Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv
From: Jim G. <jimgy...@geemail.com.invalid>
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:02:10 -0500
Local: Wed, Aug 1 2012 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: Syfy's "Warehouse 13," "Alphas" season premiere ratings
shawn sent the following on Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:14:46 -0400:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:35:47 -0500, Jim G.Yeah, but I guess it's also true that they sorta screwed *themselves*
> <jimgy...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >Rob Jensen sent the following on Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:21:16 -0500:
> >> >Rob Jensen sent the following on Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:24:38 -0500:
> >> >> >In any case, even at the correct count of 1.13M, my point stands with
> >> >> Keep in mind that no basic cable channel (or advertiser) gives a shit
> >> >When you start out with 1.13M *total* viewers, aren't you already in
> >> Not these days. Keep in mind, too, that SyFy owns Warehouse 13 (which
> >EUREKA wasn't owned by Syfy?
> >> Shows that the given channel
> >> I know that because Eureka *was* cancelled due to its enormous (for
> >I keep hearing that, but it's not as if Syfy has ever shared payroll
> I certainly don't have any inside information but it is possible that
over even before Syfy got in on the act. IIRC, Salli Whatshername got
pregnant in real life, and essentially the entire cast and crew offered
to delay some things until after she had the baby. (At least I think
that it was entirely voluntary on the part of everyone.) Then, after and
on *top* of that, Syfy started to split up "seasons" into two parts for
some asinine reason. It's amazing that the show retained *any* viewer
interest after all of that.
> >> despite its being SyFy's highest-rated show makesHe didn't bother me as much since he was a good foil as a character and
> >> it seem like budget is the *only* thing that the channel looks at,
> >> but, c'mon, Eureka also had a relatively large cast of both leads and
> >> recurrings (keep in mind, too, that both Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day
> >> were regulars -- despite however they were credited -- in seasons 4,
> >> 4.5 and 5).
> >Yeah, I mentioned soon after the start of the final season that the
> Stunt casting isn't a bad thing if the casting is good. I didn't have
a relatively good actor--although his limited shtick and range were
becoming evident as he spreads himself around a bit on different
projects, including EUREKA (unless all of those projects have wanted the
Exact Same Character).
> >> Even if we were to speculate for the sake of argument that W13 andLooking at things again, I'm not so sure that the cast *did* increase
> >> Eureka have the same VFX budget this year (and IMO, W13 is still
> >> cheaper in that department because the effects of the various
> >> artifacts are largely based on altering characters' behavior than
> >> manifesting as a VFX), the overhead for the talent on Eureka was quite
> >> large.
> >Then write out the actors who insist on trying to break the budget when
> I don't think he means that someone was requesting a huge bump in
all that much. Yes, they added Wheaton and Day, but they also dropped
Zoe and all but dropped Vincent, and they ditched Beverly for quite a
while, and so on...
At the same time, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that everyone was
> >In short, there is no need to kill the entire show--and certainly noI'll have to compare "regular" cast credits from the pilot to "regulars"
> >need to *expand* the cast--if payroll is becoming a concern.
> Very true. Smart writing can avoid a huge regular cast.
in the final season and see if the number jumped significantly. I
suspect that a lot of 'em were "also starring" or less throughout the
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