FAQ pointer that you happen to dislike. You'll succeed
only in making yourself look rather silly.
--
Cheers, Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate r.a.sf.w.r-j.
Rick Moen
rick (at) hugin.imat.com
Adam Nevraumont
In article <62paep$j...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
WATTS Christopher <c942...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
>Well I left my dictionary with that kitchen sink I like to carry
>around with me at uni.
Try the spell command.
HTH
Derek Baker
Ace wrote:
>
> Adam Nevraumont wrote in message ...
> you made up? You've repeated this mistake in every post you've made. Then
> you harp on other's spelling. sheesh.
>
> Ace
Well, "Ace", since Adam apparently went too fast for you, I'll try.
English, which all of us former and current subjects of Their Royal
Majesties theoretically speak, is cursed/blessed with many and sundry
variations and colloquialisms ... sorry, forgot who I was writing to ...
English Not Same All Places, Ugh!
Hence, we have grey/gray, colour/color, sulpher/sulfer, etc. For people like
me, who read a lot of British authors while young, this causes no end
of trouble in school when it comes to spelling tests.
One who think that you, as an Aussie, would be more aware of this.
Derek
dou...@eve.speakeasy.org
>English, which all of us former and current subjects of Their Royal
>Majesties theoretically speak
That should be "speaks." Collective singular, y'know.
> sorry, forgot who I was writing to ...
This should read "to whom I was writing." HTH.
>Hence, we have grey/gray, colour/color, sulpher/sulfer, etc. For people like
>me, who read a lot of British authors while young, this causes no end
>of trouble in school when it comes to spelling tests.
>One who think that you, as an Aussie, would be more aware of this.
This has no impact whatsoever on whether some yammering jackass who
consistently misspells "favourite" as "favourate" has any basis to
criticize another's spelling. Perhaps if you actually *read* the post
instead of hitting some "four word limit" and stopping?
--
--
"In fact, I think most Scottish cuisine is based on a dare."
Adam Nevraumont
In article <62sfq9$b5d$1...@news.syd.fl.net.au>, Ace <nospa...@fl.net.au> wrote:
>
>Adam Nevraumont wrote in message ...
>>In article <62paep$j...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
>>WATTS Christopher <c942...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
>>>Well I left my dictionary with that kitchen sink I like to carry
>>>around with me at uni.
>>
>>Try the spell command.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>--
>>Adam Nevraumont
>>Adam.Ne...@uwaterloo.ca
>>http://noether.math.uwaterloo.ca/~afnevrau
>><Insert your favourate quote here.>
>
>Maybe you should try it yourself. Just what is favourate? Is that a new word
>you made up? You've repeated this mistake in every post you've made. Then
>you harp on other's spelling. sheesh.
I repeat that I have never harped on another's spelling. That I can recall.
Other than the 'Tim the Wheel' movie, and that incident with Anuj, but
one was done because I was feeling silly, and the other one was done
as my first Troll.
And, I have mentioned my horrible spelling skills in the past - about the
only thing that keeps me half-way ledgible is 'spell', which doesn't work
on Canadian spellings (I should gripe about that. . .). Normally I wouldn't
make that mistake with such regularity, (my mispellings are erratic), but
the above boo-boo is in my .signature, and has been there for about 3 years
now. . .
Please, if you wish to respond to this message, attach it to the other
thread where you made the same accusation, and I mentioned Canadian
spelling. I don't want to have to repeat myself more than 3.1415 times. . .
:)
--
Adam Nevraumont
Adam.Ne...@uwaterloo.ca
http://noether.math.uwaterloo.ca/~afnevrau
<Insert your favourite quote here.>
Derek Baker
I almost didn't bother to respond, but what the heck...
Ace wrote:
>
> >
> >I was looking at the o/ou thing and overlooked the substitution of "a" for
> "i"
> >but in his defense, he wasn't the one doing the spelling criticism, it was
> >actually Karl-Johan. Adam just suggested the use of a spell-checker since
> >the original poster had left his dictionary at his university.
> >As for my supposed "four word limit" - drop dead, you burke. HAND
> >Derek
>
> That kind of makes your earlier post redundant then. Your whole argument was
> based on that o/ou thing so it didn't really accomplish anything. By the
Redundant? Based on a false assumption, perhaps, but not redundant.
Redundant is duplicating previous effort - as in your birth, since the
world already has a surplus of obnoxious cretins - and there was nothing
redundant about it.
> way, why did you write my name as "Ace" (with the punctuation) in your
> earlier post? You don't think that is my real name, "Derek"? Well it is. Ace
> Sanchez. I reckon it sounds a hell of a lot cooler than "Derek" anyway =).
It was in quotes because I was struck by the irony. The fact that it is the
result of your parents misguided optimism makes it all the better!
> And it wasn't really a friendly suggestion. It was more like a sarcastic
> "Try the spell command" like he was superior or something. And notice he
You're reading waaay to much into that. In all of the posts that Adam has
made in the last few months, he has NEVER criticized anyone's spelling
ability. On the contrary, he has frequently made light of his own spelling
problems and referred to his need for the spell command. This _was_ a
friendly suggestion, as can be shown by the fact that Chris Watts didn't see
the need to take Adam to task.
Now, Adam does take formatting errors to heart, and often corrects them, much
like many members of this newsgroup.
> spells 'favourite' correctly now, thanks to me =). Oh yeah HAND too!
Certain to be your lasting contribution to this group. Aren't you proud?
Having A Nice Day,
Derek
Adam Nevraumont
In article <34578C...@erols.com>, Derek Baker <bak...@erols.com> wrote:
>I almost didn't bother to respond, but what the heck...
>> spells 'favourite' correctly now, thanks to me =). Oh yeah HAND too!
D'oh! Does this mean I'll have to change it back, or be indepted to
that guy?
@#$@#$.
Oh well, I guess I can just change my .signature. . .
>Certain to be your lasting contribution to this group. Aren't you proud?
Don't worry, the .sig is being changed as I type.
Wait. That didn't make any sense. Unless I had 4 arms.
Which I deny. You have NO PROOF!
Any opinions on my new, improved .sig?
(The disclaimer was part of my old .sig beyond the usenet 4-line-limit. . .)
--
Adam Nevraumont
Adam.Ne...@uwaterloo.ca
http://noether.math.uwaterloo.ca/%7Eafnevrau
#include "http://noether.math.uwaterloo.ca/%7Eafnevrau/spam-disclaimer.txt"
WATTS Christopher
Derek Baker (bak...@erols.com) wrote:
:
: > And it wasn't really a friendly suggestion. It was more like a sarcastic
: > "Try the spell command" like he was superior or something. And notice he
:
:You're reading waaay to much into that. In all of the posts that Adam has
:made in the last few months, he has NEVER criticized anyone's spelling
:ability. On the contrary, he has frequently made light of his own spelling
:problems and referred to his need for the spell command. This _was_ a
:friendly suggestion, as can be shown by the fact that Chris Watts didn't see
:the need to take Adam to task.
:Now, Adam does take formatting errors to heart, and often corrects them, much
:like many members of this newsgroup.
Good God is this thread STILL going ??
Doov
"Could blood make the difference between this and the real world?"
Alistair J. R. Young
On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:47:21 GMT, in message <EIu7E...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
afne...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Adam Nevraumont) praised Shub-Internet thus:
> In article <EIu71...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
> Adam Nevraumont <afne...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
> >Any opinions on my new, improved .sig?
> >(The disclaimer was part of my old .sig beyond the usenet 4-line-limit. . .)
>
> D`oh. Just looked at it, and spotted 2 improvements.
> How about this one:
>
> --
^
Yes! Someone remembered to include the " "!
> Adam Nevraumont
> Adam.Ne...@removethis.uwaterloo.ca
^^^^^^^^^^
That, on the other hand, is *not* an improvement. Please, if you must
insist on using this hideous, crawling, standards-defying abomination
from the Sewers of Hell... at least make it:
Adam.Ne...@uwaterloo.ca.removethis
for the sake of all our domain servers.
(And if you don't munge the address in your headers, isn't not going
to have any effect, anyway. Not that it should be done at all, for
1036 reasons.)
Alistair
--
Alistair J. R. Young Computational Thaumaturge & Son of Ether.
Arkane Systems Ltd. Sysimperator, dominus retis deusque machinarum.
e-mail: ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.arkane.demon.co.uk/
"All our systems are 100% relia
John Dilick
Yea, verily, on 30 Oct 1997 14:41:47 +0000, Alistair J. R. Young
<avatar...@arkane.demon.co.uk> proclaimed:
>On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:47:21 GMT, in message <EIu7E...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
>afne...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Adam Nevraumont) praised Shub-Internet thus:
>
>> In article <EIu71...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
>> Adam Nevraumont <afne...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >Any opinions on my new, improved .sig?
>> >(The disclaimer was part of my old .sig beyond the usenet 4-line-limit. . .)
>>
>> D`oh. Just looked at it, and spotted 2 improvements.
>> How about this one:
>>
>> --
> ^
>
>Yes! Someone remembered to include the " "!
Hmf.
I've been including the trailing space for years and nobody has been
overjoyed about it. I feel so unloved.
--
John Dilick
dili...@cris.com
Spam away, guys. I fight back with bigger guns than you do.
Ace Sanchez
Derek Baker wrote in message <3458DD...@erols.com>...
Happy now? So we all know who the loser is ....
>>
>> >Having A Nice Day,
>> >Derek
>>
>> Yeah coz your right here reading my posts and jerking off! You masochist
>> you.
>
>
>I was 90% of the way through a response when I realized, "Why Bother?"
>I'm not one of those who enjoys flaming for its own sake, so I erased it
>and wrote this. I quoted the really amusing and self-revealing section
>of his flamelet since it reminded me of the determined yapping of a
Yorkshire
>Terrier. "Go get it boy! Chase the stick!"
>Derek
Reason is, you couldn't think of anything real witty or amusing insult so
you wiped it out since you KNOW I will chew you up and spit you out in such
an intelligible mess, your pet iguana wouldn't eat it. Scaredy cat. BTW I'm
glad you found it amusing. Shows you even think of yourself as a joke ...
>
>P.S. Ace, learn to attribute. "Good Boy!"
What's with the "Good Boy" stuff? Are you trying to fantasize me into being
one? Maybe even your own personal "Good Boy"? Coz I don't do that kinda
shit. Or maybe you are getting sick of your current "Good Boy" and looking
for a new one. Stay away from me.
Ace Sanchez
P.S. I'm probably just helping you out with your masochistic perversions. Ah
what the hell. You deserve some break in your life. =)
Adam Nevraumont
In article <3458DD...@erols.com>, Derek Baker <bak...@erols.com> wrote:
>Ace Sanchez wrote:
>
>> >It was in quotes because I was struck by the irony. The fact that it is
>> the
>> >result of your parents misguided optimism makes it all the better!
>>
>> the same thing. And I wasn't really impressed by your non-existant wit the
>> first time around either. And I still say "Ace" is a way cooler name than
>> "Derek". Maybe you just dislike the whole "birth" and "parents" thing. Maybe
>> your parents tortured you as a child? Or maybe you dislike your name and so
>> dislike your parents. We'll never know ..... (Nor do I particularly care).
>>
><snip>
>
>>
>> >Having A Nice Day,
>> >Derek
>>
>> Yeah coz your right here reading my posts and jerking off! You masochist
>> you.
>
>
>I was 90% of the way through a response when I realized, "Why Bother?"
>I'm not one of those who enjoys flaming for its own sake, so I erased it
>and wrote this. I quoted the really amusing and self-revealing section
>of his flamelet since it reminded me of the determined yapping of a Yorkshire
>Terrier. "Go get it boy! Chase the stick!"
>Derek
>
ARGH! A _hole_ in my killfile. I'll have to add
/Ace Sanchez/a:j
what a cycle-sucker. . .
But, considering who Ace is, I guess it's worth it. . .
--
Adam Nevraumont
Adam.Ne...@zeno10.math.uwaterloo.ca
http://noether.math.uwaterloo.ca/%7Eafnevrau/
#include "http://noether.math.uwaterloo.ca/%7Eafnevrau/spam-disclaimer.txt"
John Dilick
On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:00:51 GMT, afne...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
(Adam Nevraumont) proclaimed to the teeming masses:
>In article <c1.2b8.2J5tQM$1...@esther.arkane.net>,
>Alistair J. R. Young <avatar...@arkane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
/* SNIP */
>>That, on the other hand, is *not* an improvement. Please, if you must
>>insist on using this hideous, crawling, standards-defying abomination
>>from the Sewers of Hell... at least make it:
>>
>>Adam.Ne...@uwaterloo.ca.removethis
>>
>>for the sake of all our domain servers.
>
>I believe the entire point is it's standards-defying, yet parseable by a
>human. Makes it harder for spam-bots, it does. If one actually
>standardized that sort of thing, it would be useless for it's purpose.
The purpose of putting the spamblock at the end rather than the beginning
is that it will reduce the load on mailservers, as there is no top-level
.removethis domain.
[ . . . ]
--
John Dilick
dili...@cris.com
Anthony Towns
afne...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Adam Nevraumont) writes:
> ARGH! A _hole_ in my killfile. I'll have to add
> /Ace Sanchez/a:j
> what a cycle-sucker. . .
Grrrr.
I wish people would stop that. How come whenever anyone posts a line
from their killfile it always ends in `aj'? It's offensive. So don't
read my posts. Fine. You don't have to go and brag about it all the
time. *sob*
And there's no need to call me a sucker, either. Sticks and stones may
break my bones but names will never hurt me. Nyah! And I don't see
what it matters whether I ride or not, but for your information Mr
Hauty-tauty, I catch the bus each day (or is that why you called me a
sucker?) So _there_.
And this from the guy who claims a civilised veneer. Ha!
Cheers,
aj, who's working on his victimisation role for the coming exam block.
--
Anthony Towns <a...@humbug.org.au> <http://student.uq.edu.au/~s343676/>
I don't speak for anyone save myself. PGP encrypted mail preferred.
``NT, Networking, Security. Pick any two (you can't have all three).''
-- _The Twelve Networking Truths_, RFC 1925, paraphrased
Adam Nevraumont
In article <345a9db1....@news.cris.com>,
Ahh, that does make sense. Dispite that, it is also probably true. :)
Alistair J. R. Young
On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:15:29 GMT, in message <3458ce35...@news.cris.com>,
dili...@cris.com (John Dilick) praised Shub-Internet thus:
> Yea, verily, on 30 Oct 1997 14:41:47 +0000, Alistair J. R. Young
> <avatar...@arkane.demon.co.uk> proclaimed:
>
> >On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:47:21 GMT, in message <EIu7E...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
> >afne...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Adam Nevraumont) praised Shub-Internet thus:
> >>
> >> --
> > ^
> >
> >Yes! Someone remembered to include the " "!
>
> Hmf.
>
> I've been including the trailing space for years and nobody has been
> overjoyed about it. I feel so unloved.
It's a bit hard to see under normal circumstances, I'm afraid.
But now that I know, I'm duly overjoyed.
Really.
Alistair
--
Alistair J. R. Young Computational Thaumaturge & Son of Ether.
Arkane Systems Ltd. Sysimperator, dominus retis deusque machinarum.
e-mail: ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.arkane.demon.co.uk/
"Let me see... that was a Prawn Goebbels, a Herman Goering, and four
Colditz salads?"
-- Basil Fawlty, "The Germans"
Adam Nevraumont
In article <c1.2b8.2J8YWf$1...@esther.arkane.net>,
Alistair J. R. Young <avatar...@arkane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:00:51 GMT, in message <EIvot...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
>> In article <c1.2b8.2J5tQM$1...@esther.arkane.net>,
>> Alistair J. R. Young <avatar...@arkane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:47:21 GMT, in message
>> ><EIu7E...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
>> >afne...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Adam Nevraumont)
>> >praised Shub-Internet thus:
>> >
>> >> --
>> > ^
>> >
>> >Yes! Someone remembered to include the " "!
>
>
It that Kzinti for something? And do I _really_ want to know. . .
>> yet parseable by a human. Makes it harder for spam-bots, it does.
>
>Harder for humans, makes it, it also. Backside, a pain it is
>in. Replies, people not likely to make, if silly buggers they have to
>play in order to send them. \\
Quota, replies fill up not.
> \\ By way, why Yoda talking like are we?
To parse, harder for humans, make it does.
>> I'll use a nospam-equivilant, by sending it to zeno10. That should
>> stand out like a sore thumb. I love having 400+ valid e-mail addresses.
>
>The -usenet in my From: has much the same effect.
Ah, useful trick. Unfortunetally, From: control have not. Around to getting
Server Linux must do.
Question, I have. Esther, named newsposter. Derivation, what is?
Understanding now, I do. Extended thanks, I have,
John Dilick
Yea, verily, on 03 Nov 1997 23:11:24 +0000, Alistair J. R. Young
<avatar...@arkane.demon.co.uk> proclaimed:
>On Sat, 01 Nov 1997 03:13:01 GMT, in message <345a9db1....@news.cris.com>,
>dili...@cris.com (John Dilick) praised Shub-Internet thus:
>
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:00:51 GMT, afne...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
>> (Adam Nevraumont) proclaimed to the teeming masses:
>>
>> The purpose of putting the spamblock at the end rather than the beginning
>> is that it will reduce the load on mailservers, as there is no top-level
>> .removethis domain.
>
>ITYM nameservers, but yes.
Argh.
Forgot to engage my damn brain before posting again, I see.
I plead insanity -- I spent the last week setting up a NT server here at
work.
--
John Dilick
dili...@cris.com
Alistair J. R. Young
On 04 Nov 1997 01:10:04 +0100, in message <err3eld...@rubank.dsv.su.se>,
Karl-Johan Noren <k-j-...@dsv.su.se> (== k-j-nore)
praised Shub-Internet thus:
> Except that there isn't a trailing space in your .sig
> deliminator, Alistair.
Um? What's this, unless some gateway's trimming trailings? ----\
|
> (Does this fall under the ObMisspelling in a correction |
> post?) |
|
It would have done, at least. |
|
Alistair |
|
-- <-----------------------------------------------------------/
Alistair J. R. Young Computational Thaumaturge & Son of Ether.
Arkane Systems Ltd. Sysimperator, dominus retis deusque machinarum.
e-mail: ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.arkane.demon.co.uk/
"So, how are things at the Campaign for Freedom of Information?"
"Sorry, I can't talk about that."
-- Sir Humphrey and Sir Arnold, "Yes, Minister"
Alistair J. R. Young
On Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:26:36 GMT, in message <3460e42c.21685773@wingate>,
John Dilick <dili...@cris.com> (== dilickjm)
praised Shub-Internet thus:
> I plead insanity -- I spent the last week setting up a NT server here at
> work.
As good a reason for insanity as any I've heard.
ObThoseBastards: NTFS is supposed to be a grown-up filesystem. It's
supposed to be even better than HPFS. HPFS lets you put a bootable
copy of the operating system anywhere on the hard drive, It does not
need a primary partition. It does not need it to be in a specific
place.
<rant>
<scream mode=primal>
SO WHY THE FORNICATING FSCK DOES NT REQUIRE A PRIMARY PARTITION WITHIN
THE BOTTOM 504MB TO BOOT FROM??? AAAAAAAAAAARRGGHHH!!!!!
</scream>
I'll tell you why. If you tell the installer that you want NT
installed on an NTFS partition, does it format one and then install?
Noooo. That would be too sensible. That would be what a real operating
system would do. Instead, it formats the partition as FAT, copies
files to it, reboots from the FAT partition, and then runs a
FAT-to-NTFS converter over it... What *halfwit* came up with this
procedure?
</rant>
Sigh.
The next thing you know, I'll find out that it formats *all* NTFS
partitions that way.
Alistair "this .sig had a space before leaving here, I've just
checked" Y
--
Alistair J. R. Young Computational Thaumaturge & Son of Ether.
Arkane Systems Ltd. Sysimperator, dominus retis deusque machinarum.
e-mail: ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.arkane.demon.co.uk/
"When a luser's not engaged in his employment (-his employment)
Or sending his felonious little spams (-little spams)
His capacity for fscking up the network (-up the network)
Is twice as great as any clueful man's. (-clueful man's)"
-- me, with apologies to Gilbert & Sullivan
David Loewe, Jr.
On 12 Nov 1997 13:44:14 +0000, Alistair J. R. Young
<avatar...@arkane.demon.co.uk> commanded the electrons to form
this message:
>On 04 Nov 1997 01:10:04 +0100, in message <err3eld...@rubank.dsv.su.se>,
>Karl-Johan Noren <k-j-...@dsv.su.se> (== k-j-nore)
>praised Shub-Internet thus:
>
>> Except that there isn't a trailing space in your .sig
>> deliminator, Alistair.
>
>Um? What's this, unless some gateway's trimming trailings? ----\
> |
>> (Does this fall under the ObMisspelling in a correction |
>> post?) |
> |
>It would have done, at least. |
> |
>Alistair |
> |
>-- <-----------------------------------------------------------/
>Alistair J. R. Young Computational Thaumaturge & Son of Ether.
>Arkane Systems Ltd. Sysimperator, dominus retis deusque machinarum.
>e-mail: ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.arkane.demon.co.uk/
>"So, how are things at the Campaign for Freedom of Information?"
> "Sorry, I can't talk about that."
> -- Sir Humphrey and Sir Arnold, "Yes, Minister"
Agent 1.5 32/451 won't auto-delete it, Alistair.
--
"There are _still_ FOUR lights!"
Jean-Luc Picard
Karl-Johan Noren
In <347fc24e...@news.inlink.com>,
dlo...@nionslpianmk.com (David Loewe, Jr.) wrote:
> Alistair J. R. Young <avatar...@arkane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Um? What's this, unless some gateway's trimming trailings? ----\
[ snip ]
> >-- <-----------------------------------------------------------/
> >Alistair J. R. Young Computational Thaumaturge & Son of Ether.
>
> Agent 1.5 32/451 won't auto-delete it, Alistair.
Of course, not, since Alistair's .sig delimiter wasn't
"-- " followed by CRLF, but rather "-- <---//--/" followed
by CRLF.
--
Karl-Johan Norén (Noren with acute e) -- k-j-...@dsv.su.se
http://www.dsv.su.se/~k-j-nore/
- To believe people are as stupid as one believes is
stupider than one can believe
Karl-Johan Noren
In <c1.2b8.2JGfY4$1...@esther.arkane.net>,
Alistair J. R. Young <avatar...@arkane.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Karl-Johan Noren <k-j-...@dsv.su.se> (== k-j-nore)
> praised Shub-Internet thus:
Did you really need to have the (== k-j-nore) thing in the
attribution line(s), given that you don't use the Supercite
thingy anymore?
> [spaces in my .sig delimiter]
> > It wasn't present in the post I _replied_ too, which has
> > message-ID <c1.2b8.2J8YRW$1...@esther.arkane.net>
>
> Odd. It seems to have here - can you tell me if this post has one by
> the time it reaches you?
Yes.