A Letter from RJ
Paul Ward
writing a letter to RJ to ask him some questions and asked if anyone
had anything they wanted to ask. Well, I had been hoping for some
sort of response within 6-8 months, but it didn't happen. I then went
away for 2 years. I was recently going through some boxes of stuff
that my parents had saved/received for me and found RJ's response. I
was quite surprised. My parents had never told me it had come. It is
dated in March of 2000, about a year after I wrote to him.
Since the letter I wrote him seems to be missing from my computer, we
can only try to guess what it was I asked him, but following are some
answers and some possible questions that prompted them. For complete
answers on a topic, email me.
(Possible questions: Does balefire affect itself? Can you balefire
balefire? If you balefire another person, but then you get balefired,
what happens to the person you balefire?)
1) "The balefire weave exists wholly or partly outside time, which
removes it from its own effect."
-- This would have been helpful back during the balefire physics
debates.
(Possible question: Who killed Asmodean?)
2) "I really think that the best suggestion for the murderer of
Asmodean was that it was Moiraine acting under Compulsion imposed by
Bela. Of course, that is not the answer, but it is the best
suggestion from a fan."
--I can't remember who suggested that. It's the *best* suggestion?
(Possible question: Why did the ter'angreal doorway burn down when
Lanfear and Moiraine passed through?)
3) "When Moiraine and Lanfear went through the ter'angreal, it burned
in part because both were channeling, and the world on the other side
of the doorway has a radically different set of natural laws. The odd
optical effects witnessed in that other world are not artificially
produced artifacts." (complete answer)
--The laws for channelling are different on the other side of the
doorway...interesting.
(Possible question: What's up with the Accepted test ter'angreal?)
4) "Anyone being tested is merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever she
is in [another reality.]"
-- Therefore, though Sharina may be a real person, it doesn't mean
anything in terms of her future advising to the Malkier throne.
(Possible question: Languages/accents?)
5) Seanchan -> Texas accent. TwoRivers->Irish/English accent.
Illianers -> Dutch. Aiel -> somewhat Slavic. Tairen -> Spanish.
Domani->Indian. Saldaean -> Egyptian/North African.
(Possible question: How did the 100 Companions link to make the seals
on the DO's prison?)
6) "... they did not do it linked. They worked together individually,
which made it more difficult, and that is part of the reason the seals
have weakened so quickly. I never meant to imply linking. It is
possible for large numbers to do a large project without linking,
although it is more easily done in a circle."
(Possible question: Someone found a "Master Knifemaker" Herron. Was
he the inspiration for heron-mark blades?)
7) "No... I am not familiar with him at all."
(Possible question: Is the DO pure TP? Why does the Creator ignore
Randland except to talk to Rand at the end of TEotW?)
8) "No, the Dark One is not pure True Power. Who says the Creator
takes little interest in the activities of mankind? And I will
neither confirm nor deny that the Creator spoke to Rand."
-- Neither confirm nor deny? What's up with that?
(Possible question: ??)
9) "The taint and the True Power are both manifestations of the Dark
One -- they are the same substance, but those who access it are not
destroyed in the same way."
-- This would have been helpful -- but then again, may not -- during
the taint theory debates.
There were a few other minor things as well, and of course:
(Lots of other questions)
10) "RAFO."
Enjoy.
--
Paul Ward
wedopwardn...@everjuno.com
Jeen Broekstra
> Illianers -> Dutch.
That do be ridiculous.
J1
--
Jeen Broekstra jbr...@cs.vu.nl
He travels the fastest who travels alone.
-- Rudyard Kipling
Johan Gustafsson
perverted...
> Nearly 3 years ago I had posted the group saying I was planning on
> writing a letter to RJ to ask him some questions and asked if anyone
> had anything they wanted to ask. Well, I had been hoping for some
> sort of response within 6-8 months, but it didn't happen. I then went
> away for 2 years. I was recently going through some boxes of stuff
> that my parents had saved/received for me and found RJ's response. I
> was quite surprised. My parents had never told me it had come. It is
> dated in March of 2000, about a year after I wrote to him.
Hey, some of this is pretty damn interesting.
> (Possible question: Languages/accents?)
> 5) Seanchan -> Texas accent. TwoRivers->Irish/English accent.
> Illianers -> Dutch. Aiel -> somewhat Slavic. Tairen -> Spanish.
> Domani->Indian. Saldaean -> Egyptian/North African.
Ah, nice. Been wondering about that myself.
"Y'all bow down to the Empress of the Seanchan, y'hear!"
--
Johan Gustafsson *** j...@e-bostad.net
Fight, Rand al'Thor! For everlasting peace!
Mark Erikson
"Paul Ward" <wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> (Possible question: What's up with the Accepted test ter'angreal?)
> 4) "Anyone being tested is merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever she
> is in [another reality.]"
> -- Therefore, though Sharina may be a real person, it doesn't mean
> anything in terms of her future advising to the Malkier throne.
That's just strange.
It kind of twists most of my theories about the dream ter'angreal and the
test ter'angreal interracting in strange directions. What _was_ going on
there then? If the people are jumping into portal stone-style possible
realities, did the dream ter'angreal just bring Egwene's future reality
'closer to home'?
And WTF was up with Nynaeve's maze reality?
-Mark Erikson
Frank van Schie
Jeen Broekstra wrote:
>
> Paul Ward wrote:
>
> > Illianers -> Dutch.
>
> That do be ridiculous.
I would no trust that bit of info if it did be claimed by my own aged
grandmother.
--
Frank
John S. Novak, III
> 3) "When Moiraine and Lanfear went through the ter'angreal, it burned
> in part because both were channeling, and the world on the other side
> of the doorway has a radically different set of natural laws. The odd
> optical effects witnessed in that other world are not artificially
> produced artifacts." (complete answer)
> --The laws for channelling are different on the other side of the
> doorway...interesting.
I would think that a radically different geometry, which is definitely
sufficient to produce the optical effects see, would also be enough to
screw up what seems to be a geometrically based system of magic--
weaves must almost certainly depend on geometry, from the way they're
described.
Which makes one wonder how Rand survived.
--
John S. Novak, III j...@cegt201.bradley.edu
The Humblest Man on the Net
The Great Gray Skwid
> Hey, some of this is pretty damn interesting.
I'll second that! Thanks for sharing, Paul.
> > (Possible question: Languages/accents?)
> > 5) Seanchan -> Texas accent. TwoRivers->Irish/English accent.
> > Illianers -> Dutch. Aiel -> somewhat Slavic. Tairen -> Spanish.
> > Domani->Indian. Saldaean -> Egyptian/North African.
> Ah, nice. Been wondering about that myself.
Indeed. Very nifty.
> "Y'all bow down to the Empress of the Seanchan, y'hear!"
Hehehe.
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Jasper Janssen
<wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
>Nearly 3 years ago I had posted the group saying I was planning on
>writing a letter to RJ to ask him some questions and asked if anyone
>had anything they wanted to ask. Well, I had been hoping for some
>sort of response within 6-8 months, but it didn't happen. I then went
>away for 2 years. I was recently going through some boxes of stuff
>that my parents had saved/received for me and found RJ's response. I
>was quite surprised. My parents had never told me it had come. It is
>dated in March of 2000, about a year after I wrote to him.
Nice turnaround time.
>(Possible question: Who killed Asmodean?)
>2) "I really think that the best suggestion for the murderer of
>Asmodean was that it was Moiraine acting under Compulsion imposed by
>Bela. Of course, that is not the answer, but it is the best
>suggestion from a fan."
>--I can't remember who suggested that. It's the *best* suggestion?
If best means funniest, probably.
>(Possible question: Languages/accents?)
>5) Seanchan -> Texas accent. TwoRivers->Irish/English accent.
>Illianers -> Dutch. Aiel -> somewhat Slavic. Tairen -> Spanish.
>Domani->Indian. Saldaean -> Egyptian/North African.
Crap. Doomed I be to be going to talk like this, forever I be doomed.
What about Ogier?
>(Possible question: Is the DO pure TP? Why does the Creator ignore
>Randland except to talk to Rand at the end of TEotW?)
>8) "No, the Dark One is not pure True Power. Who says the Creator
>takes little interest in the activities of mankind? And I will
>neither confirm nor deny that the Creator spoke to Rand."
>-- Neither confirm nor deny? What's up with that?
RAFO in armyspeak.
Jasper
Jason Denzel
transcript maybe?
Thanks again
JWD
Leigh Butler
<wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
> (Possible question: Who killed Asmodean?)
> 2) "I really think that the best suggestion for the murderer of
> Asmodean was that it was Moiraine acting under Compulsion imposed by
> Bela. Of course, that is not the answer, but it is the best
> suggestion from a fan."
> --I can't remember who suggested that. It's the *best* suggestion?
The one that amused him the most, I expect.
> (Possible question: Why did the ter'angreal doorway burn down when
> Lanfear and Moiraine passed through?)
> 3) "When Moiraine and Lanfear went through the ter'angreal, it burned
> in part because both were channeling, and the world on the other side
> of the doorway has a radically different set of natural laws. The odd
> optical effects witnessed in that other world are not artificially
> produced artifacts." (complete answer)
> --The laws for channelling are different on the other side of the
> doorway...interesting.
Yeah, interesting that apparently those alternate laws didn't seem to
give Rand a problem in TSR...
Still, in some ways this is obvious, and I think most of us have always
assumed that a different set of rules applied in Finnland. Of course,
until we learn what some of those alternate laws actually are, it's
fairly useless information.
> (Possible question: What's up with the Accepted test ter'angreal?)
> 4) "Anyone being tested is merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever she
> is in [another reality.]"
This answer makes no grammatical sense. The testee is riding on whoever
she is in? Am I the only one blinking at that?
Is this what he wrote to you verbatim?
> -- Therefore, though Sharina may be a real person, it doesn't mean
> anything in terms of her future advising to the Malkier throne.
Personally, I never thought it did mean that.
> (Possible question: Languages/accents?)
> 5) Seanchan -> Texas accent. TwoRivers->Irish/English accent.
> Illianers -> Dutch. Aiel -> somewhat Slavic. Tairen -> Spanish.
> Domani->Indian. Saldaean -> Egyptian/North African.
Now _that's_ interesting.
A Texas drawl? I like it. I never did have a handle on what the Seanchan
were supposed to sound like. And I have heard a Brit of my acquaintance
claim he cannot understand a word a thick-accented Texan (or Southerner)
is saying, so it works.
Though some of these these fuck considerably with our nice little
nations comparison in the FAQ...Illianers sound Dutch? I suppose they
could sound Dutch and still be modeled after Mediterranean cultures...
> (Possible question: Someone found a "Master Knifemaker" Herron. Was
> he the inspiration for heron-mark blades?)
> 7) "No... I am not familiar with him at all."
Are you being serious or facetious about your guess on what the question
was? Just curious.
> (Possible question: Is the DO pure TP? Why does the Creator ignore
> Randland except to talk to Rand at the end of TEotW?)
> 8) "No, the Dark One is not pure True Power. Who says the Creator
> takes little interest in the activities of mankind? And I will
> neither confirm nor deny that the Creator spoke to Rand."
> -- Neither confirm nor deny? What's up with that?
He's being coy. Though really, who the fuck else could it have been?'
Thanks for posting this.
--
Leigh Butler leigh_...@paramount.com
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Kevin Bartlett
Leigh Butler <leigh_...@paramount.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:03:53 GMT, Paul Ward
><wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
>> (Possible question: Why did the ter'angreal doorway burn down when
>> Lanfear and Moiraine passed through?)
>> 3) "When Moiraine and Lanfear went through the ter'angreal, it burned
>> in part because both were channeling, and the world on the other side
>> of the doorway has a radically different set of natural laws. The odd
>> optical effects witnessed in that other world are not artificially
>> produced artifacts." (complete answer)
>> --The laws for channelling are different on the other side of the
>> doorway...interesting.
>Yeah, interesting that apparently those alternate laws didn't seem to
>give Rand a problem in TSR...
>Still, in some ways this is obvious, and I think most of us have always
>assumed that a different set of rules applied in Finnland.
Well, it's obvious that *'finn-land has a different set of rules, but
it's _not_ obvious that those different "rules", combined with their
channelling, is what caused the ter'angreal to combust. I had always
thought it was obvious that the cause was an *'angreal interaction.
Jordan has been hitting us over the head with the fact that they can
interact violently, and here we have two people grappling for
channeling-control over an angreal toppling through a ter'angreal. I
thought it was fairly cut and dry. Now we're supposed to accept that
the "rules" governing channelling are different in *'finn-land, and
yet not different enough to have caused Rand problems? Sheesh...
Kevinrude
--
klba...@u.washington.edu - Dovie'andi se tovya sagain.
P. Korda
><wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
>> (Possible question: Why did the ter'angreal doorway burn down when
>> Lanfear and Moiraine passed through?)
>> 3) "When Moiraine and Lanfear went through the ter'angreal, it burned
>> in part because both were channeling, and the world on the other side
>> of the doorway has a radically different set of natural laws. The odd
[...]
>Yeah, interesting that apparently those alternate laws didn't seem to
>give Rand a problem in TSR...
Well, one explanation is that, at the time, Rand was channelling by
instinct, not in any methodical way. This might have made it easier
for him to adapt to different physical laws, unlike trained
channellers Moiraine and Lanfear, who consciously tried to do things
the "normal" way.
>> (Possible question: What's up with the Accepted test ter'angreal?)
>> 4) "Anyone being tested is merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever she
>> is in [another reality.]"
>
>This answer makes no grammatical sense. The testee is riding on whoever
>she is in? Am I the only one blinking at that?
Makes sense to me. Sounds like voodoo (wherein people can serve as
"horses" for beings from the spirit world). Think of it as posession:
the "alternate world" person is temporarily taken over by the testee's
personality. Like in _Quantum Leap_.
>> (Possible question: Languages/accents?)
>> 5) Seanchan -> Texas accent. TwoRivers->Irish/English accent.
>> Illianers -> Dutch. Aiel -> somewhat Slavic. Tairen -> Spanish.
>> Domani->Indian. Saldaean -> Egyptian/North African.
>Though some of these these fuck considerably with our nice little
>nations comparison in the FAQ...Illianers sound Dutch? I suppose they
>could sound Dutch and still be modeled after Mediterranean cultures...
Well, that goes without saying. All of RJ's nations are a mishmash of
real-world cultures. Look at the Aiel: Irish-Bedouin Zulus, for Pete's
sake.
-pam
Jean D
>
> It is dated in March of 2000, about a year after I wrote to him.
From what I read from other people who received answers to their letters
to RJ, this delay seems to be the norm.
> (Possible question: Who killed Asmodean?)
> 2) "I really think that the best suggestion for the murderer of
> Asmodean was that it was Moiraine acting under Compulsion imposed by
> Bela. Of course, that is not the answer, but it is the best
> suggestion from a fan."
> --I can't remember who suggested that. It's the *best* suggestion?
This is sarcasm instead of just answering RAFO. However, this answer
could be interpreted as ruling out Moiraine, who was the choice of some
people.
> (Possible question: Is the DO pure TP? Why does the Creator ignore
> Randland except to talk to Rand at the end of TEotW?)
> 8) "No, the Dark One is not pure True Power. Who says the Creator
> takes little interest in the activities of mankind? And I will
> neither confirm nor deny that the Creator spoke to Rand."
> -- Neither confirm nor deny? What's up with that?
Make your choice:
1- This is just another fancy way of answering RAFO and it will all make
sense when the series is completed.
2- He would rather not talk about it because whatever he had in mind at
that time doesn't fit anymore with the ulterior concepts he developed
for the series.
3- He doesn't have the slightest idea why he wrote this passage.
--
Jean
Jim Meulendyke
Leigh Butler <leigh_...@paramount.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.165c56f4e...@news.cis.dfn.de...<snip>
> > (Possible question: Is the DO pure TP? Why does the Creator ignore
> > Randland except to talk to Rand at the end of TEotW?)
> > 8) "No, the Dark One is not pure True Power. Who says the Creator
> > takes little interest in the activities of mankind? And I will
> > neither confirm nor deny that the Creator spoke to Rand."
> > -- Neither confirm nor deny? What's up with that?
>
> He's being coy. Though really, who the fuck else could it have been?'
>
>
how much fun is it when the author tells you exactly what is meant by every
line? He probably put the lines in there for people to read into.
Jean D
>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:03:53 GMT, Paul Ward
> <wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
>
> > 3) "When Moiraine and Lanfear went through the ter'angreal, it burned
> > in part because both were channeling, and the world on the other side
> > of the doorway has a radically different set of natural laws. The odd
> > optical effects witnessed in that other world are not artificially
> > produced artifacts." (complete answer)
>
> give Rand a problem in TSR...
>
> Still, in some ways this is obvious, and I think most of us have always
> assumed that a different set of rules applied in Finnland. Of course,
> until we learn what some of those alternate laws actually are, it's
> fairly useless information.
It can be amusing to imagine what they could be. For example, snce Mat
walked in a straight line but at the same time seemed to be going in
circles, perhaps a channeler who directs a weave at someone else will
actually hit herself.
> > (Possible question: What's up with the Accepted test ter'angreal?)
> > 4) "Anyone being tested is merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever she
> > is in [another reality.]"
>
> This answer makes no grammatical sense. The testee is riding on whoever
> she is in? Am I the only one blinking at that?
The testee is visiting or riding on whoever-she-is-in-another-reality.
She is temporarily placed in the situation of her alter ego who "lives"
in this alternate reality.
> > (Possible question: Is the DO pure TP? Why does the Creator ignore
> > Randland except to talk to Rand at the end of TEotW?)
> > 8) "No, the Dark One is not pure True Power. Who says the Creator
> > takes little interest in the activities of mankind? And I will
> > neither confirm nor deny that the Creator spoke to Rand."
> > -- Neither confirm nor deny? What's up with that?
>
> He's being coy. Though really, who the fuck else could it have been?'
The usual list of possibilities: Ishamael, Rand hearing voices, LTT, the
DO, a communication not adressed to Rand, etc. It can be noted that the
answer, as it is worded, doesn't even confirm or deny than anyone at all
spoke to Rand.
--
Jean
Jean D
>
> Look at the Aiel: Irish-Bedouin Zulus, for Pete's sake.
Irish-Bedouin-American-Indian-Zulus speaking with a slavic accent, now.
--
Jean
Michael Hoye
Given that, no wonder their rituals are completely incomprehensible.
--
Mike Hoye
Leigh Butler
wrote:
> In article <MPG.165c56f4e...@news.cis.dfn.de>,
> Leigh Butler <leigh_...@paramount.com> wrote:
> >On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:03:53 GMT, Paul Ward
> ><wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
>
> >> (Possible question: Why did the ter'angreal doorway burn down when
> >> Lanfear and Moiraine passed through?)
> >> 3) "When Moiraine and Lanfear went through the ter'angreal, it burned
> >> in part because both were channeling, and the world on the other side
> >> of the doorway has a radically different set of natural laws. The odd
> [...]
>
> >Yeah, interesting that apparently those alternate laws didn't seem to
> >give Rand a problem in TSR...
>
> Well, one explanation is that, at the time, Rand was channelling by
> instinct, not in any methodical way. This might have made it easier
> for him to adapt to different physical laws, unlike trained
> channellers Moiraine and Lanfear, who consciously tried to do things
> the "normal" way.
Enh. My impression is that a weave of Fire is a weave of Fire,
regardless of whether you were formally taught it or stumbled upon it by
trial and error. If the weaves work differently in *finnland, they
should work differently for everyone.
*shrug* One can always resort to the ta'veren bolthole and let it go. Or
RAFO and see if we get a decent rationalization.
> >> (Possible question: What's up with the Accepted test ter'angreal?)
> >> 4) "Anyone being tested is merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever she
> >> is in [another reality.]"
> >
> >This answer makes no grammatical sense. The testee is riding on whoever
> >she is in? Am I the only one blinking at that?
>
> Makes sense to me. Sounds like voodoo (wherein people can serve as
> "horses" for beings from the spirit world). Think of it as posession:
> the "alternate world" person is temporarily taken over by the testee's
> personality. Like in _Quantum Leap_.
Ahhhhhhhh. Comprehension dawns.
> >> (Possible question: Languages/accents?)
> >> 5) Seanchan -> Texas accent. TwoRivers->Irish/English accent.
> >> Illianers -> Dutch. Aiel -> somewhat Slavic. Tairen -> Spanish.
> >> Domani->Indian. Saldaean -> Egyptian/North African.
>
> >Though some of these these fuck considerably with our nice little
> >nations comparison in the FAQ...Illianers sound Dutch? I suppose they
> >could sound Dutch and still be modeled after Mediterranean cultures...
>
> Well, that goes without saying. All of RJ's nations are a mishmash of
> real-world cultures. Look at the Aiel: Irish-Bedouin Zulus, for Pete's
> sake.
Yeah. The Dutch thing just made me blink, though. I did no be aware that
the Dutch did be having odd verb formations...
I'm also slightly embarrassed to admit that I have absolutely no clue
what a Dutch accent sounds like. I keep hearing something German
(probably because there's a guy I work with who's from Munich).
("Ya, I am Inga from Sveden."
"But you're wearing lederhosen...")
Leigh Butler
wrote:
> Leigh Butler a ecrit:
> >
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:03:53 GMT, Paul Ward
> > <wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
<snip>
> > > takes little interest in the activities of mankind? And I will
> > > neither confirm nor deny that the Creator spoke to Rand."
> > > -- Neither confirm nor deny? What's up with that?
> >
> > He's being coy. Though really, who the fuck else could it have been?'
>
> The usual list of possibilities: Ishamael, Rand hearing voices, LTT, the
> DO, a communication not adressed to Rand, etc. It can be noted that the
> answer, as it is worded, doesn't even confirm or deny than anyone at all
> spoke to Rand.
It was way too early for Rand to be hearing voices, not to mention the
fact that during that fight he was using untainted saidin from the Eye,
IIRC, so there's no reason for him to be exhibiting insanity.
LTT has never spoken in all-caps, and since I subscribe to the "memories
are real but persona is result of madness" theory, it's too early for
him to show up as well. Not to mention the voice was way too sane to be
LTT, anyway.
If it was a communication not addressed to Rand, why did it respond to
his direct question (however obscurely)?
And IMO it makes precisely zero sense to suppose the voice was Ishy or
anybody working for the Shadow, much less the DO. I'd have to reread the
chapter to give you a specific argument why, but my immediate response
to the suggestion is a resounding "pshaw".
IYAM, it was the Creator, and an example of playing your trump card too
early in the game for fear you won't be dealt another hand.
Mitchell Swan
Leigh Butler wrote:
>
<snip-a-lot>
> I'm also slightly embarrassed to admit that I have absolutely no clue
> what a Dutch accent sounds like. I keep hearing something German
> (probably because there's a guy I work with who's from Munich).
>
> ("Ya, I am Inga from Sveden."
> "But you're wearing lederhosen...")
>
Beef-Jerky time!
--
Mitch
Aaron F. Bourque
>In article <dkrI7.10968$RG1.5...@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>,
>Paul Ward wrote:
>
>> 3) "When Moiraine and Lanfear went through the
>> ter'angreal, it burned in part because both were channeling,
>> and the world on the other side of the doorway has a
>> radically different set of natural laws. The odd optical
>> effects witnessed in that other world are not artificially
>> produced artifacts." (complete answer) --The laws for
>> channelling are different on the other side of the
>> doorway...interesting.
>
>I would think that a radically different geometry, which is
>definitely sufficient to produce the optical effects see, would
>also be enough to screw up what seems to be a
>geometrically based system of magic--weaves must almost
>certainly depend on geometry, from the way they're
>described.
>
>Which makes one wonder how Rand survived.
He was still weaving on instinct back then, wasn't he? The
flamesword weave he does has always been described as
just springing into his hand. Maybe, since he's never seen the
weaves to produce it, the weave doesn't matter?
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque
--
http://delinquents.keenspace.com/d/20010703.html
Damn the tree and all its kind!
Nothing's impossible in the hot soul.
Jack V.
<leigh_...@paramount.com> was seen to state:
>On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:03:53 GMT, Paul Ward
><wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
><snip>
>
>> (Possible question: What's up with the Accepted test ter'angreal?)
>> 4) "Anyone being tested is merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever she
>> is in [another reality.]"
>
>This answer makes no grammatical sense. The testee is riding on whoever
>she is in? Am I the only one blinking at that?
Try: "Anyone being tested is merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever
she is {in [another reality]}.
Makes perfect sense to me.
>
>Is this what he wrote to you verbatim?
>
The brackets would seem to indicate that the [another reality.] has
been changed...
--
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John S. Novak, III
>> 4) "Anyone being tested is merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever she
>> is in [another reality.]"
>
> This answer makes no grammatical sense. The testee is riding on whoever
> she is in? Am I the only one blinking at that?
Makes perfect sense.
Different versions of you exist in different worlds.
When you go through the Golden Arches, you become a perceptual rider
on three of those different versions of you.
Paul Ward
news:gj65vtosigmmj55cb...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:03:53 GMT, "Paul Ward"
> <wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
>
> >It is
> >dated in March of 2000, about a year after I wrote to him.
>
> Nice turnaround time.
Well, he did apologize. Something about being busy finishing writing
some book, guide to the series to which said book pertained, and short
story set in said book's universe. Go figure.
--
Paul Ward
wedopwardn...@everjuno.com
Paul Ward
news:fa2650f4.01111...@posting.google.com...
> Awesome. Thanks for sharing that with us. Any way we can get a full
> transcript maybe?
You think I'm going to do that? With the copyright thread just barely
in its last death throes?
Besides, I'd never planned on giving a full transcript and I still
don't. If anything comes up in the group that there's info in the
letter about, I'll post it to the group. The rest of it is stuff that
I really don't expect to come up in the group nor to be of enough
interest to the group.
--
Paul Ward
wedopwardn...@everjuno.com
Paul Ward
> <wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
>
> > (Possible question: What's up with the Accepted test
ter'angreal?)
> > 4) "Anyone being tested is merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever
she
> > is in [another reality.]"
>
> This answer makes no grammatical sense. The testee is riding on
whoever
> she is in? Am I the only one blinking at that?
>
> Is this what he wrote to you verbatim?
"The places that novices visit while testing for Accepted are other
realities, but it's not quite that simple. Anyone being tested is
merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever she is in that world. Some of
those who have not come back have died, and some have become absorbed
in the different reality, but that is not to say that they are still
alive in any sense that we would recognize. You really don't want to
stay in the other reality, no matter how terrific it might seem."
Verbatim. Everything he said about the Accepted test ter'angreal.
> > (Possible question: Someone found a "Master Knifemaker" Herron.
Was
> > he the inspiration for heron-mark blades?)
> > 7) "No... I am not familiar with him at all."
>
> Are you being serious or facetious about your guess on what the
question
> was? Just curious.
Serious. The ellipsis ("...") indicates I took something out. Since
that something was given in the question, I saw no reason to repeat
it.
Someone out there had suggested this theory at one point, but no one
could say. A search on google on Master Knifemaker Herron reveals he
is a real knifemaker. A search on dejanews reveals a reference in a
post dated 27-Jun-00 about the theory and more info on Mr. Herron.
> Thanks for posting this.
You're welcome.
--
Paul Ward
wedopwardn...@everjuno.com
Dave Hemming
<leigh_...@paramount.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:03:53 GMT, Paul Ward
><wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
[snip]
>> neither confirm nor deny that the Creator spoke to Rand."
>> -- Neither confirm nor deny? What's up with that?
>
>He's being coy. Though really, who the fuck else could it have been?'
The Dark One talking to Ishamael and Rand overhearing? The Dark One
talking to Rand? Ishamael talking to Rand?
Really, what's said is so vague it could have been the ghost of The
Green Man.
Dave
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Frank van Schie
Leigh Butler wrote:
> [snip]
> > Well, that goes without saying. All of RJ's nations are a mishmash of
> > real-world cultures. Look at the Aiel: Irish-Bedouin Zulus, for Pete's
> > sake.
>
> Yeah. The Dutch thing just made me blink, though. I did no be aware that
> the Dutch did be having odd verb formations...
Oh, we do. Just not when speaking English.
<example:>
We would however weird sentence constructions have. Now I it about
think, we sound a bit like Yoda on a bad day.
</example>
> I'm also slightly embarrassed to admit that I have absolutely no clue
> what a Dutch accent sounds like. I keep hearing something German
> (probably because there's a guy I work with who's from Munich).
I don't think so, but then, I'm biased. Okay, lemme go scrounge up a
really horrid Dutch accent.
Okay, some very exaggerated (but surprisingly accurate) Dutch accents
from Shogun: Total War at http://home.wanadoo.nl/fvschie/Dutch
Mind you, it's very exaggerated, probably on the level of Fawlty Towers'
Manuel ("I'm from Barcelona!").
> ("Ya, I am Inga from Sveden."
> "But you're wearing lederhosen...")
No no no, that's all wrong. Inga should not wear lederhosen at all.
--
Frank
Jennifer Winters
> Leigh Butler wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > Well, that goes without saying. All of RJ's nations are a
mishmash of
> > > real-world cultures. Look at the Aiel: Irish-Bedouin Zulus, for
Pete's
> > > sake.
> >
> > Yeah. The Dutch thing just made me blink, though. I did no be
aware that
> > the Dutch did be having odd verb formations...
>
> Oh, we do. Just not when speaking English.
>
> <example:>
> We would however weird sentence constructions have. Now I it about
> think, we sound a bit like Yoda on a bad day.
> </example>
<curious> Why doesn't the second half of that sentence go: "we a bit
like Yoda on a bad day sound.", then?
> > I'm also slightly embarrassed to admit that I have absolutely no
clue
> > what a Dutch accent sounds like. I keep hearing something German
> > (probably because there's a guy I work with who's from Munich).
>
> I don't think so, but then, I'm biased. Okay, lemme go scrounge up a
> really horrid Dutch accent.
>
> Okay, some very exaggerated (but surprisingly accurate) Dutch
accents
> from Shogun: Total War at http://home.wanadoo.nl/fvschie/Dutch
Dude, that's just, like, cool.
<snip>
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Frank van Schie
Jennifer Winters wrote:
>
> > <example:>
> > We would however weird sentence constructions have. Now I it about
> > think, we sound a bit like Yoda on a bad day.
> > </example>
>
> <curious> Why doesn't the second half of that sentence go: "we a bit
> like Yoda on a bad day sound.", then?
Because Dutch people are not, contrary to popular belief, bald green
knee-high muppets?
(on most days)
And I did say "a bit", right? :-)
> > I don't think so, but then, I'm biased. Okay, lemme go scrounge up a
> > really horrid Dutch accent.
> >
> > Okay, some very exaggerated (but surprisingly accurate) Dutch
> accents
> > from Shogun: Total War at http://home.wanadoo.nl/fvschie/Dutch
>
> Dude, that's just, like, cool.
Yeah. Uhuh. As cool as... as...
--
Frank
(why am I thinking of Urkel?)
Mark Loy
<wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
> "Leigh Butler" <leigh_...@paramount.com> wrote in message
> > Are you being serious or facetious about your guess on what the
> question
> > was? Just curious.
>
> Serious. The ellipsis ("...") indicates I took something out. Since
> that something was given in the question, I saw no reason to repeat
> it.
>
> Someone out there had suggested this theory at one point, but no one
> could say. A search on google on Master Knifemaker Herron reveals he
> is a real knifemaker. A search on dejanews reveals a reference in a
> post dated 27-Jun-00 about the theory and more info on Mr. Herron.
FWIW/FYI I was the person who first posted about the Master Knifemaker
Herron. I was flipping through the TV channels one day and got to some
"Discovery" channel or Public station or what have you and they were doing
a show on this person. Fascinating stuff and I immediately wrote a post
to the group asking if that might not have been where RJ got the idea.
ML
Jennifer Winters
> Jennifer Winters wrote:
> >
> > > <example:>
> > > We would however weird sentence constructions have. Now I it
about
> > > think, we sound a bit like Yoda on a bad day.
> > > </example>
> >
> > <curious> Why doesn't the second half of that sentence go: "we a
bit
> > like Yoda on a bad day sound.", then?
>
> Because Dutch people are not, contrary to popular belief, bald green
> knee-high muppets?
>
> (on most days)
>
> And I did say "a bit", right? :-)
Errr, right. So is it the right bit that sounds like Yoda or the left
bit? And if it's the left bit, how do you know that it is, in fact,
the right bit? And if the left bit is the right bit then isn't the
right bit the left bit? And then you're standing there with your bits
all mixed up going "Is this the bit that like Yoda sounds?". And then
your Yoda bit decides to bite, and now your left bit has bit you and
you're not so sure anymore if it's the left bit which is right, or
maybe the rigth bit is right, but at any rate you're not going to
write any more of this because you are so confused...
(Must stop, head spinning.)
> > > I don't think so, but then, I'm biased. Okay, lemme go scrounge
up a
> > > really horrid Dutch accent.
> > >
> > > Okay, some very exaggerated (but surprisingly accurate) Dutch
> > accents
> > > from Shogun: Total War at http://home.wanadoo.nl/fvschie/Dutch
> >
> > Dude, that's just, like, cool.
>
> Yeah. Uhuh. As cool as... as...
>
> (why am I thinking of Urkel?)
You shouldn't be. I was being perfectly serious. That is a cool
accent.
Frank van Schie
Jennifer Winters wrote:
>
> > > > <example:>
> > > > We would however weird sentence constructions have. Now I it
> > > > about think, we sound a bit like Yoda on a bad day.
> > > > </example>
> > >
> > > <curious> Why doesn't the second half of that sentence go: "we a
> bit
> > > like Yoda on a bad day sound.", then?
> >
> > Because Dutch people are not, contrary to popular belief, bald green
> > knee-high muppets?
> >
> > (on most days)
> >
> > And I did say "a bit", right? :-)
>
> Errr, right. So is it the right bit that sounds like Yoda or the left
> bit?
The left bit is a direct word for word translation.
> And if it's the left bit, how do you know that it is, in fact,
> the right bit?
ESP.
> And if the left bit is the right bit then isn't the
> right bit the left bit?
It's ambisinister, so it really matters not.
> And then you're standing there with your bits
> all mixed up going "Is this the bit that like Yoda sounds?". And then
> your Yoda bit decides to bite, and now your left bit has bit you and
> you're not so sure anymore if it's the left bit which is right, or
> maybe the rigth bit is right, but at any rate you're not going to
> write any more of this because you are so confused...
Wuh? Oh I'm sorry, could you repeat that? I didn't quite catch that.
> (Must stop, head spinning.)
Funny, think's what I was thatting...
> > > Dude, that's just, like, cool.
> >
> > Yeah. Uhuh. As cool as... as...
> >
> > (why am I thinking of Urkel?)
>
> You shouldn't be. I was being perfectly serious. That is a cool
> accent.
Ye. Gods.
You're actually the second person who I've heard saying that.
And here I am, able to speak American English without much of an accent.
*sigh*
:-)
--
Frank
Mitchell Swan
Frank van Schie wrote:
>
> Jennifer Winters wrote:
> >
>
> > And if the left bit is the right bit then isn't the
> > right bit the left bit?
>
> It's ambisinister, so it really matters not.
>
You are the second person I have ever heard use that word. The first
being myself.
Are you also a lefty with dextrous abilities?
--
Mitch
060b09645e6f3f00
Frank van Schie
Mitchell Swan wrote:
>
> > It's ambisinister, so it really matters not.
> >
>
> You are the second person I have ever heard use that word. The first
> being myself.
The first I heard using it was Terry Pratchett.
> Are you also a lefty with dextrous abilities?
Left handed, and I can now scribble my name right-handed and have it be
about as legible as my left-handed writing.
So I'm equally incompetent with either hand.
--
Frank
Mary Sophia Novak
<fv...@hoopyfroods.org> wrote:
>
>
>Jennifer Winters wrote:
>> You shouldn't be. I was being perfectly serious. That is a cool
>> accent.
>
>Ye. Gods.
>You're actually the second person who I've heard saying that.
>
>And here I am, able to speak American English without much of an accent.
>*sigh*
That made a big impression on me in my brief visit to the Netherlands
this summer -- I had speculated quite a bit about what a Dutch accent
might sound like, actually, and it turned out that out of a dozen
people I met only two or three spoke English with a Dutch accent at
all. Instead they represented a wide variety of English accents --
English public-school, New Zealander, Liverpudlian, others. It seemed
dependent on where they had spent the most time and where their
teachers were from; among this exceptionally English-literate group
(very fluent even by Dutch standards) a Dutch accent was the
exception, not the rule.
The voice I remember best that *did* have a Dutch accent sounded very
much like your first sound clip, though, especially the pronunciation
of "obedient." I agree, it is a pretty cool-sounding accent.
--
Mary Sophia Novak
ms_n...@hotmail.com
Mitchell Swan
Frank van Schie wrote:
>
> Mitchell Swan wrote:
> >
> > > It's ambisinister, so it really matters not.
> > >
> >
> > You are the second person I have ever heard use that word. The first
> > being myself.
>
> The first I heard using it was Terry Pratchett.
Never read him. [1]
>
> > Are you also a lefty with dextrous abilities?
>
> Left handed, and I can now scribble my name right-handed and have it be
> about as legible as my left-handed writing.
>
> So I'm equally incompetent with either hand.
I'm just plain weird, I eat and write with my left hand, but throw,
shoot, kick and many other things [2] with the right side of my body.
[1] *Registers the incredulous stares meeting this remark*
"What...?"
[2] Yes, that too. [3]
[3] The right's got more rhythm but the left's got more speed.
--
Mitch
060b09645e6f3f00
Frank van Schie
Mitchell Swan wrote:
>
> > The first I heard using it was Terry Pratchett.
>
> Never read him. [1]
Get thee to a Pratchett Book.
> > So I'm equally incompetent with either hand.
>
> I'm just plain weird, I eat and write with my left hand, but throw,
> shoot, kick and many other things [2] with the right side of my body.
Actually, the same went for me, back when I was forced to play sports in
school. I played right-handed everything. Hell, I could even write on
the blackboard righthanded, but not on paper :-)
--
Frank
Leigh Butler
<fv...@hoopyfroods.org> wrote:
> Leigh Butler wrote:
<RJ says the Illianers sound Dutch>
> > Yeah. The Dutch thing just made me blink, though. I did no be aware that
> > the Dutch did be having odd verb formations...
>
> Oh, we do. Just not when speaking English.
>
> <example:>
> We would however weird sentence constructions have. Now I it about
> think, we sound a bit like Yoda on a bad day.
> </example>
That's okay. French verb conjugation and grammar used to annoy the crap
out of me. You Yurpeens with your funky talk...
> > I'm also slightly embarrassed to admit that I have absolutely no clue
> > what a Dutch accent sounds like. I keep hearing something German
> > (probably because there's a guy I work with who's from Munich).
> Okay, some very exaggerated (but surprisingly accurate) Dutch accents
> from Shogun: Total War at http://home.wanadoo.nl/fvschie/Dutch
>
> Mind you, it's very exaggerated, probably on the level of Fawlty Towers'
> Manuel ("I'm from Barcelona!").
You're right, it doesn't really sound German, but I hear similarities -
whether or not they are actually there, of course.
I'll have to content myself with being able to distinguish between a
French accent, a Canadian French accent, and a Cajun French accent.
Even if I've forgotten most of the actual language by now.
> > ("Ya, I am Inga from Sveden."
> > "But you're wearing lederhosen...")
>
> No no no, that's all wrong. Inga should not wear lederhosen at all.
A legion of Jamie Lee Curtis fans undoubtedly agree.
Matt Hackell
> The voice I remember best that *did* have a Dutch accent sounded very
> much like your first sound clip, though, especially the pronunciation
> of "obedient." I agree, it is a pretty cool-sounding accent.
So, did the word "obedient" come up a lot on your visit to the
Netherlands?
--
Matt Hackell
"We're not thinking straight today."
"No, I'm definitely thinking lesbian."
"Is that like thinking outside the box?"
"..." "No."
Mary Sophia Novak
<mhac...@alumni.princeton.edu> wrote:
>From the book of ms_n...@hotmail.com ...
>> The voice I remember best that *did* have a Dutch accent sounded very
>> much like your first sound clip, though, especially the pronunciation
>> of "obedient." I agree, it is a pretty cool-sounding accent.
>
>So, did the word "obedient" come up a lot on your visit to the
>Netherlands?
Uh-huh. I was trying to find work in Amsterdam.
Well, okay, actually no...it's just the rhythm of the word that I find
very characteristically distinctive, if difficult to explain. Same
with "completion" in the same clip.
Leigh Butler
<Mitchel...@raytheon.com> wrote:
>
>
> Frank van Schie wrote:
> >
> > Mitchell Swan wrote:
> > > Are you also a lefty with dextrous abilities?
> >
> > Left handed, and I can now scribble my name right-handed and have it be
> > about as legible as my left-handed writing.
> >
> > So I'm equally incompetent with either hand.
>
> I'm just plain weird, I eat and write with my left hand, but throw,
> shoot, kick and many other things [2] with the right side of my body.
It's odd. I am completely right-handed for almost every activity you can
name, including every sport I've ever played - except pool.
For some reason I shoot pool left-handed. No idea why.
Oh, and I arrange cards backwards.
Amir Noam
says...
> In article <MPG.165c56f4e...@news.cis.dfn.de>, Leigh Butler wrote:
>
> >> 4) "Anyone being tested is merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever she
> >> is in [another reality.]"
> >
> > This answer makes no grammatical sense. The testee is riding on whoever
> > she is in? Am I the only one blinking at that?
>
> Makes perfect sense.
> Different versions of you exist in different worlds.
> When you go through the Golden Arches, you become a perceptual rider
> on three of those different versions of you.
But if the worlds experienced through the Arches are real worlds, that
presents a problem with Egwene's experience. In one of her passes she
was in a world where she had the ageless look but did not swear on the
Oath Rod.
--
Amir Noam
Adam Canning
surfbaud.al...@waverider.co.uk says...
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:31:19 -0800, Leigh Butler
> <leigh_...@paramount.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:03:53 GMT, Paul Ward
> ><wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> >> neither confirm nor deny that the Creator spoke to Rand."
> >> -- Neither confirm nor deny? What's up with that?
> >
> >He's being coy. Though really, who the fuck else could it have been?'
>
> The Dark One talking to Ishamael and Rand overhearing? The Dark One
> talking to Rand? Ishamael talking to Rand?
Death from the Discworld? ;)
Adam
Adrian Clark
> From: j...@concentric.net (John S. Novak, III)
>
>>I would think that a radically different geometry, which is
>>definitely sufficient to produce the optical effects see, would
>>also be enough to screw up what seems to be a
>>geometrically based system of magic--weaves must almost
>>certainly depend on geometry, from the way they're
>>described.
>>
>>Which makes one wonder how Rand survived.
>>
>
> He was still weaving on instinct back then, wasn't he? The
> flamesword weave he does has always been described as
> just springing into his hand. Maybe, since he's never seen the
> weaves to produce it, the weave doesn't matter?
>
A bit like when he is weaving Saidar during the cleansing of Saidin? He doesn't conciously weave a certain pattern he just tries to make it do what he wants and it takes care of the rest.
It would explain it I suppose.
Aydsman
Pat O'Connell
Speaking of Dutch--see Sydo Zandstra lately? Karen and I talked with him
at the LVDFS--very nice guy. He has an accent, but it's weak enough that
we couldn't figure out where he was from until he told us.
--
Pat O'Connell
Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints,
Kill nothing but vandals...
Jasper Janssen
>On 14 Nov 2001 23:40:58 GMT, John S. Novak, III <j...@concentric.net>
>> Makes perfect sense.
>> Different versions of you exist in different worlds.
>> When you go through the Golden Arches, you become a perceptual rider
>> on three of those different versions of you.
>
>But if the worlds experienced through the Arches are real worlds, that
>presents a problem with Egwene's experience. In one of her passes she
>was in a world where she had the ageless look but did not swear on the
>Oath Rod.
So?
Must be plenty of worlds where Aes Sedai never introduced the whole Oath
Rod thing after the Breaking. Or, wait, ISTR she was thinking something
like "thank god noone knows I haven't sworn", which implies that is
usually used there.. in that case, she managed to avoid it for some
reason. There could be all sorts of different reasons.
Jasper
Ed Buckley
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:31:48 GMT, P. Korda <ko...@midway.uchicago.edu>
> wrote:
> > In article <MPG.165c56f4e...@news.cis.dfn.de>,
> > Leigh Butler <leigh_...@paramount.com> wrote:
> > >On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:03:53 GMT, Paul Ward
> > ><wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
<snip burning doorway cause query>
> > >Yeah, interesting that apparently those alternate laws didn't seem to
> > >give Rand a problem in TSR...
> >
> > Well, one explanation is that, at the time, Rand was channelling by
> > instinct, not in any methodical way. This might have made it easier
> > for him to adapt to different physical laws, unlike trained
> > channellers Moiraine and Lanfear, who consciously tried to do things
> > the "normal" way.
>
> Enh. My impression is that a weave of Fire is a weave of Fire,
> regardless of whether you were formally taught it or stumbled upon it by
> trial and error. If the weaves work differently in *finnland, they
> should work differently for everyone.
>
> *shrug* One can always resort to the ta'veren bolthole and let it go. Or
> RAFO and see if we get a decent rationalization.
Or it could be that he created a sword of fire. 'Courage to
strengthen, fire to blind, something(music?) to something, iron to
bind' and all that. If I have the quote correct which I probably
haven't. The *finn may be able to clamp down on all normal channeling
effects, but because he created fire they had no control.
Adam Canning
adn...@zahav.net.il says...
The Egwene that hadn't sworn was the rider. The Egwene with the ageless
face was the horse.
Adam
Frank van Schie
Jasper Janssen wrote:
>
> >But if the worlds experienced through the Arches are real worlds, that
> >presents a problem with Egwene's experience. In one of her passes she
> >was in a world where she had the ageless look but did not swear on the
> >Oath Rod.
>
> So?
>
> Must be plenty of worlds where Aes Sedai never introduced the whole Oath
> Rod thing after the Breaking. Or, wait, ISTR she was thinking something
> like "thank god noone knows I haven't sworn", which implies that is
> usually used there.. in that case, she managed to avoid it for some
> reason. There could be all sorts of different reasons.
I think he means, how could Egwene have the Ageless Look if she didn't
swear on the Oath Rod.
Which IMHO points to the possibility that Oath Rod => Ageless Look was
decided somewhere in book 2 or later.
--
Frank
Sarah Coit
My interpretation for this has always been that the dream ter'angreal
interfered with the working of the Accepted ter'angreal in such a
way as to confuse Egwene's memories. If you remember, Egwene brought
the dreamwalking ter'angreal Verin gave her to her Accepted test,
and it caused a great deal of disturbance in the final test. If
you look at Egwene's thoughts in the last test, they really didn't
make much sense. As I recall, she couldn't really explain *why*
she hadn't sworn the Three Oaths, she didn't remember becoming
Amyrlin, and she didn't even remember her Keeper's name (Beldeine).
My best guess is that the disturbance in the For^H^H^H ter'angreal
allowed some of her real-life memories to override the memories
she was supposed to have in that other life, and confused others
to the point where they made no sense.
-Sarah
Amir Noam
<fv...@hoopyfroods.org> says...
>
>
> Jasper Janssen wrote:
> >
> > >But if the worlds experienced through the Arches are real worlds, that
> > >presents a problem with Egwene's experience. In one of her passes she
> > >was in a world where she had the ageless look but did not swear on the
> > >Oath Rod.
> >
> > So?
> >
> > Must be plenty of worlds where Aes Sedai never introduced the whole Oath
> > Rod thing after the Breaking. Or, wait, ISTR she was thinking something
> > like "thank god noone knows I haven't sworn", which implies that is
> > usually used there.. in that case, she managed to avoid it for some
> > reason. There could be all sorts of different reasons.
>
> I think he means, how could Egwene have the Ageless Look if she didn't
> swear on the Oath Rod.
Yep, that's what I meant. I thought I was clear, but I guess I could
have been clearer.
> Which IMHO points to the possibility that Oath Rod => Ageless Look was
> decided somewhere in book 2 or later.
Which also explains other problems with the Oath Rod => Ageless Look
theory in the earlier books (like the way Wise Ones were initially
described).
--
Amir Noam
Amir Noam
says...
I agree. That's the most logical explanation I can think of.
Nevertheless, as Frank has mentioned, it's always possible that RJ has
only decided about the connection between the Oaths and the Ageless
Look in later books.
--
Amir Noam
Steve Ferguson
leigh_...@paramount.com says...
> > >> 3) "When Moiraine and Lanfear went through the ter'angreal, it burned
> > >> in part because both were channeling, and the world on the other side
> > >> of the doorway has a radically different set of natural laws. The odd
> >
> > Well, one explanation is that, at the time, Rand was channelling by
> > instinct, not in any methodical way. This might have made it easier
> > for him to adapt to different physical laws, unlike trained
> > channellers Moiraine and Lanfear, who consciously tried to do things
> > the "normal" way.
>
> Enh. My impression is that a weave of Fire is a weave of Fire,
> regardless of whether you were formally taught it or stumbled upon it by
> trial and error. If the weaves work differently in *finnland, they
> should work differently for everyone.
However, if you don't know what a weave of fire is (which Rand didn't,
really) then you might just know that you need a certain thing and do
what seems natural to make that thing.
In Randland he did the natural thing and got a flame sword; in finnland
he also did the natural thing and got a flame sword. However, because the
natures of the worlds are different, the natural thing is different in
each world.
Moraine and Lanfear channeled how they were taught because: a)that is
what they were taught is the only natural way to do it, and b)they were
already in the process of channeling in a deadly fight and didn't think
to stop and determine whether that channeling might be wrong somehow in
another reality.
At least, that's my take on it assuming that this really is the reason
the doorframe melted.
-Ferg
Ray Chason
>RAFO in armyspeak.
I would think that in "armyspeak," the F would have to stand for the
Quintessential English Obscenity.
Read A Fucking Onion?
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
(And yes, before someone asks, I do know what RAFO stands for)
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
Ray Chason
>On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:03:53 GMT, Paul Ward
><wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote:
>
>> (Possible question: What's up with the Accepted test ter'angreal?)
>> 4) "Anyone being tested is merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever she
>> is in [another reality.]"
>
>This answer makes no grammatical sense. The testee is riding on whoever
>she is in? Am I the only one blinking at that?
Gives autoeroticism a whole new meaning, doesn't it?
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
Amy Gray
@southland.smart.net.SPAMMEN.VERBOTEN uttered...
> Jasper Janssen <jas...@insaneoc.com> wrote:
>
> >RAFO in armyspeak.
>
> I would think that in "armyspeak," the F would have to stand for the
> Quintessential English Obscenity.
>
> Read A Fucking Onion?
--
Amy Gray
ag...@kumc.edu
UIN: 91047322
Jennifer Winters
> In article <tvbl4ba...@corp.supernews.com>, johnnyreb.4
> @southland.smart.net.SPAMMEN.VERBOTEN uttered...
> > Jasper Janssen <jas...@insaneoc.com> wrote:
> >
> > >RAFO in armyspeak.
> >
> > I would think that in "armyspeak," the F would have to stand for
the
> > Quintessential English Obscenity.
> >
> > Read A Fucking Onion?
>
> Better than Rape A Fucking Ovine.
Isn't that sort of physically impossible?
Personally, I like:
Robert's Answer For all Occasions
--
Dreamweaver
ICQ#: 137778773
I am pied for protection, dappled for deception.
Amy Gray
> "Amy Gray" wrote:
>
> > In article <tvbl4ba...@corp.supernews.com>, johnnyreb.4
> > @southland.smart.net.SPAMMEN.VERBOTEN uttered...
> > > Jasper Janssen <jas...@insaneoc.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >RAFO in armyspeak.
> > >
> > > I would think that in "armyspeak," the F would have to stand for
> the
> > > Quintessential English Obscenity.
> > >
> > > Read A Fucking Onion?
> >
> > Better than Rape A Fucking Ovine.
>
> Isn't that sort of physically impossible?
> Robert's Answer For all Occasions
Oleg Ozerov
"Paul Ward" <wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> wrote
Ah, what the hell, I'll be late and jump in.
(Hope everybody is fine around here.)
> (Possible question: Why did the ter'angreal doorway burn down when
> Lanfear and Moiraine passed through?)
> 3) "When Moiraine and Lanfear went through the ter'angreal, it burned
> in part because both were channeling, and the world on the other side
> of the doorway has a radically different set of natural laws. The odd
> optical effects witnessed in that other world are not artificially
> produced artifacts." (complete answer)
> --The laws for channelling are different on the other side of the
> doorway...interesting.
Well, _natural_ laws is what you quote. Which may or may not imply different
channelling laws. Novak's version (geometry stuff) sounds reasonable.
> (Possible question: What's up with the Accepted test ter'angreal?)
> 4) "Anyone being tested is merely a visitor, or rider, on whoever she
> is in [another reality.]"
> -- Therefore, though Sharina may be a real person, it doesn't mean
> anything in terms of her future advising to the Malkier throne.
It may or may not. It may happen that she will and we will say, damn, it's
not necessarily supposed to be that the events in the Arches will come true,
but, look, they did in this case.
> (Possible question: Languages/accents?)
> 5) Seanchan -> Texas accent. TwoRivers->Irish/English accent.
> Illianers -> Dutch. Aiel -> somewhat Slavic. Tairen -> Spanish.
> Domani->Indian. Saldaean -> Egyptian/North African.
We kinda figured Seanchan = Southern, but Texan is consistent, too. Would
you from now on be able to listen to Texans speak the same way as before?
DuoRios - Irish??
Aiel - Slavic? Huh.
Saldaean - N. African? Well, this one's not too far off my mark, though.
> (Possible question: Is the DO pure TP? Why does the Creator ignore
> Randland except to talk to Rand at the end of TEotW?)
> 8) "No, the Dark One is not pure True Power. Who says the Creator
> takes little interest in the activities of mankind? And I will
> neither confirm nor deny that the Creator spoke to Rand."
> -- Neither confirm nor deny? What's up with that?
>
> (Possible question: ??)
> 9) "The taint and the True Power are both manifestations of the Dark
> One -- they are the same substance, but those who access it are not
> destroyed in the same way."
> -- This would have been helpful -- but then again, may not -- during
> the taint theory debates.
8 and 9 kind of go together and almost contradict each other. Almost, but
not in truth. The DO is not pure TP, yet TP is a manifestation of the DO.
That's kind of what I've been saying for a while. Granted, I wouldn't be the
first to.
And I think we were fairly certain that the Taint had something to do with
the DO...
--
O.
Oleg Ozerov
"Jean D" <dufr...@globetrotter.net> wrote
> P. Korda wrote:
> >
> > Look at the Aiel: Irish-Bedouin Zulus, for Pete's sake.
>
> Irish-Bedouin-American-Indian-Zulus speaking with a slavic accent, now.
KGB agents?
--
O.
Sydo Zandstra
Pat O'Connell <nvc...@lvcm.com> wrote in message
news:3BF486B2...@lvcm.com...
I'm still here, Pat. I just don't have as much access to the net as I
used to, though (only in the weekend). So I mainly read the group, being
days behind and all. At least, until I manage to find a home near
Amsterdam....
BTW, how are you doing in Vegas?
--
Sydo Zandstra
Sydo Zandstra
Frank van Schie <fv...@hoopyfroods.org> wrote in message
news:3BF280FC...@hoopyfroods.org...
>
>
> Jeen Broekstra wrote:
> >
> > Paul Ward wrote:
> >
> > > Illianers -> Dutch.
> >
> > That do be ridiculous.
>
> I would no trust that bit of info if it did be claimed by my own aged
> grandmother.
I would, if she were Greek. But I agree Illian couldn't possibly consist
of Dutch-speaking Greeks. In that case the city would have been one big
heap of shoarma...
(or gyros)
--
Sydo Zandstra
Frank van Schie
Sydo Zandstra wrote:
> > > > [Illianers do be Dutch]
> > >
> > > That do be ridiculous.
> >
> > I would no trust that bit of info if it did be claimed by my own aged
> > grandmother.
>
> I would, if she were Greek. But I agree Illian couldn't possibly consist
> of Dutch-speaking Greeks. In that case the city would have been one big
> heap of shoarma...
Mmm, shoarma. Got Turkish bread? (which is infinitely better than pita's
in the category's Visual Appeal, Taste, Taste, and Taste).
Also nice on pizza, if prepared by a good enough pizza chain.
> (or gyros)
Mmm, gyros. Got Turkish bread?
--
Frank
Jasper Janssen
<fv...@hoopyfroods.org> wrote:
>Sydo Zandstra wrote:
>> I would, if she were Greek. But I agree Illian couldn't possibly consist
>> of Dutch-speaking Greeks. In that case the city would have been one big
>> heap of shoarma...
>
>Mmm, shoarma. Got Turkish bread? (which is infinitely better than pita's
>in the category's Visual Appeal, Taste, Taste, and Taste).
Pita's are nice though, if you prepare them right. Wholegrain, preferable,
slice open, sprinkle with moisture, put on pate, liverwurst, or my
personal favorite, cheese, grill in the middle of the oven for 2-3 minutes
per side.
Delish.
>
>Also nice on pizza, if prepared by a good enough pizza chain.
Turkish bread on pizza? weird taste you have.
Jasper
Sydo Zandstra
Jasper Janssen <jas...@insaneoc.com> wrote in message
news:d5vdvt05ohn8f26uj...@4ax.com...
Well, IMHO Turkish bread is better than any pita (especially better than
the one with pate and liverwurst, Jasper!).
Anyway, since the coming of shoarma, I have always wondered about the
"pizza with shoarma"-thing. Did any of you ever had one, and, if so, how
did it taste?
--
Sydo Zandstra
Pat O'Connell
Just dandy. Last weekend, after finding long lines at the Cheesecake
Factory, we discovered a deli in the Forum Shops that sells a huge slice
(enough for 2) of excellent New York cheesecake for $5.00. Mmmm-good!
We're going walking down the Strip tonight--great people watching.
Jason "Warlocke" Lewis
"Johan Gustafsson" <j...@e-bostad.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.165c9cf17...@news.e-bostad.net...
> Paul Ward <wedopwardn...@everjuno.com> preached to the
> perverted...
> > Nearly 3 years ago I had posted the group saying I was planning on
> > writing a letter to RJ to ask him some questions and asked if
anyone
> > had anything they wanted to ask. Well, I had been hoping for some
> > sort of response within 6-8 months, but it didn't happen. I then
went
> > away for 2 years. I was recently going through some boxes of
stuff
> > that my parents had saved/received for me and found RJ's response.
I
> > was quite surprised. My parents had never told me it had come.
It is
> > dated in March of 2000, about a year after I wrote to him.
>
> Hey, some of this is pretty damn interesting.
Boy you aren't kidding. There are at least few (mini)revelations in
there.
> > (Possible question: Languages/accents?)
> > 5) Seanchan -> Texas accent. TwoRivers->Irish/English accent.
> > Illianers -> Dutch. Aiel -> somewhat Slavic. Tairen -> Spanish.
> > Domani->Indian. Saldaean -> Egyptian/North African.
>
> Ah, nice. Been wondering about that myself.
>
>
> "Y'all bow down to the Empress of the Seanchan, y'hear!"
Well that just blows my mind. I'm not quite sure what to think about
that!
--
Jason "Warlocke" Lewis
"Strange, that from lovely dreamings of the dead
I shall come back to you, who hurt me most."
--Dorothy Parker
Jason "Warlocke" Lewis
"Steve Ferguson" <stph...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.165f9c4e4...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
I've always thought that part of the reason it melted was because of a
backlash from Lanfear being stilled. She was using a ter'angreal (that
Moiraine planted) to boost her power when she started the attack on
the docks. Moiraine made a grab for it and ripped it off of her as
they tumbled through the doorway. I'd say that there's a definite
chance that when it was pulled off Lanfear got overwhelmed and burnt
out by the excess Saidar. If so, what happened to all of those weaves
she was handling? Nothing good I'd guess.
That said, I suppose that the rules differing in finnland could be the
cause of the melting.
As far as Rand's channeling is concerned, he did not go through the
Rhuidean doorway, he went through the Tear doorway. So unless both
doorways take you to the same place, maybe the rules in both places
are different from eachother, as well as from the rest of the world. I
always figured that since ne led to the snake people and one to the
fox people that they, though similair in many ways, were two entirely
different places.
Just some thoughts.
Frank van Schie
Sydo Zandstra wrote:
>
> > >Also nice on pizza, if prepared by a good enough pizza chain.
> >
> > Turkish bread on pizza? weird taste you have.
*THWAP*
> Well, IMHO Turkish bread is better than any pita (especially better than
> the one with pate and liverwurst, Jasper!).
Agreed. People with no tastebuds should not be allowed to vote on good
food. :-)
> Anyway, since the coming of shoarma, I have always wondered about the
> "pizza with shoarma"-thing. Did any of you ever had one, and, if so, how
> did it taste?
*raises hand*
It was very good. Even the next morning, cold, it was still edible,
which I have yet to see duplicated by another form of pizza (but then,
most pizza's die before the hour of their delivery is up, so I s'pose I
wouldn't know, really)
Anyway, you could try it at http://www.alcapones.nl/, where you may be
able to order online. Benefits include being able to order a Large pizza
for the price of a Medium, a contributing factor in my current size of
underwear.
--
Frank
Jasper Janssen
<fv...@hoopyfroods.org> wrote:
>Jasper Janssen wrote:
>> So?
>>
>> Must be plenty of worlds where Aes Sedai never introduced the whole Oath
>> Rod thing after the Breaking. Or, wait, ISTR she was thinking something
>> like "thank god noone knows I haven't sworn", which implies that is
>> usually used there.. in that case, she managed to avoid it for some
>> reason. There could be all sorts of different reasons.
>
>I think he means, how could Egwene have the Ageless Look if she didn't
>swear on the Oath Rod.
>
>Which IMHO points to the possibility that Oath Rod => Ageless Look was
>decided somewhere in book 2 or later.
ITYM book 3, or possibly later.
I'm currently doing a reread and I'm at the start of tDR aka book 3, and I
get the impression that quite a lot has changed between tGH and tDR. Frex,
in tGH multiple times what we later call the "Oath Rod" seems to be
referred to as a ter'angreal you stand in (as opposed to holding it). In
general, it just 'feels' as if he's been doing a lot of serious revision
on his worldbook in between the two. For the better, IMHO.
However, Egwene's Accepted test is a third of the way into tDR. This
points away from Oath Rod/Ageless Look. In the past, IIRC it was handwaved
around as being what Egwene expected to see therefore she saw it. However,
with this comment from Jordan, that does not appear to be a possible
explanation.
So, Ageless Look =/= Oath Rod, _or_ Jordan slipped up. Both are about
equally likely, I'd say.
Jasper
Daniel Berdine
>> (Possible question: Who killed Asmodean?)
>> 2) "I really think that the best suggestion for the murderer of
>> Asmodean was that it was Moiraine acting under Compulsion imposed by
>> Bela. Of course, that is not the answer, but it is the best
>> suggestion from a fan."
>> --I can't remember who suggested that. It's the best suggestion?
>
> This is sarcasm instead of just answering RAFO. However, this answer
> could be interpreted as ruling out Moiraine, who was the choice of
> some people.
>
why do we all assume that because his answer doesn't fit with the ideas
we like it must be sarcastic or something? Maybe hes just saying we're
all dense and are missing a possibility, namely that someone was
Compelled to do the deed. Not sure how much sense this makes, as it
just begs the question, who did the Compulsion, etc etc etc.
It could also be an indication that Moiraine did have something to do
with it, maybe she wrote a kick ass neato ward that was set off when
she died or something. (obvious? of course!)
Basicly the information is just as useless as anything else because it
can be interpreted a thousand different ways, but I certainly don't
think we can just assume its sarcastic. There is something in the
'bela compelled moiraine to do it' idea that makes it better than the
rest, perhaps in that it doesn't involve any bad guys? I don't bloody
friggin well know. Maybe Verin did it. :>
-Dan Berdine
Sarah Coit
> On 16 Nov 2001 06:58:56 -0800, Sarah Coit <sc...@hsph.harvard.edu>
> says...
> > Amir Noam <adn...@zahav.net.il> wrote in message news:<MPG.165e71967...@news.cis.dfn.de>...
> > > But if the worlds experienced through the Arches are real worlds, that
> > > presents a problem with Egwene's experience. In one of her passes she
> > > was in a world where she had the ageless look but did not swear on the
> > > Oath Rod.
> >
> > My interpretation for this has always been that the dream ter'angreal
> > interfered with the working of the Accepted ter'angreal in such a
> > way as to confuse Egwene's memories. If you remember, Egwene brought
> > the dreamwalking ter'angreal Verin gave her to her Accepted test,
> > and it caused a great deal of disturbance in the final test. If
> > you look at Egwene's thoughts in the last test, they really didn't
> > make much sense. As I recall, she couldn't really explain *why*
> > she hadn't sworn the Three Oaths, she didn't remember becoming
> > Amyrlin, and she didn't even remember her Keeper's name (Beldeine).
> > My best guess is that the disturbance in the For^H^H^H ter'angreal
> > allowed some of her real-life memories to override the memories
> > she was supposed to have in that other life, and confused others
> > to the point where they made no sense.
>
> I agree. That's the most logical explanation I can think of.
> Nevertheless, as Frank has mentioned, it's always possible that RJ has
> only decided about the connection between the Oaths and the Ageless
> Look in later books.
Yep, I know. But I'd rather apply a reasonable, if possibly wrong,
explanation to the problem than have there be a big hole in the
story. So I go with the prettier explanation.
-Sarah
Leigh Butler
<stph...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> In article <MPG.165c92b27...@news.cis.dfn.de>,
> leigh_...@paramount.com says...
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:31:48 GMT, P. Korda <ko...@midway.uchicago.edu>
> > wrote:
<the doorway melting because of different natural laws>
> > > Well, one explanation is that, at the time, Rand was channelling by
> > > instinct, not in any methodical way. This might have made it easier
> > > for him to adapt to different physical laws, unlike trained
> > > channellers Moiraine and Lanfear, who consciously tried to do things
> > > the "normal" way.
> >
> > Enh. My impression is that a weave of Fire is a weave of Fire,
> > regardless of whether you were formally taught it or stumbled upon it by
> > trial and error. If the weaves work differently in *finnland, they
> > should work differently for everyone.
>
> However, if you don't know what a weave of fire is (which Rand didn't,
> really) then you might just know that you need a certain thing and do
> what seems natural to make that thing.
>
> In Randland he did the natural thing and got a flame sword; in finnland
> he also did the natural thing and got a flame sword. However, because the
> natures of the worlds are different, the natural thing is different in
> each world.
This is pure conjecture. Not to mention annoyingly pat. This might be
RJ's rationale, but if so he loses points in my book.
> Moraine and Lanfear channeled how they were taught because: a)that is
> what they were taught is the only natural way to do it, and b)they were
> already in the process of channeling in a deadly fight and didn't think
> to stop and determine whether that channeling might be wrong somehow in
> another reality.
I don't see why it couldn't just be that the door melted because two
women channelling a fuckload of destructive power went through it. Why
does the reason have to be any more complicated than that?
--
Leigh Butler leigh_...@paramount.com
******************************************************
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily reflect those
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Jasper Janssen
<leigh_...@paramount.com> wrote:
>I don't see why it couldn't just be that the door melted because two
>women channelling a fuckload of destructive power went through it. Why
>does the reason have to be any more complicated than that?
So... uhm... would a fuckload be more or less than a buttload?
Jasper
Chris Hammock
Ed Fell
>> However, if you don't know what a weave of fire is (which Rand didn't,
>> really) then you might just know that you need a certain thing and do
>> what seems natural to make that thing.
>> In Randland he did the natural thing and got a flame sword; in finnland
>> he also did the natural thing and got a flame sword. However, because the
>> natures of the worlds are different, the natural thing is different in
>> each world.
>This is pure conjecture. Not to mention annoyingly pat. This might be
>RJ's rationale, but if so he loses points in my book.
[snip]
Ditto. But another argument: he came out of the doorway
carrying the sword. I would think even if he did "the natural
thing" to get it, he would have a hell of a time maintaining it
when "natural" shifted on him.
Ed
--
Facts are the enemy of Truth.
Dake Wasserman, Man of La Mancha
John S. Novak, III
> So, Ageless Look =/= Oath Rod, _or_ Jordan slipped up. Both are about
> equally likely, I'd say.
I think it's pretty clear he changed his mind.
If people want some extra credit projects during the next round of
signings, we should aim to ask the question about the Arches during
signing X, and then a question about the Oath Rod in the Arch scene
during signing X+1.
Just to see how the answers corroborate.
On the downside, he could get ornery about this in a stategic sense
and retcon the whole damn thing *again*.
--
John S. Novak, III j...@cegt201.bradley.edu
The Humblest Man on the Net
Pat O'Connell
Well, we know that an American fuckload is slightly smaller than an
Imperial fuckload, and a metric fuckload is smaller than both of them.
The real question is whether buttloads follow the same conversion rules
or not.
Steve Ferguson
emfa...@aol.comJunky says...
Good call, I missed that one completely. Back to the old drawing board I
guess. But for the record, I've always thought the theory Leigh gave is
the best, but since this one (apparently) came from Jordan I thought I'd
try to back it up if possible.
-Ferg
Mark Shea
More. By exactly one shitload.
Mark Shea
--
It is a well known fact that the sheep that give
us steel wool have no natural predators
- full credit to Gary Larson
Tallis
<John Ward wrote:>
> > (Possible question: Languages/accents?)
> > 5) Seanchan -> Texas accent. TwoRivers->Irish/English accent.
> > Illianers -> Dutch. Aiel -> somewhat Slavic. Tairen -> Spanish.
> > Domani->Indian. Saldaean -> Egyptian/North African.
>
> Ah, nice. Been wondering about that myself.
>
>
> "Y'all bow down to the Empress of the Seanchan, y'hear!"
Seriously...I'm not buying this. Not to imply that John or RJ is
lying, but...Texan?? No freaking way.
-Tallis
TChetan
>> "Y'all bow down to the Empress of the Seanchan, y'hear!"
>
>Seriously...I'm not buying this. Not to imply that John or RJ is
>lying, but...Texan?? No freaking way.
>
>-Tallis
I think that what he meant is that speech pattern, the slow drawl, is the way
the Seanchan speak. Not the y'all type stuff, I hope...
CT
Tallis
...which makes sense. I do prefer your way of looking at it; this way
it doesn't completely destroy my mental image of the Seanchan.
-Tallis
Dan Stormes
"Tallis" <TallisT...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4108f1cf.01112...@posting.google.com...
And what is wrong with 'y'all'??? imho that one short phrase makes
it quit specific the addressee in a conversation. When one from the Northern
US
says 'you' to a group, one may be confused as to exactly who is being
addressed; however,
those of us in the Southern US are graced with that wonderful term of
address - y'all - to better
define our audience... that is if it is a group. Otherwise, if you hear the
drawl or the term 'fixin' with you,
then you know that only one person is being addressed and that you would be
eavesdropping if you
continued to listen to that conversation.
My My My, how limiting the Northern US dialect can be at times....
Dan
Evilstarweasel
>And what is wrong with 'y'all'??? imho that one short phrase makes
>it quit specific the addressee in a conversation. When one from the Northern
>US
>says 'you' to a group, one may be confused as to exactly who is being
>addressed; however,
>those of us in the Southern US are graced with that wonderful term of
>address - y'all - to better
>define our audience... that is if it is a group. Otherwise, if you hear the
>drawl or the term 'fixin' with you,
>then you know that only one person is being addressed and that you would be
>eavesdropping if you
>continued to listen to that conversation.
>
>My My My, how limiting the Northern US dialect can be at times....
>
>Dan
And we can kick your ass. And we're billegerent. That's all.
John S. Novak, III
> We tend to use 'you guys', or something similar. And we tend to be smarter.
> And we can kick your ass. And we're billegerent. That's all.
Irony, thy name is Usenet.
The Great Gray Skwid
> In article <20011206204307...@mb-fa.aol.com>, Evilstarweasel wrote:
> > We tend to use 'you guys', or something similar. And we tend to be smarter.
> > And we can kick your ass. And we're billegerent. That's all.
> Irony, thy name is Usenet.
I just like statements of superiority coming from "Evilstarweasel."
That's almost as ridiculous as my own.
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Kreeg
I am a transplanted Northerner and it took me about three years to
shift from "youse guys" to "y'all". I find them equally effective.
Kreeg
Looking for a decent Italian restaurant south of the Mason-Dixon line
Tallis
<snip Seanchan drawl probably doens't equate to Texan lingo>
> > ...which makes sense. I do prefer your way of looking at it; this way
> > it doesn't completely destroy my mental image of the Seanchan.
> >
> > -Tallis
>
> And what is wrong with 'y'all'??? imho that one short phrase makes
> it quit specific the addressee in a conversation.
<snip good-natured diatribe...well, I read it with a humorous tone at
least>
I'm assuming you were joking.
If not: I'm glad you're so passionate about the functional efficiency
of "y'all," really. But that doesn't make it any more Seanchan-like to
me.
(shrugs)
"Y'all" just brings up images of cowboys, and barbeques, and red-nosed
presidents.
-Tallis
Jennifer Winters
> "Y'all" just brings up images of cowboys, and barbeques, and
red-nosed
> presidents.
Rudolph the red-nosed President
Has a very shiny pen
And if he ever uses it
It' to veto ever bill he can
All of the other politicians
Used to laugh and call him names
They wouldn't let poor Rudolph
Join in politician games
Then one foggy DC eve.
Congress came to say
Rudolph with your pen so bright
Won't you sign this bill tonight?
Then all the politicians loved him
And they shouted out with glee
Rudolph the red-nosed President
You're going to the penitentiary!
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Ron A Buckton
"Kreeg" <mjdr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> evilsta...@aol.com (Evilstarweasel) wrote in message
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> > >
*snip*
> > >Dan
> > We tend to use 'you guys', or something similar. And we tend to be
smarter.
> > And we can kick your ass. And we're billegerent. That's all.
>
> I am a transplanted Northerner and it took me about three years to
> shift from "youse guys" to "y'all". I find them equally effective.
>
Well i'm from Pittsburgh and here we use "Yinz" :)
Darryl Sheakley
>"Kreeg" <mjdr...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message
>>I am a transplanted Northerner and it took
>> me about three years to shift from "youse
>> guys" to "y'all". I find them equally effective.
And if that wasn't scary enough...
>Well i'm from Pittsburgh and here we use
> "Yinz" :)
I assure you, it's not used much an hour and a half north of you, here
in Meadville. It's pretty much strictly Pittsbugh, isn't it? I _do_ work
with a couple of people who say that. and it always cracks me up: 'Hey,
can I catch a ride with yinz guys?'
Fucked up.
And I grew up in Florida, but never picked up the 'Y'all'. That shit
cracks me up, too.
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