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KalElFan
Nov 8, 2012, 5:16:41 PM11/8/12
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Promising news I think...
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
From the second link:
"Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
bring back the three central characters of the original Star
Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
(the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they’d be interested is
unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
director), but Disney wants to make sure they’ve at least
tried the biggest names."
I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
1-2-3 all time IMO.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
From the second link:
"Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
bring back the three central characters of the original Star
Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
(the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they’d be interested is
unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
director), but Disney wants to make sure they’ve at least
tried the biggest names."
I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
1-2-3 all time IMO.
Jim T.
Nov 8, 2012, 5:18:26 PM11/8/12
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:16:41 -0500, "KalElFan"
<kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
>Promising news I think...
>
>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>
>http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>
>From the second link:
>
> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams.
Brad Bird: Yes! Spielberg or Abrams: please no.
<kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
>Promising news I think...
>
>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>
>http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>
>From the second link:
>
> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams.
KalElFan
Nov 8, 2012, 5:26:45 PM11/8/12
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"Jim T." wrote in message
news:jrbo98tvlggcu5ntc...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:16:41 -0500, "KalElFan"
> <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Promising news I think...
>>
>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>>
>> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>>
>> From the second link:
>>
>> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
>> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
>> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
>> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
>> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
>> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
>> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
>> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
>> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
>> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
>> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams...
but I have a hunch Spielberg might be perfect for it.
>> ... Whether they’d be interested is
news:jrbo98tvlggcu5ntc...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:16:41 -0500, "KalElFan"
> <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Promising news I think...
>>
>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>>
>> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>>
>> From the second link:
>>
>> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
>> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
>> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
>> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
>> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
>> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
>> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
>> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
>> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
>> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
>
> Brad Bird: Yes! Spielberg or Abrams: please no.
I'd be happy with any of them or whatever choice Disney makes,
> Brad Bird: Yes! Spielberg or Abrams: please no.
but I have a hunch Spielberg might be perfect for it.
>> ... Whether they’d be interested is
Seapig
Nov 8, 2012, 5:29:26 PM11/8/12
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> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-...
>
> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-i...
>
> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-i...
>
> From the second link:
>
> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> was open to the idea of returning.
No mention of the elephant in the room.
> From the second link:
>
> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> was open to the idea of returning.
Raymond Daley
Nov 8, 2012, 6:42:41 PM11/8/12
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"KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
> Promising news I think...
>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>
> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>
Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>
> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>
Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
Apparently he wanted to die in Jedi but someone teased him with too much of
a deal on merchandising.
I've seen several mooted names to Direct.
The story itself will almost certainly be something by Timothy Zahn though.
So probably by the time Han & Leia have kids in their mid teens, Luke will
have set up the new Jedi school and is probably married to Mara Jade.
All I really want to see is The Katana Fleet.
Please?
Rich
Nov 8, 2012, 7:20:43 PM11/8/12
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"KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in
news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net:
> Promising news I think...
>
Only if you liked Star Wars.
news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net:
> Promising news I think...
>
Only if you liked Star Wars.
Ed Stasiak
Nov 8, 2012, 7:42:59 PM11/8/12
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> KalElFan
>
> Brad Bird
Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
> Steven Spielberg
That's who I'd go with.
> J.J. Abrams.
No, just no.
>
> Brad Bird
Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
> Steven Spielberg
That's who I'd go with.
> J.J. Abrams.
No, just no.
KalElFan
Nov 8, 2012, 8:03:09 PM11/8/12
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"Raymond Daley" wrote in message news:VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4...
> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were
> onboard.
Good.
> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
That would suck, Chewbacca's agonizing roar in the death scene
notwithstanding. :-)
Or they could always kill Han off at the end of seven, satisfying
Ford's criteria AND giving us Chewbacca's agonizing roar, but
then do a nudge-nudge wink-wink on it that Han comes back in
eight. Han's already been all but dead on ice at least once in
the first trilogy.
> Apparently he wanted to die in Jedi but someone teased him
> with too much of a deal on merchandising.
Tease him again then. Or recast Han if he's too expensive or
won't do Han Lives.
> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were
> onboard.
> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
notwithstanding. :-)
Or they could always kill Han off at the end of seven, satisfying
Ford's criteria AND giving us Chewbacca's agonizing roar, but
then do a nudge-nudge wink-wink on it that Han comes back in
eight. Han's already been all but dead on ice at least once in
the first trilogy.
> Apparently he wanted to die in Jedi but someone teased him
> with too much of a deal on merchandising.
won't do Han Lives.
Invid Fan
Nov 8, 2012, 7:12:21 PM11/8/12
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In article <VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4>, Raymond Daley
during the last battle, and sacrifices the ship to blow up the Death
Star II.
--
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'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
<raymon...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
> > Promising news I think...
> >
> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >
> >
> > http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writ
> > er.html
> >
>
> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
> Apparently he wanted to die in Jedi but someone teased him with too much of
> a deal on merchandising.
>
I think the original idea was he would be on the Millennium Falcon
> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
> > Promising news I think...
> >
> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >
> >
> > http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writ
> > er.html
> >
>
> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
> Apparently he wanted to die in Jedi but someone teased him with too much of
> a deal on merchandising.
>
during the last battle, and sacrifices the ship to blow up the Death
Star II.
--
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'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
Michael OConnor
Nov 8, 2012, 8:19:11 PM11/8/12
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>
> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
It would have to be the ghost Yoda, as Yoda died in Return of the
> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
Jedi. I would also think they could also bring back Ewan McGregor for
a cameo as the ghost Obi Wan. I'm guessing a plotpoint will be that
Vader will have fathered another child after he went into the suit and
that son or daughter will be the arch nemesis. I just hope they keep
the CGI characters to a minimum and focus on the real actors, but
knowing that Disney is now pulling the strings, we will probably see
some Ewok or Jar Jar type characters that they can use to sell
merchandise to small children.
Invid Fan
Nov 8, 2012, 8:00:07 PM11/8/12
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In article
<5235e892-940c-4500...@x21g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, Ed
<5235e892-940c-4500...@x21g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, Ed
Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:
> > KalElFan
> >
> > Brad Bird
>
> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>
He directed The Incredibles and the last Mission Impossible film.
> > KalElFan
> >
> > Brad Bird
>
> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>
Murdoc
Nov 8, 2012, 9:27:24 PM11/8/12
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(Silent followup-to ignored. How rude!)
David DeLaney
Nov 8, 2012, 10:18:38 PM11/8/12
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Seapig <sea...@altavista.com> wrote:
>> =A0 "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio=92s brass want to
>> =A0 bring back the three central characters of the original Star
>> =A0 Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
>> =A0 Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
>> =A0 though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
>> =A0 Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
>> =A0 was open to the idea of returning.
Dave
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>> =A0 "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio=92s brass want to
>> =A0 bring back the three central characters of the original Star
>> =A0 Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
>> =A0 Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
>> =A0 though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
>> =A0 Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
>> =A0 was open to the idea of returning.
>
>No mention of the elephant in the room.
...Snuffleupagus?
>No mention of the elephant in the room.
Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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BTR1701
Nov 8, 2012, 10:01:51 PM11/8/12
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In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>,
I'm conflicted about this. It's great for continuity and Ford would be
fine playing an older version of Han. But who wants to see Carrie Fisher
as Leia again? She's more suited to play Jabba these days. Just let me
remember her as the slave girl that led me into puberty!
fine playing an older version of Han. But who wants to see Carrie Fisher
as Leia again? She's more suited to play Jabba these days. Just let me
remember her as the slave girl that led me into puberty!
BTR1701
Nov 8, 2012, 10:02:55 PM11/8/12
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In article <ag332p...@mid.individual.net>,
"KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> "Raymond Daley" wrote in message news:VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4...
>
> > Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were
> > onboard.
>
> Good.
>
> > Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
>
> That would suck, Chewbacca's agonizing roar in the death scene
> notwithstanding. :-)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
> "Raymond Daley" wrote in message news:VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4...
>
> > Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were
> > onboard.
>
> Good.
>
> > Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
>
> That would suck, Chewbacca's agonizing roar in the death scene
> notwithstanding. :-)
BTR1701
Nov 8, 2012, 10:03:18 PM11/8/12
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BTR1701
Nov 8, 2012, 10:09:56 PM11/8/12
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will John Williams still be scoring them?
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Nov 8, 2012, 10:40:00 PM11/8/12
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On 11/8/12 7:42 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> KalElFan
>>
>> Brad Bird
>
> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>> KalElFan
>>
>> Brad Bird
>
> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
Pixar does at all.
That was one of the greatest films made in the past ten years. For any age.
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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Nov 8, 2012, 11:06:25 PM11/8/12
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In article <k7htug$dap$1...@dont-email.me>,
Now where's the sequel, darn it!
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>On 11/8/12 7:42 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>> KalElFan
>>>
>>> Brad Bird
>>
>> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>
> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>Pixar does at all.
>
> That was one of the greatest films made in the past ten years. For any age.
>
>
Agreed on all counts. Also, the greatest superhero film *ever* made.
>On 11/8/12 7:42 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>> KalElFan
>>>
>>> Brad Bird
>>
>> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>
> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>Pixar does at all.
>
> That was one of the greatest films made in the past ten years. For any age.
>
>
Now where's the sequel, darn it!
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Nov 9, 2012, 12:12:16 AM11/9/12
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In article <slrnk9p2qv....@mbp55.local>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>In message <VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4>
>
Can you expand on that? The Zahn Star Wars books I read were quite good.
(Though the original actors are too old for the Thrawn storyline).
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>In message <VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4>
> Raymond Daley <raymon...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Promising news I think...
>>>
>>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>>>
>>>
>http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>>>
>
>> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
>> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
>> Apparently he wanted to die in Jedi but someone teased him with too much of
>> a deal on merchandising.
>
>> I've seen several mooted names to Direct.
>> The story itself will almost certainly be something by Timothy Zahn though.
>
>Oh god, please no.
>
>> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Promising news I think...
>>>
>>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>>>
>>>
>http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>>>
>
>> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
>> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
>> Apparently he wanted to die in Jedi but someone teased him with too much of
>> a deal on merchandising.
>
>> I've seen several mooted names to Direct.
>> The story itself will almost certainly be something by Timothy Zahn though.
>
>
Can you expand on that? The Zahn Star Wars books I read were quite good.
(Though the original actors are too old for the Thrawn storyline).
Murdoc
Nov 9, 2012, 12:37:32 AM11/9/12
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>,
> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Promising news I think...
>>
>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>>
>> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer
>> .html
>>
>> From the second link:
>>
>> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studioοΏ½s brass want to
> In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>,
> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Promising news I think...
>>
>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>>
>> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer
>> .html
>>
>> From the second link:
>>
>> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
>> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
>> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
>> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
>> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
>> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
>> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
>> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
>> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
>> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether theyοΏ½d be interested is
>> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
>> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
>> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
>> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
>> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
>> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
>> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
>> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
>> unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
>> director), but Disney wants to make sure theyοΏ½ve at least
>> tried the biggest names."
>>
>> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
>> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
>> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
>> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
>> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
>> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
>
> The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> will John Williams still be scoring them?
He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
>>
>> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
>> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
>> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
>> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
>> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
>> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
>
> The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> will John Williams still be scoring them?
John Williams's music.
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 12:49:53 AM11/9/12
to
In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>, "KalElFan"
<kale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Promising news I think...
>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>
>
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>
> From the second link:
>
> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they’d be interested is
> unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
> director), but Disney wants to make sure they’ve at least
> tried the biggest names."
Oh God! NNNooo.... not that lazy, talentless, rubber-stamping idiot JJ
>
> Promising news I think...
>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>
>
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>
> From the second link:
>
> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they’d be interested is
> unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
> director), but Disney wants to make sure they’ve at least
> tried the biggest names."
Abrams. I'd rather have Elmo directing.
> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
Universe novels or ignore that idea entirely.
And Jar Jar Binks. ;-)
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 12:51:42 AM11/9/12
to
> Promising news I think...
>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>
>
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>
> From the second link:
>
> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they’d be interested is
> unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
> director), but Disney wants to make sure they’ve at least
> tried the biggest names."
>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>
>
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>
> From the second link:
>
> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they’d be interested is
> unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
> director), but Disney wants to make sure they’ve at least
> tried the biggest names."
Oh God! NNNooo.... not that lazy, talentless, rubber-stamping idiot JJ
Abrams. I'd rather have Elmo directing.
Abrams. I'd rather have Elmo directing.
> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 12:58:33 AM11/9/12
to
> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
> > Promising news I think...
> >
> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >
> >
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
> >
>
> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
No he didn't this time (yet) - you misread what he reportedly said decades
> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
> > Promising news I think...
> >
> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >
> >
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
> >
>
> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
ago for Return of the Jedi. Harrison Ford has said he's open to returning,
but is waiting to see the script and director before actually signing on.
> Apparently he wanted to die in Jedi but someone teased him with too much of
> a deal on merchandising.
>
> I've seen several mooted names to Direct.
> The story itself will almost certainly be something by Timothy Zahn though.
completely ignore all of the Expanded Universe novesl and comic books.
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 1:00:10 AM11/9/12
to
> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
> > Promising news I think...
> >
> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >
> >
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
> >
>
> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
> > Promising news I think...
> >
> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >
> >
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
> >
>
> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
No he didn't this time (yet) - you misread what he reportedly said decades
ago for Return of the Jedi. Harrison Ford has said he's open to returning,
but is waiting to see the script and director before actually signing on.
ago for Return of the Jedi. Harrison Ford has said he's open to returning,
but is waiting to see the script and director before actually signing on.
> Apparently he wanted to die in Jedi but someone teased him with too much of
> a deal on merchandising.
>
> I've seen several mooted names to Direct.
> The story itself will almost certainly be something by Timothy Zahn though.
> a deal on merchandising.
>
> I've seen several mooted names to Direct.
> The story itself will almost certainly be something by Timothy Zahn though.
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 1:04:31 AM11/9/12
to
In article <slrnk9orj...@gatekeeper.vic.com>, d...@vic.com wrote:
> Seapig <sea...@altavista.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 8, 2:16=A0pm, "KalElFan" <kalel...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> >> Promising news I think...
> >> =A0 "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio=92s brass want to
> >> =A0 bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> >> =A0 Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> >> =A0 Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> >> =A0 though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> >> =A0 Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> >> =A0 was open to the idea of returning.
> >
> >No mention of the elephant in the room.
>
> ...Snuffleupagus?
Nope, the blue elephant member of the Max Rebo band in Jabba's Palace. ;-)
> Seapig <sea...@altavista.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 8, 2:16=A0pm, "KalElFan" <kalel...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> >> Promising news I think...
> >> =A0 "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio=92s brass want to
> >> =A0 bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> >> =A0 Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> >> =A0 Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> >> =A0 though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> >> =A0 Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> >> =A0 was open to the idea of returning.
> >
> >No mention of the elephant in the room.
>
> ...Snuffleupagus?
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 1:06:01 AM11/9/12
to
> Seapig <sea...@altavista.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 8, 2:16=A0pm, "KalElFan" <kalel...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> >> Promising news I think...
> >> =A0 "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio=92s brass want to
> >> =A0 bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> >> =A0 Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> >> =A0 Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> >> =A0 though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> >> =A0 Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> >> =A0 was open to the idea of returning.
> >
> >No mention of the elephant in the room.
>
> ...Snuffleupagus?
Nope, the blue elephant in teh Max Rebo band in Jabba's Palace. ;-)
> >On Nov 8, 2:16=A0pm, "KalElFan" <kalel...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> >> Promising news I think...
> >> =A0 "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio=92s brass want to
> >> =A0 bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> >> =A0 Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> >> =A0 Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> >> =A0 though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> >> =A0 Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> >> =A0 was open to the idea of returning.
> >
> >No mention of the elephant in the room.
>
> ...Snuffleupagus?
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 1:13:19 AM11/9/12
to
In article <leqde2lk5vsj$.dmtsjjcf...@40tude.net>, Murdoc
start either. :-(
<murd...@tweedledum.tweedledee.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
>
> > In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>,
> > "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Promising news I think...
> >>
> >> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >>
> >>
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer
> >> .html
> >>
> >> From the second link:
> >>
> >> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio�s brass want to
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
>
> > In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>,
> > "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Promising news I think...
> >>
> >> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >>
> >>
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer
> >> .html
> >>
> >> From the second link:
> >>
> >> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> >> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> >> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> >> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> >> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> >> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> >> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> >> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> >> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> >> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they�d be interested is
> >> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> >> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> >> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> >> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> >> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> >> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> >> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> >> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> >> unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
> >> director), but Disney wants to make sure they�ve at least
> >> tried the biggest names."
> >>
> >> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
> >> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
> >> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
> >> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
> >> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
> >> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
> >
> > The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> > will John Williams still be scoring them?
>
> He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
> John Williams's music.
It's not really going to be "Star Wars" without the Fox fanfare at the
> >>
> >> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
> >> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
> >> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
> >> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
> >> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
> >> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
> >
> > The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> > will John Williams still be scoring them?
>
> He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
> John Williams's music.
start either. :-(
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 1:15:27 AM11/9/12
to
In article <leqde2lk5vsj$.dmtsjjcf...@40tude.net>, Murdoc
<murd...@tweedledum.tweedledee.invalid> wrote:
<murd...@tweedledum.tweedledee.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
>
> > In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>,
> > "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Promising news I think...
> >>
> >> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >>
> >>
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer
> >> .html
> >>
> >> From the second link:
> >>
> >> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio�s brass want to
>
> > In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>,
> > "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Promising news I think...
> >>
> >> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >>
> >>
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer
> >> .html
> >>
> >> From the second link:
> >>
> >> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> >> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> >> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> >> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> >> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> >> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> >> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> >> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> >> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> >> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they�d be interested is
> >> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> >> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> >> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> >> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> >> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> >> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> >> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> >> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> >> unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
> >> director), but Disney wants to make sure they�ve at least
> >> tried the biggest names."
> >>
> >> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
> >> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
> >> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
> >> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
> >> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
> >> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
> >
> > The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> > will John Williams still be scoring them?
>
> He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
> John Williams's music.
> >>
> >> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
> >> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
> >> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
> >> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
> >> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
> >> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
> >
> > The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> > will John Williams still be scoring them?
>
> He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
> John Williams's music.
Seapig
Nov 9, 2012, 2:33:54 AM11/9/12
to
On Nov 8, 7:01 pm, BTR1701 <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article
> <db124e99-6579-4190-b00c-56dd76768...@l7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
They mentioned Luke Skywalker, and Mark Hamill.
They mentioned Han Solo, and Harrison Ford.
They mentioned Leia.
> In article
> <db124e99-6579-4190-b00c-56dd76768...@l7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
They mentioned Han Solo, and Harrison Ford.
They mentioned Leia.
AC
Nov 9, 2012, 4:45:11 AM11/9/12
to
KalElFan wrote:
> Promising news I think...
>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> Promising news I think...
>
>
> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>
>
> From the second link:
>
> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
>
> From the second link:
>
> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they’d be interested is
> unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
> director), but Disney wants to make sure they’ve at least
> tried the biggest names."
>
> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
So if its the old characters, then thats OK? Rubbish, it will be down
> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they’d be interested is
> unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
> director), but Disney wants to make sure they’ve at least
> tried the biggest names."
>
> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
tot he writing, regardless of the characters. This sounds all a bit fan
wank to me. Given that most only regard Empire as a decent film, its
clearly not a character thing.
--
AC
AC
Nov 9, 2012, 4:46:11 AM11/9/12
to
Your Name wrote:
> In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>, "KalElFan"
> <kale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Promising news I think...
>>
>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>>
>>
> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>>
>> From the second link:
>>
>> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
> In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>, "KalElFan"
> <kale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Promising news I think...
>>
>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>>
>>
> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>>
>> From the second link:
>>
>> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
>> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
>> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
>> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
>> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
>> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
>> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
>> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
>> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
>> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they’d be interested is
>> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
>> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
>> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
>> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
>> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
>> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
>> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
>> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
>> unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
>> director), but Disney wants to make sure they’ve at least
>> tried the biggest names."
>
> Oh God! NNNooo.... not that lazy, talentless, rubber-stamping idiot JJ
> Abrams. I'd rather have Elmo directing.
>
JJA is fine as long as he is not writing.
>
> Oh God! NNNooo.... not that lazy, talentless, rubber-stamping idiot JJ
> Abrams. I'd rather have Elmo directing.
>
--
AC
Raymond Daley
Nov 9, 2012, 6:45:59 AM11/9/12
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"Lewis" <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
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> In message <VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4>
> Raymond Daley <raymon...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
>
>> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Promising news I think...
>>>
>>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>>>
>>> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>>>
>
>>>
>>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>>>
>>> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>>>
>
>> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
>> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
>> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
>> Apparently he wanted to die in Jedi but someone teased him with too much
>> of
>> a deal on merchandising.
>
>> I've seen several mooted names to Direct.
>> The story itself will almost certainly be something by Timothy Zahn
>> though.
>
> Oh god, please no.
>> of
>> a deal on merchandising.
>
>> I've seen several mooted names to Direct.
>> The story itself will almost certainly be something by Timothy Zahn
>> though.
>
Why, have you read the trilogy of his that takes place after Jedi?
It's extremely well done, his new characters work well with the previous
cannon ones and they look right in the SW Universe.
Personally I think Mara Jade is fricking amazing.
Leia as "Lady Vader" (don't ask, it works!) is pretty cool too.
Even Luke eventually grows a spine.
Han is as Han was and always will be. Scruffy looking.
Raymond Daley
Nov 9, 2012, 6:48:29 AM11/9/12
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"Your Name" <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote in message
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> In article <VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4>, "Raymond Daley"
> <raymon...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
>> > Promising news I think...
>> >
>> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>> >
>> >
> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>> >
>>
>> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
>> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
>
> No he didn't this time (yet) - you misread what he reportedly said decades
> ago for Return of the Jedi. Harrison Ford has said he's open to returning,
> but is waiting to see the script and director before actually signing on.
Nope, Bleeding Cool had something in the last week or so about that comment.
> <raymon...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
>> > Promising news I think...
>> >
>> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>> >
>> >
> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>> >
>>
>> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
>> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
>
> No he didn't this time (yet) - you misread what he reportedly said decades
> ago for Return of the Jedi. Harrison Ford has said he's open to returning,
> but is waiting to see the script and director before actually signing on.
They are a pretty good source.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Nov 9, 2012, 7:18:32 AM11/9/12
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On 11/8/12 11:06 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <k7htug$dap$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 11/8/12 7:42 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>> KalElFan
>>>>
>>>> Brad Bird
>>>
>>> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>>
>> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>> Pixar does at all.
>>
>> That was one of the greatest films made in the past ten years. For any age.
>>
>>
>
> Agreed on all counts. Also, the greatest superhero film *ever* made.
Ohh, there I'm not sure, because The Avengers was damn near perfect.
> In article <k7htug$dap$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 11/8/12 7:42 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>> KalElFan
>>>>
>>>> Brad Bird
>>>
>>> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>>
>> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>> Pixar does at all.
>>
>> That was one of the greatest films made in the past ten years. For any age.
>>
>>
>
> Agreed on all counts. Also, the greatest superhero film *ever* made.
>
> Now where's the sequel, darn it!
>
EXTREMELY wary (very justifiably) of trying to do it again.
Raymond Daley
Nov 9, 2012, 7:25:03 AM11/9/12
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"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:k7isao$ukm$2...@dont-email.me...
> On 11/8/12 11:06 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <k7htug$dap$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/8/12 7:42 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>> KalElFan
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad Bird
>>>>
>>>> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>>>
>>> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>>> Pixar does at all.
>>>
>>> That was one of the greatest films made in the past ten years. For any
>>> age.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Agreed on all counts. Also, the greatest superhero film *ever* made.
>
> Ohh, there I'm not sure, because The Avengers was damn near perfect.
Which "The Avengers"?
>> In article <k7htug$dap$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/8/12 7:42 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>> KalElFan
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad Bird
>>>>
>>>> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>>>
>>> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>>> Pixar does at all.
>>>
>>> That was one of the greatest films made in the past ten years. For any
>>> age.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Agreed on all counts. Also, the greatest superhero film *ever* made.
>
> Ohh, there I'm not sure, because The Avengers was damn near perfect.
The Hollywood attempt to remake the UK TV show (FAIL)?
Or that POC that requires you to have to seen at least 5 other Marvel films
to even vaguely understand it which was provisionally called something like
"Superheroes Assemble"?
And that film? IS shit.
Action for actions sake with little to no plot isn't a movie.
Michael Stemper
Nov 9, 2012, 8:55:42 AM11/9/12
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In article <081120122012219555%in...@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> writes:
>In article <VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4>, Raymond Daley <raymon...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
[possible new _Star Wars_ movies]
>In article <VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4>, Raymond Daley <raymon...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
>> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
>> Apparently he wanted to die in Jedi but someone teased him with too much of
>> a deal on merchandising.
>>
>I think the original idea was he would be on the Millennium Falcon
>> a deal on merchandising.
>>
>during the last battle, and sacrifices the ship to blow up the Death
>Star II.
(Mild spoilers for some twentieth-century movies follow.)
I can see that Han dying that way might have worked. Kind of like the
crop duster in _Independence Day_.
However, I'd think that the ending, with Annakin's redemption and deathbed
speech would have had to have been radically different. You can't really
have two sympathetic characters dying in close order like that. Certainly
not separately, if you want the audience to be able to get the full
emotional experience.
--
Michael F. Stemper
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Economists have correctly predicted seven of the last three recessions.
Michael Stemper
Nov 9, 2012, 8:59:40 AM11/9/12
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In article <k7htug$dap$1...@dont-email.me>, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> writes:
>On 11/8/12 7:42 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>> KalElFan
>>> Brad Bird
>>
>> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>
> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>Pixar does at all.
Calling _The Incredibles_ a "kiddie flick" is evidence of not having seen
>On 11/8/12 7:42 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>> KalElFan
>>> Brad Bird
>>
>> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>
> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>Pixar does at all.
it, at least as an adult.
It's about things like mid-life crises, raising a family, being responsible
for and to others.
BTR1701
Nov 9, 2012, 10:11:13 AM11/9/12
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In article <k7j20u$m7n$2...@dont-email.me>,
mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
> In article <081120122012219555%in...@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan
> <in...@loclanet.com> writes:
> >In article <VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4>, Raymond Daley
> ><raymon...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> [possible new _Star Wars_ movies]
>
> >> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
> >> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
> >> Apparently he wanted to die in Jedi but someone teased him with too much
> >> of
> >> a deal on merchandising.
> >>
> >I think the original idea was he would be on the Millennium Falcon
> >during the last battle, and sacrifices the ship to blow up the Death
> >Star II.
>
> (Mild spoilers for some twentieth-century movies follow.)
>
> I can see that Han dying that way might have worked. Kind of like the
> crop duster in _Independence Day_.
>
> However, I'd think that the ending, with Annakin's redemption and deathbed
> speech would have had to have been radically different. You can't really
> have two sympathetic characters dying in close order like that.
Darth Vader wasn't exactly a sympathetic character.
> In article <081120122012219555%in...@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan
> <in...@loclanet.com> writes:
> >In article <VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4>, Raymond Daley
> ><raymon...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> [possible new _Star Wars_ movies]
>
> >> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
> >> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
> >> Apparently he wanted to die in Jedi but someone teased him with too much
> >> of
> >> a deal on merchandising.
> >>
> >I think the original idea was he would be on the Millennium Falcon
> >during the last battle, and sacrifices the ship to blow up the Death
> >Star II.
>
> (Mild spoilers for some twentieth-century movies follow.)
>
> I can see that Han dying that way might have worked. Kind of like the
> crop duster in _Independence Day_.
>
> However, I'd think that the ending, with Annakin's redemption and deathbed
> speech would have had to have been radically different. You can't really
> have two sympathetic characters dying in close order like that.
anim8rFSK
Nov 9, 2012, 10:23:31 AM11/9/12
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In article
<YourName-091...@203-118-187-230.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
<YourName-091...@203-118-187-230.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> In article <leqde2lk5vsj$.dmtsjjcf...@40tude.net>, Murdoc
> <murd...@tweedledum.tweedledee.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
> >
> > > In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>,
> > > "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Promising news I think...
> > >>
> > >> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-3877
> > >> 84
> > >>
> > >>
> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer
> > >> .html
> > >>
> > >> From the second link:
> > >>
> > >> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio┬ brass want to
> In article <leqde2lk5vsj$.dmtsjjcf...@40tude.net>, Murdoc
> <murd...@tweedledum.tweedledee.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
> >
> > > In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>,
> > > "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Promising news I think...
> > >>
> > >> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-3877
> > >> 84
> > >>
> > >>
> http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer
> > >> .html
> > >>
> > >> From the second link:
> > >>
> > >> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> > >> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> > >> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> > >> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> > >> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> > >> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> > >> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> > >> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> > >> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> > >> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they▃ be interested is
> > >> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> > >> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> > >> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> > >> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> > >> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> > >> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> > >> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> > >> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> > >> unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
> > >> director), but Disney wants to make sure they▔e at least
> > >> tried the biggest names."
> > >>
> > >> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
> > >> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
> > >> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
> > >> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
> > >> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
> > >> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
> > >
> > > The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> > > will John Williams still be scoring them?
> >
> > He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
> > John Williams's music.
>
> It's not really going to be "Star Wars" without the Fox fanfare at the
> start either. :-(
Oh. Damn good point.
> > >>
> > >> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
> > >> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
> > >> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
> > >> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
> > >> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
> > >> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
> > >
> > > The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> > > will John Williams still be scoring them?
> >
> > He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
> > John Williams's music.
>
> It's not really going to be "Star Wars" without the Fox fanfare at the
> start either. :-(
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 9, 2012, 10:22:22 AM11/9/12
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In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>,
middle of Episode V.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
KalElFan <kale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Promising news I think...
>
>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>
>http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>
>From the second link:
>
> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
>Promising news I think...
>
>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
>
>http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
>
>From the second link:
>
> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they’d be interested is
> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
> director), but Disney wants to make sure they’ve at least
> tried the biggest names."
>
>I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
>back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
>movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
>generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
>three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
>1-2-3 all time IMO.
>
But ... Yoda passed into the next plane of existence in the
>
>I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
>back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
>movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
>generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
>three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
>1-2-3 all time IMO.
>
middle of Episode V.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Nov 9, 2012, 10:47:01 AM11/9/12
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On 11/9/12 7:25 AM, Raymond Daley wrote:
> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:k7isao$ukm$2...@dont-email.me...
>> On 11/8/12 11:06 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>>> In article <k7htug$dap$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/8/12 7:42 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>>> KalElFan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad Bird
>>>>>
>>>>> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>>>>
>>>> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>>>> Pixar does at all.
>>>>
>>>> That was one of the greatest films made in the past ten years. For any
>>>> age.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed on all counts. Also, the greatest superhero film *ever* made.
>>
>> Ohh, there I'm not sure, because The Avengers was damn near perfect.
> Which "The Avengers"?
> The Hollywood attempt to remake the UK TV show (FAIL)?
Never saw the TV show so how that one worked I can't guess.
> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:k7isao$ukm$2...@dont-email.me...
>> On 11/8/12 11:06 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>>> In article <k7htug$dap$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/8/12 7:42 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>>> KalElFan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad Bird
>>>>>
>>>>> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>>>>
>>>> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>>>> Pixar does at all.
>>>>
>>>> That was one of the greatest films made in the past ten years. For any
>>>> age.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed on all counts. Also, the greatest superhero film *ever* made.
>>
>> Ohh, there I'm not sure, because The Avengers was damn near perfect.
> Which "The Avengers"?
> The Hollywood attempt to remake the UK TV show (FAIL)?
> Or that POC that requires you to have to seen at least 5 other Marvel films
> to even vaguely understand it which was provisionally called something like
> "Superheroes Assemble"?
seen the prior films who enjoyed The Avengers.
Note that "Avengers Assemble!" was the battlecry of The Avengers from
their very early appearances in comics.
>
> And that film? IS shit.
> Action for actions sake with little to no plot isn't a movie.
is a good description.
(B) The Avengers is not such a movie; there's quite a bit of plot and
character stuff nicely sandwiched in between the action sequences.
Yes, it DOES help to have watched the prior movies so that you
understand the characters, but that's the POINT. Marvel's trying to make
a UNIVERSE here. If you walked into Star Wars: The Return of the Jedi
without having seen the prior two movies, you'd be pretty lost too.
Wayne Throop
Nov 9, 2012, 12:13:40 PM11/9/12
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: "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com>
: Note that "Avengers Assemble!" was the battlecry of The Avengers from
: their very early appearances in comics.
Mrs. Pym, we're needed.
: Never saw the TV show so how that one worked I can't guess.
Possibly the most remarkable thing about the TV-series-related Avengers
film is how badly it sucked compared to the TV series. And... they had
Sean Connery, Uma Thurman, and Ralph Fiennes... so I have to attribute
it to the script. Or direction. Nothing so painful as to attempt witty
banter, and missing the mark.
Well. Maybe Uma didn't capture Mrs. Peel's expressions
and body language very well also.
Or so it seems to me.
"I guess we should call you "The Loser Lord"."
"I am the Phoenix King!"
"Oh, sorry, didn't mean to offend you,
Phoenix King of Getting His Butt Whupped."
"Yeah, or how about the King of the... guys who... don't win?"
"Leave the nicknames to us, honey."
--- Sokka, Fire Lord Ozai, Toph, and Suki
Jim T.
Nov 9, 2012, 12:41:15 PM11/9/12
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:00:07 -0400, Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com>
wrote:
>In article
><5235e892-940c-4500...@x21g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, Ed
Yep. The Incredibles is no more of a "kiddie flick" than Star Wars
itself. And MI:GP proves he can do live action blockbusters as well.
For me Spielberg is too mawkish, and Abrams too untalented. I think
Bird has the best combinations of abilities for the job.
wrote:
>In article
><5235e892-940c-4500...@x21g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, Ed
>Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> > KalElFan
>> >
>> > Brad Bird
>>
>> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>>
>He directed The Incredibles and the last Mission Impossible film.
>
>> > KalElFan
>> >
>> > Brad Bird
>>
>> Who? *looks him up* An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>>
Yep. The Incredibles is no more of a "kiddie flick" than Star Wars
itself. And MI:GP proves he can do live action blockbusters as well.
For me Spielberg is too mawkish, and Abrams too untalented. I think
Bird has the best combinations of abilities for the job.
Michael Stemper
Nov 9, 2012, 1:06:52 PM11/9/12
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In article <k7j8hm$fmt$1...@dont-email.me>, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> writes:
>On 11/9/12 7:25 AM, Raymond Daley wrote:
>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message news:k7isao$ukm$2...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 11/8/12 11:06 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>>>> In article <k7htug$dap$1...@dont-email.me>, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>>>>> Pixar does at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was one of the greatest films made in the past ten years. For any
>>>>> age.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed on all counts. Also, the greatest superhero film *ever* made.
>>>
>>> Ohh, there I'm not sure, because The Avengers was damn near perfect.
>> Which "The Avengers"?
>> The Hollywood attempt to remake the UK TV show (FAIL)?
>
> Never saw the TV show so how that one worked I can't guess.
I remember when it was going to be broadcast in the US the first time.
>On 11/9/12 7:25 AM, Raymond Daley wrote:
>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message news:k7isao$ukm$2...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 11/8/12 11:06 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>>>> In article <k7htug$dap$1...@dont-email.me>, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>>>>> Pixar does at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was one of the greatest films made in the past ten years. For any
>>>>> age.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed on all counts. Also, the greatest superhero film *ever* made.
>>>
>>> Ohh, there I'm not sure, because The Avengers was damn near perfect.
>> Which "The Avengers"?
>> The Hollywood attempt to remake the UK TV show (FAIL)?
>
> Never saw the TV show so how that one worked I can't guess.
I had no idea of its nature. I just started seeing promos for something
called _The Avengers_, and assumed that it was about the Marvel folks.
I was really disappointed when I found out that it was about a pair of
British spies, rather than Thor and Hulk and Iron Man and friends:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Avengers_%28TV_series%29>
My disappointment lasted about halfway through the first episode. By
that time, I had a huge crush on Diana Rigg.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
by rubbing peanut butter on his gums.
Michael Stemper
Nov 9, 2012, 1:28:58 PM11/9/12
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In article <atropos-5DFC9A...@news-europe.giganews.com>, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> writes:
>In article <k7j20u$m7n$2...@dont-email.me>, mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>> In article <081120122012219555%in...@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> writes:
>> [possible new _Star Wars_ movies]
>In article <k7j20u$m7n$2...@dont-email.me>, mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>> In article <081120122012219555%in...@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> writes:
>> [possible new _Star Wars_ movies]
>> >I think the original idea was he would be on the Millennium Falcon
>> >during the last battle, and sacrifices the ship to blow up the Death
>> >Star II.
>>
>> (Mild spoilers for some twentieth-century movies follow.)
>>
>> I can see that Han dying that way might have worked. Kind of like the
>> crop duster in _Independence Day_.
>>
>> However, I'd think that the ending, with Annakin's redemption and deathbed
>> speech would have had to have been radically different. You can't really
>> have two sympathetic characters dying in close order like that.
>
>Darth Vader wasn't exactly a sympathetic character.
I specifically used the name "Anakin" for a reason.[1] At the end of
>> >during the last battle, and sacrifices the ship to blow up the Death
>> >Star II.
>>
>> (Mild spoilers for some twentieth-century movies follow.)
>>
>> I can see that Han dying that way might have worked. Kind of like the
>> crop duster in _Independence Day_.
>>
>> However, I'd think that the ending, with Annakin's redemption and deathbed
>> speech would have had to have been radically different. You can't really
>> have two sympathetic characters dying in close order like that.
>
>Darth Vader wasn't exactly a sympathetic character.
_Return of the Jedi_, "the good man that was Anakin Skywalker" had
resurfaced and displaced Vader. He sacrificed himself to defend Luke
and kill the Emperor.
After this, his Vader mask was symbolically removed.
He had this deathbed speech with Luke:
L: I can save you, Father.
A: You already have.
Finally, his corpse was cremated with full honors, and his ghost took
its place alongside those of Obi-Wan and Yoda.
All of this might not have worked for you, but it certainly shows Lucas
was building up Anakin into a sympathetic character. Having another
character, one who we've known longer, also die at that time would have
muddled and diluted this. I think that the "Anakin redemption" material
would probably have had to be completely eliminated.
[1] Although I will admit to having mis-spelled it.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Indians scattered on dawn's highway bleeding;
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Ghosts crowd the young child's fragile eggshell mind.
Howard Brazee
Nov 9, 2012, 9:10:40 AM11/9/12
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On 9 Nov 2012 04:06:25 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
wrote:
>> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>>Pixar does at all.
>>
>> That was one of the greatest films made in the past ten years. For any age.
>>
>>
>
>Agreed on all counts. Also, the greatest superhero film *ever* made.
>
>> Calling "The Incredibles" a "kiddie flick" shows you have no idea what
>>Pixar does at all.
>>
>> That was one of the greatest films made in the past ten years. For any age.
>>
>>
>
>Agreed on all counts. Also, the greatest superhero film *ever* made.
>
>Now where's the sequel, darn it!
Part of the reason it is the greatest is because there isn't a sequel.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Invid Fan
Nov 9, 2012, 1:20:36 PM11/9/12
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In article <leqde2lk5vsj$.dmtsjjcf...@40tude.net>, Murdoc
<murd...@tweedledum.tweedledee.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
>
> > The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> > will John Williams still be scoring them?
>
> He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
> John Williams's music.
He's old, and probably doesn't want to be bothered. I'm not sure if he
<murd...@tweedledum.tweedledee.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
>
> > The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> > will John Williams still be scoring them?
>
> He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
> John Williams's music.
even did any music for the last movie, or if it was just recycled
stuff.
--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
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Raymond Daley
Nov 9, 2012, 3:02:46 PM11/9/12
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Fwiw, I'd seen all the movies with the characters in them.
And still had no clue most of the time.
Like who the fuck Samuel L. Jackson was playing. (You would need to be aware
of the cartoons or comic books really).
Or the dude with the arrows. (ditto, I assume)
Or the hot red head. (likewise ditto, I assume but hey, she was basically
eye candy.)
This is why cross-over movies really don't work very well.
Pick one character and base a movie around them.
And try not to revamp that character in the next decade.
It's a REALLY bad idea.(That one's directing at you, makers of recent
Spiderman reboot. You utter CUNTS!)
And still had no clue most of the time.
Like who the fuck Samuel L. Jackson was playing. (You would need to be aware
of the cartoons or comic books really).
Or the dude with the arrows. (ditto, I assume)
Or the hot red head. (likewise ditto, I assume but hey, she was basically
eye candy.)
This is why cross-over movies really don't work very well.
Pick one character and base a movie around them.
And try not to revamp that character in the next decade.
It's a REALLY bad idea.(That one's directing at you, makers of recent
Spiderman reboot. You utter CUNTS!)
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 3:25:24 PM11/9/12
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In article <Eh4ns.230578$YJ1....@fx09.am4>, AC <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> Your Name wrote:
> > In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>, "KalElFan"
> > <kale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Promising news I think...
> >>
> >> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >>
> >>
> >
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
> >>
> >> From the second link:
> >>
> >> "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio’s brass want to
> Your Name wrote:
> > In article <ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net>, "KalElFan"
> > <kale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Promising news I think...
> >>
> >> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >>
> >>
> >
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
> >>
> >> From the second link:
> >>
> >> bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> >> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> >> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> >> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> >> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> >> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> >> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> >> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> >> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> >> Kennedy), and J.J. Abrams. Whether they’d be interested is
> >> Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> >> Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> >> though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> >> Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> >> was open to the idea of returning. We're told that Arndt's
> >> 40-something page treatment will soon be crossing the
> >> desks of top directors, including Brad Bird, Steven Spielberg
> >> (the former producing partner of Lucasfilm co-chair Kathleen
> >> unknown (Star Wars is a lot of baggage for an established
> >> director), but Disney wants to make sure they’ve at least
> >> tried the biggest names."
> >
> > Oh God! NNNooo.... not that lazy, talentless, rubber-stamping idiot JJ
> > Abrams. I'd rather have Elmo directing.
> >
>
> JJA is fine as long as he is not writing.
Then he'd be "fine" all the time because he actually does nothing at all.
> >
> > Oh God! NNNooo.... not that lazy, talentless, rubber-stamping idiot JJ
> > Abrams. I'd rather have Elmo directing.
> >
>
> JJA is fine as long as he is not writing.
He simply rubber-stamps his current Hollyweird fad name onto other
people's work and ideas.
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 3:27:44 PM11/9/12
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In article <l66ns.229495$yH4.1...@fx03.am4>, "Raymond Daley"
days of the Origial Trilogy when Harrison Ford wanted Han Solo killed off
during "The Empire Strikes Back" (which is why they froze him, in case
they couldn't get Ford back again for the third movie).
<raymon...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Your Name" <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote in message
> news:YourName-091...@203-118-187-230.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz...
> > In article <VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4>, "Raymond Daley"
> > <raymon...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
> >> > Promising news I think...
> >> >
> >> >
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >> >
> >> >
> >
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
> >> >
> >>
> >> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
> >> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
> >
> > No he didn't this time (yet) - you misread what he reportedly said decades
> > ago for Return of the Jedi. Harrison Ford has said he's open to returning,
> > but is waiting to see the script and director before actually signing on.
>
> Nope, Bleeding Cool had something in the last week or so about that comment.
> They are a pretty good source.
Nope. The comment comes from the exclusive EW report, and it's from the
> "Your Name" <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote in message
> news:YourName-091...@203-118-187-230.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz...
> > In article <VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4>, "Raymond Daley"
> > <raymon...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ag2pa0...@mid.individual.net...
> >> > Promising news I think...
> >> >
> >> >
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-387784
> >> >
> >> >
> >
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-its-writer.html
> >> >
> >>
> >> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were onboard.
> >> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
> >
> > No he didn't this time (yet) - you misread what he reportedly said decades
> > ago for Return of the Jedi. Harrison Ford has said he's open to returning,
> > but is waiting to see the script and director before actually signing on.
>
> Nope, Bleeding Cool had something in the last week or so about that comment.
> They are a pretty good source.
days of the Origial Trilogy when Harrison Ford wanted Han Solo killed off
during "The Empire Strikes Back" (which is why they froze him, in case
they couldn't get Ford back again for the third movie).
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 3:32:13 PM11/9/12
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In article <anim8rfsk-F938A...@news.easynews.com>, anim8rFSK
The Disney "twinkle" really isn't going to cut it as an introduction. :-(
Even worse if they use the theme tune:
"When you wish upon a star ...
It is a time of great upheaval. Battles rage across the galaxy ..."
I don't think so. :-(
Even worse if they use the theme tune:
"When you wish upon a star ...
It is a time of great upheaval. Battles rage across the galaxy ..."
I don't think so. :-(
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 3:38:20 PM11/9/12
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In article <MD881...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Yoda died in Episode VI - after Luke rescued Han, he went back to Dagobah
which is when Yoda died.
But dying isn't the end of the characters - the Jedi can become Force
ghosts. Ben Kenobi died in Episode IV, but that didn't stop him returning
in Episode V and VI. Yoda also returned later in Episode VI. :-)
Even other characters don't just die. In the Expanded Universe material,
the Emperor returns as a clone, Darth Maul returns as a Cyborg
which is when Yoda died.
But dying isn't the end of the characters - the Jedi can become Force
ghosts. Ben Kenobi died in Episode IV, but that didn't stop him returning
in Episode V and VI. Yoda also returned later in Episode VI. :-)
Even other characters don't just die. In the Expanded Universe material,
the Emperor returns as a clone, Darth Maul returns as a Cyborg
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 3:38:24 PM11/9/12
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Ed Stasiak
Nov 9, 2012, 4:09:23 PM11/9/12
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> Invid Fan
> > Ed Stasiak
Just because the movie is watchable by adults, doesn't
change the fact that it's still an animated kiddie flick like
all his other work.
> and the last Mission Impossible film.
And it's his only live action movie.
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>
> He directed The Incredibles
> > An animator who has only done Pixar kiddie flicks?
>
Just because the movie is watchable by adults, doesn't
change the fact that it's still an animated kiddie flick like
all his other work.
> and the last Mission Impossible film.
Murdoc
Nov 9, 2012, 4:42:18 PM11/9/12
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:20:36 -0400, Invid Fan wrote:
> In article <leqde2lk5vsj$.dmtsjjcf...@40tude.net>, Murdoc
> <murd...@tweedledum.tweedledee.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
>>
>
>>> The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
>>> will John Williams still be scoring them?
>>
>> He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
>> John Williams's music.
>
> He's old, and probably doesn't want to be bothered. I'm not sure if he
> even did any music for the last movie, or if it was just recycled
> stuff.
You're kidding, right? The battle music at the start, the climactic
> In article <leqde2lk5vsj$.dmtsjjcf...@40tude.net>, Murdoc
> <murd...@tweedledum.tweedledee.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
>>
>
>>> The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
>>> will John Williams still be scoring them?
>>
>> He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
>> John Williams's music.
>
> He's old, and probably doesn't want to be bothered. I'm not sure if he
> even did any music for the last movie, or if it was just recycled
> stuff.
lightsaber battle music "Battle of the Heroes", the moody Padme's
Ruminations and disturbing Anakin's Dark Deeds ... all original for Ep III,
and that list isn't exhaustive.
KalElFan
Nov 9, 2012, 5:29:37 PM11/9/12
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"Michael OConnor" wrote in message
news:4c5200ea-f5cc-4780...@q16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> [KalElFan wrote]:
> the Jedi.
Well, the ending of 6 has the iconic afterlife shot(s) with Obi-
Wan, Anakin and Yoda. But I'm against ghost Yoda. I want
Yoda. There are all kinds of ways that can be done in fantasy.
Emergency Yoda Backup, or Perfect Clone Yoda with restored
Original Yoda memories, or Twin Yoda with the Original Yoda
memory and skills added, or Son of Yoda (still pretty old!) with
Original Yoda memory and skills added, or Resurrected Real
Yoda.
My favorite is Third Trilogy Work Permit Resurrected Real Yoda,
e.g. in this scene which I hereby grant all rights to Disney or its
writers, for the the good and valuable consideration that it
be used or adapted should they choose to do so.
EXT. EWOK JUNGLE (OR WHEREVER! :-))
Yoda appears.
LEIA
Yoda? You're dead! We saw you in the Other Plane of Existence.
YODA
Not over yet is my work here. Threw me out they did!
LUKE
But you've been dead for thirty-seven years!
YODA
Not so long does it seem. Only minutes. But very long
for you two I see. Another thirty-seven years on you, hmm?
Not counting the Summers are we?
:-) (But no joke, that'd work perfectly in getting Yoda back)
> I would also think they could also bring back Ewan McGregor
> for a cameo as the ghost Obi Wan.
I think they should probably stay away from Eps 1 to 3, and focus
only on the completely unknown, blank slate future 35+ years after
episode 6, but with the key familiar characters. Darth Vader is
the only one they can't really use, except in flashback perhaps
and as backstory. Perhaps the seeds of the third trilogy were
planted back in episodes 4 to 6 someplace, for example.
> I'm guessing a plotpoint will be that Vader will have fathered
> another child after he went into the suit and that son or daughter
> will be the arch nemesis.
Whatever they come up with, in terms of the New Threat in the
third trilogy, will hopefully be good. Something like that could
work, but the broader story should probably be bigger than that.
It was never about Vader alone, or even the Emperor alone, or
the Jedi or Sith. It was about all those now-iconic characters and
others like Yoda, C-3PO, R2-D2, Chewbacca, the Ewoks and so on,
and a Good vs. Evil story, and the actors, the music, the effects
and I've probably missed some things.
That 20th opening theme as was mentioned would also be nice
after the new Disney opening perhaps. Put up a "Thanks to 20th
Century Fox" insert at the bottom over the musical flourish. But
I'm not sure Disney would go for that. 20th ought to be amenable
to it, it's a nice nod to the earlier trilogy that this is a sequel of.
> ... we will probably see some Ewok or Jar Jar type characters
> that they can use to sell merchandise to small children.
I never cared that much for Jar Jar but I didn't hate him like some.
The Ewoks I liked but I wouldn't want them to dominate the film.
The Big Three human characters are Luke, Leia and Solo, and I'd
argue the Big 7 are those plus Yoda, C-3PO, R2-D2, and Darth
Vader. Darth Vader they could bring back in flashback, but Yoda
they should just bring back over from the Other Place IMO, for
this third trilogy. No salary, but he'll generate at least 8 maybe
9 figures alone, all by his little Jedi critter self. :-)
news:4c5200ea-f5cc-4780...@q16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> [KalElFan wrote]:
>
>> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
>> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
>> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
>> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
>> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
>> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
>
> It would have to be the ghost Yoda, as Yoda died in Return of
>> I think setting the new trilogy 35+ years or so later, and bringing
>> back the Big Three as older versions of themselves for all three
>> movies, would be perfect. Of course there'd be a whole new
>> generation of characters as well and younger stars, but those
>> three plus R2-D2, C-3PO and Yoda will make the entire trilogy
>> 1-2-3 all time IMO.
>
> the Jedi.
Well, the ending of 6 has the iconic afterlife shot(s) with Obi-
Wan, Anakin and Yoda. But I'm against ghost Yoda. I want
Yoda. There are all kinds of ways that can be done in fantasy.
Emergency Yoda Backup, or Perfect Clone Yoda with restored
Original Yoda memories, or Twin Yoda with the Original Yoda
memory and skills added, or Son of Yoda (still pretty old!) with
Original Yoda memory and skills added, or Resurrected Real
Yoda.
My favorite is Third Trilogy Work Permit Resurrected Real Yoda,
e.g. in this scene which I hereby grant all rights to Disney or its
writers, for the the good and valuable consideration that it
be used or adapted should they choose to do so.
EXT. EWOK JUNGLE (OR WHEREVER! :-))
Yoda appears.
LEIA
Yoda? You're dead! We saw you in the Other Plane of Existence.
YODA
Not over yet is my work here. Threw me out they did!
LUKE
But you've been dead for thirty-seven years!
YODA
Not so long does it seem. Only minutes. But very long
for you two I see. Another thirty-seven years on you, hmm?
Not counting the Summers are we?
:-) (But no joke, that'd work perfectly in getting Yoda back)
> I would also think they could also bring back Ewan McGregor
> for a cameo as the ghost Obi Wan.
I think they should probably stay away from Eps 1 to 3, and focus
only on the completely unknown, blank slate future 35+ years after
episode 6, but with the key familiar characters. Darth Vader is
the only one they can't really use, except in flashback perhaps
and as backstory. Perhaps the seeds of the third trilogy were
planted back in episodes 4 to 6 someplace, for example.
> I'm guessing a plotpoint will be that Vader will have fathered
> another child after he went into the suit and that son or daughter
> will be the arch nemesis.
Whatever they come up with, in terms of the New Threat in the
third trilogy, will hopefully be good. Something like that could
work, but the broader story should probably be bigger than that.
It was never about Vader alone, or even the Emperor alone, or
the Jedi or Sith. It was about all those now-iconic characters and
others like Yoda, C-3PO, R2-D2, Chewbacca, the Ewoks and so on,
and a Good vs. Evil story, and the actors, the music, the effects
and I've probably missed some things.
That 20th opening theme as was mentioned would also be nice
after the new Disney opening perhaps. Put up a "Thanks to 20th
Century Fox" insert at the bottom over the musical flourish. But
I'm not sure Disney would go for that. 20th ought to be amenable
to it, it's a nice nod to the earlier trilogy that this is a sequel of.
> ... we will probably see some Ewok or Jar Jar type characters
> that they can use to sell merchandise to small children.
I never cared that much for Jar Jar but I didn't hate him like some.
The Ewoks I liked but I wouldn't want them to dominate the film.
The Big Three human characters are Luke, Leia and Solo, and I'd
argue the Big 7 are those plus Yoda, C-3PO, R2-D2, and Darth
Vader. Darth Vader they could bring back in flashback, but Yoda
they should just bring back over from the Other Place IMO, for
this third trilogy. No salary, but he'll generate at least 8 maybe
9 figures alone, all by his little Jedi critter self. :-)
Remysun
Nov 9, 2012, 5:31:34 PM11/9/12
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On Nov 9, 12:41 pm, Jim T. <x...@y.z> wrote:
> Yep. The Incredibles is no more of a "kiddie flick" than Star Wars
> itself. And MI:GP proves he can do live action blockbusters as well.
>
> For me Spielberg is too mawkish, and Abrams too untalented. I think
> Bird has the best combinations of abilities for the job.
I've met Brad Bird. No arrogance and he knows his stuff.
> Yep. The Incredibles is no more of a "kiddie flick" than Star Wars
> itself. And MI:GP proves he can do live action blockbusters as well.
>
> For me Spielberg is too mawkish, and Abrams too untalented. I think
> Bird has the best combinations of abilities for the job.
KalElFan
Nov 9, 2012, 5:32:44 PM11/9/12
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"BTR1701" wrote in message
news:atropos-435D2F...@news-europe.giganews.com...
> In article <ag332p...@mid.individual.net>,
> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Raymond Daley" wrote in message news:VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4...
>> notwithstanding. :-)
>
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Wouldn't it be closer to:
"AwWWWRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH!"
Or something like that?
news:atropos-435D2F...@news-europe.giganews.com...
> In article <ag332p...@mid.individual.net>,
> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Raymond Daley" wrote in message news:VtXms.332046$Rc7....@fx04.am4...
>>
>>> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were
>>> onboard.
>>
>> Good.
>>> Lucas spoke to Mark & Carrie before the Disney deal. Both were
>>> onboard.
>>
>>
>>> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
>>
>> That would suck, Chewbacca's agonizing roar in the death scene
>>> Harrison said he'll come back only if they kill him off.
>>
>> notwithstanding. :-)
>
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Wouldn't it be closer to:
"AwWWWRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH!"
Or something like that?
KalElFan
Nov 9, 2012, 5:37:18 PM11/9/12
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"BTR1701" wrote in message
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> ... who wants to see Carrie Fisher as Leia again? She's more
> suited to play Jabba these days...
YODA
Too much cruelty, too little respect there is on this
Usenet. Not so great do I look either, after hundreds
more years than Queen Leia! Have not you heard
of Nutrisystem? Jenny Craig? Weight Watchers? A
sponsor deal might it mean for me, and a gold mine
for this actor called Fisher.
news:atropos-72F3E7...@news-europe.giganews.com...
> ... who wants to see Carrie Fisher as Leia again? She's more
> suited to play Jabba these days...
YODA
Too much cruelty, too little respect there is on this
Usenet. Not so great do I look either, after hundreds
more years than Queen Leia! Have not you heard
of Nutrisystem? Jenny Craig? Weight Watchers? A
sponsor deal might it mean for me, and a gold mine
for this actor called Fisher.
KalElFan
Nov 9, 2012, 5:40:33 PM11/9/12
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On r.a.m.c-f, "Inkan1969" wrote in message
news:b5449cde-650f-4abc...@googlegroups.com...
> Didn't they kill off Chewy in some novel?
Don't know, but I don't think Disney should be in any way
dissuaded from treating the third trilogy as a complete
fresh start from the end of Episode 6, 35+ years later.
Any other novels, treatments, etc., are not canon.
news:b5449cde-650f-4abc...@googlegroups.com...
> Didn't they kill off Chewy in some novel?
Don't know, but I don't think Disney should be in any way
dissuaded from treating the third trilogy as a complete
fresh start from the end of Episode 6, 35+ years later.
Any other novels, treatments, etc., are not canon.
KalElFan
Nov 9, 2012, 5:40:16 PM11/9/12
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On r.a.m.c-f, "SueB1863" wrote in message
news:2ddf3aa6-30b3-49d8...@googlegroups.com...
> I think Spielberg's too much of a Serious Director now for Star
> Wars. He does stuff like War Horse and Lincoln now, not crowd-
> pleasing blockbusters.
He directed the last Indiana Jones in 2008 and may be doing the
next one. After Lincoln, he has Robopocalypse. So he doesn't
always limit himself to Oscar bait. He'll do good popcorn movies
and sometimes they get nominations.
> ... By 1983 Ford was so far beyond Star Wars it wasn't funny
> but he had no choice about doing the ]3rd ROTJ] movie. I'm
> sure if Lucas was in any way connected to the new films you
> wouldn't find Ford within a thousand miles of them...
I'm not up on the gossip stuff like that. But in any case it's
Disney now, and given Spielberg has worked with Ford on the
Indiana Jones movies that may be another reason to hope
Spielberg will do this Episode 7. Ford will probably be more
expensive than Fisher and Hamill, because he's had such a
big movie career with Blade Runner, the Indiana Jones movies
and other moderate-size hits like Air Force One.
news:2ddf3aa6-30b3-49d8...@googlegroups.com...
> I think Spielberg's too much of a Serious Director now for Star
> Wars. He does stuff like War Horse and Lincoln now, not crowd-
> pleasing blockbusters.
He directed the last Indiana Jones in 2008 and may be doing the
next one. After Lincoln, he has Robopocalypse. So he doesn't
always limit himself to Oscar bait. He'll do good popcorn movies
and sometimes they get nominations.
> ... By 1983 Ford was so far beyond Star Wars it wasn't funny
> but he had no choice about doing the ]3rd ROTJ] movie. I'm
> sure if Lucas was in any way connected to the new films you
> wouldn't find Ford within a thousand miles of them...
I'm not up on the gossip stuff like that. But in any case it's
Disney now, and given Spielberg has worked with Ford on the
Indiana Jones movies that may be another reason to hope
Spielberg will do this Episode 7. Ford will probably be more
expensive than Fisher and Hamill, because he's had such a
big movie career with Blade Runner, the Indiana Jones movies
and other moderate-size hits like Air Force One.
KalElFan
Nov 9, 2012, 5:42:12 PM11/9/12
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"AC" wrote in message news:Jg4ns.230577$YJ1.1...@fx09.am4...
> So if it's the old characters, then thats OK? ...
There'll be new characters and a new trilogy set 35 or more
years after Return of the Jedi. But I think the presence of the
iconic characters from the original trilogy is key.
> So if it's the old characters, then thats OK? ...
There'll be new characters and a new trilogy set 35 or more
years after Return of the Jedi. But I think the presence of the
iconic characters from the original trilogy is key.
KalElFan
Nov 9, 2012, 5:49:40 PM11/9/12
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"Raymond Daley" wrote in message news:%36ns.224690$Wc4....@fx10.am4...
[re some follow-up story by Timothy Zahn]
> ... Leia as "Lady Vader" (don't ask, it works!) is pretty cool too...
I'm not familiar with it and they shouldn't be bound by it at
all IMO, but this "Leia is Lady Vader" one struck me as dubious
and a reason to not go near it.
[re some follow-up story by Timothy Zahn]
> ... Leia as "Lady Vader" (don't ask, it works!) is pretty cool too...
I'm not familiar with it and they shouldn't be bound by it at
all IMO, but this "Leia is Lady Vader" one struck me as dubious
and a reason to not go near it.
KalElFan
Nov 9, 2012, 5:57:29 PM11/9/12
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"Dorothy J Heydt" wrote in message news:MD881...@kithrup.com...
> But ... Yoda passed into the next plane of existence in the
> middle of Episode V.
My recollection was it happened in VI, but in any case yes I
remember the iconic afterlife ending with Yoda, Anakin, and
Obi-Wan ghost-like. I think they should bring back Yoda in
some way and I addressed that in the other post with an
example as well.
Disney needs to not worry about naysayers and go, as much
as possible, with the obvious things people want to see. If
they did a trilogy with no Luke, Leia, Han, Yoda, C-3PO, and
R2-D2, Disney has to worry they'd be throwing away a couple
of billion in revenue. A lot of people would wait for it to hit
not just DVD but the movie channels.
Their perfect window is to do it now, while Ford, Fisher
and Hamill can still do all three.
Yoda is a decision they might be cowed on by a few
noisy whiners screaming "How dare you not keep Yoda
dead!" But last we saw, he wasn't dead. He was alive
and well in the afterlife or other realm or other plane of
existence as you call it. I say there are ways to travel
back, or get sent back for a specific purpose that just
happens to have synergy with the third trilogy. :-)
At the end of 9, if Ford really insists, they could plop
Solo back in the other realm there, along with "Dead"
Again Yoda, both wavin' at us like they were just a few
feet and a lot closer than 35 years away.
> But ... Yoda passed into the next plane of existence in the
> middle of Episode V.
remember the iconic afterlife ending with Yoda, Anakin, and
Obi-Wan ghost-like. I think they should bring back Yoda in
some way and I addressed that in the other post with an
example as well.
Disney needs to not worry about naysayers and go, as much
as possible, with the obvious things people want to see. If
they did a trilogy with no Luke, Leia, Han, Yoda, C-3PO, and
R2-D2, Disney has to worry they'd be throwing away a couple
of billion in revenue. A lot of people would wait for it to hit
not just DVD but the movie channels.
Their perfect window is to do it now, while Ford, Fisher
and Hamill can still do all three.
Yoda is a decision they might be cowed on by a few
noisy whiners screaming "How dare you not keep Yoda
dead!" But last we saw, he wasn't dead. He was alive
and well in the afterlife or other realm or other plane of
existence as you call it. I say there are ways to travel
back, or get sent back for a specific purpose that just
happens to have synergy with the third trilogy. :-)
At the end of 9, if Ford really insists, they could plop
Solo back in the other realm there, along with "Dead"
Again Yoda, both wavin' at us like they were just a few
feet and a lot closer than 35 years away.
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 6:07:52 PM11/9/12
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In article
<e04c14e2-fb74-4b7b...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
Remysun <remys...@yahoo.com> wrote:
But does he actually know "Star Wars"?
The last thing that is needed is what has messed up too many other
franchises - some over-egoed new idiot who thinks they know better what
"Star Wars" is than the person who actually created it. :-(
<e04c14e2-fb74-4b7b...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
Remysun <remys...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The last thing that is needed is what has messed up too many other
franchises - some over-egoed new idiot who thinks they know better what
"Star Wars" is than the person who actually created it. :-(
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 6:07:56 PM11/9/12
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Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 6:11:53 PM11/9/12
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On r.a.m.c-f, "Inkan1969" wrote in message
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>
> Didn't they kill off Chewy in some novel?
Yes, they did, but George Lucas (who has apparently already written the
news:b5449cde-650f-4abc...@googlegroups.com...
>
> Didn't they kill off Chewy in some novel?
basic storyline) has no need to stick to what has happened in the Expanded
Univserse material. In fact, he is quoted as saying some of the stuff in
the novels and comic books is not what he would have done ... which begs
the question of why he (and his underlings) approved it in the first
place. :-\
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 6:11:56 PM11/9/12
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On r.a.m.c-f, "Inkan1969" wrote in message
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>
> Didn't they kill off Chewy in some novel?
news:b5449cde-650f-4abc...@googlegroups.com...
>
> Didn't they kill off Chewy in some novel?
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 6:14:34 PM11/9/12
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In article <ag5f5e...@mid.individual.net>, "KalElFan"
The "original" idea (i.e. about the 50th revision which George Lucas came
up with after Episode VI) was apparently to have each of the three
trilogies focusing on a different generation of the Skywalker family -
Anakin in the Prequel Trilogy, Luke in the Original Trilogy, and Luke's
son / children in the new trilogy.
up with after Episode VI) was apparently to have each of the three
trilogies focusing on a different generation of the Skywalker family -
Anakin in the Prequel Trilogy, Luke in the Original Trilogy, and Luke's
son / children in the new trilogy.
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 6:14:37 PM11/9/12
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Brian M. Scott
Nov 9, 2012, 6:25:51 PM11/9/12
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 18:06:52 +0000 (UTC), Michael Stemper
<mste...@walkabout.empros.com> wrote in
<news:k7jgns$4kg$1...@dont-email.me> in
rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.tv:
[...]
> I remember when it was going to be broadcast in the US the
> first time. I had no idea of its nature. I just started
> seeing promos for something called _The Avengers_, and
> assumed that it was about the Marvel folks.
> I was really disappointed when I found out that it was
> about a pair of British spies, rather than Thor and Hulk
> and Iron Man and friends: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Avengers_%28TV_series%29>
> My disappointment lasted about halfway through the first
> episode. By that time, I had a huge crush on Diana Rigg.
Understandable. Not having had a TV, I didn't see the TV
program, but I was much taken with Diana Rigg when I saw her
in the 1968 BBC production of 'A Midsummer Night's Dream'
while babysitting for a woman who worked in the computer
centre when I was an undergraduate.
Brian
<mste...@walkabout.empros.com> wrote in
<news:k7jgns$4kg$1...@dont-email.me> in
rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.tv:
[...]
> I remember when it was going to be broadcast in the US the
> first time. I had no idea of its nature. I just started
> seeing promos for something called _The Avengers_, and
> assumed that it was about the Marvel folks.
> I was really disappointed when I found out that it was
> about a pair of British spies, rather than Thor and Hulk
> and Iron Man and friends: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Avengers_%28TV_series%29>
> My disappointment lasted about halfway through the first
> episode. By that time, I had a huge crush on Diana Rigg.
Understandable. Not having had a TV, I didn't see the TV
program, but I was much taken with Diana Rigg when I saw her
in the 1968 BBC production of 'A Midsummer Night's Dream'
while babysitting for a woman who worked in the computer
centre when I was an undergraduate.
Brian
Wayne Throop
Nov 9, 2012, 6:46:42 PM11/9/12
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:: He directed The Incredibles
: Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net>
: Just because the movie is watchable by adults, doesn't change the fact
: Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net>
: Just because the movie is watchable by adults, doesn't change the fact
: that it's still an animated kiddie flick like all his other work.
Ah. Then I take it you haven't watched the movie.
Michael Black
Nov 9, 2012, 7:22:38 PM11/9/12
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if I remember properly. And soon after, Alan Dean Foster had a "Star
Wars" book out that wasn't a novelization of whatever was already out
there at the time.
I've never read any but those two, so I sure wouldn't count any of the
novelizations (which seem too many to count at this point) as being
pertinent to the movie series. They exist for people who think "science
fiction" is movie SF, and who want to see their favorite movie characters
in more adventures, rather than read real science fiction.
Michael
Michael Black
Nov 9, 2012, 7:24:38 PM11/9/12
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, KalElFan wrote:
Michael
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 7:58:43 PM11/9/12
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In article <alpine.LNX.2.02....@darkstar.example.org>,
Foster and published under George Lucas' name. Like all movie
novelisations (which are usually written and published alongside the
movie, if not before as in this case), it doesn't fully match the final
movie - with last minute changes made to the script and during editing,
it's not possible for a paper-based product to by 100% the same. With the
growth of the digital books / ebooks, it will be possible for books to
alos be edited at the last minute.
Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
the story and was potentially going to be filmed as the sequle movie ...
but George Lucas later changed the storyline when actually writing his
second movie. From memory (since it's been a long time since I read it),
even though there are a few minor discrepancies, there's nothing hugely
out of line with what followed later.
There were other officiialy licensed Expanded Universe novels and comic
books that were basically "dropped in the poo" by the later movies
though. :-)
> I've never read any but those two, so I sure wouldn't count any of the
> novelizations (which seem too many to count at this point) as being
> pertinent to the movie series. They exist for people who think "science
> fiction" is movie SF, and who want to see their favorite movie characters
> in more adventures, rather than read real science fiction.
There's about 150 novels in the Star Wars line now, and with Disney
planning a big push with new movies and TV shows that list will only grow.
They're for fans of the franchise, but like the novels in other frnachises
(Star Trek being the other most obvious) which are writen by various
authors, some are good and some are utter rubbish. :-)
Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, KalElFan wrote:
>
> > On r.a.m.c-f, "Inkan1969" wrote in message
> > news:b5449cde-650f-4abc...@googlegroups.com...
> >
> >> Didn't they kill off Chewy in some novel?
> >
> > Don't know, but I don't think Disney should be in any way
> > dissuaded from treating the third trilogy as a complete
> > fresh start from the end of Episode 6, 35+ years later.
> > Any other novels, treatments, etc., are not canon.
> >
> Even the novelization of the first Star Wars film wasn't an exact match,
> if I remember properly. And soon after, Alan Dean Foster had a "Star
> Wars" book out that wasn't a novelization of whatever was already out
> there at the time.
The original "Star Wars" novelisation was ghosted-written by Alan Dean
> On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, KalElFan wrote:
>
> > On r.a.m.c-f, "Inkan1969" wrote in message
> > news:b5449cde-650f-4abc...@googlegroups.com...
> >
> >> Didn't they kill off Chewy in some novel?
> >
> > Don't know, but I don't think Disney should be in any way
> > dissuaded from treating the third trilogy as a complete
> > fresh start from the end of Episode 6, 35+ years later.
> > Any other novels, treatments, etc., are not canon.
> >
> Even the novelization of the first Star Wars film wasn't an exact match,
> if I remember properly. And soon after, Alan Dean Foster had a "Star
> Wars" book out that wasn't a novelization of whatever was already out
> there at the time.
Foster and published under George Lucas' name. Like all movie
novelisations (which are usually written and published alongside the
movie, if not before as in this case), it doesn't fully match the final
movie - with last minute changes made to the script and during editing,
it's not possible for a paper-based product to by 100% the same. With the
growth of the digital books / ebooks, it will be possible for books to
alos be edited at the last minute.
Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
the story and was potentially going to be filmed as the sequle movie ...
but George Lucas later changed the storyline when actually writing his
second movie. From memory (since it's been a long time since I read it),
even though there are a few minor discrepancies, there's nothing hugely
out of line with what followed later.
There were other officiialy licensed Expanded Universe novels and comic
books that were basically "dropped in the poo" by the later movies
though. :-)
> I've never read any but those two, so I sure wouldn't count any of the
> novelizations (which seem too many to count at this point) as being
> pertinent to the movie series. They exist for people who think "science
> fiction" is movie SF, and who want to see their favorite movie characters
> in more adventures, rather than read real science fiction.
planning a big push with new movies and TV shows that list will only grow.
They're for fans of the franchise, but like the novels in other frnachises
(Star Trek being the other most obvious) which are writen by various
authors, some are good and some are utter rubbish. :-)
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 7:58:56 PM11/9/12
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> On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, KalElFan wrote:
>
> > On r.a.m.c-f, "Inkan1969" wrote in message
> > news:b5449cde-650f-4abc...@googlegroups.com...
> >
> >> Didn't they kill off Chewy in some novel?
> >
> > Don't know, but I don't think Disney should be in any way
> > dissuaded from treating the third trilogy as a complete
> > fresh start from the end of Episode 6, 35+ years later.
> > Any other novels, treatments, etc., are not canon.
> >
> Even the novelization of the first Star Wars film wasn't an exact match,
> if I remember properly. And soon after, Alan Dean Foster had a "Star
> Wars" book out that wasn't a novelization of whatever was already out
> there at the time.
>
> > On r.a.m.c-f, "Inkan1969" wrote in message
> > news:b5449cde-650f-4abc...@googlegroups.com...
> >
> >> Didn't they kill off Chewy in some novel?
> >
> > Don't know, but I don't think Disney should be in any way
> > dissuaded from treating the third trilogy as a complete
> > fresh start from the end of Episode 6, 35+ years later.
> > Any other novels, treatments, etc., are not canon.
> >
> Even the novelization of the first Star Wars film wasn't an exact match,
> if I remember properly. And soon after, Alan Dean Foster had a "Star
> Wars" book out that wasn't a novelization of whatever was already out
> there at the time.
The original "Star Wars" novelisation was ghosted-written by Alan Dean
Foster and published under George Lucas' name. Like all movie
novelisations (which are usually written and published alongside the
movie, if not before as in this case), it doesn't fully match the final
movie - with last minute changes made to the script and during editing,
it's not possible for a paper-based product to by 100% the same. With the
growth of the digital books / ebooks, it will be possible for books to
alos be edited at the last minute.
Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
the story and was potentially going to be filmed as the sequle movie ...
but George Lucas later changed the storyline when actually writing his
second movie. From memory (since it's been a long time since I read it),
even though there are a few minor discrepancies, there's nothing hugely
out of line with what followed later.
There were other officiialy licensed Expanded Universe novels and comic
books that were basically "dropped in the poo" by the later movies
though. :-)
Foster and published under George Lucas' name. Like all movie
novelisations (which are usually written and published alongside the
movie, if not before as in this case), it doesn't fully match the final
movie - with last minute changes made to the script and during editing,
it's not possible for a paper-based product to by 100% the same. With the
growth of the digital books / ebooks, it will be possible for books to
alos be edited at the last minute.
Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
the story and was potentially going to be filmed as the sequle movie ...
but George Lucas later changed the storyline when actually writing his
second movie. From memory (since it's been a long time since I read it),
even though there are a few minor discrepancies, there's nothing hugely
out of line with what followed later.
There were other officiialy licensed Expanded Universe novels and comic
books that were basically "dropped in the poo" by the later movies
though. :-)
> I've never read any but those two, so I sure wouldn't count any of the
> novelizations (which seem too many to count at this point) as being
> pertinent to the movie series. They exist for people who think "science
> fiction" is movie SF, and who want to see their favorite movie characters
> in more adventures, rather than read real science fiction.
> novelizations (which seem too many to count at this point) as being
> pertinent to the movie series. They exist for people who think "science
> fiction" is movie SF, and who want to see their favorite movie characters
> in more adventures, rather than read real science fiction.
Howard Brazee
Nov 9, 2012, 8:46:21 PM11/9/12
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:07:56 +1300, Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name)
wrote:
>> > For me Spielberg is too mawkish, and Abrams too untalented. I think
>> > Bird has the best combinations of abilities for the job.
>>
>> I've met Brad Bird. No arrogance and he knows his stuff.
>
>But does he actually know "Star Wars"?
>
>The last thing that is needed is what has messed up too many other
>franchises - some over-egoed new idiot who thinks they know better what
>"Star Wars" is than the person who actually created it. :-(
That reminds me of a story. George Lucas interviewed Leigh Brackett
to write the script for "The Empire Strikes Back", on the strength of
her other screen writing, and asked her if she knew anything about
science fiction...
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
wrote:
>> > For me Spielberg is too mawkish, and Abrams too untalented. I think
>> > Bird has the best combinations of abilities for the job.
>>
>> I've met Brad Bird. No arrogance and he knows his stuff.
>
>But does he actually know "Star Wars"?
>
>The last thing that is needed is what has messed up too many other
>franchises - some over-egoed new idiot who thinks they know better what
>"Star Wars" is than the person who actually created it. :-(
to write the script for "The Empire Strikes Back", on the strength of
her other screen writing, and asked her if she knew anything about
science fiction...
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
David Johnston
Nov 9, 2012, 9:00:10 PM11/9/12
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Invid Fan
Nov 9, 2012, 8:19:37 PM11/9/12
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In article
<YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
small cast, one planet, etc.
> but George Lucas later changed the storyline when actually writing his
> second movie. From memory (since it's been a long time since I read it),
> even though there are a few minor discrepancies, there's nothing hugely
> out of line with what followed later.
>
The biggest is Luke fights Vader, and Vader doesn't think this kid
named Skywalker is his kid. There's also crystals that amplify the
Force, a leftover from early Star Wars versions. The Luke/Leia romance
is also there, I believe.
--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
<YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
> Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
> the story and was potentially going to be filmed as the sequle movie ...
It was written so any movie version would be low cost: no big battles,
> Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
> Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
> the story and was potentially going to be filmed as the sequle movie ...
small cast, one planet, etc.
> but George Lucas later changed the storyline when actually writing his
> second movie. From memory (since it's been a long time since I read it),
> even though there are a few minor discrepancies, there's nothing hugely
> out of line with what followed later.
>
named Skywalker is his kid. There's also crystals that amplify the
Force, a leftover from early Star Wars versions. The Luke/Leia romance
is also there, I believe.
--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
anim8rFSK
Nov 9, 2012, 9:40:20 PM11/9/12
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--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
BTR1701
Nov 9, 2012, 9:50:44 PM11/9/12
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In article <k7ji1a$aio$1...@dont-email.me>,
mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
> In article <atropos-5DFC9A...@news-europe.giganews.com>, BTR1701
> <atr...@mac.com> writes:
> >In article <k7j20u$m7n$2...@dont-email.me>, mste...@walkabout.empros.com
> >(Michael Stemper) wrote:
> >> However, I'd think that the ending, with Annakin's redemption
> >> and deathbed speech would have had to have been radically
> >> different. You can't really have two sympathetic characters
> >> dying in close order like that.
> >
> >Darth Vader wasn't exactly a sympathetic character.
>
> I specifically used the name "Anakin" for a reason.[1] At the end of
> _Return of the Jedi_, "the good man that was Anakin Skywalker" had
> resurfaced and displaced Vader. He sacrificed himself to defend Luke
> and kill the Emperor.
>
> After this, his Vader mask was symbolically removed.
>
> He had this deathbed speech with Luke:
> L: I can save you, Father.
> A: You already have.
>
> Finally, his corpse was cremated with full honors, and his ghost took
> its place alongside those of Obi-Wan and Yoda.
Yeah, that was all pretty much bullcrap. This guy spends the better part
of his life as the galaxy's number one murdering psychopath, responsible
for the deaths of literally billions, and he has one weepy moment and
saves his own son from the fate to which he condemned the children of
countless others, and suddenly all is well and he gets to hang out in
Force Heaven and be all glowy with Kenobi and Yoda?
I call shenanigans.
> All of this might not have worked for you, but it certainly shows Lucas
> was building up Anakin into a sympathetic character.
That may have been what he was trying for, but he didn't succeed. One
moment of self-serving good doesn't make up for a life of monstrous evil
or even make the character a sympathetic one.
mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
> In article <atropos-5DFC9A...@news-europe.giganews.com>, BTR1701
> <atr...@mac.com> writes:
> >In article <k7j20u$m7n$2...@dont-email.me>, mste...@walkabout.empros.com
> >(Michael Stemper) wrote:
> >> However, I'd think that the ending, with Annakin's redemption
> >> and deathbed speech would have had to have been radically
> >> different. You can't really have two sympathetic characters
> >> dying in close order like that.
> >
> >Darth Vader wasn't exactly a sympathetic character.
>
> I specifically used the name "Anakin" for a reason.[1] At the end of
> _Return of the Jedi_, "the good man that was Anakin Skywalker" had
> resurfaced and displaced Vader. He sacrificed himself to defend Luke
> and kill the Emperor.
>
> After this, his Vader mask was symbolically removed.
>
> He had this deathbed speech with Luke:
> L: I can save you, Father.
> A: You already have.
>
> Finally, his corpse was cremated with full honors, and his ghost took
> its place alongside those of Obi-Wan and Yoda.
Yeah, that was all pretty much bullcrap. This guy spends the better part
of his life as the galaxy's number one murdering psychopath, responsible
for the deaths of literally billions, and he has one weepy moment and
saves his own son from the fate to which he condemned the children of
countless others, and suddenly all is well and he gets to hang out in
Force Heaven and be all glowy with Kenobi and Yoda?
I call shenanigans.
> All of this might not have worked for you, but it certainly shows Lucas
> was building up Anakin into a sympathetic character.
That may have been what he was trying for, but he didn't succeed. One
moment of self-serving good doesn't make up for a life of monstrous evil
or even make the character a sympathetic one.
BTR1701
Nov 9, 2012, 9:52:17 PM11/9/12
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In article <091120121420367228%in...@loclanet.com>,
Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
> In article <leqde2lk5vsj$.dmtsjjcf...@40tude.net>, Murdoc
> <murd...@tweedledum.tweedledee.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
> >
>
> > > The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> > > will John Williams still be scoring them?
> >
> > He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
> > John Williams's music.
>
> He's old, and probably doesn't want to be bothered. I'm not sure if he
> even did any music for the last movie, or if it was just recycled
> stuff.
There was *lots* of original music in SITH. In fact, Williams' use of
the familiar classic STAR WARS themes was at its most minimal in SITH.
Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
> In article <leqde2lk5vsj$.dmtsjjcf...@40tude.net>, Murdoc
> <murd...@tweedledum.tweedledee.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
> >
>
> > > The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> > > will John Williams still be scoring them?
> >
> > He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
> > John Williams's music.
>
> He's old, and probably doesn't want to be bothered. I'm not sure if he
> even did any music for the last movie, or if it was just recycled
> stuff.
There was *lots* of original music in SITH. In fact, Williams' use of
the familiar classic STAR WARS themes was at its most minimal in SITH.
BTR1701
Nov 9, 2012, 9:56:51 PM11/9/12
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In article <anim8rfsk-F938A...@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article
> <YourName-091...@203-118-187-230.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> > start either. :-(
>
> Oh. Damn good point.
One possible heir to the Williams STAR WARS musical dynasty would be
Mark Griskey. He's composed the music to both THE FORCE UNLEASHED video
games and it's quite good. He took Williams thematic material and built
a lot of great original stuff around them. I could easily see him taking
over the final three films, especially considering Williams hit 80 years
old this year and likely won't even live to see all three completed.
Kevin Kiner has done a good job with the music for the animated CLONE
WARS series also, even if he relies a little too much on electronic
instruments for my taste.
anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article
> <YourName-091...@203-118-187-230.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
>
> > In article <leqde2lk5vsj$.dmtsjjcf...@40tude.net>, Murdoc
> > <murd...@tweedledum.tweedledee.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
> > > > The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> > > > will John Williams still be scoring them?
> > >
> > > He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
> > > John Williams's music.
> >
> > It's not really going to be "Star Wars" without the Fox fanfare at the
>
> > In article <leqde2lk5vsj$.dmtsjjcf...@40tude.net>, Murdoc
> > <murd...@tweedledum.tweedledee.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:09:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
> > > > The most crucial question is, now that Disney is making these movies,
> > > > will John Williams still be scoring them?
> > >
> > > He'd damned well better be scoring them. It wouldn't be Star Wars without
> > > John Williams's music.
> >
> > start either. :-(
>
> Oh. Damn good point.
One possible heir to the Williams STAR WARS musical dynasty would be
Mark Griskey. He's composed the music to both THE FORCE UNLEASHED video
games and it's quite good. He took Williams thematic material and built
a lot of great original stuff around them. I could easily see him taking
over the final three films, especially considering Williams hit 80 years
old this year and likely won't even live to see all three completed.
Kevin Kiner has done a good job with the music for the animated CLONE
WARS series also, even if he relies a little too much on electronic
instruments for my taste.
BTR1701
Nov 9, 2012, 9:58:08 PM11/9/12
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In article
<YourName-101...@203-118-187-217.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> The Disney "twinkle" really isn't going to cut it as an introduction. :-(
>
> Even worse if they use the theme tune:
>
> "When you wish upon a star ...
>
> It is a time of great upheaval. Battles rage across the galaxy ..."
Especially considering Williams used 'Wish Upon a Star' quite heavily in
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS...
<YourName-101...@203-118-187-217.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> The Disney "twinkle" really isn't going to cut it as an introduction. :-(
>
> Even worse if they use the theme tune:
>
> "When you wish upon a star ...
>
> It is a time of great upheaval. Battles rage across the galaxy ..."
Especially considering Williams used 'Wish Upon a Star' quite heavily in
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS...
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 9:56:46 PM11/9/12
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In article <nbcr98thukgqe8080...@4ax.com>, Howard Brazee
nothing about the original and/or don't give a damn about the original.
One "good" example, of many, is Jonathan Frakes (Riker on "Star Trek: The
Next Generation") who was brought in to do the "Thunderbirds" movie. He
didn't know anything about the original TV series, so watched a few
episodes and then thought he knew it all ... and we ended up with a load
of utter garbage that doesn't even remotely fit with the TV series, and is
really just a silly "Spy Kids" clone. :-(
Just as bad are the over-egoed fools who think they know better than the
creator what it *should* have been like, depsite the fact that the
original person purposely created to be as it was ... and then we end up
with silly "reboots" which again are nothing like the original.
It's rather idiotic that some people are saying they want the new "Star
Wars" movies to be like "The Sopranos" (for example), but then it's not
actually "Star Wars". It's just some other idea hiding behind the
original's name and ill-fitting with the rest of the series / franchise.
<how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:07:56 +1300, Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name)
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > For me Spielberg is too mawkish, and Abrams too untalented. I think
> >> > Bird has the best combinations of abilities for the job.
> >>
> >> I've met Brad Bird. No arrogance and he knows his stuff.
> >
> >But does he actually know "Star Wars"?
> >
> >The last thing that is needed is what has messed up too many other
> >franchises - some over-egoed new idiot who thinks they know better what
> >"Star Wars" is than the person who actually created it. :-(
>
> That reminds me of a story. George Lucas interviewed Leigh Brackett
> to write the script for "The Empire Strikes Back", on the strength of
> her other screen writing, and asked her if she knew anything about
> science fiction...
Too many times these directors are hired who either know absolutely
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:07:56 +1300, Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name)
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > For me Spielberg is too mawkish, and Abrams too untalented. I think
> >> > Bird has the best combinations of abilities for the job.
> >>
> >> I've met Brad Bird. No arrogance and he knows his stuff.
> >
> >But does he actually know "Star Wars"?
> >
> >The last thing that is needed is what has messed up too many other
> >franchises - some over-egoed new idiot who thinks they know better what
> >"Star Wars" is than the person who actually created it. :-(
>
> That reminds me of a story. George Lucas interviewed Leigh Brackett
> to write the script for "The Empire Strikes Back", on the strength of
> her other screen writing, and asked her if she knew anything about
> science fiction...
nothing about the original and/or don't give a damn about the original.
One "good" example, of many, is Jonathan Frakes (Riker on "Star Trek: The
Next Generation") who was brought in to do the "Thunderbirds" movie. He
didn't know anything about the original TV series, so watched a few
episodes and then thought he knew it all ... and we ended up with a load
of utter garbage that doesn't even remotely fit with the TV series, and is
really just a silly "Spy Kids" clone. :-(
Just as bad are the over-egoed fools who think they know better than the
creator what it *should* have been like, depsite the fact that the
original person purposely created to be as it was ... and then we end up
with silly "reboots" which again are nothing like the original.
It's rather idiotic that some people are saying they want the new "Star
Wars" movies to be like "The Sopranos" (for example), but then it's not
actually "Star Wars". It's just some other idea hiding behind the
original's name and ill-fitting with the rest of the series / franchise.
Your Name
Nov 9, 2012, 10:04:33 PM11/9/12
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In article <091120122119375662%in...@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan
which is why the original release was simply called "Star Wars" (without
any episode number) and the sequel was released as a novel.
> > but George Lucas later changed the storyline when actually writing his
> > second movie. From memory (since it's been a long time since I read it),
> > even though there are a few minor discrepancies, there's nothing hugely
> > out of line with what followed later.
>
> The biggest is Luke fights Vader, and Vader doesn't think this kid
> named Skywalker is his kid.
That's hardly a big issue, especially since at that time Luke wasn't known
or going to be Vader's son.
> There's also crystals that amplify the Force, a leftover from early Star
> Wars versions.
There's nothing in the movies that say such crystals can't exist.
> The Luke/Leia romance is also there, I believe.
Oh dear, here we go with that silliness again. :-(
<in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
> In article
> <YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >
> > Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
> > Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
> > the story and was potentially going to be filmed as the sequel movie ...
> In article
> <YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >
> > Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
> > Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
>
> It was written so any movie version would be low cost: no big battles,
> small cast, one planet, etc.
Originally George Lucas didn't even believe there would be other movies,
> It was written so any movie version would be low cost: no big battles,
> small cast, one planet, etc.
which is why the original release was simply called "Star Wars" (without
any episode number) and the sequel was released as a novel.
> > but George Lucas later changed the storyline when actually writing his
> > second movie. From memory (since it's been a long time since I read it),
> > even though there are a few minor discrepancies, there's nothing hugely
> > out of line with what followed later.
>
> The biggest is Luke fights Vader, and Vader doesn't think this kid
> named Skywalker is his kid.
or going to be Vader's son.
> There's also crystals that amplify the Force, a leftover from early Star
> Wars versions.
> The Luke/Leia romance is also there, I believe.
William December Starr
Nov 9, 2012, 10:06:03 PM11/9/12
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In article <atropos-010533...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
Christian theology if you find Jesus, say, twenty seconds before
you die. (At least, I don't think it is. No PhD. in Theology
here.)
-- wds
BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
> Yeah, that was all pretty much bullcrap. This guy spends the
> better part of his life as the galaxy's number one murdering
> psychopath, responsible for the deaths of literally billions, and
> he has one weepy moment and saves his own son from the fate to
> which he condemned the children of countless others, and suddenly
> all is well and he gets to hang out in Force Heaven and be all
> glowy with Kenobi and Yoda?
>
> I call shenanigans.
It's not that much different from what's supposed to happen in
> Yeah, that was all pretty much bullcrap. This guy spends the
> better part of his life as the galaxy's number one murdering
> psychopath, responsible for the deaths of literally billions, and
> he has one weepy moment and saves his own son from the fate to
> which he condemned the children of countless others, and suddenly
> all is well and he gets to hang out in Force Heaven and be all
> glowy with Kenobi and Yoda?
>
> I call shenanigans.
Christian theology if you find Jesus, say, twenty seconds before
you die. (At least, I don't think it is. No PhD. in Theology
here.)
-- wds
David Johnston
Nov 9, 2012, 10:28:25 PM11/9/12
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wrestled away from the helm controls.
Michael Black
Nov 9, 2012, 10:32:13 PM11/9/12
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, Invid Fan wrote:
> In article
> <YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
>> Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
>> the story and was potentially going to be filmed as the sequle movie ...
>
> It was written so any movie version would be low cost: no big battles,
> small cast, one planet, etc.
>
>> but George Lucas later changed the storyline when actually writing his
>> second movie. From memory (since it's been a long time since I read it),
>> even though there are a few minor discrepancies, there's nothing hugely
>> out of line with what followed later.
>>
> The biggest is Luke fights Vader, and Vader doesn't think this kid
> named Skywalker is his kid. There's also crystals that amplify the
> Force, a leftover from early Star Wars versions. The Luke/Leia romance
> is also there, I believe.
>
I haven't read it since it first came out, and remember no details, but it
> In article
> <YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
>> Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
>> the story and was potentially going to be filmed as the sequle movie ...
>
> It was written so any movie version would be low cost: no big battles,
> small cast, one planet, etc.
>
>> but George Lucas later changed the storyline when actually writing his
>> second movie. From memory (since it's been a long time since I read it),
>> even though there are a few minor discrepancies, there's nothing hugely
>> out of line with what followed later.
>>
> The biggest is Luke fights Vader, and Vader doesn't think this kid
> named Skywalker is his kid. There's also crystals that amplify the
> Force, a leftover from early Star Wars versions. The Luke/Leia romance
> is also there, I believe.
>
did seem like it had nothing to do with the movies. I think when I bought
it I thought it was, only to discover othewise.
Michael
Michael Black
Nov 9, 2012, 10:45:04 PM11/9/12
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012, Your Name wrote:
> In article <nbcr98thukgqe8080...@4ax.com>, Howard Brazee
> <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:07:56 +1300, Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name)
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For me Spielberg is too mawkish, and Abrams too untalented. I think
>>>>> Bird has the best combinations of abilities for the job.
>>>>
>>>> I've met Brad Bird. No arrogance and he knows his stuff.
>>>
>>> But does he actually know "Star Wars"?
>>>
>>> The last thing that is needed is what has messed up too many other
>>> franchises - some over-egoed new idiot who thinks they know better what
>>> "Star Wars" is than the person who actually created it. :-(
>>
>> That reminds me of a story. George Lucas interviewed Leigh Brackett
>> to write the script for "The Empire Strikes Back", on the strength of
>> her other screen writing, and asked her if she knew anything about
>> science fiction...
>
> Too many times these directors are hired who either know absolutely
> nothing about the original and/or don't give a damn about the original.
>
But that doesn't adress the neat Leigh Brackett reference.
> In article <nbcr98thukgqe8080...@4ax.com>, Howard Brazee
> <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:07:56 +1300, Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name)
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For me Spielberg is too mawkish, and Abrams too untalented. I think
>>>>> Bird has the best combinations of abilities for the job.
>>>>
>>>> I've met Brad Bird. No arrogance and he knows his stuff.
>>>
>>> But does he actually know "Star Wars"?
>>>
>>> The last thing that is needed is what has messed up too many other
>>> franchises - some over-egoed new idiot who thinks they know better what
>>> "Star Wars" is than the person who actually created it. :-(
>>
>> That reminds me of a story. George Lucas interviewed Leigh Brackett
>> to write the script for "The Empire Strikes Back", on the strength of
>> her other screen writing, and asked her if she knew anything about
>> science fiction...
>
> Too many times these directors are hired who either know absolutely
> nothing about the original and/or don't give a damn about the original.
>
She started out writing science fiction, when not many women were doing it
and I suspect hoping her name might be ambigous. And then she moved tos
screenwriting, more income. So that refernce is about George Lucas
knowing her only as a screenwriter, not for her science fiction ability.
Which says that Geroge Lucas knows more about movies than science fiction.
Michael
Michael Black
Nov 9, 2012, 11:12:46 PM11/9/12
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repent, and they can die (and they will die) with a saved soul.
Michael
Obveeus
Nov 9, 2012, 11:17:53 PM11/9/12
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trilogy and it showed that Kenobi guy attack a kid, cut off his arms and
legs, set him on fire, and then left him laying there to suffer as lava
slowly consumed the area.
Martin Phipps
Nov 9, 2012, 11:28:40 PM11/9/12
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On Nov 9, 3:34 pm, Seapig <sea...@altavista.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 7:01 pm, BTR1701 <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <db124e99-6579-4190-b00c-56dd76768...@l7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > Seapig <sea...@altavista.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 8, 2:16 pm, "KalElFan" <kalel...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Promising news I think...
>
> > > >http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-...
>
> > > >http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-i...
>
> > > > From the second link:
>
> > > > "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio¹s brass want to
> > > > bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> > > > Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> > > > Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> > > > though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> > > > Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> > > > was open to the idea of returning.
>
> > > No mention of the elephant in the room.
>
> > No, they mentioned Leia.
>
> They mentioned Luke Skywalker, and Mark Hamill.
> They mentioned Han Solo, and Harrison Ford.
> They mentioned Leia.
Yes but Mark Hamill says he and Carrie were on board.
Martin
> On Nov 8, 7:01 pm, BTR1701 <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <db124e99-6579-4190-b00c-56dd76768...@l7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > Seapig <sea...@altavista.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 8, 2:16 pm, "KalElFan" <kalel...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Promising news I think...
>
> > > >http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-has-...
>
> > > >http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/star-wars-episode-vii-may-have-found-i...
>
> > > > From the second link:
>
> > > > "Sources also tell Vulture that the studio¹s brass want to
> > > > bring back the three central characters of the original Star
> > > > Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han
> > > > Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors,
> > > > though our source did say it had high ambitions to sign up
> > > > Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford
> > > > was open to the idea of returning.
>
> > > No mention of the elephant in the room.
>
> > No, they mentioned Leia.
>
> They mentioned Luke Skywalker, and Mark Hamill.
> They mentioned Han Solo, and Harrison Ford.
> They mentioned Leia.
Yes but Mark Hamill says he and Carrie were on board.
Martin
Invid Fan
Nov 9, 2012, 10:53:42 PM11/9/12
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In article
<YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <091120122119375662%in...@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan
> <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> > Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
> > > Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
> > > the story and was potentially going to be filmed as the sequel movie ...
> >
> > It was written so any movie version would be low cost: no big battles,
> > small cast, one planet, etc.
>
> Originally George Lucas didn't even believe there would be other movies,
> which is why the original release was simply called "Star Wars" (without
> any episode number) and the sequel was released as a novel.
>
Yes, but if you look at the early treatments there's quite a bit there
<YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <091120122119375662%in...@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan
> <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> > Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
> > > Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
> > > the story and was potentially going to be filmed as the sequel movie ...
> >
> > It was written so any movie version would be low cost: no big battles,
> > small cast, one planet, etc.
>
> Originally George Lucas didn't even believe there would be other movies,
> which is why the original release was simply called "Star Wars" (without
> any episode number) and the sequel was released as a novel.
>
he wanted to do, and this book from everything I've heard was written
with the intent it could be filmed. Not at the budget Star Wars got,
but cheaper. If Star Wars brought in a small profit, there's no reason
another one couldn't get funding.
>
>
> > > but George Lucas later changed the storyline when actually writing his
> > > second movie. From memory (since it's been a long time since I read it),
> > > even though there are a few minor discrepancies, there's nothing hugely
> > > out of line with what followed later.
> >
> > The biggest is Luke fights Vader, and Vader doesn't think this kid
> > named Skywalker is his kid.
>
> That's hardly a big issue, especially since at that time Luke wasn't known
> or going to be Vader's son.
>
when it came out, and all we had were those two books and the first
movie.
> > The Luke/Leia romance is also there, I believe.
>
> Oh dear, here we go with that silliness again. :-(
Didn't know that was silly :) Alan Dean Foster has been known to flesh
out characters in his movie adaptations (In Alien, for example he
assumes the characters have paired up in various ways, so the fact
neither of the women have been with Ash is an early hint something is
off about him)
Your Name
Nov 10, 2012, 12:09:20 AM11/10/12
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thought they knew better and created the dismal "Enterprise" show and
ignored whatever had been already established. It got even worse with JJ
Abrams ill-fitting movies doing the same.
BTR1701
Nov 10, 2012, 12:20:40 AM11/10/12
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In article <k7kgar$4kv$1...@panix2.panix.com>,
Oh, I know. One of the reasons I call shenanigans on Christianity, too.
Your Name
Nov 10, 2012, 12:19:05 AM11/10/12
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In article <091120122353420310%in...@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan
> > > > but George Lucas later changed the storyline when actually writing his
> > > > second movie. From memory (since it's been a long time since I read it),
> > > > even though there are a few minor discrepancies, there's nothing hugely
> > > > out of line with what followed later.
> > >
> > > The biggest is Luke fights Vader, and Vader doesn't think this kid
> > > named Skywalker is his kid.
> >
> > That's hardly a big issue, especially since at that time Luke wasn't known
> > or going to be Vader's son.
>
> He asked what the continuity problems were. It was fine at the time
> when it came out, and all we had were those two books and the first
> movie.
Even knowing now that Luke did turn out to be Vader's son, it's still not
actually an issue that at one point Vader doesn't think he is.
> > > The Luke/Leia romance is also there, I believe.
> >
> > Oh dear, here we go with that silliness again. :-(
>
> What? That you had the normal boy/girl thing going on to some degree?
> Didn't know that was silly :)
Not sure what you're on about here ... but the "silliness" I meant was all
the morons who keep complaining about Leia kissing Luke, etc. At that
point in the story they didn't know they were siblings.
<in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
> In article
> <YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <091120122119375662%in...@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan
> > <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> > > Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
> > > > Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
> > > > the story and was potentially going to be filmed as the sequel movie ...
> > >
> > > It was written so any movie version would be low cost: no big battles,
> > > small cast, one planet, etc.
> >
> > Originally George Lucas didn't even believe there would be other movies,
> > which is why the original release was simply called "Star Wars" (without
> > any episode number) and the sequel was released as a novel.
>
> Yes, but if you look at the early treatments there's quite a bit there
> he wanted to do, and this book from everything I've heard was written
> with the intent it could be filmed. Not at the budget Star Wars got,
> but cheaper. If Star Wars brought in a small profit, there's no reason
> another one couldn't get funding.
That's what I said: "was potentially going to be filmed as the sequel movie".
> In article
> <YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <091120122119375662%in...@loclanet.com>, Invid Fan
> > <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <YourName-101...@203-118-187-72.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> > > Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Alan Dean Foster did write a sequel book called "Splinter of the Minds
> > > > Eye", which was based on George Lucas' own ideas at the time for more in
> > > > the story and was potentially going to be filmed as the sequel movie ...
> > >
> > > It was written so any movie version would be low cost: no big battles,
> > > small cast, one planet, etc.
> >
> > Originally George Lucas didn't even believe there would be other movies,
> > which is why the original release was simply called "Star Wars" (without
> > any episode number) and the sequel was released as a novel.
>
> Yes, but if you look at the early treatments there's quite a bit there
> he wanted to do, and this book from everything I've heard was written
> with the intent it could be filmed. Not at the budget Star Wars got,
> but cheaper. If Star Wars brought in a small profit, there's no reason
> another one couldn't get funding.
> > > > but George Lucas later changed the storyline when actually writing his
> > > > second movie. From memory (since it's been a long time since I read it),
> > > > even though there are a few minor discrepancies, there's nothing hugely
> > > > out of line with what followed later.
> > >
> > > The biggest is Luke fights Vader, and Vader doesn't think this kid
> > > named Skywalker is his kid.
> >
> > That's hardly a big issue, especially since at that time Luke wasn't known
> > or going to be Vader's son.
>
> He asked what the continuity problems were. It was fine at the time
> when it came out, and all we had were those two books and the first
> movie.
actually an issue that at one point Vader doesn't think he is.
> > > The Luke/Leia romance is also there, I believe.
> >
> > Oh dear, here we go with that silliness again. :-(
>
> What? That you had the normal boy/girl thing going on to some degree?
> Didn't know that was silly :)
the morons who keep complaining about Leia kissing Luke, etc. At that
point in the story they didn't know they were siblings.
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