King of Prussia signing ( slight tPoD spoilers)
sula...@my-dejanews.com
. . . . . . Well I went to the signing. A nice crowd and rather quiet.
Highlight of waiting was the mall cop roosting all the people sitting on the
floor reading as they waited. Seems it lowered the tone of the august KoP
Mall. The 'cop' explained that 'mall shoppers might get the wrong
impression'. He was a bit baffled when the guy next to me told him that
since Gene's had a policy that RJ would only be signing books bought from
their store, everyone in line was a 'shopper'.
Apparently the picture in the back flap went unnoticed. RJ sat down at the
table and few people even noticed him. I made the comment that he was there
and people kept looking around to spot him. RJ seemed rather amused by this.
Once again most people seemed reluctant to ask him any questions. Almost
everyone in front of me had their book handed to him and said thank you after
he signed it. When the first question was asked RJ actually seemed to be
relieved. Unfortunately it was impossible to hear what he did say to anyone
else.
I was able to get a few questions in. Karl-Johan I got a RAFO about the
nature of Fain. However I think I worded the question differently than we
had originally planned. Damn if I could find the paper I tok notes on before
I went to the signing.
Gender/soul rebirth he said is best illustrated by Mat and Birgitte. But he
then said that there was more to it than that. Not sure what he meant
exactly. Probably the point.
And the silly trivial 'I-just-want-to-know-without-a-doubt-question' which
almost got me more than I had planned.
I asked him whether Delana Mosalaine had been raised to the Hall as Sitter
before the Tower split or after. Karl-Johan and Jed probably recall our
analysis of the Halls a month ago.
I probably pronouced the name wrong because he just looked at me. I prompted
by saying 'Delana, the Gray Sitter who we know is Black. Siuan's old friend
from novicedom.'
RJ started to say something but was trying to find th right words when I
foolishly helped him out by saying 'Delana was raised at Salidar'. He said
yes and laughed. I tried then to follow up with asking him if she was an
important aspect of Siuan's pattern in the young Sitters. RAFO was the
response.
I may go down to my dad's tomorrow to catch him at Bailey's Crossing.
So Karl-Johan what was the third question we decided on?
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Karl-Johan Noren
sula...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
No spoilers anymore.
> I was able to get a few questions in. Karl-Johan I got a RAFO about the
> nature of Fain. However I think I worded the question differently than we
> had originally planned. Damn if I could find the paper I tok notes on before
> I went to the signing.
Well, it was deep and philosophical, so probably not best
suited for short answers. The gist of it was a distinction
between hate and evil, IIRC.
[ snip Delana ]
> I may go down to my dad's tomorrow to catch him at Bailey's Crossing.
> So Karl-Johan what was the third question we decided on?
No idea really. I didn't take notes, and it was actually Patrik
who had the most questions.
But you can ask him if the proper formal title for Birgitte
is "gaidar" :-)
--
Karl-Johan Norén (Noren with acute e) -- k-j-...@dsv.su.se
http://www.dsv.su.se/~k-j-nore/
- To believe people are as stupid as one believes is
stupider than one can believe.
Aaron Bergman
>In <7342il$oif$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
>sula...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>Well, it was deep and philosophical, so probably not best
>suited for short answers. The gist of it was a distinction
>between hate and evil, IIRC.
What sort of question was it? That seems to be one of Jordan's
major themes.
Anyways, latest theory for how the series will end:
Ishamael looked down at Rand al'Thor. The blade had broken open
the old wound and the blood was slowly running down his leg. "I
have won again Lews Therin".
Rand looked up at Ishamael with a sickly smile on his face. He
fell to his knees. With the last of his strength, he said "No,
you haven't" and, as he collapsed on the ground, the first drops
of his blood struck the rocks of Shayol Ghul.
Or something like that. I'm not a very good writer.
Aaron
Jason Atkinson
>Gender/soul rebirth he said is best illustrated by Mat and Birgitte. But he
>then said that there was more to it than that. Not sure what he meant
>exactly. Probably the point.
Guys, I think you unintentionally proved another theory. Mat's
memories must be past lives, if he thinks Mat is evidence about the
nature of soul rebirth.
Not that there was much doubt, but the theory that they are from
ancestors or random generals are popular enough to get mention on the
FAQ.
Rebel Yell
Another theory on how the series will end:
Rand will die on Shayol Ghul. His Blood on Shayol Ghul will seal in the
DO, reseal the bore as if it were never opened and, since the DO is
truly sealed in, saidin will be cleansed and the blight destroyed.
Perrin's companions (LTT 100 Companions?) will accompany him there and
defeat the trollocs and mydraal.
Logain will then wield Callendor linked with Nynaeve and another very
strong AS. Nynaeve will channel the power of Callendor to bring Rand
back from the dead.
Chewyoda
>Guys, I think you unintentionally proved another theory. Mat's
>memories must be past lives, if he thinks Mat is evidence about the
>nature of soul rebirth.
>
>Not that there was much doubt, but the theory that they are from
>ancestors or random generals are popular enough to get mention on the
>FAQ.
I thought that Mat had at least once thought that he remembered fighting on
opposite sides of the same battle. Maybe I'm growing senile earlier than
scheduled.
-Brad B.
Ranma Al'Thor
: Rand will die on Shayol Ghul. His Blood on Shayol Ghul will seal in the
: DO, reseal the bore as if it were never opened and, since the DO is
: truly sealed in, saidin will be cleansed and the blight destroyed.
: Perrin's companions (LTT 100 Companions?) will accompany him there and
: defeat the trollocs and mydraal.
: Logain will then wield Callendor linked with Nynaeve and another very
: strong AS. Nynaeve will channel the power of Callendor to bring Rand
: back from the dead.
Samitsu. She's the strongest AS healer. My own loony theory is to have
Flynn/Nynaeve/Samitsu do it. Since Flynn has the Healing Talent, and as
far as we know, Logain doesn't.
--
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"It's always a trap." --Lemon Sherbert #11
Jason Atkinson
Gary Engel
> Rebel Yell (johnn...@earthlink.net) wrote:
>
> : Rand will die on Shayol Ghul. His Blood on Shayol Ghul will seal in the
> : DO, reseal the bore as if it were never opened and, since the DO is
> : truly sealed in, saidin will be cleansed and the blight destroyed.
> : Perrin's companions (LTT 100 Companions?) will accompany him there and
> : defeat the trollocs and mydraal.
>
> : Logain will then wield Callendor linked with Nynaeve and another very
> : strong AS. Nynaeve will channel the power of Callendor to bring Rand
> : back from the dead.
>
> Samitsu. She's the strongest AS healer. My own loony theory is to have
> Flynn/Nynaeve/Samitsu do it. Since Flynn has the Healing Talent, and as
> far as we know, Logain doesn't.
>
The whole circles concept has me confused some. But I'm not sure if I'm
confused or everyone else is. Anyway...
In the previous example, it doesn't matter in the slightest if the other two
can heal well. In the BotW circle, very few of them had a clue how to
mass-change weather patterns, but did that matter?
No. If you have a circle, only the leader-person's skill matters, everyone
else is just there to add raw strength. If you put Semi in that circle but
had Nyn control the weaves, it wouldn't make the Healing any more complete or
better, it would just add that much more Power to it.
Just something I wanted to get off my chest.
Nathan Engel
Matt Fletcher
> >
> > : Rand will die on Shayol Ghul. His Blood on Shayol Ghul will seal in the
> > : DO, reseal the bore as if it were never opened and, since the DO is
> > : truly sealed in, saidin will be cleansed and the blight destroyed.
> > : Perrin's companions (LTT 100 Companions?) will accompany him there and
> > : defeat the trollocs and mydraal.
> >
the world." From when Mat went into the first gateway at the same time
as Rand and Moiraine. I've been taking this to mean that saidin will be
closed off, not cleansed.
Fletch
Ari
Matt Fletcher wrote:
I've heard the theory on the FAQ (I think) that Mat loses an eye (thus giving up
half the light in his world) and in doing so somehow saves the world. I hesitate
to comment about Randland prophecy, but I feel that vision comes closer to "light"
than Saidin is. There's also a viewing of Min's (or is it a dream of Egwene's?)
that shows Mat holding his eye on a balance, which strongly supports the whole
sacrafice-the-eye thing. Also, if Rand is being set up as the Norse god Tyr (sp?
correct god?) who loses a hand (like Frodo and Luke Skywalker), and Perrin is
being set up as Thor (hammer and axe, other stuff I'm a bit vague on), then it
only makes sense that Mat's going to lose an eye Odin-style.
On the other hand, I do believe that we have some sort of proof from PoD that
Rand asked about the taint on the other side of the Door, and got an answer, which
seems to indicate that the taint can indeed be "cured" somehow.
Lauren Kamieniecki
>
> I've heard the theory on the FAQ (I think) that Mat loses an eye (thus giving up
> half the light in his world) and in doing so somehow saves the world.
I just had the best "ah-hah!" moment!!
So here's my loony theory:
Everyone's seen "A Christmas Story" and the mom tells Ralphie "Don't shoot your eye
out!" We all know Mat is looking for Aludra on the side, presumably to find a use
for gunpowder, so perhaps when he finds Aludra via his ta'veren-ness he will
literally "shoot his eye out" Thus he will give up half the light of the world to
save the world. And being that time is a wheel and one can look both directions on a
wheel, this might explain the origins of this little phrase. But that's a real
stretch.
--
Lauren Kamieniecki
flutist, piccoloist, etc..
flut...@ix.netcom.com
Kay-Arne Hansen
Mat does remember memories from people fighting on different side in one
battle, but not memories _in_ the same battle. IIRC, the first memory
was from a military advisor. This advisor warned his ruler against
trusting some enemy king that had asked for a truce. True enough, they
were ambushed, and massacred to the last man.
The other memory was from someone witnessing the traitorous king being
killed himself. It's a little unclear when this happened, as related to
the first memory.
I'm not sure if I remember where I read it, though. I _think_ it might
have been when 'Jasin Natael' made a performance for the Aiel, singing
about the battle in question, and having it all wrong. That's what
spurred Mat's memories, IIRC.
---
KAH
Joe Shaw
> Jason Atkinson wrote:
[Does Mat have memories from different people from the same battle?]
> > No such memories exist.
> Mat does remember memories from people fighting on different side in one
> battle, but not memories _in_ the same battle. IIRC, the first memory
Make that "one WAR, but not...same battle."
> was from a military advisor. This advisor warned his ruler against
> trusting some enemy king that had asked for a truce. True enough, they
> were ambushed, and massacred to the last man.
The first memory is of Aedomon (the enemy king) with a
"glossy black beard".
> The other memory was from someone witnessing the traitorous king being
> killed himself. It's a little unclear when this happened, as related to
> the first memory.
The second memory is of Aedomon, "gray-bearded now", killed by an
"unarmored, beardless boy". Clearly, several years latter.
> I'm not sure if I remember where I read it, though. I _think_ it might
> have been when 'Jasin Natael' made a performance for the Aiel, singing
> about the battle in question, and having it all wrong. That's what
> spurred Mat's memories, IIRC.
TSR, Imre Stand. Two paragraphs after Natael's last verse.
- Joe
Ranma Al'Thor
: > > Rebel Yell (johnn...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: > >
: > > : Rand will die on Shayol Ghul. His Blood on Shayol Ghul will seal in the
: > > : DO, reseal the bore as if it were never opened and, since the DO is
: > > : truly sealed in, saidin will be cleansed and the blight destroyed.
: > > : Perrin's companions (LTT 100 Companions?) will accompany him there and
: > > : defeat the trollocs and mydraal.
: > >
: the world." From when Mat went into the first gateway at the same time
: as Rand and Moiraine. I've been taking this to mean that saidin will be
: closed off, not cleansed.
Mat will have to give up half the light of the world. I find it unlikely
that Mat would somehow seal off Saidin.
John S. Novak, III
<hans...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Mat does remember memories from people fighting on different side in one
>battle, but not memories _in_ the same battle. IIRC, the first memory
>was from a military advisor. This advisor warned his ruler against
>trusting some enemy king that had asked for a truce. True enough, they
>were ambushed, and massacred to the last man.
>The other memory was from someone witnessing the traitorous king being
>killed himself. It's a little unclear when this happened, as related to
>the first memory.
It's not unclear at all.
In the first memory, the character is not young, but the traitor is.
The character dies.
In the second memory, the character is young, the traitor is not.
Time has clearly passed, and they are clearly the memories of
different people separated in time by at least enough time for the
traitor to age visibly.
--
John S. Novak, III j...@concentric.net
The Humblest Man on the Net
David H. Siegel
>
> Matt Fletcher (fle...@pittsburgh.crosswinds.net) wrote:
> : > > Rebel Yell (johnn...@earthlink.net) wrote:
> : > >
> : > > : Rand will die on Shayol Ghul. His Blood on Shayol Ghul will seal in the
> : > > : DO, reseal the bore as if it were never opened and, since the DO is
> : > > : truly sealed in, saidin will be cleansed and the blight destroyed.
> : > > : Perrin's companions (LTT 100 Companions?) will accompany him there and
> : > > : defeat the trollocs and mydraal.
> : > >
> : Then why the line: "He will give up half the light of the world to save
> : the world." From when Mat went into the first gateway at the same time
> : as Rand and Moiraine. I've been taking this to mean that saidin will be
> : closed off, not cleansed.
>
> Mat will have to give up half the light of the world. I find it unlikely
> that Mat would somehow seal off Saidin.
My not so loony take on that was that it was equivalent to the eye on
balance scale, and was something ABOUT himself. Some say that he will
sacrifice one of his physical eyes in order to save himself, but my take
(Here's where I get loony) is that it's metaphorical.
Look:
1:He has had memory problems
2:"Thought" and "Memory" are associated with him via spear
2b:The two ravens by those names were sometimes referred to as
"Odin's Eyes"
3:Egwene's dream of Mat hazy and indistinct
4:He was hit by a wall, which could cause head trauma
Concept:
He will give up his "Memory" to preserve his "Though", i.e. he will
forget all episodic memory (memories of things and events) from ALL his
lives, including the present one, but retain all skills and abilities
(Battle command, Ashrandei use, gambling, horse-telling, OT, etc.). He
will be found by the Seanchan in this state and that will lead him,
through some events to the DotNM.
There.
Any comments?
--
David Siegel
dh...@columbia.edu
<Webpage Coming Soonish>
What was I saying again?
Jonathan Vaught
I heard a voice that sounded like David H. Siegel (dh...@columbia.edu)
chanting:
>
> My not so loony take on that was that it was equivalent to the eye on
> balance scale, and was something ABOUT himself. Some say that he will
> sacrifice one of his physical eyes in order to save himself, but my take
> (Here's where I get loony) is that it's metaphorical.
>
> Look:
> 1:He has had memory problems
> 2:"Thought" and "Memory" are associated with him via spear
> 2b:The two ravens by those names were sometimes referred to as
> "Odin's Eyes"
> 3:Egwene's dream of Mat hazy and indistinct
> 4:He was hit by a wall, which could cause head trauma
>
> Concept:
> He will give up his "Memory" to preserve his "Though", i.e. he will
> forget all episodic memory (memories of things and events) from ALL his
> lives, including the present one, but retain all skills and abilities
> (Battle command, Ashrandei use, gambling, horse-telling, OT, etc.). He
> will be found by the Seanchan in this state and that will lead him,
> through some events to the DotNM.
>
> There.
> Any comments?
Yep. The critical link is (2b). I am less than familiar with Norse
mythology, so could you cite, please?
Other than that, I think there's a decent case for it. My only other
problem is that the inscription on the ashandarei says "memory never
fades."
--
-Jonathan.
moc.ytinummocir@nahtanoj
"Things are more like they are now than they ever were before."
David H. Siegel
>
> Playing a Bee Gees record backwards on Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:49:02 -0500,
> I heard a voice that sounded like David H. Siegel (dh...@columbia.edu)
> chanting:
> >
> > Look:
> > 1:He has had memory problems
> > 2:"Thought" and "Memory" are associated with him via spear
> > 2b:The two ravens by those names were sometimes referred to as
> > "Odin's Eyes"
> Yep. The critical link is (2b). I am less than familiar with Norse
> mythology, so could you cite, please?
> Other than that, I think there's a decent case for it. My only other
> problem is that the inscription on the ashandarei says "memory never
> fades."
> --
I could go semantic here and say "Fade" is different from "Get Erased",
but that's not the point and isn't a good argument anyway. As far as the
poem on the asharandei, I'm just assuming its metaphorical.
For a cite, sorry, none available at this moment. I will, however, give
a summation:
Odin had two ravens who perched on his shoulder and acted as his eyes in
the world, constantly flitting about faster than anything else and
bringing him information. These ravens were called "Thought" and
"Memory".
Johan Gustafsson
> Aaron Bergman wrote:
> >
> > In article <wk1zmy8...@dsv.su.se>, Karl-Johan Noren wrote:
> > >In <7342il$oif$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > >sula...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > >
> > >Well, it was deep and philosophical, so probably not best
> > >suited for short answers. The gist of it was a distinction
> > >between hate and evil, IIRC.
> >
> > What sort of question was it? That seems to be one of Jordan's
> > major themes.
> >
> > Anyways, latest theory for how the series will end:
> >
> > Ishamael looked down at Rand al'Thor. The blade had broken open
> > the old wound and the blood was slowly running down his leg. "I
> > have won again Lews Therin".
> >
> > Rand looked up at Ishamael with a sickly smile on his face. He
> > fell to his knees. With the last of his strength, he said "No,
> > you haven't" and, as he collapsed on the ground, the first drops
> > of his blood struck the rocks of Shayol Ghul.
> >
> > Or something like that. I'm not a very good writer.
> >
> > Aaron
>
> Another theory on how the series will end:
>
> DO, reseal the bore as if it were never opened and, since the DO is
> truly sealed in, saidin will be cleansed and the blight destroyed.
> Perrin's companions (LTT 100 Companions?) will accompany him there and
> defeat the trollocs and mydraal.
>
> strong AS. Nynaeve will channel the power of Callendor to bring Rand
> back from the dead.
>
Nah, I've got another one:
From the last chapter of "The Final Dawn":
"As the last traces of his presence vanished, Rand saw the Dark One's
touch slowly disappear. And as the dark, hovering clouds thinned out,
Rand's hands and face were warmed by a soft stream of light. Clutching
his side, Rand tried to forget the pain, as he raised his head. The sun
rose over the blasted lands. Dawn had come to Shayol Ghul. The Prince of
the Dawn laughed softly. Every book he had read, every translation, none
of them had told him the whole truth.
And, there and then, in an Age once known as the Third Age, but never again,
in an Age long ago that had finally come, a wind rose from the slopes of
Shayol Ghul. Upward it blew, catching dark banners and myrddraal cloaks.
That which once had hindered it was no more. The wind blew away that smoke
which had emerged during those horrific minutes of despair, when death
seemed to grasp the heart of the Dragon. And so it was that the wind
reached a young man with dark reddish hair, in a dirty and tattered coat,
who spread his arms and laughed in pure joy.
Rand al'Thor sighed a deep sigh and began to walk down the slope. As he
scurried down the narrow path, he could hear footsteps behind him. With a
smile, he turned around to tell the good news - and his face paled at the
sight.
"No! Not you!"
Ending prophecy/history:
And so it was that the Dragon defeated the Dark One and sealed him away.
The wind returned to the land, the springs once again flowed and the
land became rich with crops. But the Dragon himself was never found,
and no one knew his fate. Many were the theories of his death, and those
who believed one thing could seldom prove their beliefs against those
who thought otherwise. So the people called to the Creator, begging him
to speak of the Dragon's fate. The Creator smiled at them and said:
"Read and find out."
The End of the Wheel of Time series"
Johan Gustafsson
e98...@efd.lth.se
Raohlin
>> 1:He has had memory problems
>> 2:"Thought" and "Memory" are associated with him via spear
>> 2b:The two ravens by those names were sometimes referred to as
>> "Odin's Eyes"
Didn't Odin have only one eye? After getting
pinned to Yggdrassil, the tree of knowledge
or something? I'm really bad with the Norse
mythology, in case you couldn't tell... So is
this some sorta like between Mat and the Norse?
Alex "something about Hellhounds" Terzic