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KalElFan
Sep 21, 2012, 12:02:36 PM9/21/12
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Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
> _Lensman_ and such.
>
> What I wonder is has anybody set up a website to track
> these rumoured projects?
I've added other tv/movie/book groups, to broaden the
discussion to books that become movies or tv series,
and any web site or other reference sources that posters
might recommend.
One respondent on r.a.sf.m. has already suggested the
various geek-type sites, but specifically mentioned only
two: aintitcool.com and comicbookresources.com.
I'll mention hsx.com and wikipedia.org. I may post more
on that in a follow-up to this, because it's where I got the
latest information I could (given a quick search) on the
three specific properties the OP mentioned above (i.e.,
Foundation, Rama, Lensman, none of which I've read).
Bottom line, the news is not good on those projects in
terms of anything being imminent in movies. Two have
been talked about for 12-15 years. One of those (the
Foundation one) got a new writer last year but no word
on it since. The Rama one had a director that gave up
on it last year. Lensman had a writer 4 years ago but
again no word since.
The Clarke (Rama) story goes back 40 years now, the
other two closer to 60 years. Beyond the handicap of
SF stories being that old, these three also seem to be
considered prohibitively expensive to make even by SF
movie/tv standards, and/or too "big" or high concept
or far out there to relate to a big enough audience.
I've seen references to Foundation being Asimov's
best, but also his most unmakeable. Given that even
some of his made ones have been expensive but
haven't done gangbusters at the box office, it may
be a tough sell. Of the three though, I think it may
have the best shot. It belongs to Sony, Emmerich is
attached and it did hire the new writer last year. It
got IPO'd at HSX in 2000 though, so it's been 12+
years now in concept or development.
news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
> _Lensman_ and such.
>
> What I wonder is has anybody set up a website to track
> these rumoured projects?
I've added other tv/movie/book groups, to broaden the
discussion to books that become movies or tv series,
and any web site or other reference sources that posters
might recommend.
One respondent on r.a.sf.m. has already suggested the
various geek-type sites, but specifically mentioned only
two: aintitcool.com and comicbookresources.com.
I'll mention hsx.com and wikipedia.org. I may post more
on that in a follow-up to this, because it's where I got the
latest information I could (given a quick search) on the
three specific properties the OP mentioned above (i.e.,
Foundation, Rama, Lensman, none of which I've read).
Bottom line, the news is not good on those projects in
terms of anything being imminent in movies. Two have
been talked about for 12-15 years. One of those (the
Foundation one) got a new writer last year but no word
on it since. The Rama one had a director that gave up
on it last year. Lensman had a writer 4 years ago but
again no word since.
The Clarke (Rama) story goes back 40 years now, the
other two closer to 60 years. Beyond the handicap of
SF stories being that old, these three also seem to be
considered prohibitively expensive to make even by SF
movie/tv standards, and/or too "big" or high concept
or far out there to relate to a big enough audience.
I've seen references to Foundation being Asimov's
best, but also his most unmakeable. Given that even
some of his made ones have been expensive but
haven't done gangbusters at the box office, it may
be a tough sell. Of the three though, I think it may
have the best shot. It belongs to Sony, Emmerich is
attached and it did hire the new writer last year. It
got IPO'd at HSX in 2000 though, so it's been 12+
years now in concept or development.
KalElFan
Sep 21, 2012, 12:22:29 PM9/21/12
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"KalElFan" wrote in message news:ac3hcg...@mid.individual.net...
> ... I'll mention hsx.com and wikipedia.org. I may post...
Exchange. It's been around since 1996. Strictly "HSX Dollars"
play money, though the site was bought out by Cantor Fitzgerald
a few years back and there were plans (which almost came to
fruition) to morph it into a real exchange. Anyway here are the
pages for the Foundation and Rama projects the OP mentioned:
http://www.hsx.com/security/view/FNDTN
http://www.hsx.com/security/view/RRAMA
You can see the "IPO Date" (The HSX Initial Public Offering) of
each project took place in 2000 and 1998 respectively, so yes
indeed it's been 10-15 years for each of those. Rama is still
listed as in "Concept" Phase and Foundation in "Development"
Phase. Those are the bottom two Phases, the 3rd being
Production, then Wrap (end of Production but still the post-
production, editing, etc. left to go), and then Release. If a
movie gets a release date that will show up but in this case
both of those movies are "n/a".
The description for "Rendezvous with Rama" (RRAMA) gives
a brief description of the Arthur C. Clarke book and then on
the last line says "Director David Fincher and Morgan Freeman
are attached to the project." However if you look down and
center a bit, under "Related Posts," the latest one is dated
December 19, 2011. Clicking the "Read" link leads to the
posting here and I include the key part:
http://www.hsx.com/forum/forum.php?id=3&pid=150772
It cites the MTV source article with a link, excerpting the
relevant Q&A here:
"MTV: One film I've talked to you about in the past is
'Rendezvous With Rama.' Should we keep talking about
it, or should I drop it?
Fincher: You should drop that. It's great but it's just a
really expensive movie, and talk about the bones being
picked by so many other stories .."
So it's been talked about for 12+ years but still hasn't
happened and is down to $.04 HSX money even though
115,481,731 shares are held as I write this. At some
point it may "cash out" (disappear from the exchange)
at $0, but could get re-IPO'd if credible reports surface
that the project might actually go anywhere.
The Foundation (FNDTN) page indicates that it's a
planned trilogy and Director Roland Emmerich is
attached, The latest related post is September 30,
2011 and the link is here followed by its news:
http://www.hsx.com/forum/forum.php?id=3&pid=138985
Citing the deadline.com (Deadline Hollywood) source,
the headline reads "DL: Hot Scribe Dante Harper Takes
On Isaac Asimov's 'Foundation' For Sony And Roland
Emmerich."
So that project may still have a pulse, though it has
been 12 years now since it started to be talked about.
It's currently priced at HSX $8.67 as I write this.
No Lensman project at HSX when I entered that as a
search item. At Wiki there is some info at the bottom
paragraph of this section (again, excerpt following):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lensman_series#Other_appearances
"In 2008, Ron Howard's Imagine Entertainment and
Universal Pictures began negotiations with the author's
estate for rights to film the Lensman series... At the
WonderCon convention in San Francisco in February
2008, J. Michael Straczynski, the creator of Babylon 5,
confirmed that Howard had acquired the rights and
also hinted that he was involved in the project as well.
On 17 June 2008, Straczynski wrote that he had begun
work on the project."
There are three footnotes to that paragraph and the
one for the last sentence is actually from a posting to
rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated. :-) I assume it was
from either JMS or a known proxy. Anyway, it's also
been 4+ years now where nothing appears to have
happened with that. The Wiki mentions Lensman has
similarities to Green Lantern, so the so-so box office
results of the GR movie may have been another thing
that put a damper on further Lensman developments.
> ... I'll mention hsx.com and wikipedia.org. I may post...
> on that in a follow-up to this, because it's where I got the
> latest information I could (given a quick search) on the
> three specific properties the OP mentioned above (i.e.,
> Foundation, Rama, Lensman, none of which I've read).
HSX.com is a movie box office game, HSX = Hollywood Stock
> latest information I could (given a quick search) on the
> three specific properties the OP mentioned above (i.e.,
> Foundation, Rama, Lensman, none of which I've read).
Exchange. It's been around since 1996. Strictly "HSX Dollars"
play money, though the site was bought out by Cantor Fitzgerald
a few years back and there were plans (which almost came to
fruition) to morph it into a real exchange. Anyway here are the
pages for the Foundation and Rama projects the OP mentioned:
http://www.hsx.com/security/view/FNDTN
http://www.hsx.com/security/view/RRAMA
You can see the "IPO Date" (The HSX Initial Public Offering) of
each project took place in 2000 and 1998 respectively, so yes
indeed it's been 10-15 years for each of those. Rama is still
listed as in "Concept" Phase and Foundation in "Development"
Phase. Those are the bottom two Phases, the 3rd being
Production, then Wrap (end of Production but still the post-
production, editing, etc. left to go), and then Release. If a
movie gets a release date that will show up but in this case
both of those movies are "n/a".
The description for "Rendezvous with Rama" (RRAMA) gives
a brief description of the Arthur C. Clarke book and then on
the last line says "Director David Fincher and Morgan Freeman
are attached to the project." However if you look down and
center a bit, under "Related Posts," the latest one is dated
December 19, 2011. Clicking the "Read" link leads to the
posting here and I include the key part:
http://www.hsx.com/forum/forum.php?id=3&pid=150772
It cites the MTV source article with a link, excerpting the
relevant Q&A here:
"MTV: One film I've talked to you about in the past is
'Rendezvous With Rama.' Should we keep talking about
it, or should I drop it?
Fincher: You should drop that. It's great but it's just a
really expensive movie, and talk about the bones being
picked by so many other stories .."
So it's been talked about for 12+ years but still hasn't
happened and is down to $.04 HSX money even though
115,481,731 shares are held as I write this. At some
point it may "cash out" (disappear from the exchange)
at $0, but could get re-IPO'd if credible reports surface
that the project might actually go anywhere.
The Foundation (FNDTN) page indicates that it's a
planned trilogy and Director Roland Emmerich is
attached, The latest related post is September 30,
2011 and the link is here followed by its news:
http://www.hsx.com/forum/forum.php?id=3&pid=138985
Citing the deadline.com (Deadline Hollywood) source,
the headline reads "DL: Hot Scribe Dante Harper Takes
On Isaac Asimov's 'Foundation' For Sony And Roland
Emmerich."
So that project may still have a pulse, though it has
been 12 years now since it started to be talked about.
It's currently priced at HSX $8.67 as I write this.
No Lensman project at HSX when I entered that as a
search item. At Wiki there is some info at the bottom
paragraph of this section (again, excerpt following):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lensman_series#Other_appearances
"In 2008, Ron Howard's Imagine Entertainment and
Universal Pictures began negotiations with the author's
estate for rights to film the Lensman series... At the
WonderCon convention in San Francisco in February
2008, J. Michael Straczynski, the creator of Babylon 5,
confirmed that Howard had acquired the rights and
also hinted that he was involved in the project as well.
On 17 June 2008, Straczynski wrote that he had begun
work on the project."
There are three footnotes to that paragraph and the
one for the last sentence is actually from a posting to
rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated. :-) I assume it was
from either JMS or a known proxy. Anyway, it's also
been 4+ years now where nothing appears to have
happened with that. The Wiki mentions Lensman has
similarities to Green Lantern, so the so-so box office
results of the GR movie may have been another thing
that put a damper on further Lensman developments.
Arthur Lipscomb
Sep 22, 2012, 12:22:35 AM9/22/12
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On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>> _Lensman_
Not the same Lensman as this?
> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>> _Lensman_
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
and such.
>>
>> What I wonder is has anybody set up a website to track
>> these rumoured projects?
>
> I've added other tv/movie/book groups, to broaden the
> discussion to books that become movies or tv series,
> and any web site or other reference sources that posters
> might recommend.
>
> One respondent on r.a.sf.m. has already suggested the
> various geek-type sites, but specifically mentioned only
> two: aintitcool.com and comicbookresources.com.
>
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/
and
http://www.ign.com/movies
I see pages for Foundation and Lensman but not Rama.
http://www.ign.com/movies/foundation/theater-376632
http://www.ign.com/movies/lensman/theater-14227898
Click on "all articles" for the various story links.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2008/01/11/opie-optioning-lensman
You can also try imdb but they're not as good for rumors and far off movies.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0804484/
jack...@bright.net
Sep 22, 2012, 5:43:58 AM9/22/12
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Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
>On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
>> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>> _Lensman_
>
>Not the same Lensman as this?
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
>
>
>and such.
Made as if no one knew about that, which may have be the devout wish
>On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
>> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>> _Lensman_
>
>Not the same Lensman as this?
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
>
>
>and such.
of the Smith estate. (I believe when the anime company licensed the
title to an American comicbook company, the estate was quick to step
in and alert them they had only the rights to what was in the anime,
not the books.)
Much as the recent "I, Robot" movie was the purchace of the title to
cover an existing script, and had nothing to do with the struggle to
get Harlan Ellison's screenplay filmed.
--
-Jack
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Sep 22, 2012, 7:55:05 AM9/22/12
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On 9/22/12 12:22 AM, Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
> On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
>> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>> _Lensman_
>
> Not the same Lensman as this?
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
That is an abomination against Civilization.
> On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
>> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>> _Lensman_
>
> Not the same Lensman as this?
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
No, there was a relatively recent effort to get a Lensman movie made,
including JMS and I think Ron Howard. The main investors eventually
dropped it, alas.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Sep 22, 2012, 7:57:35 AM9/22/12
to
On 9/22/12 5:43 AM, jack...@bright.net wrote:
> Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
>>> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>>> _Lensman_
>>
>> Not the same Lensman as this?
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
>>
>>
>> and such.
>
> Made as if no one knew about that, which may have be the devout wish
> of the Smith estate. (I believe when the anime company licensed the
> title to an American comicbook company, the estate was quick to step
> in and alert them they had only the rights to what was in the anime,
> not the books.)
>
That... thing was responsible for the Smith estate yanking all the
> Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
>>> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>>> _Lensman_
>>
>> Not the same Lensman as this?
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
>>
>>
>> and such.
>
> Made as if no one knew about that, which may have be the devout wish
> of the Smith estate. (I believe when the anime company licensed the
> title to an American comicbook company, the estate was quick to step
> in and alert them they had only the rights to what was in the anime,
> not the books.)
>
rights from ANYONE for years. That was eventually broken by SJG
effectively going to Verna Smith Trestrail on bended knees begging for
the chance to do GURPS Lensman, which was a marvelous bit of work
(albeit for a system I felt was LEAST appropriate for Lensman).
Dorothy J Heydt
Sep 22, 2012, 10:58:39 AM9/22/12
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In article <k3jee7$lp8$1...@dont-email.me>,
I walked out after the first five minutes of that thing.
My son, who sat through it to the end, reported, "Actually, it's
pretty good anime. It's just not the Lensman."
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
>> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>> _Lensman_
>
>Not the same Lensman as this?
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
We'll hope not.
>On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
>> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>> _Lensman_
>
>Not the same Lensman as this?
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
I walked out after the first five minutes of that thing.
My son, who sat through it to the end, reported, "Actually, it's
pretty good anime. It's just not the Lensman."
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Invid Fan
Sep 22, 2012, 2:31:36 PM9/22/12
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In article <k3k93f$bkr$2...@dont-email.me>, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
for one of the early Japanese uses of CGI, along with Golgo 13).
--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> On 9/22/12 5:43 AM, jack...@bright.net wrote:
> > Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
> >>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
> >>> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
> >>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
> >>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
> >>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
> >>>> _Lensman_
> >>
> >> Not the same Lensman as this?
> >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
> >>
> >>
> >> and such.
> >
> > Made as if no one knew about that, which may have be the devout wish
> > of the Smith estate. (I believe when the anime company licensed the
> > title to an American comicbook company, the estate was quick to step
> > in and alert them they had only the rights to what was in the anime,
> > not the books.)
> >
>
> That... thing was responsible for the Smith estate yanking all the
> rights from ANYONE for years.
The comic was actually fun, unlike the anime (which was only notable
> On 9/22/12 5:43 AM, jack...@bright.net wrote:
> > Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
> >>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
> >>> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
> >>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
> >>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
> >>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
> >>>> _Lensman_
> >>
> >> Not the same Lensman as this?
> >> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
> >>
> >>
> >> and such.
> >
> > Made as if no one knew about that, which may have be the devout wish
> > of the Smith estate. (I believe when the anime company licensed the
> > title to an American comicbook company, the estate was quick to step
> > in and alert them they had only the rights to what was in the anime,
> > not the books.)
> >
>
> That... thing was responsible for the Smith estate yanking all the
> rights from ANYONE for years.
for one of the early Japanese uses of CGI, along with Golgo 13).
--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
Arthur Lipscomb
Sep 24, 2012, 1:09:26 AM9/24/12
to
back when the sci-fi channel used to run anime on weekends. As I
recall, I liked it but I have no real memory of it other than the lead
character had a jewel or something in the palm of his hand.
Michael Stemper
Sep 24, 2012, 9:29:23 AM9/24/12
to
In article <k3jee7$lp8$1...@dont-email.me>, Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> writes:
>On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>> _Lensman_
>
>Not the same Lensman as this?
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
Hopefully, not based on that but on Doc Smith's Lensman series.
>On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>> _Lensman_
>
>Not the same Lensman as this?
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Life's too important to take seriously.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Sep 24, 2012, 9:32:40 AM9/24/12
to
On 9/24/12 9:29 AM, Michael Stemper wrote:
> In article <k3jee7$lp8$1...@dont-email.me>, Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> writes:
>> On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>
>>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>>> _Lensman_
>>
>> Not the same Lensman as this?
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
>
> Hopefully, not based on that but on Doc Smith's Lensman series.
>
There was such a project, involving Ron Howard and JMS, but in the end
> In article <k3jee7$lp8$1...@dont-email.me>, Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> writes:
>> On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>
>>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>>> _Lensman_
>>
>> Not the same Lensman as this?
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
>
> Hopefully, not based on that but on Doc Smith's Lensman series.
>
it fell through, alas.
Bill Steele
Sep 24, 2012, 1:25:43 PM9/24/12
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In article <k3jee7$lp8$1...@dont-email.me>,
movie.
Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
> > Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
> > news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
> >> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
> >> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
> >> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
> >> _Lensman_
>
> Not the same Lensman as this?
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
One hopes not, because there wasn't much left of the original in that
> On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
> > Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
> > news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
> >> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
> >> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
> >> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
> >> _Lensman_
>
> Not the same Lensman as this?
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
movie.
Bill Steele
Sep 24, 2012, 1:35:18 PM9/24/12
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In article <k3k8up$bkr$1...@dont-email.me>,
movie for each book. Or perhaps a TV miniseries. (I guess we could skip
Triplanetary.)
But maybe it's impossible. How do you convey mental battles visually?
> On 9/22/12 12:22 AM, Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
> > On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
> >> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
> >> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
> >>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
> >>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
> >>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
> >>> _Lensman_
> >
> > Not the same Lensman as this?
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
>
>
> That is an abomination against Civilization.
>
> No, there was a relatively recent effort to get a Lensman movie made,
> including JMS and I think Ron Howard. The main investors eventually
> dropped it, alas.
Where's Geoge Lucas when you need him? It should be a series, with one
> > On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
> >> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
> >> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
> >>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
> >>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
> >>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
> >>> _Lensman_
> >
> > Not the same Lensman as this?
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
>
>
> That is an abomination against Civilization.
>
> No, there was a relatively recent effort to get a Lensman movie made,
> including JMS and I think Ron Howard. The main investors eventually
> dropped it, alas.
movie for each book. Or perhaps a TV miniseries. (I guess we could skip
Triplanetary.)
But maybe it's impossible. How do you convey mental battles visually?
Michael Black
Sep 24, 2012, 1:46:33 PM9/24/12
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Wars films (the rumor always was way back when that he'd envisioned nine
films), they take up too much time etc, he's not likely to want to do
another space opera.
> But maybe it's impossible. How do you convey mental battles visually?
>
Michael
Dorothy J Heydt
Sep 24, 2012, 2:08:00 PM9/24/12
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In article <ws21-AB1142.1...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Lucas, so I'm told, *wanted* to do the Lensman series and
couldn't get the rights (the Trestrails having been burned by
that anime, and done whatever necessary to get the rights back).
So he did Star Wars instead.
Or so I'm told.
at each other? Think of any mage battle in any video game.
Mind you, that could be done well or it could be done horribly,
depending on the sensitivity of the director and the size of his
budget.
couldn't get the rights (the Trestrails having been burned by
that anime, and done whatever necessary to get the rights back).
So he did Star Wars instead.
Or so I'm told.
>
>But maybe it's impossible. How do you convey mental battles visually?
Colored waves and shapes and things struggling with and throwing
>But maybe it's impossible. How do you convey mental battles visually?
at each other? Think of any mage battle in any video game.
Mind you, that could be done well or it could be done horribly,
depending on the sensitivity of the director and the size of his
budget.
Invid Fan
Sep 24, 2012, 4:03:39 PM9/24/12
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In article <MAv91...@kithrup.com>, Dorothy J Heydt
the rights, but the anime is a decade or two too late. Now, I could see
him wanting to adapt it instead of doing prequels, and getting shot
down there...
<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> Lucas, so I'm told, *wanted* to do the Lensman series and
> couldn't get the rights (the Trestrails having been burned by
> that anime, and done whatever necessary to get the rights back).
> So he did Star Wars instead.
>
> Or so I'm told.
I can imagine he couldn't get the rights, or no studio would pay for
> Lucas, so I'm told, *wanted* to do the Lensman series and
> couldn't get the rights (the Trestrails having been burned by
> that anime, and done whatever necessary to get the rights back).
> So he did Star Wars instead.
>
> Or so I'm told.
the rights, but the anime is a decade or two too late. Now, I could see
him wanting to adapt it instead of doing prequels, and getting shot
down there...
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Sep 24, 2012, 4:35:39 PM9/24/12
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On 9/24/12 1:35 PM, Bill Steele wrote:
> In article <k3k8up$bkr$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/12 12:22 AM, Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
>>> On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>>>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
>>>> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>>>> _Lensman_
>>>
>>> Not the same Lensman as this?
>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
>>
>>
>> That is an abomination against Civilization.
>>
>> No, there was a relatively recent effort to get a Lensman movie made,
>> including JMS and I think Ron Howard. The main investors eventually
>> dropped it, alas.
>
> Where's Geoge Lucas when you need him?
I wouldn't trust Lucas with this one. Not without some reason to
> In article <k3k8up$bkr$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/12 12:22 AM, Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
>>> On 9/21/2012 9:02 AM, KalElFan wrote:
>>>> Last week on rec.arts.sf.movies, "het" asked in message
>>>> news:k2pvrt$nam$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>>>> Several times in the last 10 or 15 years, I have seen rumours
>>>>> and whispers of movies being made of classical (great?) SF stories.
>>>>> I'm thinking of books like _The Foundation Trilogy_, _Rama_,
>>>>> _Lensman_
>>>
>>> Not the same Lensman as this?
>>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088028/
>>
>>
>> That is an abomination against Civilization.
>>
>> No, there was a relatively recent effort to get a Lensman movie made,
>> including JMS and I think Ron Howard. The main investors eventually
>> dropped it, alas.
>
> Where's Geoge Lucas when you need him?
believe him.
JMS clearly KNOWS Lensman and understands it. He did his own modern,
less B&W take on it for B5 but I suspect he knows exactly how to do the
pure-quill original, given time and budget.
It should be a series, with one
> movie for each book. Or perhaps a TV miniseries. (I guess we could skip
> Triplanetary.)
>
> But maybe it's impossible. How do you convey mental battles visually?
>
David DeLaney
Sep 24, 2012, 6:21:47 PM9/24/12
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Bill Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>But maybe it's impossible. How do you convey mental battles visually?
Psychedelically.
>But maybe it's impossible. How do you convey mental battles visually?
Dave, ask Mr. Kubrick
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
William December Starr
Sep 24, 2012, 10:26:59 PM9/24/12
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In article <k3qg6r$v48$2...@dont-email.me>,
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
> Bill Steele wrote:
>
>> It should be a series, with one movie for each book. Or perhaps a
>> TV miniseries. (I guess we could skip Triplanetary.)
>>
>> But maybe it's impossible. How do you convey mental battles
>> visually?
>
> The Japanese have long since perfected that; it's not hard to do.
Do we really want Kimball Kinnison shouting out the name of every
attack he's about to use?
-- wds
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
> Bill Steele wrote:
>
>> It should be a series, with one movie for each book. Or perhaps a
>> TV miniseries. (I guess we could skip Triplanetary.)
>>
>> But maybe it's impossible. How do you convey mental battles
>> visually?
>
> The Japanese have long since perfected that; it's not hard to do.
attack he's about to use?
-- wds
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Sep 24, 2012, 11:24:40 PM9/24/12
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David Johnston
Sep 25, 2012, 12:44:52 AM9/25/12
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differently.
Bill Steele
Sep 25, 2012, 12:51:08 PM9/25/12
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In article <k3rcsd$jgj$1...@dont-email.me>,
Hollywood mostly does it with voice-overs, like Sookie reading thoughts
on True Blood. That wouldn't convey mind control very well. Best I can
think of is to show action first person from the point of view of the
person being controlled. That wouldn't work for the final attack on
Eddore by the Children, though. Or Clarissa reaching out across the
universe to fibnd Kim. That probably would have to be psychedelic
images.
on True Blood. That wouldn't convey mind control very well. Best I can
think of is to show action first person from the point of view of the
person being controlled. That wouldn't work for the final attack on
Eddore by the Children, though. Or Clarissa reaching out across the
universe to fibnd Kim. That probably would have to be psychedelic
images.
Michael Stemper
Sep 26, 2012, 8:28:32 AM9/26/12
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In article <ws21-771F58.1...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, Bill Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> writes:
>In article <k3rcsd$jgj$1...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <davidjo...@block.com> wrote:
>> On 9/24/2012 8:26 PM, William December Starr wrote:
>> > In article <k3qg6r$v48$2...@dont-email.me>, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
[Lensmen]
>In article <k3rcsd$jgj$1...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <davidjo...@block.com> wrote:
>> On 9/24/2012 8:26 PM, William December Starr wrote:
>> > In article <k3qg6r$v48$2...@dont-email.me>, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
>> >>> But maybe it's impossible. How do you convey mental battles
>> >>> visually?
>> >>
>> >> The Japanese have long since perfected that; it's not hard to do.
>> >
>> > Do we really want Kimball Kinnison shouting out the name of every
>> > attack he's about to use?
>>
>> That's a martial arts manga thing. They usually handle Espers quite
>> differently.
>
>Hollywood mostly does it with voice-overs, like Sookie reading thoughts
>on True Blood. That wouldn't convey mind control very well. Best I can
>think of is to show action first person from the point of view of the
>person being controlled. That wouldn't work for the final attack on
>Eddore by the Children, though. Or Clarissa reaching out across the
>universe to fibnd Kim. That probably would have to be psychedelic
>images.
was very well portrayed in Kubrick's _2001_, with Bowman's journey
through the monolith.
david.sh...@ymail.com
Sep 26, 2012, 11:28:26 AM9/26/12
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On Sep 24, 1:35 pm, Bill Steele <w...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> But maybe it's impossible. How do you convey mental battles visually?
You also have a sound track to play with, so how
> But maybe it's impossible. How do you convey mental battles visually?
about extensive theremin work?
David Johnston
Sep 26, 2012, 2:13:38 PM9/26/12
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influenced the Lensman cartoon seeing as how it's the reason Kimball
Kinnison is a farmboy with a cute robot sidekick plucked out of his life
to save the galaxy.)
Wayne Throop
Sep 26, 2012, 2:18:51 PM9/26/12
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: David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
: You have been misinformed. Star Wars came first (and substantially
I mean, I'd read the plot synopsis of the anime when braced for it,
but coming on it by surprise like this...
: You have been misinformed. Star Wars came first (and substantially
: influenced the Lensman cartoon seeing as how it's the reason Kimball
: Kinnison is a farmboy with a cute robot sidekick plucked out of his
: life to save the galaxy.)
Feh. You owe me a new keyboard; this one's got barf all over it.
: Kinnison is a farmboy with a cute robot sidekick plucked out of his
: life to save the galaxy.)
I mean, I'd read the plot synopsis of the anime when braced for it,
but coming on it by surprise like this...
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Sep 26, 2012, 2:42:06 PM9/26/12
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doesn't have a special chant to activate it, though.
Dorothy J Heydt
Sep 26, 2012, 2:43:31 PM9/26/12
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David Johnston
Sep 26, 2012, 3:05:42 PM9/26/12
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On 9/26/2012 12:42 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> On 9/26/12 2:18 PM, Wayne Throop wrote:
>> : David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
>> : You have been misinformed. Star Wars came first (and substantially
>> : influenced the Lensman cartoon seeing as how it's the reason Kimball
>> : Kinnison is a farmboy with a cute robot sidekick plucked out of his
>> : life to save the galaxy.)
>>
>> Feh. You owe me a new keyboard; this one's got barf all over it.
>> I mean, I'd read the plot synopsis of the anime when braced for it,
>> but coming on it by surprise like this...
>>
>
> He left out the fact that he is given the Lens by a dying Lensman.
Well yeah. That's isn't from Star Wars after all. I'm not sure it's
> On 9/26/12 2:18 PM, Wayne Throop wrote:
>> : David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
>> : You have been misinformed. Star Wars came first (and substantially
>> : influenced the Lensman cartoon seeing as how it's the reason Kimball
>> : Kinnison is a farmboy with a cute robot sidekick plucked out of his
>> : life to save the galaxy.)
>>
>> Feh. You owe me a new keyboard; this one's got barf all over it.
>> I mean, I'd read the plot synopsis of the anime when braced for it,
>> but coming on it by surprise like this...
>>
>
> He left out the fact that he is given the Lens by a dying Lensman.
from Green Lantern either. It could just be an inevitable plot device
for how a untrained adolescent gets a Lens in defiance of how such
things are done.
Wayne Throop
Sep 26, 2012, 3:03:04 PM9/26/12
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[Re: wretched lensman anime]
: "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com>
: He left out the fact that he is given the Lens by a dying Lensman.
yadda, a supersitious and cowardly lot with libery and justice for all.
--- Duck Dodgers, in "The Green Loontern"
: "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com>
: He left out the fact that he is given the Lens by a dying Lensman.
: He doesn't have a special chant to activate it, though.
In blackest day or brightest night, watermelon, cantaloupe, yadda
yadda, a supersitious and cowardly lot with libery and justice for all.
--- Duck Dodgers, in "The Green Loontern"
jack...@bright.net
Sep 26, 2012, 4:50:26 PM9/26/12
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:42:06 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>> : David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
>> : You have been misinformed. Star Wars came first (and substantially
>> : influenced the Lensman cartoon seeing as how it's the reason Kimball
>> : Kinnison is a farmboy with a cute robot sidekick plucked out of his
>> : life to save the galaxy.)
I've heard the "so he did Star Wars instead" story with Lucas not
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>> : David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
>> : You have been misinformed. Star Wars came first (and substantially
>> : influenced the Lensman cartoon seeing as how it's the reason Kimball
>> : Kinnison is a farmboy with a cute robot sidekick plucked out of his
>> : life to save the galaxy.)
getting the rights to Flash Gordon, but I can see misremembering it
with the Lens, as mind tricks were not rampant on Mongo, or among the
Jedaks of Barsoom.
> He left out the fact that he is given the Lens by a dying Lensman. He
>doesn't have a special chant to activate it, though.
trip to Arisia.
--
-Jack
Michael Stemper
Sep 27, 2012, 1:03:55 PM9/27/12
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In article <k3vjm4$ogi$2...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> writes:
>On 9/26/2012 12:42 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> On 9/26/12 2:18 PM, Wayne Throop wrote:
>>> : David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
>>> : You have been misinformed. Star Wars came first (and substantially
>>> : influenced the Lensman cartoon seeing as how it's the reason Kimball
>>> : Kinnison is a farmboy with a cute robot sidekick plucked out of his
>>> : life to save the galaxy.)
>>>
>>> Feh. You owe me a new keyboard; this one's got barf all over it.
>>> I mean, I'd read the plot synopsis of the anime when braced for it,
>>> but coming on it by surprise like this...
>>
>> He left out the fact that he is given the Lens by a dying Lensman.
>
>Well yeah. That's isn't from Star Wars after all. I'm not sure it's
>from Green Lantern either.
It matches my memories of how Hal Jordan became Green Lantern; memories
>On 9/26/2012 12:42 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> On 9/26/12 2:18 PM, Wayne Throop wrote:
>>> : David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
>>> : You have been misinformed. Star Wars came first (and substantially
>>> : influenced the Lensman cartoon seeing as how it's the reason Kimball
>>> : Kinnison is a farmboy with a cute robot sidekick plucked out of his
>>> : life to save the galaxy.)
>>>
>>> Feh. You owe me a new keyboard; this one's got barf all over it.
>>> I mean, I'd read the plot synopsis of the anime when braced for it,
>>> but coming on it by surprise like this...
>>
>> He left out the fact that he is given the Lens by a dying Lensman.
>
>Well yeah. That's isn't from Star Wars after all. I'm not sure it's
>from Green Lantern either.
which are borne out by:
<http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Lantern_%28Hal_Jordan%29>
Many years later, a dying alien named Abin Sur, member of the Green
Lantern Corps, crash-landed his ship in the Californian desert.
Having selected a replacement officer for his position, the power
ring chose Hal Jordan for his ability to overcome great fear.
Bill Steele
Sep 27, 2012, 1:37:15 PM9/27/12
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In article <k3vgkh$vgl$1...@dont-email.me>,
All these similarities are a natural outgrowth of doing a story about a
universe that has interstellar travel. Foundation, Federation, Galactic
Patrol, whatever. You have a bunch of good guys and a bunch of bad guys.
Or cops ands robbers, or cowboys and Indians.
The idea of the kid suddenly drawn into the mess is the basic Joseph
Campbell hero tale.
Sure, everybody draws on what came before. Did Star Trek look like
Forbidden Planet...or Captain Future? Was Robby Jay-Score? Or maybe
Spock was.
Oh, and when comparing Lensman and Green Lantern, don't forget Ultraman.
universe that has interstellar travel. Foundation, Federation, Galactic
Patrol, whatever. You have a bunch of good guys and a bunch of bad guys.
Or cops ands robbers, or cowboys and Indians.
The idea of the kid suddenly drawn into the mess is the basic Joseph
Campbell hero tale.
Sure, everybody draws on what came before. Did Star Trek look like
Forbidden Planet...or Captain Future? Was Robby Jay-Score? Or maybe
Spock was.
Oh, and when comparing Lensman and Green Lantern, don't forget Ultraman.
Don Kuenz
Sep 27, 2012, 5:08:48 PM9/27/12
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In rec.arts.sf.written Bill Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> Sure, everybody draws on what came before. Did Star Trek look like
> Forbidden Planet...or Captain Future? Was Robby Jay-Score? Or maybe
> Spock was.
Some see _Forbidden Planet_ as a makeover of Shakespeare's
> Sure, everybody draws on what came before. Did Star Trek look like
> Forbidden Planet...or Captain Future? Was Robby Jay-Score? Or maybe
> Spock was.
_The Tempest_. Speaking of the old boy, at least one Twilight Zone
episode title and one movie title got ripped from these two lines of
_Hamlet_ :
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
(Just to give readers a feeling for how much gets ripped from what came
before.)
"There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
--
Don Kuenz
David Johnston
Sep 27, 2012, 5:11:23 PM9/27/12
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On 9/27/2012 11:03 AM, Michael Stemper wrote:
> In article <k3vjm4$ogi$2...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> writes:
>> On 9/26/2012 12:42 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>> On 9/26/12 2:18 PM, Wayne Throop wrote:
>>>> : David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
>
>>>> : You have been misinformed. Star Wars came first (and substantially
>>>> : influenced the Lensman cartoon seeing as how it's the reason Kimball
>>>> : Kinnison is a farmboy with a cute robot sidekick plucked out of his
>>>> : life to save the galaxy.)
>>>>
>>>> Feh. You owe me a new keyboard; this one's got barf all over it.
>>>> I mean, I'd read the plot synopsis of the anime when braced for it,
>>>> but coming on it by surprise like this...
>>>
>>> He left out the fact that he is given the Lens by a dying Lensman.
>>
>> Well yeah. That's isn't from Star Wars after all. I'm not sure it's
>>from Green Lantern either.
>
> It matches my memories of how Hal Jordan became Green Lantern;
Of course it does. But they didn't have to know Green Lantern to think
> In article <k3vjm4$ogi$2...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> writes:
>> On 9/26/2012 12:42 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>> On 9/26/12 2:18 PM, Wayne Throop wrote:
>>>> : David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
>
>>>> : You have been misinformed. Star Wars came first (and substantially
>>>> : influenced the Lensman cartoon seeing as how it's the reason Kimball
>>>> : Kinnison is a farmboy with a cute robot sidekick plucked out of his
>>>> : life to save the galaxy.)
>>>>
>>>> Feh. You owe me a new keyboard; this one's got barf all over it.
>>>> I mean, I'd read the plot synopsis of the anime when braced for it,
>>>> but coming on it by surprise like this...
>>>
>>> He left out the fact that he is given the Lens by a dying Lensman.
>>
>> Well yeah. That's isn't from Star Wars after all. I'm not sure it's
>>from Green Lantern either.
>
> It matches my memories of how Hal Jordan became Green Lantern;
of it. Green Lantern (II) itself comes from Lensman. (Two members of
the corps were even named Arisia and Eddore in tribut to that.). In
both anime Lensman and Green Lantern they are faced with the same
problem, how to give a totally untrained person a vastly powerful weapon
belonging to a corps of interstellar law enforcers. Similar problems
produce similar solutions. Ask any bat.
David Johnston
Sep 27, 2012, 5:13:36 PM9/27/12
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went to an academy and everything.
>
> Sure, everybody draws on what came before. Did Star Trek look like
> Forbidden Planet...or Captain Future?
moviePig
Sep 27, 2012, 5:27:18 PM9/27/12
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On Sep 27, 5:10 pm, Don Kuenz <garb...@crcomp.net> wrote:
The "some" who see 'Tempest' in FORBIDDEN PLANET have strong support
in not only the character-analogues but also in the ships' name:
'Bellerophon'.
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YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com
in not only the character-analogues but also in the ships' name:
'Bellerophon'.
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YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com
David Johnston
Sep 27, 2012, 5:43:29 PM9/27/12
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mentioning the name of their ship.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Sep 27, 2012, 5:50:50 PM9/27/12
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In article <k42fhu$e6m$2...@dont-email.me>,
It would not have been hard to do "Forbidden Planet" as a Pike-era TOS
episode. (Kirk-era wouldn't have been *hard*, but the design aesthetic
from the first pilot fits better).
--
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columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
episode. (Kirk-era wouldn't have been *hard*, but the design aesthetic
from the first pilot fits better).
--
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columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
moviePig
Sep 27, 2012, 6:11:55 PM9/27/12
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hearing the ship's name in the movie's early scenes.
David Johnston
Sep 27, 2012, 6:20:15 PM9/27/12
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Bill Anderson
Sep 27, 2012, 6:43:51 PM9/27/12
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"The Tempest." I searched the text:
http://shakespeare.mit.edu/tempest/full.html
It is, however, the name of the space ship in "Forbidden Planet" -- and
a few other things as well.
--
Bill Anderson
I am the Mighty Favog
Dorothy J Heydt
Sep 27, 2012, 6:30:03 PM9/27/12
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In article <17809b26-c687-4548...@o7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
You're correct; the Bellerophon was the ship that brought the
original party (of whom only Dr. Morbius and his daughter are
survivors) to Altair 4. But I don't see what the classical
Bellerophon has to do with _The Tempest._ Bellerophon was a
mythical hero, who captured and tamed Pegasus and slew the
Chimera.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellerophon
original party (of whom only Dr. Morbius and his daughter are
survivors) to Altair 4. But I don't see what the classical
Bellerophon has to do with _The Tempest._ Bellerophon was a
mythical hero, who captured and tamed Pegasus and slew the
Chimera.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellerophon
Dorothy J Heydt
Sep 27, 2012, 6:30:27 PM9/27/12
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Wayne Throop
Sep 27, 2012, 7:47:43 PM9/27/12
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:::: I don't recally the castaways ever mentioning the name of their ship.
::: If I'm wrong, of course, it doesn't. But I "remember" seeing and/or
::: hearing the ship's name in the movie's early scenes.
:: I was asking about the Shakespeare play.
: djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
: Oh, those castaways. No, their ship is never named.
So... not the Minnow, then?
(What? Everybody was thinking it amiright?)
::: If I'm wrong, of course, it doesn't. But I "remember" seeing and/or
::: hearing the ship's name in the movie's early scenes.
:: I was asking about the Shakespeare play.
: Oh, those castaways. No, their ship is never named.
So... not the Minnow, then?
(What? Everybody was thinking it amiright?)
Dorothy J Heydt
Sep 27, 2012, 7:52:45 PM9/27/12
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Dragon Lady
Sep 27, 2012, 9:28:55 PM9/27/12
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"Don Kuenz" <gar...@crcomp.net> wrote in message
news:2012...@crcomp.net...
sun....
Dimensional Traveler
Sep 27, 2012, 10:04:52 PM9/27/12
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Don Kuenz
Sep 27, 2012, 10:07:42 PM9/27/12
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In rec.arts.sf.written Dragon Lady <sgt...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> "Don Kuenz" <gar...@crcomp.net> wrote in message
>
> "Don Kuenz" <gar...@crcomp.net> wrote in message
>> "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
>
> You realize that implies that there *are* new things if we get away from the
> sun....
One may not even have to go that far. Silicon chips are something new
>
> You realize that implies that there *are* new things if we get away from the
> sun....
that appeared under the sun after Solomon walked the sandy earth.
It's poetry to me.
--
Don Kuenz
moviePig
Sep 27, 2012, 10:11:24 PM9/27/12
to
strangle the uninformed sumbitch who told me it was. (Wait... that's
me, now...)
Don Kuenz
Sep 27, 2012, 10:45:54 PM9/27/12
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In rec.arts.sf.written Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> In article <k42jet$6ob$1...@dont-email.me>,
thread). But, skimming has it's own rewards. Miranda popped up often
enough to remind me that Joss Whedon ripped it and used it as the name
of a planet in _Serenity_. A site pointed out that Whedon also ripped
Ariel the sprite from _Tempest_ and used it as the name of a planet in
_Firefly_.
PROSPERO
...
Go release them, Ariel:
My charms I'll break, their senses I'll restore,
And they shall be themselves.
ARIEL
I'll fetch them, sir.
Exit
PROSPERO
Ye elves of hills, brooks, standing lakes and groves,
And ye that on the sands with printless foot
Do chase the ebbing Neptune and do fly him
...
--
Don Kuenz
> In article <k42jet$6ob$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Oh, those castaways. No, their ship is never named.
Good show! I wasn't smart enough to do a text search (like some in the
thread). But, skimming has it's own rewards. Miranda popped up often
enough to remind me that Joss Whedon ripped it and used it as the name
of a planet in _Serenity_. A site pointed out that Whedon also ripped
Ariel the sprite from _Tempest_ and used it as the name of a planet in
_Firefly_.
PROSPERO
...
Go release them, Ariel:
My charms I'll break, their senses I'll restore,
And they shall be themselves.
ARIEL
I'll fetch them, sir.
Exit
PROSPERO
Ye elves of hills, brooks, standing lakes and groves,
And ye that on the sands with printless foot
Do chase the ebbing Neptune and do fly him
...
--
Don Kuenz
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Sep 27, 2012, 11:11:45 PM9/27/12
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Up where they stay all day in the sun
Wanderin' free - wish I could be
Part of that world
Wayne Throop
Sep 27, 2012, 11:45:42 PM9/27/12
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:: PROSPERO
Where babies burp and flowers bloom.
Everyone dreams, I can dream too.
Up there, up where the skies are ocean blue.
I can be safe and live without a care
If only I could live up there.
(from the best disney animated musical of the decade...
sadly, not made by disney)
You see the distant flames, they bellow in the night
You fight in all our names, for what we know is right
And when you all get shot and cannot carry on
Though you die, La Resistance lives on
(ibid)
:: ...
:: Go release them, Ariel:
:: My charms I'll break, their senses I'll restore,
:: And they shall be themselves.
::
:: ARIEL
: Up where they walk, up where they run
: Up where they stay all day in the sun
: Wanderin' free - wish I could be
: Part of that world
Up there, there is so much room,
:: Go release them, Ariel:
:: My charms I'll break, their senses I'll restore,
:: And they shall be themselves.
::
:: ARIEL
: Up where they walk, up where they run
: Up where they stay all day in the sun
: Wanderin' free - wish I could be
: Part of that world
Where babies burp and flowers bloom.
Everyone dreams, I can dream too.
Up there, up where the skies are ocean blue.
I can be safe and live without a care
If only I could live up there.
(from the best disney animated musical of the decade...
sadly, not made by disney)
You see the distant flames, they bellow in the night
You fight in all our names, for what we know is right
And when you all get shot and cannot carry on
Though you die, La Resistance lives on
(ibid)
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Sep 28, 2012, 12:11:17 AM9/28/12
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made another SP movie.
Gene Wirchenko
Sep 28, 2012, 1:44:07 AM9/28/12
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 19:28:55 -0600, "Dragon Lady"
<sgt...@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Don Kuenz" <gar...@crcomp.net> wrote in message
>news:2012...@crcomp.net...
[snip]
<sgt...@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Don Kuenz" <gar...@crcomp.net> wrote in message
>news:2012...@crcomp.net...
>> "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
>
>You realize that implies that there *are* new things if we get away from the
>sun....
What sorts of things? Vampires?
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
Dorothy J Heydt
Sep 28, 2012, 1:55:34 AM9/28/12
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>In rec.arts.sf.written Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> In article <k42jet$6ob$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>>>On 9/27/2012 4:11 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On Sep 27, 5:43 pm, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/27/2012 3:27 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The "some" who see 'Tempest' in FORBIDDEN PLANET have strong support
>>>>>> in not only the character-analogues but also in the ships' name:
>>>>>> 'Bellerophon'.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does that make a connection? I don't recally the castaways ever
>>>>> mentioning the name of their ship.
>>>>
>>>> If I'm wrong, of course, it doesn't. But I "remember" seeing and/or
>>>> hearing the ship's name in the movie's early scenes.
>>>
>>>I was asking about the Shakespeare play.
>>
>> Oh, those castaways. No, their ship is never named.
>
>Good show! I wasn't smart enough to do a text search (like some in the
>thread). But, skimming has it's own rewards. Miranda popped up often
>enough to remind me that Joss Whedon ripped it and used it as the name
>of a planet in _Serenity_. A site pointed out that Whedon also ripped
>Ariel the sprite from _Tempest_ and used it as the name of a planet in
>_Firefly_.
Not to mention that Miranda and Ariel are both satellites of
>> In article <k42jet$6ob$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>>>On 9/27/2012 4:11 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On Sep 27, 5:43 pm, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/27/2012 3:27 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The "some" who see 'Tempest' in FORBIDDEN PLANET have strong support
>>>>>> in not only the character-analogues but also in the ships' name:
>>>>>> 'Bellerophon'.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does that make a connection? I don't recally the castaways ever
>>>>> mentioning the name of their ship.
>>>>
>>>> If I'm wrong, of course, it doesn't. But I "remember" seeing and/or
>>>> hearing the ship's name in the movie's early scenes.
>>>
>>>I was asking about the Shakespeare play.
>>
>> Oh, those castaways. No, their ship is never named.
>
>Good show! I wasn't smart enough to do a text search (like some in the
>thread). But, skimming has it's own rewards. Miranda popped up often
>enough to remind me that Joss Whedon ripped it and used it as the name
>of a planet in _Serenity_. A site pointed out that Whedon also ripped
>Ariel the sprite from _Tempest_ and used it as the name of a planet in
>_Firefly_.
Uranus. Along with Oberon, Titania, Umbriel, Cordelia, Ophelia,
Puck, Mab, Sycorax, Trinculo, Francisco, Stephano, Margaret,
Bianca, Cressida, Desdemona, Juliet, Portia, Rosalind, Cupid, Perdita,
and Belinda. Mostly from Shakespeare; most of those from _The
Tempest._ Umbriel and Belinda are from Pope's "The Rape of the
Lock," which also features Ariel but so does _The Tempest._
Some asteroids share the same names: 171 Ophelia, 218 Bianca, 593
Titania, 666 Desdemona, 763 Cupido, and 2758 Cordelia.
This from Wikipedia, which can probably be taken on this subject
without too many grains of salt.
David DeLaney
Sep 28, 2012, 2:46:37 AM9/28/12
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Michael Stemper <mste...@walkabout.empros.com> wrote:
>It matches my memories of how Hal Jordan became Green Lantern; memories
>which are borne out by:
><http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Lantern_%28Hal_Jordan%29>
>
> Many years later, a dying alien named Abin Sur, member of the Green
> Lantern Corps, crash-landed his ship in the Californian desert.
> Having selected a replacement officer for his position, the power
> ring chose Hal Jordan for his ability to overcome great fear.
Which is either wiki-incorrect, or was later changed to, his ability to be
>It matches my memories of how Hal Jordan became Green Lantern; memories
>which are borne out by:
><http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Lantern_%28Hal_Jordan%29>
>
> Many years later, a dying alien named Abin Sur, member of the Green
> Lantern Corps, crash-landed his ship in the Californian desert.
> Having selected a replacement officer for his position, the power
> ring chose Hal Jordan for his ability to overcome great fear.
a man _without_ fear. (Which, if you think about it, isn't actually something
you want in a test pilot steering one or more of your expensive prototype
planes...)
Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
David DeLaney
Sep 28, 2012, 2:49:20 AM9/28/12
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>> David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>>>I was asking about the Shakespeare play.
>>
>> Oh, those castaways. No, their ship is never named.
>
>Good show! I wasn't smart enough to do a text search (like some in the
>thread). But, skimming has it's own rewards. Miranda popped up often
>enough to remind me that Joss Whedon ripped it and used it as the name
>of a planet in _Serenity_. A site pointed out that Whedon also ripped
>Ariel the sprite from _Tempest_ and used it as the name of a planet in
>_Firefly_.
>
> PROSPERO
> ...
> Go release them, Ariel:
> My charms I'll break, their senses I'll restore,
> And they shall be themselves.
>
> ARIEL
> I'll fetch them, sir.
>
> Exit
>
> PROSPERO
> Ye elves of hills, brooks, standing lakes and groves,
> And ye that on the sands with printless foot
> Do chase the ebbing Neptune and do fly him
> ...
And of course Ms. Lamplighter, who I understand is in real life John C.
>>>I was asking about the Shakespeare play.
>>
>> Oh, those castaways. No, their ship is never named.
>
>Good show! I wasn't smart enough to do a text search (like some in the
>thread). But, skimming has it's own rewards. Miranda popped up often
>enough to remind me that Joss Whedon ripped it and used it as the name
>of a planet in _Serenity_. A site pointed out that Whedon also ripped
>Ariel the sprite from _Tempest_ and used it as the name of a planet in
>_Firefly_.
>
> PROSPERO
> ...
> Go release them, Ariel:
> My charms I'll break, their senses I'll restore,
> And they shall be themselves.
>
> ARIEL
> I'll fetch them, sir.
>
> Exit
>
> PROSPERO
> Ye elves of hills, brooks, standing lakes and groves,
> And ye that on the sands with printless foot
> Do chase the ebbing Neptune and do fly him
> ...
Wright's wife?, is in the middle of a trilogy about Miranda several centuries
later, dealing with being CEO of her missing father's company, her several
siblings and their staves of power formed from his given-up books, and her
assistant wind-spirit Mab incarnated as a noirish detective guy. Recommended.
Brian M. Scott
Sep 28, 2012, 2:37:23 AM9/28/12
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:07:42 -0500, Don Kuenz
<gar...@crcomp.net> wrote in <news:2012...@crcomp.net> in
rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.tv:
[...]
> Silicon chips are something new that appeared under the
> sun after Solomon walked the sandy earth.
Clearly Solomon had to contend with silicon chips. Hard on
the feet they are, especially when hot.
[...]
Brian
<gar...@crcomp.net> wrote in <news:2012...@crcomp.net> in
rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.tv:
[...]
> Silicon chips are something new that appeared under the
> sun after Solomon walked the sandy earth.
the feet they are, especially when hot.
[...]
Brian
David Goldfarb
Sep 28, 2012, 2:58:37 AM9/28/12
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In article <slrnk6ag6...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
"born without fear". In recent years that's been changed, so that now
Green Lanterns are chosen for the ability to overcome great fear (something
that makes a bit more sense, for the sort of reason you mention).
Sinestro Corps members are chosen for the ability to instill great fear
(and yes, they tried to recruit Batman). Blue Lanterns are chosen for
their great hope. And so on.
--
David Goldfarb |"The Carson/Johnson Law of Human Behavior:
goldf...@gmail.com | 80% of all questions that begin with the word
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | 'why' can be answered with the phrase
| 'People are stupid.'" -- Ted Faber
David DeLaney <d...@vic.com> wrote:
>Michael Stemper <mste...@walkabout.empros.com> wrote:
>>It matches my memories of how Hal Jordan became Green Lantern; memories
>>which are borne out by:
>><http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Lantern_%28Hal_Jordan%29>
>>
>> Many years later, a dying alien named Abin Sur, member of the Green
>> Lantern Corps, crash-landed his ship in the Californian desert.
>> Having selected a replacement officer for his position, the power
>> ring chose Hal Jordan for his ability to overcome great fear.
>
>Which is either wiki-incorrect, or was later changed to, his ability to be
>a man _without_ fear. (Which, if you think about it, isn't actually something
>you want in a test pilot steering one or more of your expensive prototype
>planes...)
Neither. The Green Lanterns were originally selected to have been
>Michael Stemper <mste...@walkabout.empros.com> wrote:
>>It matches my memories of how Hal Jordan became Green Lantern; memories
>>which are borne out by:
>><http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Lantern_%28Hal_Jordan%29>
>>
>> Many years later, a dying alien named Abin Sur, member of the Green
>> Lantern Corps, crash-landed his ship in the Californian desert.
>> Having selected a replacement officer for his position, the power
>> ring chose Hal Jordan for his ability to overcome great fear.
>
>Which is either wiki-incorrect, or was later changed to, his ability to be
>a man _without_ fear. (Which, if you think about it, isn't actually something
>you want in a test pilot steering one or more of your expensive prototype
>planes...)
"born without fear". In recent years that's been changed, so that now
Green Lanterns are chosen for the ability to overcome great fear (something
that makes a bit more sense, for the sort of reason you mention).
Sinestro Corps members are chosen for the ability to instill great fear
(and yes, they tried to recruit Batman). Blue Lanterns are chosen for
their great hope. And so on.
--
David Goldfarb |"The Carson/Johnson Law of Human Behavior:
goldf...@gmail.com | 80% of all questions that begin with the word
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | 'why' can be answered with the phrase
| 'People are stupid.'" -- Ted Faber
Brian M. Scott
Sep 28, 2012, 3:07:40 AM9/28/12
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 02:49:20 -0400, David DeLaney
<d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in
<news:slrnk6agc...@gatekeeper.vic.com> in
rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.tv:
[...]
> And of course Ms. Lamplighter, who I understand is in real
> life John C. Wright's wife?,
Yes.
> is in the middle of a trilogy about Miranda several
> centuries later, dealing with being CEO of her missing
> father's company, her several siblings and their staves
> of power formed from his given-up books, and her
> assistant wind-spirit Mab incarnated as a noirish
> detective guy. Recommended.
The third volume has been out for quite a while. And I also
recommend the Prospero trilogy. (Note, though, that while
we do eventually meet Prospero, it is, as David's capsule
description says, really about Miranda.)
Brian
<d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in
<news:slrnk6agc...@gatekeeper.vic.com> in
rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.tv:
[...]
> And of course Ms. Lamplighter, who I understand is in real
> life John C. Wright's wife?,
> is in the middle of a trilogy about Miranda several
> centuries later, dealing with being CEO of her missing
> father's company, her several siblings and their staves
> of power formed from his given-up books, and her
> assistant wind-spirit Mab incarnated as a noirish
> detective guy. Recommended.
recommend the Prospero trilogy. (Note, though, that while
we do eventually meet Prospero, it is, as David's capsule
description says, really about Miranda.)
Brian
James Silverton
Sep 28, 2012, 8:48:38 AM9/28/12
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Great's horse but it turns out he was the rider of Pegasus. (It's also
been the name of several ships in the Royal Navy, including Napoleon's
transport to St. Helena.)
--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
Extraneous "not" in Reply To.
Michael Stemper
Sep 28, 2012, 9:41:23 AM9/28/12
to
In article <k42fdr$e6m$1...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> writes:
>On 9/27/2012 11:03 AM, Michael Stemper wrote:
>> In article <k3vjm4$ogi$2...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> writes:
>>> On 9/26/2012 12:42 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>>> On 9/26/12 2:18 PM, Wayne Throop wrote:
>>>>> Feh. You owe me a new keyboard; this one's got barf all over it.
>>>>> I mean, I'd read the plot synopsis of the anime when braced for it,
>>>>> but coming on it by surprise like this...
>>>>
>>>> He left out the fact that he is given the Lens by a dying Lensman.
>>>
>>> Well yeah. That's isn't from Star Wars after all. I'm not sure it's
>>>from Green Lantern either.
>of it.
Ah, I misunderstood the intent of your statement.
> In
>both anime Lensman and Green Lantern they are faced with the same
>problem, how to give a totally untrained person a vastly powerful weapon
>belonging to a corps of interstellar law enforcers.
Anybody ever figure out why the creators of the anime felt that they
had to create this problem for themselve?
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Life's too important to take seriously.
>On 9/27/2012 11:03 AM, Michael Stemper wrote:
>> In article <k3vjm4$ogi$2...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> writes:
>>> On 9/26/2012 12:42 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>>> On 9/26/12 2:18 PM, Wayne Throop wrote:
>>>>> Feh. You owe me a new keyboard; this one's got barf all over it.
>>>>> I mean, I'd read the plot synopsis of the anime when braced for it,
>>>>> but coming on it by surprise like this...
>>>>
>>>> He left out the fact that he is given the Lens by a dying Lensman.
>>>
>>> Well yeah. That's isn't from Star Wars after all. I'm not sure it's
>>>from Green Lantern either.
>>
>> It matches my memories of how Hal Jordan became Green Lantern;
>
>Of course it does. But they didn't have to know Green Lantern to think
>> It matches my memories of how Hal Jordan became Green Lantern;
>
>of it.
Ah, I misunderstood the intent of your statement.
> In
>both anime Lensman and Green Lantern they are faced with the same
>problem, how to give a totally untrained person a vastly powerful weapon
>belonging to a corps of interstellar law enforcers.
Anybody ever figure out why the creators of the anime felt that they
had to create this problem for themselve?
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Life's too important to take seriously.
Brian M. Scott
Sep 28, 2012, 10:20:49 AM9/28/12
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:48:38 -0400, James Silverton
<jim.si...@verizon.net> wrote in
<news:k446al$cer$1...@dont-email.me> in
rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.tv:
[...]
> I keep forgetting who was Bellerophon. My guess was
> Alexander the Great's horse
Bucephalus (Βουκέφαλος).
> but it turns out he was the rider of Pegasus. [...]
Brian
<jim.si...@verizon.net> wrote in
<news:k446al$cer$1...@dont-email.me> in
rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.tv:
[...]
> I keep forgetting who was Bellerophon. My guess was
> Alexander the Great's horse
> but it turns out he was the rider of Pegasus. [...]
Brian
Kip Williams
Sep 28, 2012, 10:37:35 AM9/28/12
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Wayne Throop wrote, On 9/27/12 7:47 PM:
Only if they were kooky castaways.
Kip W
rasfw
Kip W
rasfw
Bill Snyder
Sep 28, 2012, 11:06:12 AM9/28/12
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Fusang_, which features a fragmentary song lyric, "this is the
tale of the castaways, here on Caliban's isle . . ."
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]
Ashley Johnson
Sep 28, 2012, 11:13:04 AM9/28/12
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James Silverton
Sep 28, 2012, 11:21:15 AM9/28/12
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Setebos" that might produce some ideas.
Bill Snyder
Sep 28, 2012, 11:30:13 AM9/28/12
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" . . . Sanders takes delight in cute pop culture references, such
as his alternate Will Shaxpur's version of the Tempest, which
bears a suspicious resemblance to Gilligan's Island . . ."
<http://www.sfsite.com/04a/jf78.htm>
(from a review by Rich Horton, even)
Don Kuenz
Sep 28, 2012, 11:33:23 AM9/28/12
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In rec.arts.sf.written David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
> And of course Ms. Lamplighter, who I understand is in real life John C.
> Wright's wife?, is in the middle of a trilogy about Miranda several centuries
> later, dealing with being CEO of her missing father's company, her several
> siblings and their staves of power formed from his given-up books, and her
> assistant wind-spirit Mab incarnated as a noirish detective guy. Recommended.
Percy Bysshe Shelley, patron saint of Marxism, has Queen Mab say the
> And of course Ms. Lamplighter, who I understand is in real life John C.
> Wright's wife?, is in the middle of a trilogy about Miranda several centuries
> later, dealing with being CEO of her missing father's company, her several
> siblings and their staves of power formed from his given-up books, and her
> assistant wind-spirit Mab incarnated as a noirish detective guy. Recommended.
damnest things. To wit, "gold is a living god," which presumably
highlights capitalism's ethos. At least from a Marxist perspective.
LOL.
--
Don Kuenz
Ashley Johnson
Sep 28, 2012, 2:24:03 PM9/28/12
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:30:13 -0500, Bill Snyder wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:13:04 -0500, Ashley Johnson
> <ajoh...@nowhere.for.now.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:06:12 -0500, Bill Snyder wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:37:35 -0400, Kip Williams
>>> <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Wayne Throop wrote, On 9/27/12 7:47 PM:
>>>>> :::: I don't recally the castaways ever mentioning the name of their ship.
>>>>>
>>>>> ::: If I'm wrong, of course, it doesn't. But I "remember" seeing and/or
>>>>> ::: hearing the ship's name in the movie's early scenes.
>>>>>
>>>>> :: I was asking about the Shakespeare play.
>>>>>
>>>>> : djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>>>>> : Oh, those castaways. No, their ship is never named.
>>>>>
>>>>> So... not the Minnow, then?
>>>>>
>>>>> (What? Everybody was thinking it amiright?)
>>>>
>>>>Only if they were kooky castaways.
>>>
>>> There's actually a sf novel, IIRC William Sanders's _Journey to
>>> Fusang_, which features a fragmentary song lyric, "this is the
>>> tale of the castaways, here on Caliban's isle . . ."
>>
>>WRONG! Proof, ko0ky?
>
> Oh, look, a trolltard. What the hell, it's a slow day . . .
Not only a trolltard but a forger. I'm the real one. Note the g00n forging
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:13:04 -0500, Ashley Johnson
> <ajoh...@nowhere.for.now.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:06:12 -0500, Bill Snyder wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:37:35 -0400, Kip Williams
>>> <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Wayne Throop wrote, On 9/27/12 7:47 PM:
>>>>> :::: I don't recally the castaways ever mentioning the name of their ship.
>>>>>
>>>>> ::: If I'm wrong, of course, it doesn't. But I "remember" seeing and/or
>>>>> ::: hearing the ship's name in the movie's early scenes.
>>>>>
>>>>> :: I was asking about the Shakespeare play.
>>>>>
>>>>> : djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>>>>> : Oh, those castaways. No, their ship is never named.
>>>>>
>>>>> So... not the Minnow, then?
>>>>>
>>>>> (What? Everybody was thinking it amiright?)
>>>>
>>>>Only if they were kooky castaways.
>>>
>>> There's actually a sf novel, IIRC William Sanders's _Journey to
>>> Fusang_, which features a fragmentary song lyric, "this is the
>>> tale of the castaways, here on Caliban's isle . . ."
>>
>>WRONG! Proof, ko0ky?
>
> Oh, look, a trolltard. What the hell, it's a slow day . . .
me has a different timezone.
David Johnston
Sep 28, 2012, 2:47:53 PM9/28/12
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fairly recently come out, it was a huge hit in Japan as everywhere, and
they wanted a slice of that appeal so they added Star Wars elements.
Thus he couldn't be an academy graduate out on his first assignment as
the real Kim was. Instead he was a farmboy who stumbled across a secret
message and ends up travelling across the stars with it after his
remaining family was killed. You know, pretty much just like Luke
Skywalker.
Carson Chittom
Sep 28, 2012, 7:30:36 PM9/28/12
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"Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> writes:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:48:38 -0400, James Silverton
> <jim.si...@verizon.net> wrote in
> <news:k446al$cer$1...@dont-email.me> in
> rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.tv:
>
> [...]
>
>> I keep forgetting who was Bellerophon. My guess was
>> Alexander the Great's horse
>
> Bucephalus (Βουκέφαλος).
Not, of course, to be confused with the later famous horse, the Consul
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:48:38 -0400, James Silverton
> <jim.si...@verizon.net> wrote in
> <news:k446al$cer$1...@dont-email.me> in
> rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.tv:
>
> [...]
>
>> I keep forgetting who was Bellerophon. My guess was
>> Alexander the Great's horse
>
> Bucephalus (Βουκέφαλος).
Incitatus.
William December Starr
Sep 29, 2012, 3:52:37 AM9/29/12
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In article <ackmb5...@mid.individual.net>,
t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) said:
> Wayne Throop <thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>
>> Up there, there is so much room,
>> Where babies burp and flowers bloom.
>> Everyone dreams, I can dream too.
>> Up there, up where the skies are ocean blue.
>> I can be safe and live without a care
>> If only I could live up there.
>>
>> (from the best disney animated musical of the decade...
>> sadly, not made by disney)
>>
>> You see the distant flames, they bellow in the night
>> You fight in all our names, for what we know is right
>> And when you all get shot and cannot carry on
>> Though you die, La Resistance lives on
>>
>> (ibid)
>
> The Satan thing was just such a *perfect* homage. I'm surprised
> they never made another SP movie.
I give up. What's the topic here?
-- wds
t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) said:
> Wayne Throop <thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>
>> Up there, there is so much room,
>> Where babies burp and flowers bloom.
>> Everyone dreams, I can dream too.
>> Up there, up where the skies are ocean blue.
>> I can be safe and live without a care
>> If only I could live up there.
>>
>> (from the best disney animated musical of the decade...
>> sadly, not made by disney)
>>
>> You see the distant flames, they bellow in the night
>> You fight in all our names, for what we know is right
>> And when you all get shot and cannot carry on
>> Though you die, La Resistance lives on
>>
>> (ibid)
>
> The Satan thing was just such a *perfect* homage. I'm surprised
> they never made another SP movie.
-- wds
William December Starr
Sep 29, 2012, 3:55:23 AM9/29/12
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In article <zinatf9l60ft$.or9yj7ptcihx$.d...@40tude.net>,
"Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> said:
> David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote
-- wds
"Brian M. Scott" <b.s...@csuohio.edu> said:
> David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote
>
>> And of course Ms. Lamplighter, who I understand is in real
>> life John C. Wright's wife?,
>
> Yes.
>
>> is in the middle of a trilogy about Miranda several
>> centuries later, dealing with being CEO of her missing
>> father's company, her several siblings and their staves
>> of power formed from his given-up books, and her
>> assistant wind-spirit Mab incarnated as a noirish
>> detective guy. Recommended.
>
> The third volume has been out for quite a while. And I also
> recommend the Prospero trilogy. (Note, though, that while
> we do eventually meet Prospero, it is, as David's capsule
> description says, really about Miranda.)
What series is this?
>> And of course Ms. Lamplighter, who I understand is in real
>> life John C. Wright's wife?,
>
> Yes.
>
>> is in the middle of a trilogy about Miranda several
>> centuries later, dealing with being CEO of her missing
>> father's company, her several siblings and their staves
>> of power formed from his given-up books, and her
>> assistant wind-spirit Mab incarnated as a noirish
>> detective guy. Recommended.
>
> The third volume has been out for quite a while. And I also
> recommend the Prospero trilogy. (Note, though, that while
> we do eventually meet Prospero, it is, as David's capsule
> description says, really about Miranda.)
-- wds
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Sep 29, 2012, 4:39:30 AM9/29/12
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In article <k469c5$3kb$1...@panix2.panix.com>,
Well, I hijacked it to "The Little Mermaid", then Wayne hijacked it to
"South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo4XXm8OUP4
"South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo4XXm8OUP4
Brian M. Scott
Sep 29, 2012, 4:40:39 AM9/29/12
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On 29 Sep 2012 03:55:23 -0400, William December Starr
<wds...@panix.com> wrote in
<news:k469hb$k2p$1...@panix2.panix.com> in
rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.tv:
It's a genuine trilogy, not a series, by L. Jagi
Lamplighter. It's actually called the Prospero's Daughter
trilogy; the books are _Prospero Lost_, _Prospero in Hell_,
and _Prospero Regained_.
You may find Miranda a bit unattractive in the first book,
at least for most of it, but it's worth sticking with her:
she grows.
Brian
<wds...@panix.com> wrote in
<news:k469hb$k2p$1...@panix2.panix.com> in
rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.tv:
Lamplighter. It's actually called the Prospero's Daughter
trilogy; the books are _Prospero Lost_, _Prospero in Hell_,
and _Prospero Regained_.
You may find Miranda a bit unattractive in the first book,
at least for most of it, but it's worth sticking with her:
she grows.
Brian
Michael Stemper
Sep 30, 2012, 10:19:21 AM9/30/12
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In article <k44rco$oa2$1...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> writes:
>On 9/28/2012 7:41 AM, Michael Stemper wrote:
>> In article <k42fdr$e6m$1...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> writes:
>>> On 9/27/2012 11:03 AM, Michael Stemper wrote:
[anime named after the Lensmen]
>On 9/28/2012 7:41 AM, Michael Stemper wrote:
>> In article <k42fdr$e6m$1...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> writes:
>>> On 9/27/2012 11:03 AM, Michael Stemper wrote:
>>>> It matches my memories of how Hal Jordan became Green Lantern;
>>>
>>> Of course it does. But they didn't have to know Green Lantern to think
>>> of it.
>>
>> Ah, I misunderstood the intent of your statement.
>>
>>> In
>>> both anime Lensman and Green Lantern they are faced with the same
>>> problem, how to give a totally untrained person a vastly powerful weapon
>>> belonging to a corps of interstellar law enforcers.
>>
>> Anybody ever figure out why the creators of the anime felt that they
>> had to create this problem for themselve?
>
>They wanted to turn Kimball Kinnison into Luke Skywalker. Star Wars had
>fairly recently come out, it was a huge hit in Japan as everywhere, and
>they wanted a slice of that appeal so they added Star Wars elements.
>Thus he couldn't be an academy graduate out on his first assignment as
>the real Kim was. Instead he was a farmboy who stumbled across a secret
>message and ends up travelling across the stars with it after his
>remaining family was killed. You know, pretty much just like Luke
>Skywalker.
some trappings from an author who was dead and less likely to sue. That
makes sense.
Dragon Lady
Oct 1, 2012, 8:39:22 PM10/1/12
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"Dimensional Traveler" <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:506505c4$0$71195$742e...@news.sonic.net...
> On 9/27/2012 6:28 PM, Dragon Lady wrote:
>>
>> "Don Kuenz" <gar...@crcomp.net> wrote in message
>> news:2012...@crcomp.net...
>>> In rec.arts.sf.written Bill Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure, everybody draws on what came before. Did Star Trek look like
>>>> Forbidden Planet...or Captain Future? Was Robby Jay-Score? Or maybe
>>>> Spock was.
>>>
>>> Some see _Forbidden Planet_ as a makeover of Shakespeare's
>>> _The Tempest_. Speaking of the old boy, at least one Twilight Zone
>>> episode title and one movie title got ripped from these two lines of
>>> _Hamlet_ :
>>>
>>> To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
>>> For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
>>>
>>> (Just to give readers a feeling for how much gets ripped from what came
>>> before.)
>>>
>>> "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
>>
>>>
>>>> Sure, everybody draws on what came before. Did Star Trek look like
>>>> Forbidden Planet...or Captain Future? Was Robby Jay-Score? Or maybe
>>>> Spock was.
>>>
>>> Some see _Forbidden Planet_ as a makeover of Shakespeare's
>>> _The Tempest_. Speaking of the old boy, at least one Twilight Zone
>>> episode title and one movie title got ripped from these two lines of
>>> _Hamlet_ :
>>>
>>> To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
>>> For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
>>>
>>> (Just to give readers a feeling for how much gets ripped from what came
>>> before.)
>>>
>>> "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
>>
>> You realize that implies that there *are* new things if we get away from
>> the sun....
>>
> Sorry, that story has already been written.
>> the sun....
>>
>
Yeah, but nobody knows which one is right yet...
Dragon Lady
Oct 1, 2012, 8:41:16 PM10/1/12
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Dragon Lady
Oct 1, 2012, 8:46:45 PM10/1/12
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"William December Starr" <wds...@panix.com> wrote in message
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Dimensional Traveler
Oct 1, 2012, 9:49:44 PM10/1/12
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--
The 'Enterprise' crew in the 2009 Star Trek are adrenaline addicted,
hyper-active teenagers with ADD whose Ritalin got replaced with caffeine
pills, displaying a level of discipline that a Somali pirate wouldn't
tolerate.
Howard Brazee
Oct 1, 2012, 9:59:58 PM10/1/12
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 19:28:55 -0600, "Dragon Lady"
<sgt...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
>
>You realize that implies that there *are* new things if we get away from the
>sun....
Why away? Above the sun should be sufficient. Or at the same
<sgt...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
>
>You realize that implies that there *are* new things if we get away from the
>sun....
level as the sun.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Don Kuenz
Oct 2, 2012, 12:54:09 AM10/2/12
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In rec.arts.sf.written Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 19:28:55 -0600, "Dragon Lady"
> <sgt...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
>>
>>You realize that implies that there *are* new things if we get away from the
>>sun....
>
> Why away? Above the sun should be sufficient. Or at the same
> level as the sun.
Why? The only way to nullify Ecclesiates is to move the earth out from
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 19:28:55 -0600, "Dragon Lady"
> <sgt...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
>>
>>You realize that implies that there *are* new things if we get away from the
>>sun....
>
> Why away? Above the sun should be sufficient. Or at the same
> level as the sun.
under the sun's gravitational pull.
--
Don Kuenz
Wayne Throop
Oct 2, 2012, 2:26:41 AM10/2/12
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:::: Up there, there is so much room,
: As far as I can tell, it's anything you want it to be....
Huh. And here I thought the topic was the movie in which those
two song snippets were occur. Which can be found (eg, among other
methos) via
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22up+there+up+where+the+skies+are+ocean+blue%22
Hm. Wait a sec. That query finds the song alright, but from the alblum.
The first page of results doesn't seem to mention the movie, naict.
So... the musical is "South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut", and features
(in addition to these, mentioned above)
"Up There"
"La Resistance"
such immortal songs as
"Blame Canada"
"What Would Brian Boitano Do?"
and of course minor bits like
"Mountain Town"
"Kyle's Mom's a Bitch"
"It's Easy, MMMMKay?"
And many more. NOW how much would you pay?
As I say, it was *by* *far* the best disney musical of the decade.
Sadly, not made by disney.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park:_Bigger,_Longer_%26_Uncut
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park:_Bigger,_Longer_%26_Uncut_(soundtrack)
When Brian Boitano traveled time to the year 3010
He fought the evil robot king and saved us all again
--- What Would Brian Boitano Do?
He was turned to steel in that great magnetic field
When he traveled time for the future of mankind
Nobody wants him, he just stares at the world
Planning his vengeance that he will soon unfold
Now the time is here for Iron Man to spread fear
Vengeance from the grave, kills the people he once saved
--- Iron Man (but despite the parallels,
I'm sure Brian Boitano would never do that...)
:::: Where babies burp and flowers bloom.
:::: Everyone dreams, I can dream too.
:::: Up there, up where the skies are ocean blue.
:::: I can be safe and live without a care
:::: If only I could live up there.
::::
:::: (from the best disney animated musical of the decade...
:::: sadly, not made by disney)
::::
:::: You see the distant flames, they bellow in the night
:::: You fight in all our names, for what we know is right
:::: And when you all get shot and cannot carry on
:::: Though you die, La Resistance lives on
::::
:::: (ibid)
::: The Satan thing was just such a *perfect* homage. I'm surprised
::: they never made another SP movie.
:: I give up. What's the topic here?
: "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
:::: Everyone dreams, I can dream too.
:::: Up there, up where the skies are ocean blue.
:::: I can be safe and live without a care
:::: If only I could live up there.
::::
:::: (from the best disney animated musical of the decade...
:::: sadly, not made by disney)
::::
:::: You see the distant flames, they bellow in the night
:::: You fight in all our names, for what we know is right
:::: And when you all get shot and cannot carry on
:::: Though you die, La Resistance lives on
::::
:::: (ibid)
::: The Satan thing was just such a *perfect* homage. I'm surprised
::: they never made another SP movie.
:: I give up. What's the topic here?
: As far as I can tell, it's anything you want it to be....
Huh. And here I thought the topic was the movie in which those
two song snippets were occur. Which can be found (eg, among other
methos) via
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22up+there+up+where+the+skies+are+ocean+blue%22
Hm. Wait a sec. That query finds the song alright, but from the alblum.
The first page of results doesn't seem to mention the movie, naict.
So... the musical is "South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut", and features
(in addition to these, mentioned above)
"Up There"
"La Resistance"
such immortal songs as
"Blame Canada"
"What Would Brian Boitano Do?"
and of course minor bits like
"Mountain Town"
"Kyle's Mom's a Bitch"
"It's Easy, MMMMKay?"
And many more. NOW how much would you pay?
As I say, it was *by* *far* the best disney musical of the decade.
Sadly, not made by disney.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park:_Bigger,_Longer_%26_Uncut
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park:_Bigger,_Longer_%26_Uncut_(soundtrack)
When Brian Boitano traveled time to the year 3010
He fought the evil robot king and saved us all again
--- What Would Brian Boitano Do?
He was turned to steel in that great magnetic field
When he traveled time for the future of mankind
Nobody wants him, he just stares at the world
Planning his vengeance that he will soon unfold
Now the time is here for Iron Man to spread fear
Vengeance from the grave, kills the people he once saved
--- Iron Man (but despite the parallels,
I'm sure Brian Boitano would never do that...)
jack...@bright.net
Oct 2, 2012, 5:08:28 AM10/2/12
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Michael Stemper wrote:
>In article <k44rco$oa2$1...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> writes:
>>On 9/28/2012 7:41 AM, Michael Stemper wrote:
>
>[anime named after the Lensmen]
>
>In article <k44rco$oa2$1...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> writes:
>>On 9/28/2012 7:41 AM, Michael Stemper wrote:
>
>[anime named after the Lensmen]
>
>>> Anybody ever figure out why the creators of the anime felt that they
>>> had to create this problem for themselve?
>>
>>They wanted to turn Kimball Kinnison into Luke Skywalker. Star Wars had
>>fairly recently come out, it was a huge hit in Japan as everywhere, and
>>they wanted a slice of that appeal so they added Star Wars elements.
>>Thus he couldn't be an academy graduate out on his first assignment as
>>the real Kim was. Instead he was a farmboy who stumbled across a secret
>>message and ends up travelling across the stars with it after his
>>remaining family was killed. You know, pretty much just like Luke
>>Skywalker.
>
>Okay, so they *really* wanted to rip off _Star Wars_, but clothed it in
>some trappings from an author who was dead and less likely to sue. That
>makes sense.
Heck, I always figured that's why the makers of Battlestar Galactica
>>> had to create this problem for themselve?
>>
>>They wanted to turn Kimball Kinnison into Luke Skywalker. Star Wars had
>>fairly recently come out, it was a huge hit in Japan as everywhere, and
>>they wanted a slice of that appeal so they added Star Wars elements.
>>Thus he couldn't be an academy graduate out on his first assignment as
>>the real Kim was. Instead he was a farmboy who stumbled across a secret
>>message and ends up travelling across the stars with it after his
>>remaining family was killed. You know, pretty much just like Luke
>>Skywalker.
>
>Okay, so they *really* wanted to rip off _Star Wars_, but clothed it in
>some trappings from an author who was dead and less likely to sue. That
>makes sense.
then went on to do the Buck Rogers TV series.
--
-Jack
David DeLaney
Oct 2, 2012, 8:49:48 AM10/2/12
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Don Kuenz <gar...@crcomp.net> wrote:
Dave, to provide a more hospitable environment for hypothesizing
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
>Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>> "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
>>>
>>>You realize that implies that there *are* new things if we get away from the
>>>sun....
>>
>> Why away? Above the sun should be sufficient. Or at the same
>> level as the sun.
>
>Why? The only way to nullify Ecclesia[s]tes is to move the earth out from
>> "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
>>>
>>>You realize that implies that there *are* new things if we get away from the
>>>sun....
>>
>> Why away? Above the sun should be sufficient. Or at the same
>> level as the sun.
>
>under the sun's gravitational pull.
and REORBIT VENUS!!1!
Dave, to provide a more hospitable environment for hypothesizing
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
moviePig
Oct 2, 2012, 9:27:45 AM10/2/12
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- - - - - - - -
YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com
Howard Brazee
Oct 2, 2012, 9:32:54 AM10/2/12
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 23:54:09 -0500, Don Kuenz <gar...@crcomp.net>
wrote:
>>>> "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
>>>
>>>You realize that implies that there *are* new things if we get away from the
>>>sun....
>>
>> Why away? Above the sun should be sufficient. Or at the same
>> level as the sun.
>
>Why? The only way to nullify Ecclesiates is to move the earth out from
>under the sun's gravitational pull.
Are we below the sun's surface, or above it?
>>>> "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
>>>
>>>You realize that implies that there *are* new things if we get away from the
>>>sun....
>>
>> Why away? Above the sun should be sufficient. Or at the same
>> level as the sun.
>
>Why? The only way to nullify Ecclesiates is to move the earth out from
>under the sun's gravitational pull.
Dorothy J Heydt
Oct 2, 2012, 10:12:43 AM10/2/12
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In article <gibl68hrf74bt81o3...@4ax.com>,
With the interesting difference that while BG stank, BR was
pretty good.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
pretty good.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Don Kuenz
Oct 2, 2012, 11:59:12 AM10/2/12
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In rec.arts.sf.written Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> In article <gibl68hrf74bt81o3...@4ax.com>,
> <jack...@bright.net> wrote:
>>Heck, I always figured that's why the makers of Battlestar Galactica
>>then went on to do the Buck Rogers TV series.
>
> With the interesting difference that while BG stank, BR was
> pretty good.
Amen! A couple of years ago I bought the BR DVDs, which piqued my
> In article <gibl68hrf74bt81o3...@4ax.com>,
> <jack...@bright.net> wrote:
>>Heck, I always figured that's why the makers of Battlestar Galactica
>>then went on to do the Buck Rogers TV series.
>
> With the interesting difference that while BG stank, BR was
> pretty good.
curiosity about Erin Gray. That led to the Wiki page about Gray,
which in turn led to a _The Future and You_ interview, available at
http://tinyurl.com/9ku3wu9 (starts at 1:15:50), where Gray shared a
most inspiring story of her career. After sharing Gray's story with my
family, my sister-in-law told me that she named my drop-dead gorgeous
niece Erin after Gray.
--
Don Kuenz
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Oct 2, 2012, 12:00:07 PM10/2/12
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*bad*, while original BSG had some really fun aspects.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
anim8rFSK
Oct 2, 2012, 12:00:16 PM10/2/12
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In article <MB9rH...@kithrup.com>,
Um ... wow. In what possible alternate universe was BR even tolerable,
much less pretty good? Yes, it had some of the hottest women on TV. It
also had one of the worst leading men, and the worst cute robot, and
then in the second season, they took one of the worst shows on
television and Friebergered it!
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
much less pretty good? Yes, it had some of the hottest women on TV. It
also had one of the worst leading men, and the worst cute robot, and
then in the second season, they took one of the worst shows on
television and Friebergered it!
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
Dorothy J Heydt
Oct 2, 2012, 12:13:48 PM10/2/12
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In article <k4f327$m7o$1...@dont-email.me>,
YM obviously V. I think my tolerance for BSG plummeted with the
very first episode, with the introduction of the dagget (if
that's how they spelled it).
very first episode, with the introduction of the dagget (if
that's how they spelled it).
Dorothy J Heydt
Oct 2, 2012, 12:14:13 PM10/2/12
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Oct 2, 2012, 12:48:22 PM10/2/12
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Twiki (beedeebeedeebeeedeee).
Michael Stemper
Oct 2, 2012, 12:48:50 PM10/2/12
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In article <anim8rfsk-3131A...@news.easynews.com>, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> writes:
>In article <MB9rH...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>> In article <gibl68hrf74bt81o3...@4ax.com>, <jack...@bright.net> wrote:
>> >Michael Stemper wrote:
>> >>Okay, so they *really* wanted to rip off _Star Wars_, but clothed it in
>> >>some trappings from an author who was dead and less likely to sue. That
>> >>makes sense.
>> >
>> >Heck, I always figured that's why the makers of Battlestar Galactica
>> >then went on to do the Buck Rogers TV series.
>>
>> With the interesting difference that while BG stank, BR was
>> pretty good.
>
>Um ... wow. In what possible alternate universe was BR even tolerable,
>much less pretty good? Yes, it had some of the hottest women on TV.
For some reason, I doubt that Dorothy cared about that.
>In article <MB9rH...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>> In article <gibl68hrf74bt81o3...@4ax.com>, <jack...@bright.net> wrote:
>> >Michael Stemper wrote:
>> >>Okay, so they *really* wanted to rip off _Star Wars_, but clothed it in
>> >>some trappings from an author who was dead and less likely to sue. That
>> >>makes sense.
>> >
>> >Heck, I always figured that's why the makers of Battlestar Galactica
>> >then went on to do the Buck Rogers TV series.
>>
>> With the interesting difference that while BG stank, BR was
>> pretty good.
>
>Um ... wow. In what possible alternate universe was BR even tolerable,
>much less pretty good? Yes, it had some of the hottest women on TV.
Dorothy J Heydt
Oct 2, 2012, 12:56:29 PM10/2/12
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In article <k4f5th$5cp$2...@dont-email.me>,
No, the actors I remember most from that series were wossname who
played Dr. Huer, and Anthony James as a bad-guy-turned-good-guy
in "Plot to Kill a City."
I also remember with fondness the opening 30 seconds of I forget
which episode, in which Buck wanders into a bar and spies a
humanoid female, long blonde hair, elegant figure, spangled gown
(her back is to him, and us).
Buck: Come here often?
(The female turns around and shows that she has a face full of
tentacles, like Chthulhu.)
Buck (backing off): Guess you do.
Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <anim8rfsk-3131A...@news.easynews.com>,
>anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> writes:
>>In article <MB9rH...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>>> In article <gibl68hrf74bt81o3...@4ax.com>,
><jack...@bright.net> wrote:
>>> >Michael Stemper wrote:
>
>>> >>Okay, so they *really* wanted to rip off _Star Wars_, but clothed it in
>>> >>some trappings from an author who was dead and less likely to sue. That
>>> >>makes sense.
>>> >
>>> >Heck, I always figured that's why the makers of Battlestar Galactica
>>> >then went on to do the Buck Rogers TV series.
>>>
>>> With the interesting difference that while BG stank, BR was
>>> pretty good.
>>
>>Um ... wow. In what possible alternate universe was BR even tolerable,
>>much less pretty good? Yes, it had some of the hottest women on TV.
>
>For some reason, I doubt that Dorothy cared about that.
Acu tetigisti.
>In article <anim8rfsk-3131A...@news.easynews.com>,
>anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> writes:
>>In article <MB9rH...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>>> In article <gibl68hrf74bt81o3...@4ax.com>,
><jack...@bright.net> wrote:
>>> >Michael Stemper wrote:
>
>>> >>Okay, so they *really* wanted to rip off _Star Wars_, but clothed it in
>>> >>some trappings from an author who was dead and less likely to sue. That
>>> >>makes sense.
>>> >
>>> >Heck, I always figured that's why the makers of Battlestar Galactica
>>> >then went on to do the Buck Rogers TV series.
>>>
>>> With the interesting difference that while BG stank, BR was
>>> pretty good.
>>
>>Um ... wow. In what possible alternate universe was BR even tolerable,
>>much less pretty good? Yes, it had some of the hottest women on TV.
>
>For some reason, I doubt that Dorothy cared about that.
No, the actors I remember most from that series were wossname who
played Dr. Huer, and Anthony James as a bad-guy-turned-good-guy
in "Plot to Kill a City."
I also remember with fondness the opening 30 seconds of I forget
which episode, in which Buck wanders into a bar and spies a
humanoid female, long blonde hair, elegant figure, spangled gown
(her back is to him, and us).
Buck: Come here often?
(The female turns around and shows that she has a face full of
tentacles, like Chthulhu.)
Buck (backing off): Guess you do.
anim8rFSK
Oct 2, 2012, 1:08:58 PM10/2/12
to
In article <k4f327$m7o$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
anim8rFSK
Oct 2, 2012, 1:11:00 PM10/2/12
to
In article <k4f5th$5cp$2...@dont-email.me>,
mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
> In article <anim8rfsk-3131A...@news.easynews.com>, anim8rFSK
> <anim...@cox.net> writes:
> >In article <MB9rH...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
> >wrote:
> >> In article <gibl68hrf74bt81o3...@4ax.com>,
> >> <jack...@bright.net> wrote:
> >> >Michael Stemper wrote:
>
> >> >>Okay, so they *really* wanted to rip off _Star Wars_, but clothed it in
> >> >>some trappings from an author who was dead and less likely to sue. That
> >> >>makes sense.
> >> >
> >> >Heck, I always figured that's why the makers of Battlestar Galactica
> >> >then went on to do the Buck Rogers TV series.
> >>
> >> With the interesting difference that while BG stank, BR was
> >> pretty good.
> >
> >Um ... wow. In what possible alternate universe was BR even tolerable,
> >much less pretty good? Yes, it had some of the hottest women on TV.
>
> For some reason, I doubt that Dorothy cared about that.
But that was the only good IN Buck!
> In article <anim8rfsk-3131A...@news.easynews.com>, anim8rFSK
> <anim...@cox.net> writes:
> >In article <MB9rH...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
> >wrote:
> >> In article <gibl68hrf74bt81o3...@4ax.com>,
> >> <jack...@bright.net> wrote:
> >> >Michael Stemper wrote:
>
> >> >>Okay, so they *really* wanted to rip off _Star Wars_, but clothed it in
> >> >>some trappings from an author who was dead and less likely to sue. That
> >> >>makes sense.
> >> >
> >> >Heck, I always figured that's why the makers of Battlestar Galactica
> >> >then went on to do the Buck Rogers TV series.
> >>
> >> With the interesting difference that while BG stank, BR was
> >> pretty good.
> >
> >Um ... wow. In what possible alternate universe was BR even tolerable,
> >much less pretty good? Yes, it had some of the hottest women on TV.
>
> For some reason, I doubt that Dorothy cared about that.
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