New book release (for real)
Joel Gilmore
more things.
Firstly, Robert Jordan says the next book should (yeah, right) be
finished May 2000, and published 2 months after that!!! So not long to
go!
And, I got an answer to the Rahvin/balefire/TAR question - when someone
is bfed, the constructs they make in TAR do not disappear, but instead
fade away slowly over time. There are lots of wierd effects associated
with TAR and bf, such as the way the world flickers after bf used. I
asked him just generally about it, and then he jumped straight in, gave
the answer, then used the Rand and the fish example.
I also got him to pronounce the names of the Forsaken (well, some of
them) onto tape for me. He only got a few, but get this. I said "Could
you recite the names of some of teh Forsaken?" He said "Sure, Ishamael,
Rahvin, Semirhage, who else? Moridin..."
Now, it could just be he was listing evil people, or it could be that he
was giving me a subtle clue. We can't prove it either way, but it's
more food for thought :)
Oh, and Ogier is pronounced OH-gee-ehr more or less, with the OH as in
"so" and the gee not too much.
I'm going to post the transcript as soon as I've done it (won't be till
next week). I don't think it would be right to post any of his voice,
although maybe just a couple of the Forsaken names would be ok? Any
suggestions? (post=on web page :0)
Hmmm, I think that's all. Oh, and I got a number of really cool
posters. One side has the PoD cover (full spread), the other has all
the book covers and teh WoT logo. Very cool.
Cheers,
Joel
Joel Gilmore
Joel Gilmore wrote:
Oh, and one more thing:
The Forsaken are reborn pretty much straight away when they die. "Not right
on the heels, but close."
That should make things interesting :)
Joel.
Faroohk
Alex Paradi
Joel Gilmore wrote:
>
> Joel Gilmore wrote:
>
> > And, I got an answer to the Rahvin/balefire/TAR question - when someone
> > is bfed, the constructs they make in TAR do not disappear, but instead
> > fade away slowly over time. There are lots of wierd effects associated
> > with TAR and bf, such as the way the world flickers after bf used. I
> > asked him just generally about it, and then he jumped straight in, gave
> > the answer, then used the Rand and the fish example.
> Oh, and one more thing:
> The Forsaken are reborn pretty much straight away when they die. "Not right
> on the heels, but close."
> That should make things interesting :)
I think that RJ is hinting very strongly here that Gannydidit
theories are not valid. He could have even been hinting more
stongly that it was Lanfear or Ishy. He said at one point that
POD was supposed to pretty much confirm the Who killed Asmo?
question. The two things that I felt POD spelled out were that
Cyndane is Lanfear and Moridin is Ishy.
Think of this what you will.
Alex
Ranger Fox
>The Forsaken are reborn pretty much straight away when they die. "Not right
>on the heels, but close."
>That should make things interesting :)
What do you mean? That the Dark One raises them, which would
mean that he could choose to *not* raise a Forsaken.
Or do you mean that they are *always* reborn automatically?
That would that they can never die for good.
- Ranger Fox
Steven Cooper
<drago...@mail.flashmail.com> wrote:
>Oh, and one more thing:
>The Forsaken are reborn pretty much straight away when they die. "Not right
>on the heels, but close."
>That should make things interesting :)
Interesting. That means Aginor & Balthamel were reborn shortly after they
died at the end of TEOTW and then spent about eighteen months in suspended
animation until the beginning of LOC. No wonder Osan'gar remembers the
period of his "death" with horror.
It also means Moridin (i.e. Ishamael) could have been active as early as
the beginning of TSR.
It also leaves a bit of hope for Lanfear-killed-Asmo types, who need
Lanfear to be reborn pretty much right away after dying in Finnland. This
also knocks out the theory that Lanfear/Cyndane's new body is that of
Cabriana Mecandes, since Cabriana was still herself in LOC. Damn, I was
hoping that one was true.
--
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etherman
Alex Paradi <aq...@notes.amdahl.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Joel Gilmore wrote:
> >
> > Joel Gilmore wrote:
> >
> > > And, I got an answer to the Rahvin/balefire/TAR question - when
someone
> > > is bfed, the constructs they make in TAR do not disappear, but instead
> > > fade away slowly over time. There are lots of wierd effects
associated
> > > with TAR and bf, such as the way the world flickers after bf used. I
> > > asked him just generally about it, and then he jumped straight in,
gave
> > > the answer, then used the Rand and the fish example.
>
> > The Forsaken are reborn pretty much straight away when they die. "Not
right
> > on the heels, but close."
> > That should make things interesting :)
>
> theories are not valid. He could have even been hinting more
> stongly that it was Lanfear or Ishy. He said at one point that
> POD was supposed to pretty much confirm the Who killed Asmo?
> question. The two things that I felt POD spelled out were that
> Cyndane is Lanfear and Moridin is Ishy.
>
> Think of this what you will.
Which means that Asmo wouldn't have recognized either one.
Let's face it, by the end of PoD everyone is eliminated except
Graendal and Mesaana, and Mesaana is less obvious than Graendal.
--
Etherman
The relationship between the people
and her government is much like the
relationship between the bottom and the
top, except that the people do not have
a safe word.
Me
Drew Gillmore
Joel Gilmore <drago...@mail.flashmail.com> wrote:
: And, I got an answer to the Rahvin/balefire/TAR question - when
: someone is bfed, the constructs they make in TAR do not disappear,
: but instead fade away slowly over time. There are lots of wierd
: effects associated with TAR and bf, such as the way the world
: flickers after bf used. I asked him just generally about it, and
: then he jumped straight in, gave the answer, then used the Rand
: and the fish example.
HA!
And I say again, HA!
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Steven M. Ginter
Gillmore) spake thus:
>
>Joel Gilmore <drago...@mail.flashmail.com> wrote:
>
>: And, I got an answer to the Rahvin/balefire/TAR question - when
>: someone is bfed, the constructs they make in TAR do not disappear,
>: but instead fade away slowly over time. There are lots of wierd
>: effects associated with TAR and bf, such as the way the world
>: flickers after bf used. I asked him just generally about it, and
>: then he jumped straight in, gave the answer, then used the Rand
>: and the fish example.
>
>HA!
>
>And I say again, HA!
You know, regardless of whether or not it was Graendal who killed
Asmo, I thought that the TAR fish thing was a clear indicator that
Rahvin had help, and whomever that was was most likely the killer, and
the separate cases could be made from there. It fit perfectly with
RJ's remark that the identity of the killer was "intuitively obvious."
With the definite nullification of this line of reasoning, the waters
are muddier than they ever were.
--
Steve G.
Wandering Gaidin
"One shouldn't use sex as a weapon if one isn't
comfortable with the thought of losing that weapon
to one's opponent."
-Maggie, rasfwr-j
Drew Gillmore
Steven M. Ginter <sgi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.12535a2b1...@nntp.ix.netcom.com...
: On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:27:25 -0500, d_gil...@hotmail.com (Drew
: Gillmore) spake thus:
<RJ said T'A'R' is weird and BF doesn't effect things the same>
: >HA!
: >
: >And I say again, HA!
:
: You know, regardless of whether or not it was Graendal who killed
: Asmo, I thought that the TAR fish thing was a clear indicator that
: Rahvin had help, and whomever that was was most likely the killer,
: and the separate cases could be made from there. It fit perfectly
: with RJ's remark that the identity of the killer was "intuitively
: obvious." With the definite nullification of this line of
: reasoning, the waters are muddier than they ever were.
There still isn't much doubt in my mind that Greandal did it, (and I'm
working on the whole shebang theory to put on my webpage) I just never
agreed that the fish indicated help for Rahvin. With the way things
flickered, the nature of the Unseen World and our limited knowledge of
Balefire and the World of Dreams, I couldn't take that as conclusive
evidence.
: Steve G.
: Wandering Gaidin
Eh?
What happened to Emily?
jha...@cub.kcnet.org
saco...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:27:55 +1000, Joel Gilmore
> <drago...@mail.flashmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Oh, and one more thing:
> >The Forsaken are reborn pretty much straight away when they die.
> >"Not right on the heels, but close."
> >That should make things interesting :)
>
> Interesting. That means Aginor & Balthamel were reborn shortly after
> they died at the end of TEOTW and then spent about eighteen months in
> suspended animation until the beginning of LOC. No wonder Osan'gar
> remembers the period of his "death" with horror.
Does it really mean this? Or was RJ indicating that there is not
set limit on the time it takes?
It does suggest that the use of a vacuole in the case of the two
*gars imo. But I have trouble with the idea that two resurrected
Forsaken were on ice for the time between the deaths at the Eye and
the LOC prologue. I would like a more definitive answer from RJ
(such as 'Osan'gar and Aran'gar were brought back on this many days
after they died' And so on for Moridin and Cyndane[1])
> It also means Moridin (i.e. Ishamael) could have been active as early
> as the beginning of TSR.
>
Yes it does. But until proof is otherwise offered beyond this statement
of 'almost straight away' (define almost - a day a week a month, I will
not abandon any theory based on the actual showing in the books of
activity that can be logically assigned to either Moridin or Cyndane[1].
> It also leaves a bit of hope for Lanfear-killed-Asmo types, who need
> Lanfear to be reborn pretty much right away after dying in Finnland.
No imo it does not. With all due respect the statement about the clues
being prior to LOC eliminates any resurrected Forsaken as up till the
prologue in LOC _nothing_ suggests that the DO can bring the dead back.
Yes there is the Lord of the Grave thing, but no proof or even
suggestion that this ability is actually true.
> This also knocks out the theory that Lanfear/Cyndane's new body is
> that of Cabriana Mecandes, since Cabriana was still herself in LOC.
> Damn, I was hoping that one was true.
>
No it does not (and I am not just saying this due to it being a pet
theory of mine!). Considering that the two *gars don't show up for 18
months (about -- I trust your tally); the mere weeks between Lanfear
falling into finnland and Semirhage's encounter with Cabriana (it is
weeks isn't it?) certainly allow for it to be her body imo.
Besides your abandoning this theory is not only based on a vague
reference 'almost' but also assumes that Lanfear died immediately upon
entry or there abouts and that time passes at the same rate within
finnland.
So I m sticking with Moridin not showing up until possibly LOC and
Lanfear in ACOS orat least toward the end of LOC.
[1] the assumption being of course that Moridin is Ishamael resurrected
and Lanfear is Cyndane resurrected.
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>Steven M. Ginter <sgi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>: Wandering Gaidin
>
>Eh?
>
>What happened to Emily?
I haven't heard from her for many moons, and it's been longer than
that since she posted here. It's kind of pointless being sworn to
someone that you never see or hear from (kind of like being bonded to
a ghost, actually), so I found a way to sever the Bond myself using
Epsom Salt and an Xacto knife.
--
Steve G.
Wandering Gaidin
"They will pay," Lews Therin growled. "I am the Lord of the Morning."