Signing Answers
Erica L. Sadun
9 October Signing at Perimeter Media Play, Dunwoody, GA.
Upcoming News?
he will be GoH at the BYU Convention: "Life, Universe & Everything"
Tell us about the blight:
Blight: you can not enter it from TAR because it is apart from
NORMAL UNIVERSE and can not be touched. The Blight is not part of
the normal universe.
Have any Aes Sedai ever been refused admittance to any Ajah?
No. (see below)
What do members of the White Ajah actually do on a day-to-day basis?
Think. Study philosphy.
What are the actual requirements for being raised to the shawl?
RAFO
Who was the one who is no more? The innkeeper or the guy on the barrel?
<an amused look> RAFO
Is the innkeeper an ex-Aes Sedai?
<an even more amused look> RAFO
Once and for all end the ageless look thing. Is it obvious that it is
tied to the oath rod?
RAFO
Who killed Asmodean? (Right. Like he'll tell us). Anyway ask if the
clues to figure it out are all included <= TFOH
RAFO. All clues are included up to TFOH.
Will Gawyn get a brain transplant?
<evil look> (laugh)
Was Else always Lanfear?
No. Else did exist as a separate human but was played by Lanfear
after Else was expelled.
New dreadlords? Via TP? What are limits of TP? When did we see it
used before?
Access to the TP is a matter of wanting it and the dark one
letting you. NOT black cords. In Prologue to EotW we saw
TP to heal insanity. The OP can not be used to heal insanity.
TP used at SG will fry you instantly.
How dangerous and how ambitious is Faile?
Exceedingly dangerous, not particularly ambitious. Perin is due
his due as lord of the two rivers. She has been raised as a noble
with noblesse oblige. Perrin has been pushed into lording and she
doesn't like him ducking out of what she sees as his obligations.
She doesn't understand why he doesn't understand this in his blood
like she does in hers.
Is "Ogier" from to sing Ogier?
No. Its to sound like Ogre but not be exactly the same. Name of
family in charleston.
Ask what the deal is with Nyn being able to hold half the power
as ten sisters with a sa'angreal but not being able to handle two
pussy little BA by herself.
Some people have shielding talents.
Ask how it was that Moggy got to SG intstantly...was it the DO
using his twisty powers or was it a function of being all a dream.
It was a dream. Moggy, by the way, used to be an investments
counciler until the FTC got on her case.
Ask about the three white black aes sedai in Liandrin's group when
there should only be two.
Joiya Byir (killed at Tear)
Rianna Andormeran
Falion Bhoda
Complete surprise. Really? Mutter mutter. Have to check that out.
And for fun ask whether Ogier can be friends of the dark
<strange look> RAFO.
Could a 2nd person have "needed" the bowl and found it?
Maybe. Didn't think of it.
Could they have "needed" the box enclosing the bowl?
Probably not. They wouldn't be able to convince themselves to need it.
What happens when two people balefire each other simultaneously?
<disgusted look> A lot of confusion.
Ask about the Blight. If it is not reflected in T'A'R, why does the
GLotD have so much power over T'A'R, the Wheel and reincarnation?
see above.
Also, what was going on in Aelfland when Mat went round and round
and round the same location? Were they travelling in time?
not travelling in time. the physical laws of nature differ.
Mentioning the DO here is bad luck. In Aelfland, it is
*REALLY* bad. You can not go to Aelfland in TAR (similar to
stedding).
How do you get your ideas?
I opened the closet one day and found three young women, diaphonously
clad who had made themselves at home. They had hung up needle point
embroidery and otherwise furnished the closet. I had a discipline
stick available and beat them. Now, every day, they hand me a
list of ten ideas.
Have you been arrested for muse abuse?
They refuse to testify.
Tell us about those seafolk rituals during the wedding...
How old are you?
Over the age of consent.
You're too young!
Are the Aiel already a Remnant?
<smile> RAFO.
Why doesn't Egwene just "travel" her troops to Tar Valon?
She needs the time to be in control. Otherwise she'd
just be a puppet to others needs.
When Birgitte says she remembers a tale of a female
Warder after being bonded to Elayne, does she remember
herself?
RAFO
You might also want to ask him about the sexual preferences
of Galina, Bain and Chiad. :-)
<chuckle> RAFO.
This is similar to Greeb's question, but from a slightly different
angle: How much stronger do you have to be to forcibly shield someone
else who is already holding the OP? Is it different for men than for
women, or for heterosexual shielding? If the answer is only a little
stronger, then ask him how come Ny couldn't shield Elayne in aCoS,
Chapter 21 (Swovan Night)? Also, how much weaker can you be and still
be able to hold a shield on someone, Berowin excepted?
He did not use a "real scale" for OP stuff. You just have to
be stronger. Mostly handwaving. consider the kin. The woman
who is very weak but has a real talent for shielding.
"Are shocklances guns, or an energy discharge weapon?"
energy discharge weapons.
"Do you have a name for book 8 yet, if so what?" [Don't know if this has
already been answered]
no.
"Is channeling ability strictly, or partly geneticaly based?"
partially. Worked it a bit with some friends but just left
it mostly hanging.
"Have we seen Osan'gar anywhere else since his first appearance?" (No doubt
a RAFO)
RAFO.
"Can weaves be inverted in a way that prevents them being detected even
while they are being woven, ie so you could draw and weave with Saidin, and
noone would detect it, or can the weaves only be hidden after they have
been tied off?"
no answer. Stupid woman and "how do you get your ideas" question.
Is Thom Elayne and Gawyn's real father?
no. absolutely no. no question about it. no. no. no. Thom is exactly
who he says he is.
How many crescent moons are on Mat's funky new ring?
you guess.
Is Dashiva Osan'gar?
RAFO
Why doesn't somebody just BF the DO?
the quantity necessary would destroy the world.
What are those black threads on the male Forsaken?
RAFO
Can an Accepted be raised to AS and not choose an Ajah? What
happens if they are raised ask for acceptance and are refused.
This never happens. They are chosen in advance and vetted.
What are the requirements for being raised from accepted to AS
Ability to channel under extreme stress.
How are the Ajah's funded?
Too complex to answer. Join funding and contributions
from ajahs to full tower.
Is Moiraine's E&E network independent of the Blue or does it
overlap. How do they report - i.e. does Moraine have someone who
collects messages for her?
all E&E networks overlap a little, but hers was pretty
independent.
Do all Darkfriends have the equivalent of the black threads seen in
Tel'aran'rhiod attached to Ishy and Asmodean. (I have a theory that
Fades may use these threads to travel on, you could ask about that)
no.
fades: travel where light and darkness meet. (handwaving).
What age # was the age of legends.
the age before the third age. The breaking of the world brought
on the third age. The trolloc and hundred years wars were only
punctuations in local history.
Info re: Ajahs?
In the illustrated guide will be information revealed about how they
came about that affects the books not at all.
Can you use the TP in the Stedding?
ye....er...RAFO. You must be a stone cold fanatic to *want*
to use the TP. Moggy is terrified of it. Avoids it.
If TP were used on you, would there be negative effects wrt the DO?
RAFO. of course, if you die, the answer is obvious.
What is Fain?
Mordeth + person. Mordeth is a human-made evil. The black wind
gets along with Mordeth because of professional courtesy.
Fain is anti-forsaken as well as anti-Rand. He has a lot
of skills and abilities outside of channelling. He can not channel.
Is this the "Another Power"?
<laugh> I don't know.
If you die, will Piers Anthony finish the series?
No. No one will finish the series. The hard disks will
be reformatted 4x in successions.
Ty Margheim
In article <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>, Erica L. Sadun says something funny...
>
>
>9 October Signing at Perimeter Media Play, Dunwoody, GA.
>"Are shocklances guns, or an energy discharge weapon?"
> energy discharge weapons.
Yesssssssssss. I was right.
Ty
Flavio J. Carrillo
In <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu> er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L.
Sadun) writes:
>Who killed Asmodean? (Right. Like he'll tell us). Anyway ask if the
>clues to figure it out are all included <= TFOH
>
> RAFO. All clues are included up to TFOH.
It was the butler.
Really, Jordan should stick to fantasy, because his idea of a solvable
mystery would stump Agatha Christie.
>New dreadlords? Via TP? What are limits of TP? When did we see it
>used before?
>
> Access to the TP is a matter of wanting it and the dark one
> letting you. NOT black cords. In Prologue to EotW we saw
> TP to heal insanity. The OP can not be used to heal insanity.
> TP used at SG will fry you instantly.
Now _that_ is _most_ interesting.
Moridin need not necessarily be Ishy or any other Forsaken. Doesn't
even need to be a channeler.
>Ask how it was that Moggy got to SG intstantly...was it the DO
>using his twisty powers or was it a function of being all a dream.
>
> It was a dream. Moggy, by the way, used to be an investments
> counciler until the FTC got on her case.
Insider trading, no doubt. I always thought Ivan Boesky was the Dark
One's disciple...
>And for fun ask whether Ogier can be friends of the dark
>
> <strange look> RAFO.
Hmmm...
>Are the Aiel already a Remnant?
>
> <smile> RAFO.
Well on the way; I continue to believe that the remanant of the remnant
business is more of a matter of cultural than physical destruction. Not
that I'll cry a river over the passing of Aiel culture.
>"Are shocklances guns, or an energy discharge weapon?"
> energy discharge weapons.
I am vindicated. And much relieved that they aren't melee weapons.
Dammit, there should've been some follow up questions here as to the
principles involved, and maybe something on the Great AoL Technology
Debate.
If he steps foot in Illinois, I'm determined to get answers on this.
>"Is channeling ability strictly, or partly geneticaly based?"
>
> partially. Worked it a bit with some friends but just left
> it mostly hanging.
About what I suspected; a good deal of authorial arbitrariness.
>How many crescent moons are on Mat's funky new ring?
>
> you guess.
I think we have.
>Is Dashiva Osan'gar?
>
> RAFO
Grumble. No point in asking about Taimandred, either.
I still think they are both who they are.
>Can you use the TP in the Stedding?
>
> ye....er...RAFO. You must be a stone cold fanatic to *want*
> to use the TP. Moggy is terrified of it. Avoids it.
An almost yes converted to a RAFO? Intriguing. And interesting in light
of the possibility of Ogier DF.
>If TP were used on you, would there be negative effects wrt the DO?
>
> RAFO. of course, if you die, the answer is obvious.
Any volunteers?
Flavio Carrillo
Erica L. Sadun
Also:
"We've seen the steel/iron dagger used once in Aelfland. And then
mat was courageous. When will we see music and the matches?"
people read too much into patterns. One guy told me that there
were going to be seven books because of the seven spokes on the
wheel of time.
-- Erica
Aaron Bergman
In article <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>, er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L.
Sadun) wrote:
:Tell us about the blight:
:
: Blight: you can not enter it from TAR because it is apart from
: NORMAL UNIVERSE and can not be touched. The Blight is not part of
: the normal universe.
D'u'b'wha?!?
Aaron (waiting for someone else to corroborate Erica--not that that will help)
--
Aaron Bergman -- aber...@minerva.cis.yale.edu
<http://pantheon.yale.edu/~abergman/>
Smoke a cigarette. Slit your throat. Same concept.
Chad R Orzel
In article <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>,
Erica L. Sadun <er...@cc.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
>9 October Signing at Perimeter Media Play, Dunwoody, GA.
>
>
> Blight: you can not enter it from TAR because it is apart from
> NORMAL UNIVERSE and can not be touched. The Blight is not part of
> the normal universe.
That's... interesting.
>What happens when two people balefire each other simultaneously?
>
> <disgusted look> A lot of confusion.
Thank you.
I would've hoped for a Shatneresque "Get a life" speech, but a simple
disgusted look will do.
>How do you get your ideas?
>
> I opened the closet one day and found three young women, diaphonously
> clad who had made themselves at home. They had hung up needle point
> embroidery and otherwise furnished the closet. I had a discipline
> stick available and beat them. Now, every day, they hand me a
> list of ten ideas.
Which is about as good a response to _that_ idiotic question as I've
seen...
>"Are shocklances guns, or an energy discharge weapon?"
> energy discharge weapons.
Thank you again.
>Is Thom Elayne and Gawyn's real father?
>
> no. absolutely no. no question about it. no. no. no. Thom is exactly
> who he says he is.
And one more time...
Finally, we can put some of these threads to rest...
Later,
OilCan
("I was so pleased to be informed of this that I ran twenty red lights in
his honor. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Lord...")
Ben Skott
From the Georgia Tech bookstore, Oct. 9th
Absolutely nothing was talked about having to do with the series while I
was there. Typical Georgia Tech shyness, I guess. Or maybe everyone was
in a situation like mine. I had to get 'em signed and get to my
fraternity to help with rush as fast as I could. I thanked RJ for signing
my books and for writing a great series and that was that.
--
Benjamin D. Skott
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
Internet: gt6...@prism.gatech.edu
Ofer Nave
er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L. Sadun) wrote:
>Also:
>-- Erica
Actually... I think that however many books Jordan writed for Wheel of
Time, say 10, makes up the transition into the fourth age, and that he
could write a 10 book set for the transition into each age, which
would give the complete recycling history of Randland in a 70-book
set. Of course, at the rate of 14 months per book, he'd have to live
to something like 120 years old to complete it.
Now, if he cleansed saidin, and worked with the power long enough, he
could theoretically extend his life span.... :)
Dave Ricketts
In article <53h2qj$q...@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, flav...@ix.netcom.com(Flavio J. Carrillo ) says:
>>New dreadlords? Via TP? What are limits of TP? When did we see it
>>used before?
>> Access to the TP is a matter of wanting it and the dark one
>> letting you. NOT black cords. In Prologue to EotW we saw
>> TP to heal insanity. The OP can not be used to heal insanity.
>> TP used at SG will fry you instantly.
>Now _that_ is _most_ interesting.
>Moridin need not necessarily be Ishy or any other Forsaken. Doesn't
>even need to be a channeler.
Why do you say this? RJ could have assumed we take channeling ability in
this matter for granted. I think what he was trying to say was that TP
use is not necesarily limited to FS who have the black cords, but available
to anyone upon whom the DO decides to bestow it (this would be a specific
response to the question, which would seem to make sense). What exactly
are those cords? Is there any reason to believe that they are anything
more than the male Forsakens' protection from the taint. (I don't
remember reading this in the FAQ, but if it's there, please, feel free to
put me in my place).
Dave
Paul Raj Khangure
In an Age long past, an Age yet to come, Erica L. Sadun wrote:
: And for fun ask whether Ogier can be friends of the dark
:
: <strange look> RAFO.
Now that's interesting...
: What happens when two people balefire each other simultaneously?
:
: <disgusted look> A lot of confusion.
Was that Q from Timmy?
: "Can weaves be inverted in a way that prevents them being detected even
: while they are being woven, ie so you could draw and weave with Saidin, and
: noone would detect it, or can the weaves only be hidden after they have
: been tied off?"
:
: no answer. Stupid woman and "how do you get your ideas" question.
Hey. That was one of my questions. Hmph.
: Can you use the TP in the Stedding?
:
: ye....er...RAFO. You must be a stone cold fanatic to *want*
: to use the TP. Moggy is terrified of it. Avoids it.
That was an interesting slip. And a good attempt at a redirection afterwards.
Next we'll have an Ogier wielding the TP in a Stedding.
Paul "Moridin" Khangure
--
If you aren't living on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
It is unsporting to engage in a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent.
p...@iinet.net.au http://www.iinet.net.au/~prk
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Paul Raj Khangure
In an Age long past, an Age yet to come, Flavio J. Carrillo wrote:
: In <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu> er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L.
: Sadun) writes:
: > Access to the TP is a matter of wanting it and the dark one
: > letting you. NOT black cords. In Prologue to EotW we saw
: > TP to heal insanity. The OP can not be used to heal insanity.
: > TP used at SG will fry you instantly.
:
: Now _that_ is _most_ interesting.
:
: Moridin need not necessarily be Ishy or any other Forsaken. Doesn't
: even need to be a channeler.
I'd question that.
Moridin senses Sammael and Graendal, so I'd say he can definately channel.
If the chance comes up again, it may be worth asking if you have to be able
to channel before being able to use the TP.
Bonehead
In article <abergman-091...@net160-100.student.yale.edu>,
aber...@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Aaron Bergman) wrote:
}In article <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>, er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L.
}Sadun) wrote:
}
}:Tell us about the blight:
}:
}: Blight: you can not enter it from TAR because it is apart from
}: NORMAL UNIVERSE and can not be touched. The Blight is not part of
}: the normal universe.
}
}D'u'b'wha?!?
It's like Ohio.
HTH
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Bonehead
In article <53h28v$f...@news.tamu.edu>, tlm...@tam2000.tamu.edu (Ty
Margheim) wrote:
}In article <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>, Erica L. Sadun says
something funny...
}>"Are shocklances guns, or an energy discharge weapon?"
}> energy discharge weapons.
}
}Yesssssssssss. I was right.
I think it's awful RJ would lie to his fans like this.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Oystein H. Lund
Paul Raj Khangure (p...@opera.iinet.net.au) wrote:
: : Can you use the TP in the Stedding?
: :
: : ye....er...RAFO. You must be a stone cold fanatic to *want*
: : to use the TP. Moggy is terrified of it. Avoids it.
: That was an interesting slip. And a good attempt at a redirection afterwards.
: Next we'll have an Ogier wielding the TP in a Stedding.
No, but we might have *VERIN* wielding the TP to peek at the
soul-deprived Ogier ? Although that would be danged odd, all things
considered....
--
_______________________________________________________________________
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| - Forget the questions, someone gimme another beer. |
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Karl-Johan Noren
In article <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>
er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L. Sadun) writes:
> Who killed Asmodean? (Right. Like he'll tell us). Anyway ask if the
> clues to figure it out are all included <= TFOH
>
> RAFO. All clues are included up to TFOH.
*raises eye-brows up to the hairline*
Right. Now we are to deduce who killed Asmodean _before_ the
actual event.
> What happens when two people balefire each other simultaneously?
>
> <disgusted look> A lot of confusion.
Aaahhh. Now I hope we have an end to _that_ discussion.
> Tell us about those seafolk rituals during the wedding...
>
> How old are you?
>
> Over the age of consent.
>
> You're too young!
Hmmmm... we'll have to have someone older than Nynaeve to
ask that :-)
> Why doesn't Egwene just "travel" her troops to Tar Valon?
>
> She needs the time to be in control. Otherwise she'd
> just be a puppet to others needs.
Good.
> When Birgitte says she remembers a tale of a female
> Warder after being bonded to Elayne, does she remember
> herself?
>
> RAFO
*grumble grumble*
Like events seven Ages ago would be significant for the
books...
And did you miss my question about the Myrddraals?
> How many crescent moons are on Mat's funky new ring?
>
> you guess.
Nine, of course :-)
--
Karl-Johan Norén (Noren with acute e) -- k-j-...@dsv.su.se
http://www.dsv.su.se/~k-j-nore/
- To believe people are as stupid as one believes is
stupider than one can believe
People Covered In Fish
On 10 Oct 1996, Paul Raj Khangure wrote:
> In an Age long past, an Age yet to come, Flavio J. Carrillo wrote:
[munch Jordan's comments on the TP]
> :
> : Now _that_ is _most_ interesting.
> :
> : Moridin need not necessarily be Ishy or any other Forsaken. Doesn't
> : even need to be a channeler.
<shrug> I've never doubted for a moment that he's NOT Ishamael. He just
doesn't have the mannerisms or the slightly less than sane quality that
Ishy always possessed... not to mention that it should be obvious to all
that Ishamael was reborn as Shaidar Haran. <grin> And the only Forsaken
that leaves would be Asmodean... who Moridin can't be, seeing as how he
has Asmo's mindtrap securely cinched to his belt.
Beidomon's an interesting possibility, but pure speculation, since we
really know next to nothing about who Beidomon was.
Whoever Moridin may be, though, he's not a Forsaken. He probably
_would_ have been, had Jordan had any left to reincarnate; since RJ
didn't, though, and he needed someone to hold onto the mindtraps, he
coined this "Death" character as yet another addition to the "Villain
Overkill" file.
Question: why didn't one of the original Forsaken merit the nickname of
"Death"? It seems a bit more obvious to me than "Destroyer of Hope".
> I'd question that.
[the idea that non-channelers can channel the TP]
As would I. Mainly because it opens up far too many plot holes, and
because Moghedien seems to assume that Moridin is a channeler because he
can use the TP. But it is possible, I suppose, and I wouldn't rule the
idea out.
Joel
"It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye. Then it's just a
game called Find The Eye."
Mark Hazen
First many thanks to Erica for putting a mega number of questions to RJ
and for recording the answers! The ones that follow originated mostly
from me.
In article <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>
er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L. Sadun) writes:
> Have any Aes Sedai ever been refused admittance to any Ajah?
> No. (see below)
>What do members of the White Ajah actually do on a day-to-day basis?
> Think. Study philosphy.
I find this puzzling - now we know that the Ajah's are of differing
sizes (at least I think that we do) but to have an entire Ajah
dedicated to the study of philosophy seems quite strange (unless this
shows Ishys influence since he was a philosopher), but no Ajah
dedicated to the arts, or to engineering (browns come close but not
quite)
> What are the actual requirements for being raised to the shawl?
> RAFO
Note that by rephrasing the question we actually got part of an
answer<grin>
>
> 9 October Signing at Perimeter Media Play, Dunwoody, GA.
>
> Can an Accepted be raised to AS and not choose an Ajah? What
> happens if they are raised ask for acceptance and are refused.
>
> This never happens. They are chosen in advance and vetted.
This corresponds to what we figured the practice was but see the next
question and answer ...
>
> What are the requirements for being raised from accepted to AS
>
> Ability to channel under extreme stress.
So all you need officially is to be able to channel under extreme
stress and you can be raised! But, you unofficially also have to be
acceptable to at least one Ajah or you will not make it. I bet that
there are a fair number of Kin who could do the channeling thing but
were seen as being too flighty or not having the right AS attitude.
>
> How are the Ajah's funded?
>
> Too complex to answer. Join funding and contributions
> from ajahs to full tower.
This is interesting as it seems to imply that a major portion of income
comes from the Ajahs and not directly to the tower. This would give
the Ajah's a lot more power than any particular constitution - the
power of the purse! Note, I am not saying that the Tower does not have
resources too, but that if significant resources are owned by an Ajah
and contributed to the tower an unpopular AmSeat could find herself
strapped for cash, if contributions are withheld (kind of like the UN).
This is very different from the case where the Tower owns the
resources and distributes them as grants to the Ajahs. The first is
more like a Co-op and the second like a government and its departments.
>
> >
> Info re: Ajahs?
>
> In the illustrated guide will be information revealed about how they
> came about that affects the books not at all.
>
So bring on the illustrated guide. Anyone heard of a date for this,
lately?
Erica L. Sadun
In article <53hs56$j...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
<djric...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
:In article <53h2qj$q...@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, flav...@ix.netcom.com(Flavio J. Carrillo ) says:
:
:>>New dreadlords? Via TP? What are limits of TP? When did we see it
:>>used before?
:
:>> Access to the TP is a matter of wanting it and the dark one
:>> letting you. NOT black cords. In Prologue to EotW we saw
:>> TP to heal insanity. The OP can not be used to heal insanity.
:>> TP used at SG will fry you instantly.
:>Now _that_ is _most_ interesting.
:
:>Moridin need not necessarily be Ishy or any other Forsaken. Doesn't
:>even need to be a channeler.
:Why do you say this? RJ could have assumed we take channeling ability in
:this matter for granted. I think what he was trying to say was that TP
:use is not necesarily limited to FS who have the black cords, but available
:to anyone upon whom the DO decides to bestow it (this would be a specific
:response to the question, which would seem to make sense). What exactly
:are those cords? Is there any reason to believe that they are anything
:more than the male Forsakens' protection from the taint. (I don't
:remember reading this in the FAQ, but if it's there, please, feel free to
:put me in my place).
RJ said specifically:
* no channeling necessary to become dreadlord
* TP independent of OP
-- Erica
p.s. we are still in the dark about the black cords. (minipun int.)
Erica L. Sadun
In article <53i0pe$6...@opera.iinet.net.au>,
Paul Raj Khangure <p...@opera.iinet.net.au> wrote:
:In an Age long past, an Age yet to come, Erica L. Sadun wrote:
:
:
:: And for fun ask whether Ogier can be friends of the dark
::
:: <strange look> RAFO.
:
:Now that's interesting...
:
:: What happens when two people balefire each other simultaneously?
::
:: <disgusted look> A lot of confusion.
:Was that Q from Timmy?
:
:
:: "Can weaves be inverted in a way that prevents them being detected even
:: while they are being woven, ie so you could draw and weave with Saidin, and
:: noone would detect it, or can the weaves only be hidden after they have
:: been tied off?"
::
:: no answer. Stupid woman and "how do you get your ideas" question.
:Hey. That was one of my questions. Hmph.
I meant tht before he answered a stupid woman chimed in with "oh mr
jordan how ever do you get your ideas"
-- Erica
Erica L. Sadun
In article <53h2ar$h...@rac7.wam.umd.edu>,
Chad R Orzel <oil...@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
:>What happens when two people balefire each other simultaneously?
:>
:> <disgusted look> A lot of confusion.
:Thank you.
:I would've hoped for a Shatneresque "Get a life" speech, but a simple
:disgusted look will do.
Speaking of which, you wouldn't *believe* the inscription I got in
my TGH. I have not the courage to post it here but will consider
emailing it if asked politely.
-- Erica
Malka Susswein
On 9 Oct 1996, Erica L. Sadun wrote:
>
> What are the actual requirements for being raised to the shawl?
>
> RAFO
What's RAFO?
Malka.
Erica L. Sadun
In article <Pine.A32.3.93-heb-2.07.9...@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il>,
Malka Susswein <mal...@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il> wrote:
:On 9 Oct 1996, Erica L. Sadun wrote:
:>
:> What are the actual requirements for being raised to the shawl?
:>
:> RAFO
:
:What's RAFO?
Read and Find Out.
Shalom. -- Erica
Mike Murphy
In article <53itba$g...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>, er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L.
Sadun) wrote:
> RJ said specifically:
>
> * no channeling necessary to become dreadlord
Well, then. Isn't that fascinating.
-Mike "will be petty regarding old arguments for kicks" Murphy
Flavio J. Carrillo
In <53ivll$h...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu> er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L.
Sadun) writes:
>Speaking of which, you wouldn't *believe* the inscription I got in
>my TGH. I have not the courage to post it here but will consider
>emailing it if asked politely.
>
>-- Erica
An inscription you (of all people) haven't the courage to post
publicly? Oh, my.
Consider me intrigued; let the e-mail fly. ;)
Flavio Carrillo
Bonehead
In article <mmurphy3-101...@news.swarthmore.edu>,
mmur...@swarthmore.edu (Mike Murphy) wrote:
}In article <53itba$g...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>, er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L.
}Sadun) wrote:
}
}> RJ said specifically:
}>
}> * no channeling necessary to become dreadlord
}
}Well, then. Isn't that fascinating.
Fascination? No.
Stupid? Yes.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Michael Hannemann
In article <53hfev$d...@uni.library.ucla.edu>, Ofer Nave <on...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>
>Now, if he cleansed saidin, and worked with the power long enough, he
>could theoretically extend his life span.... :)
>
Yeah, but he'd be spending all of his time working with the Power so that
he could live that long in the first place. Someone loses, somewhere.
Michael
Bonehead
}RJ said specifically:
}
} * no channeling necessary to become dreadlord
} * TP independent of OP
From this one of the following is true:
1) The Dreadlords in the Trolloc Wars were _not_ using the TP.
2) They were, and this was a major policy change from the AOL, where only
29 people were granted its use. This would be incredibly stupid.
3) Jordan said this w/o considering the consequences.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Bonehead
In article <53h2ar$h...@rac7.wam.umd.edu>, oil...@wam.umd.edu (Chad R
Orzel) wrote:
}Finally, we can put some of these threads to rest...
Uh, Chad? It's a signing report from Erica. By definition it cannot be
used to prove anything.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Karl-Johan Noren
In article <Pine.A32.3.93-heb-2.07.9...@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il> Malka Susswein <mal...@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il> writes:
> On 9 Oct 1996, Erica L. Sadun wrote:
>
> > What are the actual requirements for being raised to the shawl?
> >
> > RAFO
>
> What's RAFO?
Read And Find Out. RJ's standardised answer to questions he
can't or won't answer.
Jay Pasquantonio
Flavio J. Carrillo wrote:
(sa'munch)
>
> >Can you use the TP in the Stedding?
> >
> > ye....er...RAFO. You must be a stone cold fanatic to *want*
> > to use the TP. Moggy is terrified of it. Avoids it.
>
> An almost yes converted to a RAFO? Intriguing. And interesting in light
> of the possibility of Ogier DF.
I didn't get ES's request fr questions until after-the-fact, but I've
been wondering if Ogier can channel at all. There seems to be no
precedent for this. If they stay in a stedding, even if they had the
spark, they might never know it.
Jay Pasquantonio
(Ogier stonemasons? Treesongs? Arrgh!)
Eric Vallender
Jay Pasquantonio wrote:
> I didn't get ES's request fr questions until after-the-fact, but I've
> been wondering if Ogier can channel at all. There seems to be no
> precedent for this. If they stay in a stedding, even if they had the
> spark, they might never know it.
>
> Jay Pasquantonio
> (Ogier stonemasons? Treesongs? Arrgh!)
I know that I am a newbie (after the whole RockGoddes thing I am
hesitant to say that), but... I did post a shitty Loony Erith Theory
that had her channelling a while back. I didn't get any responses. I
figured that it was because 1) I am a newbie and thus have not gotten a
response from any regular yet and 2) Because the post was long, shittily
written, and didn't really hit home. Anyway I just want to say that I
think this would be cool, and it would make the whole Erith thing a lot
more interesting. Besides it seems that its either that or she's a DF
(from the signing answers only, no real evidence).
Anyway,
Eric Vallender
Karl-Johan Noren
In article <325D63...@students.uiuc.edu>
Eric Vallender <vall...@students.uiuc.edu> writes:
> I know that I am a newbie (after the whole RockGoddes thing I am
> hesitant to say that), but... I did post a shitty Loony Erith Theory
> that had her channelling a while back. I didn't get any responses. I
> figured that it was because 1) I am a newbie and thus have not gotten a
> response from any regular yet and 2) Because the post was long, shittily
> written, and didn't really hit home. Anyway I just want to say that I
> think this would be cool, and it would make the whole Erith thing a lot
> more interesting. Besides it seems that its either that or she's a DF
> (from the signing answers only, no real evidence).
Or simply because no one found your post interesting to
them.
Getting answers is not a function of being an oldbie/newbie
etc. It helps in getting people to _read_ your posts, but
not in responding (exception: it's more common that oldbies
like Novak or Erica is poked at when they make minor
mistakes).
My hunch (no statistical analysis here), only half or less
of my posts get replies, and I thinks that pretty typical
all over the line for most oldbies.
Erica L. Sadun
In article <dylan-10109...@news.tamu.edu>,
Bonehead <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote:
:In article <mmurphy3-101...@news.swarthmore.edu>,
:mmur...@swarthmore.edu (Mike Murphy) wrote:
:
:}In article <53itba$g...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>, er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L.
:}Sadun) wrote:
:}
:}> RJ said specifically:
:}>
:}> * no channeling necessary to become dreadlord
:}Well, then. Isn't that fascinating.
:
:Fascination? No.
:
:Stupid? Yes.
Mike is not to be picked on. Now. Or Ever.
-- Erica
Flavio J. Carrillo
In <325D59...@med1.med.tu-muenchen.de> Jay Pasquantonio
<j...@med1.med.tu-muenchen.de> writes:
>I didn't get ES's request fr questions until after-the-fact, but I've
>been wondering if Ogier can channel at all. There seems to be no
>precedent for this. If they stay in a stedding, even if they had the
>spark, they might never know it.
Based on Erica's answers from Jordan (note to Dylan: I think they're
bona fide, not a troll) you don't need to be a channeler to use the TP,
only a "stone cold fanatic" adherent of the the DO whom he sees fit to
give the ability to.
I find the notion of a TP wielding Ogier darkfriend to be deliciously
evil. But I'd like to see more of the Ogier in general and find out
more about them.
Flavio Carrillo
Sarah Keast
Paul Raj Khangure wrote:
>
> In an Age long past, an Age yet to come, Erica L. Sadun wrote:
> : Can you use the TP in the Stedding?
> : ye....er...RAFO. You must be a stone cold fanatic to *want*
> : to use the TP. Moggy is terrified of it. Avoids it.
> That was an interesting slip. And a good attempt at a redirection afterwards.
> Next we'll have an Ogier wielding the TP in a Stedding.
I'd be more interested in what this could imply about Verin. I mean if
she couldn't chanel and she did something to diagnose that Ogier...
Not that I believe the implications of what I am implying for one
minute...
Sarah
Dave Ricketts
>I find the notion of a TP wielding Ogier darkfriend to be deliciously
>evil.
No kidding. Kinda freaky. That would make an excellent badguy. Hey,
the Aiel and the Sheinarans (sp?) have DF's, why not Ogier. Good stuff in
the next book.
>But I'd like to see more of the Ogier in general and find out
>more about them.
The Ogier can't avoid Tarmon Gaidon. I'm eager to see them in combat. We
got a little peak at that in tSR and LoC with Loial and his axe, but RJ
has worked up the "implacable enemy" image too much not to make good use
of it. I think there's definitely some interesting possibility there.
Anyone have any guesses as to total Ogier population?
Dave
Mike Murphy
In article <dylan-10109...@news.tamu.edu>, dy...@tamu.edu
(Bonehead) wrote:
> }Finally, we can put some of these threads to rest...
>
> Uh, Chad? It's a signing report from Erica. By definition it cannot be
> used to prove anything.
Especially if it goes against one of your views, eh?
-Mike
Ty Margheim
In article <K-J-NORE.96...@spirit.dsv.su.se>, Karl-Johan Noren says
something funny...
>Getting answers is not a function of being an oldbie/newbie
>etc. It helps in getting people to _read_ your posts, but
>not in responding (exception: it's more common that oldbies
>like Novak or Erica is poked at when they make minor
>mistakes).
>
>My hunch (no statistical analysis here), only half or less
>of my posts get replies, and I thinks that pretty typical
>all over the line for most oldbies.
Actually, according to DejaNews, you have a 95 % reply rate.
Not bad
Loy's only got 89%
I OTOH have 96%
Ty
Wilson Christopher H C
Erica L. Sadun (er...@cc.gatech.edu) wrote:
:
: Ask what the deal is with Nyn being able to hold half the power
: as ten sisters with a sa'angreal but not being able to handle two
: pussy little BA by herself.
Ngggg...he avoided the question by misinterpreting it...
unless either Falion of Ispan has shielding talent.
: Ask how it was that Moggy got to SG intstantly...was it the DO
: using his twisty powers or was it a function of being all a dream.
:
: It was a dream. Moggy, by the way, used to be an investments
: counciler until the FTC got on her case.
Hmmpf...thought so.
: If you die, will Piers Anthony finish the series?
:
: No. No one will finish the series. The hard disks will
: be reformatted 4x in successions.
Hmmm....the number seems to be going up.
-Greebs
Bret C. Rediker
tlm...@tam2000.tamu.edu (Ty Margheim) wrote:
>Actually, according to DejaNews, you have a 95 % reply rate.
>Not bad
>Loy's only got 89%
>I OTOH have 96%
I believe that is in reference on how many posts of _yours_ are
replies. Not how many have been replied to.
Bret C. Rediker (reve...@bga.com)
http://www.realtime.net/~revenant/index.html
"That's what Tiggers do best."
Michael Kozlowski
In article <53jpth$8...@news.tamu.edu>,
Ty Margheim <tlm...@tam2000.tamu.edu> wrote:
>In article <K-J-NORE.96...@spirit.dsv.su.se>, Karl-Johan Noren says
>>My hunch (no statistical analysis here), only half or less
>>of my posts get replies, and I thinks that pretty typical
>>all over the line for most oldbies.
>Actually, according to DejaNews, you have a 95 % reply rate.
You're misunderstanding your stats here. The DejaNews reply rate shows
how many of your posts are replies to other people's articles, as opposed
to new subjects.
--
Michael Kozlowski
President, International Weasel Information Society
kozl...@cae.wisc.edu
http://www.cae.wisc.edu/~kozlowsk/weasel.html
Bonehead
In article <53jlus$t...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>, er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L.
Sadun) wrote:
}In article <dylan-10109...@news.tamu.edu>,
}Bonehead <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote:
}:In article <mmurphy3-101...@news.swarthmore.edu>,
}:mmur...@swarthmore.edu (Mike Murphy) wrote:
}:}In article <53itba$g...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>, er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L.
}:}Sadun) wrote:
}:}> RJ said specifically:
}:}> * no channeling necessary to become dreadlord
}:}Well, then. Isn't that fascinating.
}:
}:Fascination? No.
}:Stupid? Yes.
}
}Mike is not to be picked on. Now. Or Ever.
I'm not picking on Mike. I'm insulting RJ.
Carry on.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Bonehead
In article <53jpth$8...@news.tamu.edu>, tlm...@tam2000.tamu.edu (Ty
Margheim) wrote:
}Actually, according to DejaNews, you have a 95 % reply rate.
}
}Not bad
}
}Loy's only got 89%
}
}I OTOH have 96%
Ty, that's a measure of what percentage of _your_ posts are replys.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
OpheliaB
<It's like Ohio
OHIO IS NOT THE BLIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ohio is not evil. Most people in Ohio are not evil. I am an Ohioan, and I
am not evil!!
Ophelia Sedai
The road to hell is paved with good toothpicks.
Dave Rothgery
On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Eric Vallender wrote:
>Jay Pasquantonio wrote:
>> I didn't get ES's request fr questions until after-the-fact, but I've
>> been wondering if Ogier can channel at all. There seems to be no
>> precedent for this. If they stay in a stedding, even if they had the
>> spark, they might never know it.
>>
>> Jay Pasquantonio
>> (Ogier stonemasons? Treesongs? Arrgh!)
>
>I know that I am a newbie (after the whole RockGoddes thing I am
>hesitant to say that), but... I did post a shitty Loony Erith Theory
Don't worry, most newbies aren't treated too badly.
>that had her channelling a while back. I didn't get any responses. I
>figured that it was because 1) I am a newbie and thus have not gotten a
>response from any regular yet and 2) Because the post was long, shittily
>written, and didn't really hit home. Anyway I just want to say that I
>think this would be cool, and it would make the whole Erith thing a lot
>more interesting. Besides it seems that its either that or she's a DF
>(from the signing answers only, no real evidence).
>
One of the more effective ways to get respnses is to wait until someone
(preferably a regular) posts something just waiting for the answer "But
Taim is Demandred!" or "Why under the Light do you think Taim is
Demandred?". That's how I got started last spring (with the latter, but
it works either way). There are always a few people willing to argue
(though I've pretty much given up). You might want to remember that Erica
is informally known as the "Mistress of Trolls" on this group ... when
something seems rediculous, wait for confirmation from another source.
Dave Rothgery dave...@wpi.edu http://www.wpi.edu/~daveroth
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"It has been said that though God cannot alter the past, historians can."
-Samuel Butler
Sarah Keast
John S. Novak, III wrote:
> In <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu> er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L. Sadun) writes:
> >Tell us about the blight:
> > Blight: you can not enter it from TAR because it is apart from
> > NORMAL UNIVERSE and can not be touched. The Blight is not part of
> > the normal universe.
> Aii?
> Enh?
> Huh?
> Wot?
I agree completely.
Anybody know what's up with this?
Clueless,
Sarah
John S. Novak, III
>Tell us about the blight:
> Blight: you can not enter it from TAR because it is apart from
> NORMAL UNIVERSE and can not be touched. The Blight is not part of
> the normal universe.
Aii?
Enh?
Huh?
Wot?
>Who killed Asmodean? (Right. Like he'll tell us). Anyway ask if the
>clues to figure it out are all included <= TFOH
> RAFO. All clues are included up to TFOH.
The man's mind is clearly going.
>Was Else always Lanfear?
> No. Else did exist as a separate human but was played by Lanfear
> after Else was expelled.
Hah!
Hah!
And again I say Hah!
>New dreadlords? Via TP? What are limits of TP? When did we see it
>used before?
> Access to the TP is a matter of wanting it and the dark one
> letting you. NOT black cords.
And _again_ I say Hah!
I stick to my original thought on the matter, that it's a Taint filter
for the men. (Though I admit to the possibility that the women may
them, and if so, it's probably an immortality connection or some
such.)
>Ask what the deal is with Nyn being able to hold half the power
>as ten sisters with a sa'angreal but not being able to handle two
>pussy little BA by herself.
"Pussy little Aes Sedai?"
>Ask how it was that Moggy got to SG intstantly...was it the DO
>using his twisty powers or was it a function of being all a dream.
> It was a dream. Moggy, by the way, used to be an investments
> counciler until the FTC got on her case.
<Chuckle?
>Ask about the three white black aes sedai in Liandrin's group when
>there should only be two.
>Joiya Byir (killed at Tear)
>Rianna Andormeran
>Falion Bhoda
> Complete surprise. Really? Mutter mutter. Have to check that out.
Now _this_ is going to be an interesting backpedal, if he tries to fix
it in the books. My bet is, he ignores the hell out of it.
>Could a 2nd person have "needed" the bowl and found it?
> Maybe. Didn't think of it.
Score two for the newsgroup.
>How do you get your ideas?
> I opened the closet one day and found three young women, diaphonously
> clad who had made themselves at home. They had hung up needle point
> embroidery and otherwise furnished the closet. I had a discipline
> stick available and beat them. Now, every day, they hand me a
> list of ten ideas.
If he actually said this, I think this is an indication that he's
getting sick of silly questions.
>"Are shocklances guns, or an energy discharge weapon?"
> energy discharge weapons.
Huh.
>Can you use the TP in the Stedding?
> ye....er...RAFO. You must be a stone cold fanatic to *want*
> to use the TP. Moggy is terrified of it. Avoids it.
Heh heh heh.
>
--
John S. Novak, III j...@cris.com
http://cegt201.bradley.edu/~jsn/index.html
The Humblest Man on the Net
John S. Novak, III
In <Pine.SOL.3.91.961010...@minerva.cis.yale.edu> People Covered In Fish <jha...@pantheon.yale.edu> writes:
>Question: why didn't one of the original Forsaken merit the nickname of
>"Death"? It seems a bit more obvious to me than "Destroyer of Hope".
Probably because it's obvious, and lame.
Compare the number of internet poseurs calling themselves some
variation of "Death" (in Greek or Latin, usually) vs the number of
internet weenies calling themselves "Betrayer of Hope."
(Outside Wheel of Time circles, anyway.)
John S. Novak, III
>Or simply because no one found your post interesting to
>them.
Hey, not every post is a gem, you know.
Except for me and Erica.
>Getting answers is not a function of being an oldbie/newbie
>etc. It helps in getting people to _read_ your posts, but
>not in responding (exception: it's more common that oldbies
>like Novak or Erica is poked at when they make minor
>mistakes).
Don't poke me, I don't jiggle.
I stomp back.
John S. Novak, III
>Or simply because no one found your post interesting to
>them.
Hey, not every post is a gem, you know.
Except for me and Erica.
>Getting answers is not a function of being an oldbie/newbie
>etc. It helps in getting people to _read_ your posts, but
>not in responding (exception: it's more common that oldbies
>like Novak or Erica is poked at when they make minor
>mistakes).
Don't poke me, I don't jiggle.
I smash.
Michael Kozlowski
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.961010...@minerva.cis.yale.edu>,
People Covered In Fish <jha...@pantheon.yale.edu> wrote:
>Question: why didn't one of the original Forsaken merit the nickname of
>"Death"? It seems a bit more obvious to me than "Destroyer of Hope".
It doesn't sound very cool, is why. I mean, picture them going around the
room introducing themselves:
"I'm The Betrayer of Hope."
"I'm the Bane of the Light."
"I'm Death."
It just doesn't work, you know?
-Mike "or maybe that should have been "I'M DEATH"" K.
P. Korda
In article <53jo6d$t...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
<djric...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>In article <53jmrt$g...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>, flav...@ix.netcom.com(Flavio J. Carrillo ) says:
>>I find the notion of a TP wielding Ogier darkfriend to be deliciously
>>evil.
>No kidding. Kinda freaky. That would make an excellent badguy. Hey,
Elder Haman! [1]
[1] See the story of Esther in the Bible.
--pam
"My heart is black and my lips are cold..."
Ty Margheim
In article <53jtuf$i...@news3.realtime.net>, Bret C. Rediker says something
funny...
>
>tlm...@tam2000.tamu.edu (Ty Margheim) wrote:
>
>>Actually, according to DejaNews, you have a 95 % reply rate.
>
>>Not bad
>
>>Loy's only got 89%
>
>>I OTOH have 96%
>
>replies. Not how many have been replied to.
Doh!
OBNovak: My bad.
Ty
Tshen
John S. Novak, III (J...@cris.com) wrote:
: In <K-J-NORE.96...@spirit.dsv.su.se> k-j-...@dsv.su.se (Karl-Johan Noren) writes:
: >Getting answers is not a function of being an oldbie/newbie
: >etc. It helps in getting people to _read_ your posts, but
: >not in responding (exception: it's more common that oldbies
: >like Novak or Erica is poked at when they make minor
: >mistakes).
: Don't poke me, I don't jiggle.
: I smash.
Aww. Isn't he so CUUUUTE when he's threatening!
You just wanna go up to him and pinch his Novaky witto cheeky-weekys!
--Tshen
Qodaxti Institute, 87th stratum
Jay Pasquantonio
Flavio J. Carrillo wrote:
>
> I find the notion of a TP wielding Ogier darkfriend to be deliciously
> more about them.
How about a female, TP-wielding Ogier Dreadlord? She could bond Shaidar
Haran and Fain as Warders.
Jay Pasquantonio
(I can't help the feeling that this is all based on a New, Improved
GH(tm). Gotta go with Dylan on this one.)
Jay Pasquantonio
OpheliaB wrote:
>
> <It's like Ohio
>
> OHIO IS NOT THE BLIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ohio is not evil. Most people in Ohio are not evil. I am an Ohioan, and I
> am not evil!!
Of course not. (big smile) OTOH, that's what you would say if you
_were_
evil. It seems we will need some more thorough convincing. (pulls can of
Silly String) We have ways of confirming such suspicions. (grin that
does
not reach his eyes)
Jay Pasquantonio
(Still bitter after being rejected as Warder. (snort) Overqualified!)
Jay Pasquantonio
Sarah Keast wrote:
>
> John S. Novak, III wrote:
>
>
> > >Tell us about the blight:
>
> > > Blight: you can not enter it from TAR because it is apart from
> > > NORMAL UNIVERSE and can not be touched. The Blight is not part of
> > > the normal universe.
>
> > Aii?
> > Enh?
> > Huh?
> > Wot?
>
> Anybody know what's up with this?
Green Man could scoot his little paradise around all over the place
with
ease and why it wasn't overrun with Trollocs, Worms, etc. It also would
explain why one could call the Chia-Ogier with need.
Problem: this would mean Malkier is now not part of the normal
universe. How did it leave the normal universe, and how is Lan gonna
bring it back? Can someone go to SG in TAR (like Moggy did when
summoned)? Then why the heck not the Blight? (grumble)
Jay Pasquantonio
(That's a whole different can of Worms.)
benf...@acsu.buffalo.edu
Jay Pasquantonio wrote:
>
> Sarah Keast wrote:
> >
> > John S. Novak, III wrote:
> >
> > > In <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu> er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L. Sadun) writes:
> >
> > > >Tell us about the blight:
> >
> > > > Blight: you can not enter it from TAR because it is apart from
> > > > NORMAL UNIVERSE and can not be touched. The Blight is not part of
> > > > the normal universe.
>
> (Assuming Signing Answers is not another GH)
[munched text]
> Problem: this would mean Malkier is now not part of the normal
> universe. How did it leave the normal universe, and how is Lan gonna
> bring it back?
When I read this I assumed that instead of the Blight consuming
Malkier, that it was somehow laid over the top of Malkier.
In other words, Malkier still exists, it's just inaccessible.
Is there reference to any recent sightings of the 7 towers of
Malkier? I can't recall any off hand, but I may be incorrect.
I'm still a little confused by Jordan's answer (assuming this is
not a hoax), and wondering why this did not receive a RAFO, unless
this is a topic he thought was clear through reading.
-cal
Mark Hazen
In article <dylan-10109...@news.tamu.edu>
dy...@tamu.edu (Bonehead) writes:
> In article <53itba$g...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>, er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L.
> Sadun) wrote:
>
> }RJ said specifically:
> }
> } * no channeling necessary to become dreadlord
> } * TP independent of OP
>
> From this one of the following is true:
>
> 1) The Dreadlords in the Trolloc Wars were _not_ using the TP.
> 2) They were, and this was a major policy change from the AOL, where only
> 29 people were granted its use. This would be incredibly stupid.
> 3) Jordan said this w/o considering the consequences.
>
> --
> Dylan Alexander
> dy...@tamu.edu
So like is this an example of Texan logic - a sub-branch of the white
Ajah musing about some sort of symantic logic straight from the blight?
Take a look at what is being said.
> } * no channeling necessary to become dreadlord
This is a negative statement and does not imply that no dreadlords
can/could channel.
> } * TP independent of OP
Just as this does not say that those who can channel OP cannot channel
TP. It says that they are independent, neither requires the other.
Further he said that anyone could use the TP all they have to do is ask
for its use and have that use granted (just like Ishy does in the
prologue to tEoW and at the end of tDR)
Nor is it indicated that all Dreadlords use either OP or TP. Certainly
Isam qualifys as a Dreadlord, but we do not see him using either OP or
TP, but something else (maybe even a Ter'angreal of some sort)
Mark
Donal K. Fellows
In article <53k2i3$3...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
OpheliaB <ophe...@aol.com> wrote:
[ Attribution lost. Since it's been through AOL, I'm not _that_ surprised ]
>> It's like Ohio
>
> OHIO IS NOT THE BLIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ohio is not evil. Most people in Ohio are not evil. I am an Ohioan, and I
> am not evil!!
You're just saying that to make us feel guilty. But we know your
little game...
Donal.
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Bonehead
}Nor is it indicated that all Dreadlords use either OP or TP.
Don't be a blithering idiot. By definition, a Dreadlord was a leader
in the Trolloc Wars who could channel. Channeling is a requirement
to be a Dreadlord.
}Certainly Isam qualifys as a Dreadlord
No, he does not. Plenty of other people have made this claim, and I've
yet to see anyone on the group be convinced. "Dreadlord" has a very
specific definition that requires channeling.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Aaron Bergman
In article <53k5bh$k...@herald.concentric.net>, J...@cris.com (John S.
Novak, III) wrote:
:In <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu> er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L. Sadun)
writes:
:>Was Else always Lanfear?
:
:> No. Else did exist as a separate human but was played by Lanfear
:> after Else was expelled.
:
:Hah! Hah! And again I say Hah!
This was in doubt?!?
Aaron
--
Aaron Bergman -- aber...@minerva.cis.yale.edu
<http://pantheon.yale.edu/~abergman/>
Smoke a cigarette. Slit your throat. Same concept.
Mike Murphy
In article <dylan-11109...@news.tamu.edu>, dy...@tamu.edu
(Bonehead) wrote:
> }Nor is it indicated that all Dreadlords use either OP or TP.
>
> Don't be a blithering idiot. By definition, a Dreadlord was a leader
> in the Trolloc Wars who could channel. Channeling is a requirement
> to be a Dreadlord.
Of course, that's if your definition is correct. I'm still not
sure why you so strongly believe that it must be.
-Mike
Chad R Orzel
In article <53k2i3$3...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
OpheliaB <ophe...@aol.com> wrote:
><It's like Ohio
>
>OHIO IS NOT THE BLIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Ohio is not evil. Most people in Ohio are not evil. I am an Ohioan,
The prosecution rests, Your Honor.
Later,
OilCan
Bonehead
In article <mmurphy3-111...@news.swarthmore.edu>,
mmur...@swarthmore.edu (Mike Murphy) wrote:
Probably because I've read the definition of "dreadlord" in the glossaries.
Check TEOTW. It may or may not have disappeared or changed since then.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Mike Murphy
In article <325DB2...@artsci.wustl.edu>, Sarah Keast
<ssk...@artsci.wustl.edu> wrote:
> > > Blight: you can not enter it from TAR because it is apart from
> > > NORMAL UNIVERSE and can not be touched. The Blight is not part of
> > > the normal universe.
> > Wot?
> I agree completely.
> Anybody know what's up with this?
Possibly this is the mechanism for the DO's remaking of the world.
Instead of simply altering the normal universe from the inside, he
wants to project some other dimension (a dimension that he can directly
control) on top of the normal universe.
This does help explain the wonky weather patterns up in the Blight:
the laws of nature don't work quite the same up there since the
very nature of the place is different from that of the normal universe.
-Mike
Flavio J. Carrillo
In <325EC5...@icgroup.net> Richard Goldman <rgol...@icgroup.net>
writes:
>OpheliaB wrote:
>>
>> <It's like Ohio
>>
>> OHIO IS NOT THE BLIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Ohio is not evil. Most people in Ohio are not evil. I am an Ohioan,
>
There may be something to this Ohio business. I myself was born in
Dayton, proof positive that Something is Up...
(did move back to Puerto Rico when I was a few months old, so my
exposure was brief. The effects are life lasting, alas.)
Flavio Carrillo
Student
In article <53lkkb$f...@rac8.wam.umd.edu> oil...@wam.umd.edu (Chad R Orzel) writes:
>OpheliaB <ophe...@aol.com> wrote:
>><It's like Ohio
>>
>>OHIO IS NOT THE BLIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>Ohio is not evil. Most people in Ohio are not evil. I am an Ohioan,
>The prosecution rests, Your Honor.
>Later,
>OilCan
Ohio is not the Blight..sure our weather patterns maybe like that of the
Blight , but we are most definetly NOT the Blight.
Besides, we have a really good football team (Ohio State) unlike the
Blight...GO BUCKS!!!!
Alana
"All is strange and vague..are we dead or is this just Ohio?" - Dot and Yakko
Warner
Richard Goldman
OpheliaB wrote:
>
> <It's like Ohio
>
> OHIO IS NOT THE BLIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
Mark Loy
In article <53h2ar$h...@rac7.wam.umd.edu>, oil...@wam.umd.edu (Chad R Orzel)
wrote:
> In article <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu>,
> Erica L. Sadun <er...@cc.gatech.edu> wrote:
> >
> >9 October Signing at Perimeter Media Play, Dunwoody, GA.
> >
> >Tell us about the blight:
> >
> > Blight: you can not enter it from TAR because it is apart from
> > NORMAL UNIVERSE and can not be touched. The Blight is not part of
> > the normal universe.
>
> That's... interesting.
Yeah. But really, this along with everything else is highly suspect
information.
After all, it comes from Robert Jordan. And I bet that Robert Jordan
hasn't put in one third the time that people on this forum have on this
series, so technically, the man can't be expected to know as much as us.
Timmy, all by himself, probably knows more than RJ.
Probably.
> >What happens when two people balefire each other simultaneously?
> >
> > <disgusted look> A lot of confusion.
>
> Thank you.
> I would've hoped for a Shatneresque "Get a life" speech, but a simple
> disgusted look will do.
Yes...but he didn't say that it was impossible, ergo, he didn't say that it
was impossible.
The significance of this is mindnumbing.
> >How do you get your ideas?
> >
> > I opened the closet one day and found three young women, diaphonously
> > clad who had made themselves at home. They had hung up needle point
> > embroidery and otherwise furnished the closet. I had a discipline
> > stick available and beat them. Now, every day, they hand me a
> > list of ten ideas.
>
> Which is about as good a response to _that_ idiotic question as I've
> seen...
I don't know...sounds pretty fuckin' cruel to those poor women, to me.
Of course, YMMV.
> >"Are shocklances guns, or an energy discharge weapon?"
> > energy discharge weapons.
>
> Thank you again.
I knew this.
I mean, "Smith & Wesson Shocklance" doesn't make it.
But _General Electric_ Shocklance...now you have something.
> >Is Thom Elayne and Gawyn's real father?
> >
> > no. absolutely no. no question about it. no. no. no. Thom is exactly
> > who he says he is.
>
> And one more time...
> Finally, we can put some of these threads to rest...
Silly rabbit.
They won't stay rested...they won't stay dead.
ML
Aaron Bergman
:In article <325E68...@med1.med.tu-muenchen.de>,
:j...@med1.med.tu-muenchen.de wrote:
:
:}(I can't help the feeling that this is all based on a New, Improved
:}GH(tm). Gotta go with Dylan on this one.)
:
:I don't want to be misunderstood on this; I don't _really_ think Erica
:made this up.
:
:Well, I'm not sure, anyway...
I'm of the "I have no idea" school here. Could be. Couldn't be. Only Erica
knows.
Steve Monahan
Malka Susswein <mal...@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il> wrote:
>On 9 Oct 1996, Erica L. Sadun wrote:
>>
>> What are the actual requirements for being raised to the shawl?
>>
>> RAFO
>What's RAFO?
"Rat's Ass Found Outdoors"
HTH!
---
Steve
Never knock on Death's door.
Ring the bell & run. He *hates* that!
Steve Monahan
er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L. Sadun) wrote:
[munch]
>Speaking of which, you wouldn't *believe* the inscription I got in
>my TGH. I have not the courage to post it here but will consider
>emailing it if asked politely.
Now this is very cruel of you! How can you bring it up & then not tell
us?!
<begin polite request>
Dear Dr. Sadun;
This missive is to officially (and politely) ask that you please
inform me of the contents of the inscription RJ wrote in your copy of
tGH.
Thank you very much for your anticipated cooperation in this matter.
Sincerely,
Steve Monahan
Brian Trosko
Bonehead <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote:
: }D'u'b'wha?!?
: It's like Ohio.
Right. No matter where in it you are, physically, you're actually in the
middle of Ohio. No matter where you walk to, you're in the middle of
Ohio. You could Travel 10,000 miles away, and you'd *still* be in the
middle of Ohio.
And the Worms are really state troopers, and they don't like speeders.
Brian "Sounds like Hell to me" Trosko
P. Korda
In article <student1....@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
Student <stud...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>Ohio is not the Blight..sure our weather patterns maybe like that of the
>Blight , but we are most definetly NOT the Blight.
No, Ohio is not the Blight.
Ohio is Amadicia.
HTH.
St Erroneous
Jay Pasquantonio <j...@med1.med.tu-muenchen.de> wrote:
>> > er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L. Sadun) writes:
>> > > Blight: you can not enter it from TAR because it is apart from
>> > > NORMAL UNIVERSE and can not be touched. The Blight is not part of
>> > > the normal universe.
> (Assuming Signing Answers is not another GH) It would explain why the
> Green Man could scoot his little paradise around all over the place
>with
>ease and why it wasn't overrun with Trollocs, Worms, etc. It also would
>explain why one could call the Chia-Ogier with need.
> Problem: this would mean Malkier is now not part of the normal
>universe. How did it leave the normal universe, and how is Lan gonna
>bring it back? Can someone go to SG in TAR (like Moggy did when
>summoned)? Then why the heck not the Blight? (grumble)
Weeeeeeeeeellll.... <warms hands up for an exacting waving session>
If the GLD is effecting the pattern - remaking it according to his own
specs then the Blight may be a sign of His spreading influence. As the
GLD becomes more powerful, more and more of Randland gets pulled out of
"this" universe and forms part of the new GLD-editted version.
This may (or may not) be part of what the GLD wants to do to the whole
of Randland, or may just be a helpful side effect of his increasing power
in the world. Ishy was clearly involved in mediating this on some level (the
Blight withdrew some after tEotW, iirc).
Alternatively Jordan may have spoken without thinking. Or, indeed, may not
have said this at all.
...Erica... *teehee*
...Bela... *teehee*
<giggles, seals lips>
>Jay Pasquantonio
TechyTAN: If Jay, Erica or a Cabal member with a moment on their hands reads
this could you possibly drop me a quick "Saw it" email. I have a dark and
terrible feeling that our news system is fucked again... *grumble*
-michael
--
- http://goliath.mersinet.co.uk/~ishamael/ - isha...@goliath.mersinet.co.uk
- "We have befriended the Angel of Death. Armageddon will start in Palestine."
P. Korda
In article <dylan-11109...@news.tamu.edu>,
Bonehead <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote:
>Don't be a blithering idiot. By definition, a Dreadlord was a leader
>in the Trolloc Wars who could channel. Channeling is a requirement
>to be a Dreadlord.
By this logic, being in the Trolloc Wars is also a requirement for
Dreadlord-hood.
Having said that, I REALLY don't think that any non-channeller (Read:
channeller of OP or TP) would make it as a Dreadlord. Dreadlords boss
Fades around. Fades do not take orders from Puny Hoo-mans who are
weaker than they are (e.g. J. Carridin). Channellers, OTOH, are able
to discipline Fades, using their Eldrich Powers. Ergo, channellers get
to be Dreadlords; non-channellers get to be dinner for the
Trollocs. The exception could MAYBE be humans with some sort of
extra-special ability (natural of DO-provided) that enables them to
smack Fades around.
Look at it this way: a non-channelling human is to a normal Fade as a
Forsaken is to Shaidar Haran.
I think that the Randland Dictionary probably defines "dreadlord" thusly:
Dreadlord--n. 1) Channellers who led Trollocs and Myrddraal during the
Trolloc Wars. 2) A Darkfriend who leads Trollocs.
Note that we have not seen any human who fits EITHER description in
the books. (Forsaken are another order of magnitude, entirely.) Slayer
has never been seen LEADING trollocs. Fain is no longer a Darkfriend.
Erica L. Sadun
In article <53mfd1$d...@herald.concentric.net>,
Steve Monahan <smon...@cris.com> wrote:
:er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L. Sadun) wrote:
:[munch]
:>Speaking of which, you wouldn't *believe* the inscription I got in
:>my TGH. I have not the courage to post it here but will consider
:>emailing it if asked politely.
:Now this is very cruel of you! How can you bring it up & then not tell
:us?!
:<begin polite request>
:Dear Dr. Sadun;
:
:This missive is to officially (and politely) ask that you please
:inform me of the contents of the inscription RJ wrote in your copy of
:tGH.
:
:Thank you very much for your anticipated cooperation in this matter.
:
:Sincerely,
:Steve Monahan
Dear Mr. Monahan,
This missive is to officially (and politely) ask how old you are.
Thank you very much for your truthful cooperation in this matter.
Sincerely,
Dr. Erica "biff y" Sadun
Bonehead
In article <Dz4tw...@midway.uchicago.edu>, ko...@midway.uchicago.edu (P.
Korda) wrote:
}No, Ohio is not the Blight.
}
}Ohio is Amadicia.
But is Ohio better or worse than Texas?
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Dave Rothgery
On 11 Oct 1996, Flavio J. Carrillo wrote:
>In <325EC5...@icgroup.net> Richard Goldman <rgol...@icgroup.net>
>writes:
>>
>There may be something to this Ohio business. I myself was born in
>Dayton, proof positive that Something is Up...
>
I was born not far from Cleveland, myself, and even lived there till just
before I turned 12 ...
>(did move back to Puerto Rico when I was a few months old, so my
>exposure was brief. The effects are life lasting, alas.)
>
OK, the Novak is the official survey-taker AFAIK, but ...
Questions:
1) Were you concieved in Ohio?
2) Were you born in Ohio?
3) Have you ever lived in Ohio, and if so, for how long?
4) Do you currently reside in Ohio?
The results should show if Ohio is in fact a breeding ground for
Darkfriends...
Dave Rothgery dave...@wpi.edu http://www.wpi.edu/~daveroth
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"It has been said that though God cannot alter the past, historians can."
-Samuel Butler
Bonehead
In article <Dz4uF...@midway.uchicago.edu>, ko...@midway.uchicago.edu (P.
Korda) wrote:
}In article <dylan-11109...@news.tamu.edu>,
}Bonehead <dy...@tamu.edu> wrote:
}
}>Don't be a blithering idiot. By definition, a Dreadlord was a leader
}>in the Trolloc Wars who could channel. Channeling is a requirement
}>to be a Dreadlord.
}
}By this logic, being in the Trolloc Wars is also a requirement for
}Dreadlord-hood.
No. If I say the KKK was originally a group of racists in the South that
was wiped out, does this invalidate a much larger group of racists in
the midwest from adopting the name and the white hoods? Of course not.
In this case, the defining characteristic is the racism and white hoods,
while the "in the South" would simply be stating the only place it had
thus far existed in history.
The over/under on how many Klans we'll go through before the political
dissolution of the United States is currently 7.
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Donal K. Fellows
In article <53it5h$6...@news.nstn.ca>, Mark Hazen <mha...@fox.nstn.ns.ca> wrote:
> er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica L. Sadun) writes:
>> Have any Aes Sedai ever been refused admittance to any Ajah?
>> No. (see below)
>
>> What do members of the White Ajah actually do on a day-to-day basis?
>> Think. Study philosphy.
>
> I find this puzzling - now we know that the Ajah's are of differing
> sizes (at least I think that we do) but to have an entire Ajah
> dedicated to the study of philosophy seems quite strange (unless this
> shows Ishys influence since he was a philosopher), but no Ajah
> dedicated to the arts, or to engineering (browns come close but not
> quite)
It seems that there has been very little (if any) real research,
especially given the availability of printing. Perhaps this is Ishy's
work ("That bright soul seems to be discovering something new, so I'll
rip her soul to shreds in T'A'R...")
>> How are the Ajah's funded?
>>
>> Too complex to answer. Join funding and contributions
>> from ajahs to full tower.
>
> This is interesting as it seems to imply that a major portion of income
> comes from the Ajahs and not directly to the tower. This would give
> the Ajah's a lot more power than any particular constitution - the
> power of the purse! Note, I am not saying that the Tower does not have
> resources too, but that if significant resources are owned by an Ajah
> and contributed to the tower an unpopular AmSeat could find herself
> strapped for cash, if contributions are withheld (kind of like the UN).
> This is very different from the case where the Tower owns the
> resources and distributes them as grants to the Ajahs. The first is
> more like a Co-op and the second like a government and its departments.
This reminds me a bit of how the Church was funded in medeaval
Europe. A lot of landowners gave land to the Church, which then
collected taxes from it. This land was usually given (IIRC) to a
particular abbey, which led to a fairly decentralised financial
structure. The Tower seems to be like this, but more so.
Craig Levin
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.961010...@minerva.cis.yale.edu>,
People Covered In Fish <jha...@pantheon.yale.edu> wrote:
>Question: why didn't one of the original Forsaken merit the nickname of
>"Death"? It seems a bit more obvious to me than "Destroyer of Hope".
"Quia in mortis, nos venimus frons ad frontem cum Deo."-Uhtred of
Bolton. For the rest of you, "Because in death, we come face to
face with God." Death can be a release from the pains and
temptations of a crappy world, even as it can rip a person from
the wonder and joy of living. Without hope, though, we're all
screwed.
--
http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~clevin/index.html
cle...@ripco.com
Craig Levin
Lara Beaton
so sayeth J...@cris.com (John S. Novak, III) :
>Don't poke me, I don't jiggle.
You don't know what you're missing....
========================================================================
Lara Beaton
The opinions expressed are not those of Hughes Aircraft or General
Motors, nor are they probably opinions at all.
"If a tree falls in the forest ... and we've already sold the
tree ... does it have quality?"
Lara Beaton
so sayeth Sarah Keast <ssk...@artsci.wustl.edu> :
>Paul Raj Khangure wrote:
>>
>> In an Age long past, an Age yet to come, Erica L. Sadun wrote:
>> : Can you use the TP in the Stedding?
>> : ye....er...RAFO. You must be a stone cold fanatic to *want*
>> : to use the TP. Moggy is terrified of it. Avoids it.
>
>> That was an interesting slip. And a good attempt at a redirection afterwards.
>
>> Next we'll have an Ogier wielding the TP in a Stedding.
>I'd be more interested in what this could imply about Verin. I mean if
>she couldn't chanel and she did something to diagnose that Ogier...
>Not that I believe the implications of what I am implying for one
>minute...
We asked RJ about this at the Vancouver signing, and his response was
that Verin did not use the OP or the TP to examine the Ogier in the
stedding.
He said that we're going to find out something interesting about
people who have no souls. Something that you don't need the OP to
determine.
HTH!
Bonehead
}(I can't help the feeling that this is all based on a New, Improved
}GH(tm). Gotta go with Dylan on this one.)
I don't want to be misunderstood on this; I don't _really_ think Erica
made this up.
Well, I'm not sure, anyway...
--
Dylan Alexander
dy...@tamu.edu
Mongo
>--pam
>
>"My heart is black and my lips are cold..."
Three thousand guitars they seem to cry. My ears will melt, and then my eyes.
Mongo
Erica L. Sadun
Anyone who knows my MO knows that I
1. announce non-existant book arrivals in stores on 1 Aprils
2. write passages of fiction that RJ never wrote
3. assert that xanthony will finish the series
And that's it. Period. Fini.
SHEESH.
-- Erica "sheesh" S.
John S. Novak, III
>There may be something to this Ohio business. I myself was born in
>Dayton, proof positive that Something is Up...
...And so, marked and marred for life, he chose the only path open to
him. Law school.
(You expected me to pass that up?)
--
John S. Novak, III j...@cris.com
http://cegt201.bradley.edu/~jsn/index.html
The Humblest Man on the Net
John S. Novak, III
In <abergman-111...@net160-100.student.yale.edu> aber...@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Aaron Bergman) writes:
>:> No. Else did exist as a separate human but was played by Lanfear
>:> after Else was expelled.
>:
>:Hah! Hah! And again I say Hah!
>This was in doubt?!?
Some insisted she was Mesaana.
John S. Novak, III
In <325df...@calliope.wln.com> tshe...@rs6a.wln.com (Tshen) writes:
>: Don't poke me, I don't jiggle.
>: I smash.
>Aww. Isn't he so CUUUUTE when he's threatening!
>You just wanna go up to him and pinch his Novaky witto cheeky-weekys!
How would you like to be turned into the first human Klein bottle?
Just think which appendage(s) I'd use and which organs I'd rearrange to
accomplish that.
John S. Novak, III
>Besides, we have a really good football team (Ohio State) unlike the
>Blight...GO BUCKS!!!!
I'd pay good money to see the Bucks go a full game of pro ball with a
team of Trollocs, a Gholam, a Grey Man, and a Fade as quarterback.
"And the ball is snapped to Narg, the Smart Trolloc, who-- Oh, no!
Three of the opposing team members have grabbed Narg's legs, and he's
barely even slowed down! I've never seen a touchdown made carrying
three enemy team members before!"
"And the Myrdraal pulls a quick dodge and fade, and-- whoah! He really
_did_ fade, right under Narg's shadow! Where the fuck...? Holy shit,
how did he get over to make the touch down that fast?"
"And the ref calls the penalties for the Gholam: Ten yards for ripping
the face mask _and face_ off of the linebacker, fifteen yards for
reaching into the quarterback's mouth and pulling out his skull...
The Myrdraal is smiling. Apparently, he thinks it was worth it."
"And everyone, including this commentator, seems to have lost track of
the ball, where is it? Hey, who's that nondescript guy jumping up and
down with the football in his hands over there at the goal line?"
John S. Novak, III
>OK, the Novak is the official survey-taker AFAIK, but ...
Pointless.
They'd only lie about it.
Like the Black Ajah, they will create the illusion of statistical
normality.
Steven Hillage
John S. Novak, III wrote:
>
> In <325df...@calliope.wln.com> tshe...@rs6a.wln.com (Tshen) writes:
>
> >: Don't poke me, I don't jiggle.
> >: I smash.
>
> >Aww. Isn't he so CUUUUTE when he's threatening!
> >You just wanna go up to him and pinch his Novaky witto cheeky-weekys!
>
> How would you like to be turned into the first human Klein bottle?
> Just think which appendage(s) I'd use and which organs I'd rearrange to
> accomplish that.
IIRC Fel qualifies as a previous human Klein bottle if not Calvin
drinks from them all the time and he's "human".
Curiously what happens if two Gholams try to Klein bottle each other?
Brad Johnson
John S. Novak, III (J...@cris.com) wrote:
: In <325df...@calliope.wln.com> tshe...@rs6a.wln.com (Tshen) writes:
: >: Don't poke me, I don't jiggle.
: >: I smash.
: >Aww. Isn't he so CUUUUTE when he's threatening!
: >You just wanna go up to him and pinch his Novaky witto cheeky-weekys!
: How would you like to be turned into the first human Klein bottle?
: Just think which appendage(s) I'd use and which organs I'd rearrange to
: accomplish that.
Speaking of that, there's a lovely story about a mathematician who
discovers a zero sided distortion of a surface and the nasty results
when someone gets on his bad side in the remarkable anthology,
_Mathenauts_, the only collection I know of math fiction, nearly all
spectacularly good. Some very rich prose there.
--bradj.
------------------------Nullus Oppidenda Est--------------------------
brad johnson (bgjo...@unix.amherst.edu) 'Disc, God, Country, Pork'
http://www.amherst.edu/~bgjohnso/ 'Chickens! No Cynics!'
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Flavio J. Carrillo
In <53nacr$t...@herald.concentric.net> J...@cris.com (John S. Novak, III)
writes:
>In <53m7ml$s...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>
flav...@ix.netcom.com(Flavio J. Carrillo ) writes:
>
>>There may be something to this Ohio business. I myself was born in
>>Dayton, proof positive that Something is Up...
>
>...And so, marked and marred for life, he chose the only path open to
>him. Law school.
>
>
>(You expected me to pass that up?)
Nope.
Like Fain's, my condition is not entirely without...certain advantages.
;)
(Yes, my vote is that Ohio is neither the Blight nor Amadicia, but, in
fact, Shadar Logoth.)
Flavio Carrillo
Richard Edwards
<snip>
: "And everyone, including this commentator, seems to have lost track of
: the ball, where is it? Hey, who's that nondescript guy jumping up and
: down with the football in his hands over there at the goal line?"
Lews?
Jon Travaglia
Paul Raj Khangure wrote:
>
> In an Age long past, an Age yet to come, Erica L. Sadun wrote:
>
> :
> : <strange look> RAFO.
[snip]
> : Can you use the TP in the Stedding?
> :
> : ye....er...RAFO. You must be a stone cold fanatic to *want*
> : to use the TP. Moggy is terrified of it. Avoids it.
[snip]
>
> Next we'll have an Ogier wielding the TP in a Stedding.
Or perhaps a dreadlord AS being asked by a darkfriend Ogier to Delve
someone in a stedding.
Jon Travaglia
Young Michael
In article <53lk7j$p...@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu>,
benf...@acsu.buffalo.edu wrote:
: Jay Pasquantonio wrote:
: >
: > Sarah Keast wrote:
: > >
: > > John S. Novak, III wrote:
: > >
: > > > In <53guo4$2...@cleon.cc.gatech.edu> er...@cc.gatech.edu (Erica
L. Sadun) writes:
: > >
: > > > >Tell us about the blight:
: > >
: > > > > Blight: you can not enter it from TAR because it is apart from
: > > > > NORMAL UNIVERSE and can not be touched. The Blight is not part of
: > > > > the normal universe.
:
: >
: > (Assuming Signing Answers is not another GH)
:
: [munched text]
:
: > Problem: this would mean Malkier is now not part of the normal
: > universe. How did it leave the normal universe, and how is Lan gonna
: > bring it back?
:
: When I read this I assumed that instead of the Blight consuming
: Malkier, that it was somehow laid over the top of Malkier.
: In other words, Malkier still exists, it's just inaccessible.
:
: Is there reference to any recent sightings of the 7 towers of
: Malkier? I can't recall any off hand, but I may be incorrect.
:
: I'm still a little confused by Jordan's answer (assuming this is
: not a hoax), and wondering why this did not receive a RAFO, unless
: this is a topic he thought was clear through reading.
:
: -cal
(1) {{the easy answer}} The seven (broken) towers of Malkier are in the
same place they always were. Our heroes camped near there on their way to
the Eye.
(2) {{the hard answer}} My take on the Blight-not-in-T'A'R thing is this:
The Bore at SG is a thin spot in the Pattern b/w the normal universe and
whatever place the DO came from and is now imprisoned in. Although the DO
is himself imprisoned, something is certainly "leaking out" into the
world, allowing for peculiarities specific to SG like:
The streams that make the Lurks' swords black
The beings that live there and nowhere else
The impossible clouds above the Bore itself
The danger of touching the Source (any of its varieties) nearby
The Blight
(the above list is not meant to be exhaustive, any omissions or errors I
hereby disclaim <chuckle>)
The Bore was originally drilled from the real world (not T'A'R), so this
leakage perhaps isn't happening there.
Young Michael
[related?: Are the Worms and living trees and such not in TAR because
they're domesticated (by Ishy?), similar to the s'redit and Bela?]
"Just for the sake of it, make sure you're always frowning.
It shows the world that you have substance and depth."
-- Neil Tennant: "Miserablism"
Jay Pasquantonio
Bonehead wrote:
>
> In article <Dz4tw...@midway.uchicago.edu>, ko...@midway.uchicago.edu (P.
> Korda) wrote:
>
> }No, Ohio is not the Blight.
> }
> }Ohio is Amadicia.
>
> But is Ohio better or worse than Texas?
Hmm. "Don't mess with Ohio" sounds dorky, but Ohio does have mongo
smallmouth bass, so I gotta go with the State of Hairy, Useless Nuts.
Jay Pasquantonio
(Texas has mongo largemouth bass, but I'll put a smb against a lmb of
equal to double size in a tractor pull, and I bet Truckasaurus eats them
both.)