As some of you have noticed, at long last, the FAQ of Daggers
appeared at the usual
sometime last night.
It features a new organizational structure which will hopefully be
easier to navigate than the gargantuan "Section 1" and "Section 2" of
past FAQs. Thanks to Erica Sadun for suggesting it.
Big thanks to Novak, Rich, John Hamby, Steven Cooper, Karl-Johan, and
Kevin Baker for one or more of the following: i) writing a section,
ii) writing a Usenet post which explained an issue so well that I was
able to use it with little or no alteration for the relevant section,
or iii) writing a good analysis of an issue and posting it on a web
page and not being upset at me for using it.
Sa'thanks to Matthew Hunter for doing so much work to make the FAQ
web-a-riffic, and for accomodating all my demands on what it should
look like and how we should do things.
Thumbs up to Kate and Novak for doing extensive proofreading. (Trent
and Hamby also did a bit of proofreading.)
Comments and bug reports are welcome, although they may be ignored for
a while.
Anybody who made posts or sent me mail on faq-topics recently
(especially mythology stuff): don't be upset that I didn't add your
comments in. I haven't added much in the last few weeks; we've been
trying to fix navigtion bugs. I don't intend to modify the FAQ for a
while-- I need a break from it.
Whew. Now maybe I can get some science done. Or maybe I'll just go see
Star Wars again.
-pam
Thank you for all of the hard work Pam. Three cheers.
Grendul
>As some of you have noticed, at long last, the FAQ of Daggers
>appeared at the usual
>http://hugin.imat.com/jordan/
>sometime last night.
...So I suppose this means I need to update mine, now.
<Grumble>
--
John S. Novak, III j...@concentric.net
The Humblest Man on the Net
> "On Usenet, all paths are paved with FAQs." --Seanchan Saying
I'm a contributor. Ewww.
Seriously, it looks good, which of course can be translated to "it worked
nicely in lynx"
-John
--
"Enchained to a shadow of the past / He walks the paths of life
Carrying that old story like a cross / On which he will,
On which he may nail another star."
-Samael, "Moonskin"
Love it :-)
> Thanks to Erica Sadun
> [ . . . ]
> Big thanks to Novak, Rich, John Hamby, Steven Cooper,
> Karl-Johan, and Kevin Baker
> [ . . . ]
> Sa'thanks to Matthew Hunter
> [ . . . ]
> Thumbs up to Kate and Novak [ . . . snip ]
Thanks to all'a'ya'll... a truly wonderful piece of work.
RJ should commission you.
Thank you from us poor confused or forgetful froup-members. The updates
for the last book are great.
--
"A good insult is like a good knife; short, sharp, and pointed."
Marc Sanders (marc...@mindspring.com)
What I have read looked great! A fine job has been done by all...
--
Pat O'Connell
Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints,
Kill nothing but vandals...
> [the FAQ is ready]
and there was much rejoicing.)
Wow. Whoa. We're not worthy.
Sincere thanks to everyone who obviously poured
heart and soul into the FAQ Reborn. It is far and
away the single most incredible work of it's kind
anywhere on the net that I have ever seen. Thanks for
all of your work. Thanks for putting up with all of
our pestering.
And thanks for making this a much neater, cooler, and
altogether much more intelligent and interesting group
than afrj. :-)
[I was going to e-mail thanks --too often, people
never get the thanks they deserve for doing great
work-- but after seeing the contributor list
realized it would be hopeless. I sincerely hope my
first post here after long lurkerdom doesn't violate
too many parts of rasfwr-j FAQ section 3.1.5. :-) ]
Thanks again,
-Jeff
P.S. How do you control line lengths in DejaNews post?
-------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Huo | je...@starfall.nospam.com | U. Michigan Med
http://www.starfall.com/~jeff
He only earns his freedom and his life
who take them every day by storm. --Goethe's Faust
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
-TS
\begin{ThurmanThomas}
A few revisions back, I remarked that there was a lack of info tying
Tigraine to Shaiel to Janduin to Luc killing the Aiel who wouldn't kill
a Wetlander who looked so much like his wife.
I was chastised and told to write it up my own bad self and submit.
I wrote it up my own bad self and submitted.
And I'm not in the credits. <sniff> Some fly-by-night who probably
hasn't even _read_ the books gets credit for this section. <sob>
Oh, the humanity!
<rend>, <tear>
\end{ThurmanThomas}
Jim
--
jim...@swcp.com http://www.swcp.com/~jimhill/
"Linux Expo is no regular [trade]show, and in its attempts to be one it
violated a cardinal rule of techie gatherings: You simply do not obstruct
the path between a computer geek and a free t-shirt." -- Evan Leibovitch
> As some of you have noticed, at long last, the FAQ of Daggers
> appeared at the usual http://hugin.imat.com/jordan/
I read a version of that years ago, but hadn't been able to find it
again. Glad to see it.
Might I suggest a small addition to the "Biblical references" bit?
Somewhere in Revelations (don't have a copy, can't look it up), it
mentions a star coming to Earth and doing all sorts of desolation- and the
star, for no apparent reason, is called Wormwood. As in Fain's nickname?
(Sorry if someone has mentioned this already, but I can honestly say I
checked the FAQ!)
The Mad Alchemist
http://members.xoom.com/madalch
Me neither.
Of course, I didn't do anything that would get me into the credits, but I
don't see why that should be a hindrance: I think that I should be
eligible for a honorary acknowledgement for... I don't know, moral support
or something.
--
Michael Kozlowski m...@cs.wisc.edu
Recommended SF (Updated 4/16): http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~mlk/sfbooks.html
>"On Usenet, all paths are paved with FAQs." --Seanchan Saying
>As some of you have noticed, at long last, the FAQ of Daggers
>appeared at the usual
>
>http://hugin.imat.com/jordan/
>
>sometime last night.
Wa-hoo!! I've been waiting for this almost as avidly as for the next WOT
installment.
In a nutshell: it's brilliant. Packed with new stuff, and an extremely
thorough revision of the old sections (the revised Taimandred and Asmodean
sections are really well done), it's an incredible piece of work -- the
greatest WOT resource on the Net, by a mile.
>It features a new organizational structure which will hopefully be
>easier to navigate than the gargantuan "Section 1" and "Section 2" of
>past FAQs. Thanks to Erica Sadun for suggesting it.
This is a much better organisation than the previous one, which really was
starting to creak under the strain (IIRC, the "Short Answers" section went
up to about 1.54, which was a discussion of Moridin, the Watcher and the
Wanderer that took up about eight pages when printed out...).
>Big thanks to Novak, Rich, John Hamby, Steven Cooper, Karl-Johan, and
>Kevin Baker for one or more of the following: i) writing a section,
>ii) writing a Usenet post which explained an issue so well that I was
>able to use it with little or no alteration for the relevant section,
>or iii) writing a good analysis of an issue and posting it on a web
>page and not being upset at me for using it.
Honour to serve. I was hoping to make the list of contributors, but I
hardly expected to get my own section!
My vote for Best New Section goes to Rich Boye' for finally straightening
out the Vileness after the Aiel War (section 2.4.11). Taking a tangled
mass of scattered references and laying them out in such a clear,
understandable sequence requires high-quality writing.
>Sa'thanks to Matthew Hunter for doing so much work to make the FAQ
>web-a-riffic, and for accomodating all my demands on what it should
>look like and how we should do things.
The navigation works very well, and the keyword index is a great idea that
looks extremely useful. Well, apart from the "Robert Jodan" typo...
>Thumbs up to Kate and Novak for doing extensive proofreading. (Trent
>and Hamby also did a bit of proofreading.)
>
>Comments and bug reports are welcome, although they may be ignored for
>a while.
There's still a few typos remaining, but nothing important -- the only
amusing one I found is the title of section 2.4.02 as listed in the
contents pages: "Did LTT balefile himself?" I didn't even know they had
newsreaders in the AoL...
>Anybody who made posts or sent me mail on faq-topics recently
>(especially mythology stuff): don't be upset that I didn't add your
>comments in. I haven't added much in the last few weeks; we've been
>trying to fix navigtion bugs. I don't intend to modify the FAQ for a
>while-- I need a break from it.
ObWOTFan: So, when's the next release out? *runs away very fast*
>Whew. Now maybe I can get some science done. Or maybe I'll just go see
>Star Wars again.
Congratulations on a tremendous piece of work, Pam.
--
Steven Cooper | "Surprising what you can dig out of books
Melbourne, Australia. | if you read long enough, isn't it?"
saco...@ozemail.com.au | -- Rand al'Thor
[...]
> My vote for Best New Section goes to Rich Boye' for finally straightening
> out the Vileness after the Aiel War (section 2.4.11). Taking a tangled
> mass of scattered references and laying them out in such a clear,
> understandable sequence requires high-quality writing.
Awww...
Anyways, try telling that my first year legal writing professor, that
shrew.
(Steven, your check will be mailed shortly.)
--
Richard M. Boye' wa...@webspan.net
http://www.webspan.net/~waldo/ UIN:9021244
"I don't need to drink to have a good time.
I need to drink to stop the voices in my head."
> As some of you have noticed, at long last, the FAQ of Daggers
> appeared at the usual
>
> http://hugin.imat.com/jordan/
>
> sometime last night.
Great work! It ROCKS!
And it gets better at every re-reading.
Big thanks!
--
Jeroen
It was better than Cats!
Aaron
--
Aaron Bergman
<http://www.princeton.edu/~abergman/>
>Anyways, try telling that my first year legal writing professor, that
>shrew.
You too, huh?
(here I was, thinking myself alone in loathing that class)
--
Trent
It's the real thing, honest.
If you've consulted the FAQ often, try clearing your cache, then follow
the link again.
That ought to do it.
--
Maggie UIN 10248195
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1374/
"MAGGIE: In rasfwrj mythology, a minor fertility goddess and patron
goddess of Margaritas. Usually depicted as wearing a chainmail bra and
wielding a killfile." --Magnus Itland on RASFWRJ
>I click on the link. I get CoS version.
>I type in the URL. I get CoS version.
>I click madly on every link I can find. I get CoS version.
Shift-reload should do the trick, it's most likely an artifact of a
cache somewhere along the way.
Jasper
:In article <375BDCAE...@tassie.net.au>, secl...@tassie.net.au
:painted in Nutella on the kitchen wall...
:> P. Korda wrote:
:> >
:> > As some of you have noticed, at long last, the FAQ of Daggers
:> > appeared at the usual
:> >
:> > http://hugin.imat.com/jordan/
:> >
:> > sometime last night.
:>
:> Help!!!!
:>
:> I click on the link. I get CoS version.
:> I type in the URL. I get CoS version.
:> I click madly on every link I can find. I get CoS version.
:>
:> Is this all a very elaborate troll that everyone but me's in on?
:
:It's the real thing, honest.
:
:If you've consulted the FAQ often, try clearing your cache, then follow
:the link again.
:
:That ought to do it.
She's an Aussie. I know a few Aussie admins. I have more bandwidth at
home than that whole bloody continent does. Her ISP more than likely uses
a caching proxy since bandwidth is so expensive, and she'll have to wait
for it to expire the old version.
--
Jamie Bowden
ICQ: 8584757
Nothing to see here, move along.
John
Selina wrote:
>
> P. Korda wrote:
> >
> > As some of you have noticed, at long last, the FAQ of Daggers
> > appeared at the usual
> >
> > http://hugin.imat.com/jordan/
> >
> > sometime last night.
>
> Help!!!!
>
> I click on the link. I get CoS version.
> I type in the URL. I get CoS version.
> I click madly on every link I can find. I get CoS version.
>
> Is this all a very elaborate troll that everyone but me's in on?
>
Yeah, I had that problem. I just had to prss the reload button and it
worked fine
Greg
Help!!!!
I click on the link. I get CoS version.
I type in the URL. I get CoS version.
I click madly on every link I can find. I get CoS version.
Is this all a very elaborate troll that everyone but me's in on?
Help!!!!
>She's an Aussie. I know a few Aussie admins. I have more bandwidth at
>home than that whole bloody continent does. Her ISP more than likely uses
>a caching proxy since bandwidth is so expensive, and she'll have to wait
>for it to expire the old version.
I thought Shift-reload would instruct the caches, even transparent ones,
along the way to do a direct request?
Jasper
:On Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:31:37 GMT, Jamie Bowden
It may, I'm not really much into http, netscape, or the web in general,
outside of being pissed off that archie doesn't fucking work anymore.
Search engines are not an acceptable replacement.
>It may, I'm not really much into http, netscape, or the web in general,
Neither am I, but Shift-reload does tend to do better than plain reload
in nutscrape.
>outside of being pissed off that archie doesn't fucking work anymore.
>Search engines are not an acceptable replacement.
It's the size. Somehow I doubt that Archie would have scaled to todays'
amount of web/other pages any better, or even as good as, various search
engines.
Jasper
:It's the size. Somehow I doubt that Archie would have scaled to todays'
:amount of web/other pages any better, or even as good as, various search
:engines.
Archie didn't have to. It didn't give a shit about taiwanese porn when I
asked for the location of specific software. Trying to find anything of
value on a modern web search is a waste of time.
The point is that Archie just wasn't cut out to deal with the the
amount of stuff that's out there today. Everybody and their dog has
web pages (or porn sites, more likely) nowadays, and it's not going to
ever go back to how it was before.
Getting nostalgic about the days gone by, when everything was perfect
and Jordan only took a year to write the next book, won't change
anything. Though it might make Chad happy.
[ObForChad:
I hate everybody especially myself, so I will take it out on you and
everybody in the froup by using bigbig words and needlessly
complicated sentence structures.
]
That being said, you might try www.google.com as a search engine. The
results that it returns are usually an order of magnitude better than
altavista or whathaveyou.
And if you're just looking for programs, there's always
ftpsearch.lycos.com or download.com, I guess (freshmeat.net for linux
geeks, too).
HTH,
RHP
--
Richard H. Pistole - pis...@cs.utexas.edu
No matter where, humans are all connected.
-- Lain, Serial Experiments Lain.
>Trying to find anything of
>value on a modern web search is a waste of time.
Either this comment is just a nostalgic bit of reactionary atavism, or you
actually mean it. If you actually mean it, I recommend practicing with
Alta Vista until you feel ready to join the rest of us here in 1999.
> Trying to find anything of
>value on a modern web search is a waste of time.
Are you out of your mind? Reasonable application of judicious keywords and
occasional Booleans will take you far on most search engines out there.
?Peeve: I have *no* idea what this 'Archie' is...
--
Nathan Lundblad lund...@alum.calberkeley.org
>?Peeve: I have *no* idea what this 'Archie' is...
It was sort of like Veronica.
(No, really, it was. See: http://bigjohn.bmi.net/glossary.html)
-Mike K., who remembers when Gopher was king
I really liked the gopher phonebook search at gopher.tc.umn.edu. Anyone
know if something like that still exists?
>In article <7jf169$rqa$2...@zonnetje.NL.net>, Jeroen Hoekstra
><ho...@araneus.nl> wrote:
>
>>In rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan,
>>P. Korda <ko...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> As some of you have noticed, at long last, the FAQ of Daggers
>>> appeared at the usual
>>>
>>> http://hugin.imat.com/jordan/
>>>
>>> sometime last night.
>>
>>Great work! It ROCKS!
>>
>>And it gets better at every re-reading.
>
>It was better than Cats!
It was better than se..
Er.. wait. Scratch that. Nevermind.
-'-,-'-<<0 Trickster 0>>-'-,-'- lpark...@mindspring.com
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/1327
"Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be
destroyed." -Richard Adams, Watership Down
Is there a connection between Cats and rocks, that I'm unaware of?
Other than throwing? Mind you, I love cats!
> It was better than se..
Is there a connection between cats and... Wait. I see...
> Er.. wait. Scratch that. Nevermind.
Forget the "I love" part.
--
Jeroen who just got dumped this evening
"moral" support?
-michael (snipe-and-running) E
--
St michael (mainly) Erroneous http://www.erroneous.demon.co.uk/
"I made a god out of blood not superiority
I killed the king of deceit
Wake me up in anarchy" -- KMFDM, Anarchy
--
Amy Gray
UIN: 21382476
http://home.att.net/~manta_ray/
>> >Great work! It ROCKS!
>> >And it gets better at every re-reading.
>> It was better than Cats!
>At the time of reading this, I'd had a song from _Cats_ in my head all
>evening. I was amused.
Which song? One of those Odes to Jelly-filled Cats, or was the the famous song
about breasts?
--Tshen
Qodaxti Institute, 87th stratum
I can usually get more relevant matches with less effort, than I can
with AltaVista. They've also got some interesting technical stuff up
about how the thing works.
--
Michael Bruce | http://www.infinet.com/~bruce UPDATE 8-10-1998
:In article <Pine.BSF.3.96.99060...@animaniacs.chspk1.va.home.net>,
:Jamie Bowden <ja...@itribe.net> wrote:
:
:>Trying to find anything of
:>value on a modern web search is a waste of time.
:
:Either this comment is just a nostalgic bit of reactionary atavism, or you
:actually mean it. If you actually mean it, I recommend practicing with
:Alta Vista until you feel ready to join the rest of us here in 1999.
It was a bit of hyperbole, Mike. The fact still remains that the porn
vendors fill their headers with loads of non related stuff for the
specific purpose of skewing search engine results. It gets tiring. Fast.
:In article <Pine.BSF.3.96.99060...@animaniacs.chspk1.va.home.net>,
:Jamie Bowden <ja...@itribe.net> wrote:
:
:> Trying to find anything of
:>value on a modern web search is a waste of time.
:
:Are you out of your mind? Reasonable application of judicious keywords and
:occasional Booleans will take you far on most search engines out there.
:
:?Peeve: I have *no* idea what this 'Archie' is...
Archie was a collection of servers that various sites around the net kept
indices of their current ftp available files on. It was strictly a
database of what was anonymously ftp'able.
See my response to Kozlowski on my use of hyperbole in the above
statement.
>Neither, actually.
I have a gumbie cat in mind, her name is Jenny anydots...?
Good god.. I can almost recite the tracklist from memory (Memories,
then?).
I need help.
"Show to me that you're no fool, walk across my swimming pool"
I _really_ need help.
Jasper "Criminally insane" Janssen
--
Reverend Sean O'Hara
You two can be an ordained minister: http://ulc.org/ulc
"Drinking when you aren't thirsty and making love out of
season, Madame, that's all that makes us and different
from animals." --Beaumarchais "The Marriage of Figaro"
But can you distinguish between the original Deep Purple-laden soundtrack
and the movie soundtrack?
--
Scott Spiegelberg
Eastman School of Music
spi...@theory.esm.rochester.edu
Maybe I'm a crackpot theorist because I think I'm a crackpot theorist but
I'm really not.
> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Jasper Janssen wrote:
>
> :On Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:31:37 GMT, Jamie Bowden
> :<ja...@animaniacs.chspk1.va.home.net> wrote in
> :<Pine.BSF.3.96.99060...@animaniacs.chspk1.va.home.net>:
> :
> :>She's an Aussie. I know a few Aussie admins. I have more bandwidth at
> :>home than that whole bloody continent does. Her ISP more than likely uses
> :>a caching proxy since bandwidth is so expensive, and she'll have to wait
> :>for it to expire the old version.
>
Geez, I *thought* I was in the wrong country, and this proves it..
;-)
elsie.
Yeah.
My wrists still hurt from my last trip to Altavista.
Kurt Montandon
--
Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
>"Hey, Hey, J.C., why don't you smile at me?"
Mine says: "Hey J.C., J.C., won't you.." etc.
>
>But can you distinguish between the original Deep Purple-laden soundtrack
>and the movie soundtrack?
Are they sufficiently different that it would be worth paying a buck for
renting the original?
"We are lost here in this cyberworld, is there no way out..."
Jasper
> On Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:11:29 -0400, Scott Spiegelberg
> <spi...@theory.esm.rochester.edu> wrote in
> <Pine.NXT.3.96.990609220850.28409A-100000@theory>:
>
> >"Hey, Hey, J.C., why don't you smile at me?"
>
> Mine says: "Hey J.C., J.C., won't you.." etc.
> >
> >But can you distinguish between the original Deep Purple-laden soundtrack
> >and the movie soundtrack?
>
> Are they sufficiently different that it would be worth paying a buck for
> renting the original?
>
The plot and text is mostly the same, but the orchestration and
singing-styles are most decidedly different. I haven't seen the original
West End production on video, I have the soundtrack on vinyl
(ObOtherThread).