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"The Walking Dead" vs "Revolution"

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Lynn McGuire

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Oct 24, 2012, 1:03:18 PM10/24/12
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OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
cases even has product in it. And the google guy
is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine, there
will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
calories to 500/day.

In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
they have been on the run for months. They are
dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.

Just my $0.02,
Lynn

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

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Oct 24, 2012, 5:44:23 PM10/24/12
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In article <k6970u$i0p$1...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:

> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,

what proof that there is famine?

Lynn McGuire

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Oct 25, 2012, 1:09:05 PM10/25/12
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Without powered machinery for food production,
people in the past needed to spend 80% of their
time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays.
The transition back to manual food production
will be horrendous.

Plus the militia shows up every so often and
takes most of their food.

Lynn

Michael Bowker

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Oct 25, 2012, 2:36:51 PM10/25/12
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Powered machinery, chemical fertilizers, insecticides, transportation to
move the food around, genetically engineered seeds, engine pumped water,
and satellite weather information. Plus a shortage of large animals to
work old farm equipment because ravaging hordes ate them.

Lynn McGuire

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Oct 25, 2012, 4:00:26 PM10/25/12
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My great-grandfather plowed his fields during WWII
here in Texas using two mules because he could not
get enough gasoline to run his tractor. Those
days are long gone and those mules are long gone.

Lynn

jack

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Oct 25, 2012, 8:26:26 PM10/25/12
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There are other land holdings possible besides small family farms that suffer from in-economies of scale. Large latifundia could maximize the land farmed with a smaller landforce.

Michael Bowker

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Oct 25, 2012, 8:37:07 PM10/25/12
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I must be older than you, for me it was my grandfather. :) Seriously,
people have no idea how much work it is to grow food without modern
technology. ...or how hard it is to transport food.

Michael Bowker

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Oct 25, 2012, 8:42:39 PM10/25/12
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You could do much worse than adopting Roman technology. But they had
plenty of people and animals to carry out such techniques, a post
die-off world would have a shortage of both. Eventually yes that would
naturally be the way to go, but this is only 15 years from the die-off.

Lynn McGuire

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Oct 26, 2012, 2:11:34 PM10/26/12
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I'm 52. My grandfather was 45 in 1943 and died
when one of the mules kicked him in the stomach.
He put the mules up and went to the house to take
a nap. He died in his sleep from a torn artery
in his stomach since he refused to go to the
hospital. He was born and raised in Belgium and
very hard headed.

Lynn

Lynn McGuire

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Oct 26, 2012, 2:12:26 PM10/26/12
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Sigh. s/grandfather/great-grandfather/

Lynn


Michael Bowker

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Oct 26, 2012, 3:48:53 PM10/26/12
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Nope, we're the same age. Funny, my great-grandfather died almost the
same way (only in German and long before WWII). The day before his
99th birthday, he took his normal walk around the land. Came back for
his nap and died in his sleep from a brain hemorrhage. But my
grandfather's mules didn't kill him, he died in the 70's (the 1970, not
his 70's (although he was in his late 70's)) from a heart attack in
Temple, TX.

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

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Oct 26, 2012, 5:00:12 PM10/26/12
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You'd have a large population of "useless" workers, with nothing to do after
their tweeters died, that the militia could put on farms and say "work or die"

The Amish don't say that, but they manage quite well without most of the powered
machinery consider necessary


>
> Plus the militia shows up every so often and
> takes most of their food.
>
> Lynn
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Lynn McGuire

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Oct 26, 2012, 5:08:42 PM10/26/12
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But the transition to human labor on farms
would be horrendous. It would takes years
and we do not have "years" of food stored in
this country.

My impression is that the militia show up
and take whatever they can find. Organizing
large farms is a lot of work.

Lynn

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

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Oct 29, 2012, 11:39:17 PM10/29/12
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In article <k6eu57$2ac$1...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:

> >> Without powered machinery for food production, people in the past needed
> >> to spend 80% of their time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays. The
> >> transition back to manual food production will be horrendous.
> >
> > You'd have a large population of "useless" workers, with nothing to do
> > after their tweeters died, that the militia could put on farms and say
> > "work or die"
> >
> > The Amish don't say that, but they manage quite well without most of the
> > powered machinery consider necessary
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Plus the militia shows up every so often and takes most of their food.
> >>
> >> Lynn
>
> But the transition to human labor on farms would be horrendous. It would
> takes years and we do not have "years" of food stored in this country.
>
> My impression is that the militia show up and take whatever they can find.
> Organizing large farms is a lot of work.
>
> Lynn

The militia goes for the important stuff: food, medicine, guns and ammo. Then
the militia says "we can feed you but only if you work on the farms and other
important stuff...don't want to work either leave or we will hunt you down and
kill you

it won't be quick or painless, but it would be aided by the fact that a large
percentage of the population wouldn't have the skill necessary to survive on
their own

David Johnston

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Nov 13, 2012, 2:34:07 PM11/13/12
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On 10/24/2012 3:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article <k6970u$i0p$1...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
>> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
>> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
>> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
>
> what proof that there is famine?

Famine isn't exactly the word. The food distribution networks were
crashed, and farmers lost access to fertilizers and farm equipment.
Mass starvation should have resulted. (And in fact was necessary for
the nation to collapse.)

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

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Nov 14, 2012, 8:46:51 PM11/14/12
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In article <k7u7bg$9jb$1...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
wrote:
it's just a nit, but diesel engines don't necessarily depend in any way on
electricity, steam engines neither. We've seen a steam train, making a diesel
run on vegetable oil isn't difficult, so transportation didn't necessarily have
to be that disrupted. As to fertilizers, that would probably be a problem but
there is still manure from cows, pigs and chickens so a smallish farm could work

Lynn McGuire

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Nov 15, 2012, 2:11:54 PM11/15/12
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How are you going to get that diesel engine
started without glow plugs and an electric
starter? Air starters for diesels went out
of fashion back in the 1940s.

Lynn

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

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Nov 16, 2012, 1:25:30 AM11/16/12
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In article <k83epu$al9$2...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:


> >>>
> >>> what proof that there is famine?
> >>
> >> Famine isn't exactly the word. The food distribution networks were
> >> crashed, and farmers lost access to fertilizers and farm equipment.
> >> Mass starvation should have resulted. (And in fact was necessary for
> >> the nation to collapse.)
> >
> > it's just a nit, but diesel engines don't necessarily depend in any way on
> > electricity, steam engines neither. We've seen a steam train, making a
> > diesel
> > run on vegetable oil isn't difficult, so transportation didn't necessarily
> > have
> > to be that disrupted. As to fertilizers, that would probably be a problem
> > but
> > there is still manure from cows, pigs and chickens so a smallish farm could
> > work
>
> How are you going to get that diesel engine
> started without glow plugs and an electric
> starter? Air starters for diesels went out
> of fashion back in the 1940s.
>
> Lynn

I've seen them on dump trucks as recently as the 80's. I suppose in a pinch, as
impractical as it would be, having a small steam engine available as a pony
engine would work (or just as an external starter motor

I wonder if the first ones actually had glow plugs?
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