The Tomorrow People
Martin Dunn
But shouldn't the first Tomorrow People written fiction in 20 years be a
little less invective than Paul Magrs' "Verdigris"?
It runs the full gamut from nasty and accurate to nasty and sad.
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"Martin Dunn" <marti...@historian.com> wrote:
> OK, I know these guys arn't everyone's cup of tea.
>
> But shouldn't the first Tomorrow People written fiction in 20 years
> be a little less invective than Paul Magrs' "Verdigris"?
>
> It runs the full gamut from nasty and accurate to nasty and sad.
Say what? Can you exposit a bit more on this for those who haven't kept
up with the latest "The Tomorrow People" news?
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Martin Dunn
gr...@apple2.com.invalid wrote in article
<greg-7BD8F4.0...@news.binary.net>...
> In article <01bfe7e6$06d6d4a0$LocalHost@flashgri>,
> "Martin Dunn" <marti...@historian.com> wrote:
>
> > OK, I know these guys arn't everyone's cup of tea.
> >
> > But shouldn't the first Tomorrow People written fiction in 20 years
> > be a little less invective than Paul Magrs' "Verdigris"?
> >
> > It runs the full gamut from nasty and accurate to nasty and sad.
>
> Say what? Can you exposit a bit more on this for those who haven't kept
> up with the latest "The Tomorrow People" news?
The Tomorrow People (Thames Television)- series one 1973-1970,
(Nickelodeon)- series two 1992-1995.
Series of books featuring television episode adaptions and new fiction-
"The Visitor" (1974), "Three into Three" (1975), "Four into Three" (1975),
"One Law" (1976) and "The Lost Gods and Hitler's Last Secret and The
Thargon Menace" (1979).
Magazine "Look In" also printed stories.
Adaptions of the second series are also available.
Synopsis! At around the point where sentient creatures develop to the stage
where they can destroy themselves and their planets, evolution sometimes
takes a jump. Spontaneous mutations occur, these mutants possesing psychic
powers and being unable to kill. The next stage in human development walk
amongst us, they are Homo Superior or the Tomorrow People.
For more see: http://www.cyhaus.com/tp/
Paul Magrs' book "Verdigris" (2000) features a parody of them.
Paul Harper
<marti...@historian.com> wrote:
>series one 1973-1970
That would make it "Yesterday's People" shirley?
Paul.
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aliens who bonded to people and, once they had enough people under their
control, stopped masquerading as fashionable clothing.
And the space suits that let the girls hair flow under the helmets was a
nice touch too.
: The Tomorrow People (Thames Television)- series one 1973-1970,
: (Nickelodeon)- series two 1992-1995.
: Series of books featuring television episode adaptions and new fiction-
: "The Visitor" (1974), "Three into Three" (1975), "Four into Three" (1975),
: "One Law" (1976) and "The Lost Gods and Hitler's Last Secret and The
: Thargon Menace" (1979).
: Magazine "Look In" also printed stories.
: Adaptions of the second series are also available.
: Synopsis! At around the point where sentient creatures develop to the stage
: where they can destroy themselves and their planets, evolution sometimes
: takes a jump. Spontaneous mutations occur, these mutants possesing psychic
: powers and being unable to kill. The next stage in human development walk
: amongst us, they are Homo Superior or the Tomorrow People.
: For more see: http://www.cyhaus.com/tp/
: Paul Magrs' book "Verdigris" (2000) features a parody of them.
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Mark Evans
Established in 1951.
Martin Dunn
Mark Evans <mev...@gcfn.org> wrote in article
<8k5hla$kl$1...@acme.gcfn.org>...
> I will always remember the series for the episode with the parasitic
> aliens who bonded to people and, once they had enough people under their
> control, stopped masquerading as fashionable clothing.
"Living Skins"
>
> And the space suits that let the girls hair flow under the helmets was a
> nice touch too.
Most episodes!
I prefered the grey suits they started with to the tin foil ones they
changed too.
It was the helmits. The first lot didn't apear to have any glass covering
the face, where the second style had plastic film. Nasty and dangerous!
William December Starr
"Martin Dunn" <marti...@historian.com> said:
> The Tomorrow People (Thames Television)- series one 1973-1970,
> (Nickelodeon)- series two 1992-1995.
[ *snip* ]
> Paul Magrs' book "Verdigris" (2000) features a parody of them.
Can we assume that it was every bit as brilliantly and subtly nuanced as
his alleged "Star Trek" parody in _The Blue Angel_? (Note: There are
not enough "<sarcasm>" tags in the entire fucking *universe* to properly
convey my intent here...)
-- William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
Spudgun
was that awful space station that had a whack of Airfix Bristol
Bloodhound missile kits on it. It still makes me laugh even now.
Does anyone have a picture of it? I've just HAVE to build a copy!
Spudgun
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so that you reply into your own group. Pretty please, pretty pretty
please with bells on.
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Martin Dunn
Spudgun <Spu...@back-up.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in article
<8k6sg1$hjt$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>...
Try http://www.cyhaus.com/tp/default.htm for episodes.
That would be the Domesday Men, which ends on the strange note of a shuttle
preparing to dock with the station, despite it revolving quite rapidly
through its longest axis by the time the kids are finished with it. No,
tell a lie, it ends with one of those Scooby Doo moments with everyone
hysterical over something not particularly funny.
But you gotta love it!
Martin Dunn
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> laid some serious vibes out
there-
> Can we assume that it was every bit as brilliantly and subtly nuanced as
> his alleged "Star Trek" parody in _The Blue Angel_? (Note: There are
> not enough "<sarcasm>" tags in the entire fucking *universe* to properly
> convey my intent here...)
Well, either you are a fan or not. Much as with the Tomorrow People, I
suppose.
No. No it is not.
Giles Boutel
"Martin Dunn" <marti...@historian.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Mark Evans <mev...@gcfn.org> wrote in article
> <8k5hla$kl$1...@acme.gcfn.org>...
> > I will always remember the series for the episode with the parasitic
> > aliens who bonded to people and, once they had enough people under their
> > control, stopped masquerading as fashionable clothing.
>
> "Living Skins"
That wouldn't be the one where the antogonists in their real form were
utterly alien and terrifying beachballs was it? I dimly remember a chase
scene which bordered on the ludicrous...
-Giles
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"Giles Boutel" <gbo...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>"Martin Dunn" <marti...@historian.com> wrote:
>>Mark Evans <mev...@gcfn.org> wrote:
>>> I will always remember the series for the episode with the
>>> parasitic aliens who bonded to people and, once they had enough
>>> people under their control, stopped masquerading as fashionable
>>> clothing.
>> "Living Skins"
> That wouldn't be the one where the antogonists in their real form were
> utterly alien and terrifying beachballs was it? I dimly remember a chase
> scene which bordered on the ludicrous...
It has been a long time for me, but I compare it more to the use of
weather balloons on "The Prisoner". (An example of this bit from "The
Prisoner" was used in parody on "The Simpsons" once, complete with
music.)
William December Starr
"Martin Dunn" <marti...@historian.com> said:
>> Can we assume that it was every bit as brilliantly and subtly
>> nuanced as his alleged "Star Trek" parody in _The Blue Angel_?
>> (Note: There are not enough "<sarcasm>" tags in the entire fucking
>> *universe* to properly convey my intent here...) [wdstarr]
>
> Well, either you are a fan or not. Much as with the Tomorrow People,
> I suppose.
I'm a fan of good writing. Or even competent writing. Or at least
writing that doesn't display an author's utter, raw contempt for the
art of storytelling.
Which is why I'm seriously -- _seriously_ -- thinking about
ceremoniously burning my copy of _The Blue Angel_. It pisses me off
_that_ badly, and that's got nothing to do with liking or disliking
Star Trek. (Though I'm sure that Magrs' apologists will accuse me of
just being an aggrieved Trekkie or something...)
Historian
William December Starr took a stand...
>
> Which is why I'm seriously -- _seriously_ -- thinking about
> ceremoniously burning my copy of _The Blue Angel_.
Please don't!
Or otherwise in, say, fifity years when fictive characters rights are
finally recognised, and crimes against literature trials are sitting,
they'll call you as a witness and you'll have to admit....
Samuel Kleiner
Night"? If there ever was a crime against literature...
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William December Starr took a stand...
>
> Which is why I'm seriously -- _seriously_ -- thinking about
> ceremoniously burning my copy of _The Blue Angel_.
>
Ex-cast member of the "SIMPSONS" and noted Yellow Person
"Historian" wrote:
>
> Please don't!
> Or otherwise in, say, fifity years when fictive characters rights are
> finally recognised, and crimes against literature trials are sitting,
> they'll call you as a witness and you'll have to admit....
>
In <slrn8mlt...@grey.pseudo> Hitherto-unheard-of Swede
kle...@cd.chalmers.se writes:
>
> What will be the punishment for the sequel to
> "Against the Fall of Night"?
> If there ever was a crime against literature...
>
A SEQUEL to "AGAINST THE FALL OF NIGHT?"
Clarke rewrote it, at one point, as "THE CITY AND THE STARS,"
and in his foreword ( afterword? Don't remember ) swore up
and down that this was his "last word" on the city of Diaspar.
Are you saying he's reneged on his promise, and there's a SEQUEL
out there somewhere?
James Nicoll
Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
>
>A SEQUEL to "AGAINST THE FALL OF NIGHT?"
>
>Clarke rewrote it, at one point, as "THE CITY AND THE STARS,"
>and in his foreword ( afterword? Don't remember ) swore up
>and down that this was his "last word" on the city of Diaspar.
>
>Are you saying he's reneged on his promise, and there's a SEQUEL
>out there somewhere?
>
have not yet encountered _Beyond The Fall of Night_, but not
for Gharlane because asking a question and then setting follow
ups to alt.dev.null is just rude and worthy of getting Fort
Thaxton as a house guest for a month.
ACC did not write a sequel to AtFoN. Gregory Benford did.
I can only assume that the CIA kidnapped Sir Arthur and tortured
him horribly for this to have happened or that whatever terrible
leverage Gentry Lee had on Clarke was passed on to Benford. The
sequel is not just a bad book, the events in it can not happen
given the events in the original. For example, in the original,
the moon is gone. In Benford's abomination, it is back. This
is merely the least measure of the things which are wrong with
BtFoN. As far as I can tell, Benford did not reread Clarke's
book before writing the sequel. He may never have read the book
at all. The only things the original and the atrocity known
as BtFoN have in common is some character names. The reader
would be better off gargling H2SO4 rather than reading the
crap Benford wrote as a sequel. They would be better off watching
_The Starlost_ reruns. If I could fully express how awful the
so-called sequel is, everyone within hearing range would decay
into a foul liquid.
James Nicoll
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>
> Clarke rewrote it, at one point, as "THE CITY AND THE STARS,"
> and in his foreword ( afterword? Don't remember ) swore up
> and down that this was his "last word" on the city of Diaspar.
>
He's a socialist, isn't he?
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newsgroup.
But it does validate their claim that the are nastire to someone they have
history with.
Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y
James Nicoll <jam...@morse.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> [...] If I could fully express how awful the
>so-called sequel is, everyone within hearing range would decay
>into a foul liquid.
So you didn't like it much, eh?
If one *had* to choose between reading this, and reading Baxter's
_Titan_, what would you advise?
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James Nicoll
Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y <lei...@pvv.ntnu.no> wrote:
>In article <8knda3$8tp$1...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca>,
>James Nicoll <jam...@morse.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>> [...] If I could fully express how awful the
>>so-called sequel is, everyone within hearing range would decay
>>into a foul liquid.
>
>So you didn't like it much, eh?
>
>If one *had* to choose between reading this, and reading Baxter's
>_Titan_, what would you advise?
>
James Nicoll
James Nicoll <jam...@morse.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>In article <8kv9se$p8t$1...@kopp.stud.ntnu.no>,
>Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y <lei...@pvv.ntnu.no> wrote:
>>In article <8knda3$8tp$1...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca>,
>>James Nicoll <jam...@morse.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>> [...] If I could fully express how awful the
>>>so-called sequel is, everyone within hearing range would decay
>>>into a foul liquid.
>>
>>So you didn't like it much, eh?
>>
>>If one *had* to choose between reading this, and reading Baxter's
>>_Titan_, what would you advise?
>>
> Suicide.
But to be less flip, _Titan_ for all its flaws is just
Baxter peeing in his own soup. Benford's various hamhanded
attempts at writing in -other people's universes- is worse
because he consistantly shows he can't be bothered to read the
source material [The foundation thingie excepted, as I have not
read it].
What happened to Benford, anyway?
P Nielsen Hayden
>In article <8kv9se$p8t$1...@kopp.stud.ntnu.no>,
>Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y <lei...@pvv.ntnu.no> wrote:
>>In article <8knda3$8tp$1...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca>,
>>James Nicoll <jam...@morse.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>> [...] If I could fully express how awful the
>>>so-called sequel is, everyone within hearing range would decay
>>>into a foul liquid.
>>
>>So you didn't like it much, eh?
>>
>>If one *had* to choose between reading this, and reading Baxter's
>>_Titan_, what would you advise?
>>
> Suicide.
And that's why we should all prefer independent booksellers to the evil,
soulless chains. Solid, practical, individually-tailored advice.
--
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new weblog at http://www.panix.com/~pnh/electrolite.html
Samuel Kleiner
>In article <8kvdvk$l6u$1...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca>,
>James Nicoll <jam...@morse.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>In article <8kv9se$p8t$1...@kopp.stud.ntnu.no>,
>>Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y <lei...@pvv.ntnu.no> wrote:
>>>If one *had* to choose between reading this, and reading Baxter's
>>>_Titan_, what would you advise?
>>>
>> Suicide.
>
> But to be less flip, _Titan_ for all its flaws is just
>Baxter peeing in his own soup.
I bought _Titan_ by mail order...
In *Hardcover*
Waaah!
Jeffrey A Pleimling
: I bought _Titan_ by mail order...
:
: In *Hardcover*
:
: Waaah!
<AOL> me too... </AOL>
Knowing that Amazon has a record of me bying this much more scary then
wondering what might be in my FBI/CIA/EPA/HUD/(insert TLA here) file.
Jeff Pleimling
j...@interaccess.com
Gharlane of Eddore
In <8knda3$8tp$1...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca>,
James Nicoll <jam...@morse.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
> [...] If I could fully express how awful the
> so-called sequel is, everyone within hearing range would decay
> into a foul liquid.
>
In <8kv9se$p8t$1...@kopp.stud.ntnu.no>,
Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y <lei...@pvv.ntnu.no> wrote:
>
> So you didn't like it much, eh?
>
> If one *had* to choose between reading this, and reading
> Baxter's _Titan_, what would you advise?
>
On 17 Jul 2000 16:58:28 GMT,
James Nicoll <jam...@morse.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
> Suicide.
>
In <slrn8n6l0...@pnh-0.dsl.speakeasy.net> p...@panix.com writes:
>
> And that's why we should all prefer independent booksellers to the
> evil, soulless chains. Solid, practical, individually-tailored
> advice.
>
Hardly. The reason for cherishing independent booksellers is that
they, unlike major publishing conglomerate dependents, often stock
books that are WORTH READING....
Kevin J. Maroney
>Hardly. The reason for cherishing independent booksellers is that
>they, unlike major publishing conglomerate dependents, often stock
>books that are WORTH READING....
You, sir, suffer from a severe and tiresome lack of iron.
*plonk*
--
Kevin Maroney | kmar...@crossover.com
Kitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction
<http://www.nyrsf.com>
Thomas Womack
> I bought _Titan_ by mail order...
>
> In *Hardcover*
>
> Waaah!
Waaah, indeed. Though thankfully Baxter never made it onto my 'mail-order on
publication' list [Bujold, Stephenson, Sterling, Pratchett ATM]; Egan was
'buy on sight without reading the first pages' until Teranesia, and almost
everyone else I'll read the book in Waterstone's to be sure I want to reread
it, before buying it and taking it home.
Tom
P Nielsen Hayden
>James Nicoll <jam...@morse.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>
>> [...] If I could fully express how awful the
>> so-called sequel is, everyone within hearing range would decay
>> into a foul liquid.
>
>In <8kv9se$p8t$1...@kopp.stud.ntnu.no>,
>Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y <lei...@pvv.ntnu.no> wrote:
>>
>> So you didn't like it much, eh?
>>
>> If one *had* to choose between reading this, and reading
>> Baxter's _Titan_, what would you advise?
>
>On 17 Jul 2000 16:58:28 GMT,
>James Nicoll <jam...@morse.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Suicide.
>
>In <slrn8n6l0...@pnh-0.dsl.speakeasy.net> p...@panix.com writes:
>>
>> And that's why we should all prefer independent booksellers to the
>> evil, soulless chains. Solid, practical, individually-tailored
>> advice.
>>
>
>they, unlike major publishing conglomerate dependents, often stock
>books that are WORTH READING....
You don't get jokes much on Eddore, do you?
Geoduck
<kmar...@crossover.com> wrote:
>ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) wrote:
>>Hardly. The reason for cherishing independent booksellers is that
>>they, unlike major publishing conglomerate dependents, often stock
>>books that are WORTH READING....
>
>You, sir, suffer from a severe and tiresome lack of iron.
Lack of iron? Have the acolytes been messing with the nutrient feeds
again?
--
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Tom Holt
from geo...@usa.net (Geoduck) contains these words:
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:21:08 -0400, Kevin J. Maroney
> <kmar...@crossover.com> wrote:
> >ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) wrote:
> >>Hardly. The reason for cherishing independent booksellers is that
> >>they, unlike major publishing conglomerate dependents, often stock
> >>books that are WORTH READING....
> >
> >You, sir, suffer from a severe and tiresome lack of iron.
> Lack of iron? Have the acolytes been messing with the nutrient feeds
> again?
Who needs iron when you can have 5160 steel?
Gharlane of Eddore
On 17 Jul 2000 16:58:28 GMT,
>
> Suicide.
>
In <slrn8n6l0...@pnh-0.dsl.speakeasy.net> p...@panix.com writes:
>
> And that's why we should all prefer independent booksellers to the
> evil, soulless chains. Solid, practical, individually-tailored
> advice.
>
Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
>
> Hardly. The reason for cherishing independent booksellers is that
> they, unlike major publishing conglomerate dependents, often stock
> books that are WORTH READING....
>
In <slrn8n9jn...@pnh-0.dsl.speakeasy.net> p...@panix.com writes:
On 18 Jul 2000 15:58:29 GMT,
>
> You don't get jokes much on Eddore, do you?
>
Ah. *NOW* I understand why you rejected my last book.
You're so humor-impaired that you don't recognize anything
with a hint of subtlety to it. Without belaboring it, my
post was a "see you, raise you" jest that amplified upon
your own, but was obviously wasted on the present audience.
*bonk* *bonk* Is this thing on? Can anyone hear me?
I know you're out there, I can hear you typing....
P Nielsen Hayden
>
>On 17 Jul 2000 16:58:28 GMT,
>James Nicoll <jam...@morse.uwaterloo.ca> advised:
>>
>> Suicide.
>>
>
>
>In <slrn8n6l0...@pnh-0.dsl.speakeasy.net> p...@panix.com writes:
>>
>> And that's why we should all prefer independent booksellers to the
>> evil, soulless chains. Solid, practical, individually-tailored
>> advice.
>>
>
>
>Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hardly. The reason for cherishing independent booksellers is that
>> they, unlike major publishing conglomerate dependents, often stock
>> books that are WORTH READING....
>>
>
>
>In <slrn8n9jn...@pnh-0.dsl.speakeasy.net> p...@panix.com writes:
>On 18 Jul 2000 15:58:29 GMT,
>>
>> You don't get jokes much on Eddore, do you?
>>
>
>
>Ah. *NOW* I understand why you rejected my last book.
>You're so humor-impaired that you don't recognize anything
>with a hint of subtlety to it. Without belaboring it, my
>post was a "see you, raise you" jest that amplified upon
>your own, but was obviously wasted on the present audience.
Clearly. In fact, beyond a doubt, Tor was quite unworthy to publish any
book written by a subtle mind of your magificence. So you see it's all for
the best.
Gharlane of Eddore
Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
>
> Ah. *NOW* I understand why you rejected my last book.
> You're so humor-impaired that you don't recognize anything
> with a hint of subtlety to it. Without belaboring it, my
> post was a "see you, raise you" jest that amplified upon
> your own, but was obviously wasted on the present audience.
>
In <slrn8n9qh...@pnh-0.dsl.speakeasy.net> p...@panix.com writes:
>
> Clearly. In fact, beyond a doubt, Tor was quite unworthy to publish
> any book written by a subtle mind of your magificence.
>
Gary Farber *made* you say that, didn't he?
>
> So you see it's all for the best.
>
Yes, quite likely; the $500K initial advance my agent would have
held you up for would most likely have kept you from taking more
chances on potentially wonderful mid-list writers that year,
with your budget so tight ...... and I'd hate to have been
responsible for keeping that many hard-working kids on welfare.
But don't worry about it! Some day when the conservatives get a
working majority, the Thor Power Tools decision will be reversed, and
those who handed it down shot, flayed, drawn and quartered, rolled
in salt, and buried at sea while still breathing; and U.S. publishing
will once again be able to function as a decentralized business no
longer ruled by corporate megaliths possessed of all the brains and
imagination you'd expect to find in substandard rocks.
Just hang in there, and one day you'll be able to work the way
you want, and not have to count the beans so closely!
In the meantime beware of Ironic Feedback, but rest assured we'll
continue to buy most of your products.
WWS
Gharlane of Eddore wrote:
>
>
> But don't worry about it! Some day when the conservatives get a
> working majority, the Thor Power Tools decision will be reversed, and
> those who handed it down shot, flayed, drawn and quartered, rolled
> in salt, and buried at sea while still breathing; and U.S. publishing
> will once again be able to function as a decentralized business no
> longer ruled by corporate megaliths possessed of all the brains and
> imagination you'd expect to find in substandard rocks.
If Napster somehow manages to win their case against Metallica and
the recording industry, you're going to see every industry that
has anything to do with copyrighted works turned on it's head
overnight. I don't *think* the odds of that happening are high,
but if it does - gangway!
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_________________________________________________WWS_____________
It may be that your sole purpose in life is
simply to serve as a warning to others.
Gharlane of Eddore
>
> Hardly. The reason for cherishing independent booksellers is that
> they, unlike major publishing conglomerate dependents, often stock
> books that are WORTH READING....
>
On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:21:08 -0400, Kevin J. Maroney
<kmar...@crossover.com> wrote:
>
> You, sir, suffer from a severe and tiresome lack of iron.
>
In <3974ce14...@news.olywa.net>,
geo...@usa.net (Geoduck) wrote:
>
> Lack of iron? Have the acolytes been messing with the nutrient
> feeds again?
>
Actually, we use haemocyanin and a Helium-II slurry for nutrient
transport.
In <200007182...@zetnet.co.uk>
Tom Holt <lemmi...@zetnet.co.uk> writes:
>
> Who needs iron when you can have 5160 steel?
>
Who needs to fuss about with steel, when you can have a nice
titanium bronze?
Ian Harvey
Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote in message
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>
>
> Who needs to fuss about with steel, when you can have a nice
> titanium bronze?
>
>
I would have thought your tank would be Arenak or Inoson at a minimum.
Ian
Gharlane of Eddore
Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Who needs to fuss about with steel, when you can have a nice
> titanium bronze?
>
In <8l6h74$dqg$1...@ucsnew1.ncl.ac.uk>
"Ian Harvey" <i.j.h...@ncl.ac.uk> writes:
>
> I would have thought your tank would be Arenak or Inoson at a minimum.
>
We were not speaking of my tank, remember?
My tank is Lux metal, since transparency is an issue; the old one was
X-tempered Herculite, and didn't survive the last Acolyte Rebellion.
( They insisted on watching "CHARMED." I eventually found it necessary
to box them and ship them to the Borg. )
The next upgrade will be a Lux-metal tank with an embedded network of
ReLux micro-fibers; superconductors are wonderful for absorbing
heat rays and other such EM assaults.
To date, the only real difficulty with the Lux tank has been finding
a way to grind the side of the tank to prescription so that I can
see the big lab display screen without glasses. Hard to wear glasses
with no ears.....
Tom Thatcher
You're not using adaptive optics? The correct application of magnetic
lines of force should allow the tank to deform to your prescription
at any viewing angle you choose. Because obviously you need to grind
each side of the tank otherwise, for those times when red-headed acolytes
provide superior viewing to the TV.
By the way, consider a double layer of superconduction fibers. You
can pump enough heat into the outer layer to incinerate any contaminants
that foul the view through the tank, much like a self-cleaning oven,
while the inner layer keeps you comfortably chilly.
--
Tom Thatcher
University of Rochester Cancer Center
tt...@mail.rochester.edu
Mike Van Pelt
Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
>We were not speaking of my tank, remember?
>My tank is Lux metal, since transparency is an issue; the old one was
>X-tempered Herculite, and didn't survive the last Acolyte Rebellion.
Hey, what are Arcot, Wade, and Morley up to these days?
--
Yes, I am the last man to have walked on the moon, | Mike Van Pelt
and that's a very dubious and disappointing honor. | m...@netcom.com
It's been far too long. -- Gene Cernan | KE6BVH
Gharlane of Eddore
Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
>
> We were not speaking of my tank, remember?
> My tank is Lux metal, since transparency is an issue; the old one was
> X-tempered Herculite, and didn't survive the last Acolyte Rebellion.
>
In <8lb75q$9dh$1...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>
m...@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
>
> Hey, what are Arcot, Wade, and Morley up to these days?
>
"Morley" is either the cancer-stick of choice among impressionable X-Philes,
or a fat dead British actor, your choice.
The Fenachrone will be stopping by this afternoon to discuss your disdain
for the Classics. Have your affairs in order.
Gharlane of Eddore
Commenting on the engineering of my living environment,
In <8l7am5$eo3r$1...@mail1.ats.rochester.edu> tt...@mail1.ats.rochester.edu
(Tom Thatcher) writes:
>
> You're not using adaptive optics? The correct application of magnetic
> lines of force should allow the tank to deform to your prescription
> at any viewing angle you choose.
>
The magnetic field density necessary to deform Lux Metal gives me a
headache, *and* impairs my Virtual Presence Link. ( We're talking
megaGauss ranges, here; sufficient to deform normal molecular
structures. )
>
> Because obviously you need to grind
> each side of the tank otherwise, for those times when red-headed acolytes
> provide superior viewing to the TV.
>
Nope. Only look in one direction; while I retain some basic focusing
ability, the eyes are only on controllable stalks when I'm in one of
the limited support capacity "perambulators," the current version of
which is good for about thirty or forty hours, tops. The rest of the
time I just float here, watching what's in front of me. Fortunately,
the same neural implants that I use to control the TV remote and the
Network Interface are also connected to the video switching board
in the security system, so I can look through any of the cameras in
the lab, or several at once. For this reason, Acolyte Watching is
my primary avocation, and the triplets we cloned from Juliet Prowse's
genotype five years ago are especially easy on the eyes. Of course,
since they were educated as M.D.'s and engineers rather than dancers,
and are only now taking up ballet and tap, they've got a few years
to go yet before they'll start showing up on TV and in the movies
so *you* get to see them work... be patient.
>
> By the way, consider a double layer of superconduction fibers.
> You can pump enough heat into the outer layer to incinerate any
> contaminants that foul the view through the tank, much like a
> self-cleaning oven, while the inner layer keeps you comfortably chilly.
>
This is a good idea; my/our thanks for the suggestion.
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Mike Van Pelt
Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
>In <8l75eg$o...@news.csus.edu>,
>Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
>>
>> We were not speaking of my tank, remember?
>> My tank is Lux metal, since transparency is an issue; the old one was
>> X-tempered Herculite, and didn't survive the last Acolyte Rebellion.
>
>In <8lb75q$9dh$1...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>
>m...@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
>>
>> Hey, what are Arcot, Wade, and Morley up to these days?
>
>"Morley" is either the cancer-stick of choice among impressionable X-Philes,
>or a fat dead British actor, your choice.
Argh! Morey, Robert Morey. That's what I get for not
reviewing primary sources before posting.
>The Fenachrone will be stopping by this afternoon to discuss your disdain
>for the Classics. Have your affairs in order.
And appropriate measures locked and loaded, yes indeedy.
(Does Wade's nifty knock-out gas work on Fenachrone? I
guess I'll find out. Hope the neighbors don't mind an
unscheduled nap.)
Gharlane of Eddore
I wrote:
>
> The Fenachrone will be stopping by this afternoon to discuss your disdain
> for the Classics. Have your affairs in order.
>
In <8ljl68$34k$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>
m...@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
>
> And appropriate measures locked and loaded, yes indeedy.
>
Waste of time. Fenachrone are bullet-proof, at least to any
individually operated weapon that can be used by a normal
human being who lacks Imperial augments.
>
> (Does Wade's nifty knock-out gas work on Fenachrone? I
> guess I'll find out. Hope the neighbors don't mind an
> unscheduled nap.)
>
I suggest NitroBarb in a dimethyl sulfoxide tractor solvent
carrier; Fenachrone don't breathe much, either, and you can
get a better effect by just spritzing them. Of course,
first you have to get *close* enough to them to spritz, and
this is not a trivial task.
cgla...@hotmail.com
> I wrote:
> >
> > The Fenachrone will be stopping by this afternoon to discuss your
> >
>
> In <8ljl68$34k$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>
> m...@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
> >
> > And appropriate measures locked and loaded, yes indeedy.
> Waste of time. Fenachrone are bullet-proof, at least to any
> individually operated weapon that can be used by a normal
> human being who lacks Imperial augments.
Gharlane, Gharlane, Gharlane... tsk tsk tsk. It is a sad day indeed
when *I* have to correct *you* on Smith-ian canon.
As we might recall, M. Reynolds Crane was at one point standing ready
to go up against one... with a .475 elephant gun. And Marc C. DuQuesne
and "Baby Doll" Loring wiped out an entire control room full of them
using only conventional Earth pistols.
However, those were *unarmored* Fenachrone... see below.
Plus, if he has X-Plosive ammunition, he can be toting a common Colt
.45 with ammo that hits like a 20mm explosive shell. Or for that
matter, a 20-megaton strat-nuke. (Admittedly, those loads have a
slight problem re: circle of total destruction being wider than the
maximum range of the projectile...)
> > (Does Wade's nifty knock-out gas work on Fenachrone? I
> > guess I'll find out. Hope the neighbors don't mind an
> > unscheduled nap.)
> >
>
> I suggest NitroBarb in a dimethyl sulfoxide tractor solvent
> carrier; Fenachrone don't breathe much, either, and you can
> get a better effect by just spritzing them. Of course,
> first you have to get *close* enough to them to spritz, and
> this is not a trivial task.
Due to the Fenachrone habit of routinely suiting up in their space
armor for combat operations, chemical weapons would be useless. For
that matter, conventional hand weapons would be useless unless said
hand weapons were capable of punching something roughly comparable to G-
P armor. (The DuQuesne/Loring incident was an ambush vs. unprepared
targets).
So in infantry combat vs. Fenachrone, the average 20th-Century Earth-
Human would indeed be meat for the beast.
But they're not *bulletproof*... at least, not without assistance.
--
Chuckg
"You got to learn three things. What's real, what's not real, and
what's the difference..." -- Granny Weatherwax
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Gharlane of Eddore
Concerning Mike Van Pelt's error on Classic Golden Age SkiFfy,
I wrote:
>
> The Fenachrone will be stopping by this afternoon to discuss your
> disdain for the Classics. Have your affairs in order.
>
In <8ljl68$34k$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>
m...@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
>
> And appropriate measures locked and loaded, yes indeedy.
>
In <8lmpk2$t...@news.csus.edu>,
ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) wrote:
>
> Waste of time. Fenachrone are bullet-proof, at least to any
> individually operated weapon that can be used by a normal
> human being who lacks Imperial augments.
>
In <8ln8ta$ucs$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> cgla...@hotmail.com writes:
>
> Gharlane, Gharlane, Gharlane... tsk tsk tsk. It is a sad day indeed
> when *I* have to correct *you* on Smith-ian canon.
>
> As we might recall, M. Reynolds Crane was at one point standing ready
> to go up against one... with a .475 elephant gun. And Marc C. DuQuesne
> and "Baby Doll" Loring wiped out an entire control room full of them
> using only conventional Earth pistols.
>
> However, those were *unarmored* Fenachrone... see below.
>
Not quite. The Great Chronicler didn't want to waste critical narrative
time in an action scene discussing Dr. Marc C. DuQuesne's chemical and
metallurgical upgrades to the standard M1911.
In the nineteen-thirties, the Basic Model Fenachrone *was* vulnerable
to under-half-inch-diameter ammo carrying over about 2600 foot-pounds
of impact energy; this was barely sufficient to penetrate the two-phase
monocrystalline tungsten/iridium mesh / Fenachrone Chitin composite
armor of the day.
But it's been OVER SIX DECADES, GUY.... do you honestly think a
scientist of Fenor's caliber couldn't come up with better battle
armor in over HALF A CENTURY of tinkering? Current-model
Fenachrone are bullet-proof up to 6000 foot-pounds, which means
that even a .600 Holland & Holland Nitro Express only knocks them
down briefly ( and that, only if they haven't got anything to
hold on to during the impact ). More important, genetic
engineering has assured that it grows naturally on warrior-class
Fenachrone, and can be installed using a "Retrofit Virus" on any
other Fenachrone who feels the need.
>
> Plus, if he has X-Plosive ammunition, he can be toting a common Colt
> .45 with ammo that hits like a 20mm explosive shell. Or for that
> matter, a 20-megaton strat-nuke. (Admittedly, those loads have a
> slight problem re: circle of total destruction being wider than the
> maximum range of the projectile...)
>
This is why Fenachrone Combat Armor is powered Dagal/Cosmium alloy,
and tractor-beam anchored to the nearest planetary core so that
minor explosions won't knock it around enough to injure the wearer.
In <8ljl68$34k$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>
m...@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
>
> (Does Wade's nifty knock-out gas work on Fenachrone? I
> guess I'll find out. Hope the neighbors don't mind an
> unscheduled nap.)
>
In <8lmpk2$t...@news.csus.edu>,
ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) wrote:
>
> I suggest NitroBarb in a dimethyl sulfoxide tractor solvent
> carrier; Fenachrone don't breathe much, either, and you can
> get a better effect by just spritzing them. Of course,
> first you have to get *close* enough to them to spritz, and
> this is not a trivial task.
In <8ln8ta$ucs$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> cgla...@hotmail.com writes:
>
> Due to the Fenachrone habit of routinely suiting up in their space
> armor for combat operations, chemical weapons would be useless. For
> that matter, conventional hand weapons would be useless unless said
> hand weapons were capable of punching something roughly comparable to
> G-P armor. (The DuQuesne/Loring incident was an ambush vs. unprepared
> targets).
>
> So in infantry combat vs. Fenachrone, the average 20th-Century Earth-
> Human would indeed be meat for the beast.
>
> But they're not *bulletproof*... at least, not without assistance.
>
If you count genetic engineering of an already relatively bullet-proof
integument as "assistance," your assertion is quite correct.
In the late sixties, a Fenachrone Go-Go Dancer was working in a strip
joint near the Gaza Strip. The joint was hit by terrorists, to
all intents and purposes *nuked*.... but it was well over a day before
she stopped dancing, because no one had the nerve to bother her while
she was working, and tell her the building and the audience were gone.
*NEVER* interrupt a Fenachrone.
Mike Van Pelt
>In article <8lmpk2$t...@news.csus.edu>, ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) wrote:
>> Concerning Mike Van Pelt's error on Classic Golden Age SkiFfy,
>> I wrote:
>>>> The Fenachrone will be stopping by this afternoon to discuss your
>>> (Does Wade's nifty knock-out gas work on Fenachrone? I
>>> guess I'll find out. Hope the neighbors don't mind an
>>> unscheduled nap.)
>
>>I suggest NitroBarb in a dimethyl sulfoxide tractor solvent
>>carrier; Fenachrone don't breathe much, either, and you can
>>get a better effect by just spritzing them. Of course,
>>first you have to get *close* enough to them to spritz, and
>>this is not a trivial task.
>
>Due to the Fenachrone habit of routinely suiting up in their space
>armor for combat operations, chemical weapons would be useless.
Ha! Why do you think I specified *Wade's* nifty knock-out gas?
That stuff diffuses through armor plate like it wasn't there,
including Fenachrone armor. Which also makes holding one's
breath about as useless a defense as doing the same against VX
or Sarin, so "not breathing much" won't help 'em.
(Which is pretty much how it turned out. Gassing the Fenachrone
without gassing myself was a pretty interesting problem, let
me tell you. *Nothing* is gas-tight against that stuff.)
(Now, what do I do with a baker's dozen of comatose Fenachrone?
I think I'll FedEx them to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. COD, of course.)
cgla...@hotmail.com
ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) wrote:
>
>
> Concerning Mike Van Pelt's error on Classic Golden Age SkiFfy,
> I wrote:
>
> >
> > The Fenachrone will be stopping by this afternoon to discuss your
> >
>
> In <8ljl68$34k$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>
> m...@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
> >
> > And appropriate measures locked and loaded, yes indeedy.
> >
>
> > individually operated weapon that can be used by a normal
> > human being who lacks Imperial augments.
> >
>
> In <8ln8ta$ucs$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> cgla...@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> > Gharlane, Gharlane, Gharlane... tsk tsk tsk. It is a sad day indeed
> > when *I* have to correct *you* on Smith-ian canon.
> >
> > As we might recall, M. Reynolds Crane was at one point standing
> > ready to go up against one... with a .475 elephant gun. And Marc
> > C. DuQuesne and "Baby Doll" Loring wiped out an entire control room
> > full of them using only conventional Earth pistols.
> >
> > However, those were *unarmored* Fenachrone... see below.
> Not quite. The Great Chronicler didn't want to waste critical
> narrative time in an action scene discussing Dr. Marc C. DuQuesne's
> chemical and metallurgical upgrades to the standard M1911.
> In the nineteen-thirties, the Basic Model Fenachrone *was* vulnerable
> to under-half-inch-diameter ammo carrying over about 2600 foot-pounds
> of impact energy; this was barely sufficient to penetrate the two-
> phase monocrystalline tungsten/iridium mesh / Fenachrone Chitin
> composite armor of the day.
DuQuesne and Loring *weren't* shooting for the head when ambushing
Fenachrone with their suits off? Tsk, tsk...
> But it's been OVER SIX DECADES, GUY.... do you honestly think a
> scientist of Fenor's caliber couldn't come up with better battle
> armor in over HALF A CENTURY of tinkering?
Given that Fenor was the next-to-last Emperor of the Fenachrone and was
never any kind of scientist at all, the answer is "No."
Perhaps you meant "Fleet Admiral First Scientist Sleemet"? :-)
cgla...@hotmail.com
m...@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) wrote:
> In article <8ln8ta$ucs$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <cgla...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >>> (Does Wade's nifty knock-out gas work on Fenachrone? I
> >>> guess I'll find out. Hope the neighbors don't mind an
> >>> unscheduled nap.)
> >
> >>I suggest NitroBarb in a dimethyl sulfoxide tractor solvent
> >>carrier; Fenachrone don't breathe much, either, and you can
> >>get a better effect by just spritzing them. Of course,
> >>first you have to get *close* enough to them to spritz, and
> >>this is not a trivial task.
> >
> >Due to the Fenachrone habit of routinely suiting up in their space
> >armor for combat operations, chemical weapons would be useless.
>
> Ha! Why do you think I specified *Wade's* nifty knock-out gas?
> That stuff diffuses through armor plate like it wasn't there,
> including Fenachrone armor. Which also makes holding one's
> breath about as useless a defense as doing the same against VX
> or Sarin, so "not breathing much" won't help 'em.
Does Wade's nifty knock-out gas work through sealed vacuum suits?
(Heavily armored ones, to boot, perhaps with force fields backing them
up.) Fenachrone armor is designed for space combat... it's not *quite*
as bad as Galactic Patrol issue, but it's pretty close.
> (Which is pretty much how it turned out. Gassing the Fenachrone
> without gassing myself was a pretty interesting problem, let
> me tell you. *Nothing* is gas-tight against that stuff.)
Use a binary gas... the gas doesn't start being active until *after*
the grenade has hit the target and the two components have started
mixing. Then make sure you're not downwind. Elementary.
> (Now, what do I do with a baker's dozen of comatose Fenachrone?
> I think I'll FedEx them to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. COD, of course.)
Better hurry, you want to get them there before March.
--
Chuckg