Re: Tommy Covenant.
Duncan J Macdonald
said...
> Just finished lord foul's bane over here. I just wanted to say: wow. I
> mean, really. Wow. It's like the lovechild of Dostoyevsky and Tolkien.
> If you haven't already, read this book.
Only if you are into severely emotionally handicapped protagonists who
have no redeeming moral features.
I struggled through all six books back when I was in college, but my
masochistic days are waning -- I wouldn't repeat that torture now.
--
Duncan J Macdonald
duncan.m...@navy.mil
macdo...@comcast.net
Michael Hoye
Duncan J Macdonald <macdo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On 14 Dec 2004 14:42:23 -0800, Ryan don't call me gunga MacIntosh
>said...
>> Just finished lord foul's bane over here. I just wanted to say: wow. I
>> mean, really. Wow. It's like the lovechild of Dostoyevsky and Tolkien.
>> If you haven't already, read this book.
>
>Only if you are into severely emotionally handicapped protagonists who
>have no redeeming moral features.
Curiously, I am.
--
Mike Hoye
Brinner
"Ryan don't call me gunga MacIntosh" <Volra...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Just finished lord foul's bane over here. I just wanted to say: wow. I
> mean, really. Wow. It's like the lovechild of Dostoyevsky and Tolkien.
> If you haven't already, read this book.
>
Here here, read this years ago, loved it. The 1st book of the 3rd trilogy
was just released in Ireland about 2 weeks ago. Its great too.
Brinner
Brinner
"Ryan don't call me gunga MacIntosh" <Volra...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Just finished lord foul's bane over here. I just wanted to say: wow. I
> mean, really. Wow. It's like the lovechild of Dostoyevsky and Tolkien.
> If you haven't already, read this book.
>
> RM
Oh and if you like this series when its finished, try Donaldson's "Gap
Series", its his best IMHO.
Brinner
Michelle J. Haines
says...
The THIRD trilogy? Good lord.
Michelle
Flutist
--
Drift on a river, That flows through my arms
Drift as I'm singing to you
I see you smiling, So peaceful and calm
And holding you, I'm smiling, too
Here in my arms, Safe from all harm
Holding you, I'm smiling, too
-- For Xander [9/22/98 - 2/23/99]
Brinner
"Michelle J. Haines" <mha...@nanc.com> wrote in message
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> In article <cpnt8v$l8c$1...@kermit.esat.net>, briank...@lycos.com
> says...
> >
> > "Ryan don't call me gunga MacIntosh" <Volra...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > message news:6109c906.04121...@posting.google.com...
> > > Just finished lord foul's bane over here. I just wanted to say: wow. I
> > > mean, really. Wow. It's like the lovechild of Dostoyevsky and Tolkien.
> > > If you haven't already, read this book.
> > >
> >
> > Here here, read this years ago, loved it. The 1st book of the 3rd
trilogy
> > was just released in Ireland about 2 weeks ago. Its great too.
>
> The THIRD trilogy? Good lord.
>
Still not a patch on RJ though, 10 not out. Plus Donaldson has the decency
to call this one "The last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant"
Brinner
Michelle J. Haines
says...
>
> Still not a patch on RJ though, 10 not out. Plus Donaldson has the decency
> to call this one "The last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant"
What's he planning this time? An anti-hero that slices herself with
razor blades all the way across the Land?
Brinner
> In article <cpnv3u$lp1$1...@kermit.esat.net>, briank...@lycos.com
> says...
> >
> > Still not a patch on RJ though, 10 not out. Plus Donaldson has the
decency
> > to call this one "The last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant"
>
> What's he planning this time? An anti-hero that slices herself with
> razor blades all the way across the Land?
>
Not far off the mark surprisingly. Its actually a return mission for Linden
Avery.
You'll find the first chapter at:
http://www.stephendonaldson.com/RotE_Prologue_Chapter1.pdf.
Well worth a read.
Brinner
BunnyThor
> Just finished lord foul's bane over here. I just wanted to say: wow. I
> mean, really. Wow. It's like the lovechild of Dostoyevsky and Tolkien.
> If you haven't already, read this book.
Never recommend a book to me again.
--Thor
BunnyThor
Brinner wrote: Plus Donaldson has the decency
> to call this one "The last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant"
Too bad he didn't call the first book that.
--Thor
Duncan J Macdonald
>
> Duncan J Macdonald wrote:
<snip T.C. UnB>
> > I struggled through all six books back when I was in college, but my
> > masochistic days are waning -- I wouldn't repeat that torture now.
>
> Actually, I like Thomas Covenant. Don't look at him as the hero. Look
> at the people around him as the heroes. He's just there to point out
> how heroic they are. Tom's personal Bloodguard, Saltheart
> Foamfollower, etc. are great people in a great land.
Yet their juxtaposition to Covenant, the archetypical asshole, does
nothing to improve them in my eyes.
So what if he's a White Gold wielder? He's ruining the Land, and
cares nothing for it or its people. If the hero/protagonist doesn't
care about the story he's in, why should I?
To paraphrase a reviewer: "The author's book would be a lot better if
he used different words in a different order."
Daniel Packman
>> at the people around him as the heroes. He's just there to point out
>> how heroic they are. Tom's personal Bloodguard, Saltheart
>> Foamfollower, etc. are great people in a great land.
>Yet their juxtaposition to Covenant, the archetypical asshole, does
>nothing to improve them in my eyes. .....
The Drool Rockworm fanclub disagrees.
--
Daniel Packman
NCAR/ACD
pa...@ucar.edu
Ryan don't call me gunga MacIntosh
mean, really. Wow. It's like the lovechild of Dostoyevsky and Tolkien.
If you haven't already, read this book.
--
RM
Jeffton Bopeton
Actually, I like Thomas Covenant. Don't look at him as the hero. Look
asha...@yahoo.com
Michelle J. Haines wrote:
> In article <cpnt8v$l8c$1...@kermit.esat.net>, briank...@lycos.com
> says...
> >
> > "Ryan don't call me gunga MacIntosh" <Volra...@hotmail.com>
wrote in
> > message news:6109c906.04121...@posting.google.com...
> > > Just finished lord foul's bane over here. I just wanted to say:
wow. I
> > > mean, really. Wow. It's like the lovechild of Dostoyevsky and
Tolkien.
> > > If you haven't already, read this book.
> > >
> >
> > Here here, read this years ago, loved it. The 1st book of the 3rd
trilogy
> > was just released in Ireland about 2 weeks ago. Its great too.
>
> The THIRD trilogy? Good lord.
Actually, from what I understand, it's a quartet. This first one is
like the Prologue book (even Jordan hasn't quite managed that yet) in
that some side character gets all the action and Covenant returns in
the very last sentence.
I've only read the first book. I vague remember enjoying it, although
it took me several attempts to get all the way through.
The Gap series, though, I loved. I do remember the key word for the
Gap series was 'visceral'. It was even more enjoyable given the
explanation of 'The Ring' in the back of the first book.
-Mark Erikson
Duncan J Macdonald
They are, of course, entitled to an opinion ... even a wrong one,
IMVOAHO
Ryan don't call me gunga MacIntosh
Duncan J Macdonald wrote:
> On 14 Dec 2004 14:42:23 -0800, Ryan don't call me gunga MacIntosh
> said...
> > Just finished lord foul's bane over here. I just wanted to say:
wow. I
> > mean, really. Wow. It's like the lovechild of Dostoyevsky and
Tolkien.
> > If you haven't already, read this book.
>
> Only if you are into severely emotionally handicapped protagonists
who
> have no redeeming moral features.
>
I wouldn't go so far as to say he has no redeeming moral features, but
I would say he comes close. However, I don't really see how this makes
the book less enjoyable. Modern literature is full of psychopaths,
self-alienated assholes, emotional vampires, and selfish children. I am
guessing that you have read and enjoyed some of these other books, so
what makes Donaldson different?
Duncan J Macdonald
said...
>
> Duncan J Macdonald wrote:
<snip>
> > Only if you are into severely emotionally handicapped protagonists
> who
> > have no redeeming moral features.
> >
>
> I wouldn't go so far as to say he has no redeeming moral features, but
> I would say he comes close. However, I don't really see how this makes
> the book less enjoyable.
Because I like my heros (of either sex) to have morally redeeming
features?
> Modern literature is full of psychopaths,
> self-alienated assholes, emotional vampires, and selfish children. I am
> guessing that you have read and enjoyed some of these other books, so
> what makes Donaldson different?
You really shouldn't make assumptions like that. Donaldson's Covenant
stuff _is_ no different.