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David
May 11, 2012, 3:43:54 PM5/11/12
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HBO is pretty sure the millions of people pirating Game Of Thrones is
just a temporary thing
By Sean O'Neal
The link between Game Of Thrones and the Internet is not limited
merely to contentious comment board discussions, Mr. Skin screencaps,
and videos in which Joffrey gets slapped to rock songs. Not
surprisingly, it turns out a lot of people are illegally downloading
it, too—more people, in fact, than have downloaded any other TV series
this year. Forbes has the numbers behind the obvious, noting that the
show's second-season episodes have been downloaded more than 25
million times since their April 1 debut, with the April 30 outing
setting a new piracy peak for the series at over 2.5 million downloads
in a single day, and easily putting it on track to be 2012's most
pirated show.
Of course, the reason for all the torrenting is also obvious: As
illustrated in this cartoon at The Oatmeal, HBO makes it all but
impossible to watch the show without a cable subscription, keeping it
off streaming services like Hulu and Netflix, refusing to sell current
episodes on iTunes, and only making it available online through HBO
Go—a site that requires an HBO subscription to access. In short,
anyone who's embraced a "cord-cutting," cable-free existence has no
legal recourse, so they're resorting to The Pirate Bay and the like.
And naturally, one might see this as yet more evidence that media
companies should consider addressing piracy by figuring out how to
provide newer, more streamlined means of access to their content, such
as maybe providing HBO Go as a standalone Internet service.
But in this case, one does not work for HBO; instead, people like
co-president Eric Kessler do, and he believes that the numbers who are
getting rid of cable are "minimal" and representative of temporary
"macroeconomic" conditions that will go away pretty soon, rather than
being the first sign of an inevitable growing mass realization that it
doesn't make sense to keep paying for expensive, filler-laden cable
packages when there are increasingly better options for getting the
precise content that they want, when they want it, for less money.
Ironically for a show so concerned with "winter is coming" doomsaying
and three-steps-ahead political maneuvering, the network it airs on
remains blithely ignorant.
Though, as Forbes' Eric Kain points out in this follow-up piece, it
may just be that HBO is reluctant to deal with the mess and cost of
creating a standalone HBO Go separate from its contracts with cable
companies. But until it's willing to take that risk and invest in the
inevitable future, we're pretty sure that, despite what Kessler
thinks, it's not the economy, stupid.
HBO is pretty sure the millions of people pirating Game Of Thrones is
just a temporary thing
By Sean O'Neal
The link between Game Of Thrones and the Internet is not limited
merely to contentious comment board discussions, Mr. Skin screencaps,
and videos in which Joffrey gets slapped to rock songs. Not
surprisingly, it turns out a lot of people are illegally downloading
it, too—more people, in fact, than have downloaded any other TV series
this year. Forbes has the numbers behind the obvious, noting that the
show's second-season episodes have been downloaded more than 25
million times since their April 1 debut, with the April 30 outing
setting a new piracy peak for the series at over 2.5 million downloads
in a single day, and easily putting it on track to be 2012's most
pirated show.
Of course, the reason for all the torrenting is also obvious: As
illustrated in this cartoon at The Oatmeal, HBO makes it all but
impossible to watch the show without a cable subscription, keeping it
off streaming services like Hulu and Netflix, refusing to sell current
episodes on iTunes, and only making it available online through HBO
Go—a site that requires an HBO subscription to access. In short,
anyone who's embraced a "cord-cutting," cable-free existence has no
legal recourse, so they're resorting to The Pirate Bay and the like.
And naturally, one might see this as yet more evidence that media
companies should consider addressing piracy by figuring out how to
provide newer, more streamlined means of access to their content, such
as maybe providing HBO Go as a standalone Internet service.
But in this case, one does not work for HBO; instead, people like
co-president Eric Kessler do, and he believes that the numbers who are
getting rid of cable are "minimal" and representative of temporary
"macroeconomic" conditions that will go away pretty soon, rather than
being the first sign of an inevitable growing mass realization that it
doesn't make sense to keep paying for expensive, filler-laden cable
packages when there are increasingly better options for getting the
precise content that they want, when they want it, for less money.
Ironically for a show so concerned with "winter is coming" doomsaying
and three-steps-ahead political maneuvering, the network it airs on
remains blithely ignorant.
Though, as Forbes' Eric Kain points out in this follow-up piece, it
may just be that HBO is reluctant to deal with the mess and cost of
creating a standalone HBO Go separate from its contracts with cable
companies. But until it's willing to take that risk and invest in the
inevitable future, we're pretty sure that, despite what Kessler
thinks, it's not the economy, stupid.
Your Name
May 11, 2012, 5:42:13 PM5/11/12
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In article <prqqq7lqgu3mg6u8u...@4ax.com>, David
downloading the porn infested TV show made for 13-year old perverts. :-\
<diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
http://www.avclub.com/articles/hbo-is-pretty-sure-the-millions-of-people-pirating,73930/
>
> HBO is pretty sure the millions of people pirating Game Of Thrones is
> just a temporary thing
> By Sean O'Neal
>
> The link between Game Of Thrones and the Internet is not limited
> merely to contentious comment board discussions, Mr. Skin screencaps,
> and videos in which Joffrey gets slapped to rock songs. Not
> surprisingly, it turns out a lot of people are illegally downloading
> it, too—more people, in fact, than have downloaded any other TV series
> this year.
Gee, what a non-surprise. The 13-year old pervert infested Internet is
>
>
http://www.avclub.com/articles/hbo-is-pretty-sure-the-millions-of-people-pirating,73930/
>
> HBO is pretty sure the millions of people pirating Game Of Thrones is
> just a temporary thing
> By Sean O'Neal
>
> The link between Game Of Thrones and the Internet is not limited
> merely to contentious comment board discussions, Mr. Skin screencaps,
> and videos in which Joffrey gets slapped to rock songs. Not
> surprisingly, it turns out a lot of people are illegally downloading
> it, too—more people, in fact, than have downloaded any other TV series
> this year.
downloading the porn infested TV show made for 13-year old perverts. :-\
David Barnett
May 11, 2012, 8:28:13 PM5/11/12
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In article <prqqq7lqgu3mg6u8u...@4ax.com>,
diml...@yahoo.com says...
Our Australian cable Channel is airing it with CC, and I
did watch the first 3 episodes with great difficulty.
However, the 4th episode "Garden of Bones", though it was
supposed to have CC, didn't have CC. So this is my excuse
for not watching it any more, even the my recorded 5th
episode does have CC. My hearing is a bit impaired but I
have watched shows (without CC) exhibiting real good
diction.
If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
fantastic show, I will reconsider.
--
David Barnett
diml...@yahoo.com says...
>
> http://www.avclub.com/articles/hbo-is-pretty-sure-the-millions-of-people-pirating,73930/
>
> HBO is pretty sure the millions of people pirating Game Of Thrones is
> just a temporary thing
Well, I'm not pirating it.
> http://www.avclub.com/articles/hbo-is-pretty-sure-the-millions-of-people-pirating,73930/
>
> HBO is pretty sure the millions of people pirating Game Of Thrones is
> just a temporary thing
Our Australian cable Channel is airing it with CC, and I
did watch the first 3 episodes with great difficulty.
However, the 4th episode "Garden of Bones", though it was
supposed to have CC, didn't have CC. So this is my excuse
for not watching it any more, even the my recorded 5th
episode does have CC. My hearing is a bit impaired but I
have watched shows (without CC) exhibiting real good
diction.
If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
fantastic show, I will reconsider.
--
David Barnett
Patty Winter
May 11, 2012, 9:01:36 PM5/11/12
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In article <MPG.2a1859a78...@news.bigpond.com>,
David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>However, the 4th episode "Garden of Bones", though it was
>supposed to have CC, didn't have CC. So this is my excuse
>for not watching it any more, even the my recorded 5th
>episode does have CC. My hearing is a bit impaired but I
>have watched shows (without CC) exhibiting real good
>diction.
>
>If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
>fantastic show, I will reconsider.
You're missing out on a fantastic show. :-)
>
>However, the 4th episode "Garden of Bones", though it was
>supposed to have CC, didn't have CC. So this is my excuse
>for not watching it any more, even the my recorded 5th
>episode does have CC. My hearing is a bit impaired but I
>have watched shows (without CC) exhibiting real good
>diction.
>
>If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
>fantastic show, I will reconsider.
But if you're four episodes into the second season, you
should already know whether it's worth it to you to keep
going. If so, and you don't want to buy a hearing aid
just for this (quite understandable), maybe you can view
the DVDs of season 2 when they're released.
Patty
David Barnett
May 11, 2012, 9:10:15 PM5/11/12
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In article <YourName-1205120942130001@203-118-187-
179.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your...@YourISP.com says...
porn of the show does not offend me.
OTOH I do not like the sadism, violence, & sexism of the
show. However. more importantly the sheer boredom of it
has induced me to stop watching it.
--
David Barnett
179.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your...@YourISP.com says...
>
> In article <prqqq7lqgu3mg6u8u...@4ax.com>, David
> <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> http://www.avclub.com/articles/hbo-is-pretty-sure-the-millions-of-people-pirating,73930/
> >
> > HBO is pretty sure the millions of people pirating Game Of Thrones is
> > just a temporary thing
> > By Sean O'Neal
> >
> > The link between Game Of Thrones and the Internet is not limited
> > merely to contentious comment board discussions, Mr. Skin screencaps,
> > and videos in which Joffrey gets slapped to rock songs. Not
> > surprisingly, it turns out a lot of people are illegally downloading
> > it, too?more people, in fact, than have downloaded any other TV series
> In article <prqqq7lqgu3mg6u8u...@4ax.com>, David
> <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> http://www.avclub.com/articles/hbo-is-pretty-sure-the-millions-of-people-pirating,73930/
> >
> > HBO is pretty sure the millions of people pirating Game Of Thrones is
> > just a temporary thing
> > By Sean O'Neal
> >
> > The link between Game Of Thrones and the Internet is not limited
> > merely to contentious comment board discussions, Mr. Skin screencaps,
> > and videos in which Joffrey gets slapped to rock songs. Not
> > surprisingly, it turns out a lot of people are illegally downloading
> > this year.
>
> Gee, what a non-surprise. The 13-year old pervert infested Internet is
> downloading the porn infested TV show made for 13-year old perverts. :-\
I am 82 years old with much reduced libido, but the soft
>
> Gee, what a non-surprise. The 13-year old pervert infested Internet is
> downloading the porn infested TV show made for 13-year old perverts. :-\
porn of the show does not offend me.
OTOH I do not like the sadism, violence, & sexism of the
show. However. more importantly the sheer boredom of it
has induced me to stop watching it.
--
David Barnett
David
May 11, 2012, 9:17:33 PM5/11/12
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On Sat, 12 May 2012 10:28:13 +1000, David Barnett
<dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
>fantastic show, I will reconsider.
I greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
<dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
>fantastic show, I will reconsider.
problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
every season. By the time I understood who everyone was, their
relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
be a great ride.
EGK
May 11, 2012, 9:38:18 PM5/11/12
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David Barnett
May 11, 2012, 9:49:03 PM5/11/12
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In article <4fadb670$0$16124$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
pat...@wintertime.com says...
> But if you're four episodes into the second season, you
> should already know whether it's worth it to you to keep
> going. If so, and you don't want to buy a hearing aid
> just for this (quite understandable), maybe you can view
> the DVDs of season 2 when they're released.
I am only 3 episodes into it; yet to watch the 4th & 5th
episodes recorded.
Perhaps I should recant on my saying in a previous post
that it was too sadistic, violent, & sexist!
--
David Barnett
pat...@wintertime.com says...
>
> In article <MPG.2a1859a78...@news.bigpond.com>,
> David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >However, the 4th episode "Garden of Bones", though it was
> >supposed to have CC, didn't have CC. So this is my excuse
> >for not watching it any more, even the my recorded 5th
> >episode does have CC. My hearing is a bit impaired but I
> >have watched shows (without CC) exhibiting real good
> >diction.
> >
> >If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
> >fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
>
> You're missing out on a fantastic show. :-)
I value your opinion.
> In article <MPG.2a1859a78...@news.bigpond.com>,
> David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >However, the 4th episode "Garden of Bones", though it was
> >supposed to have CC, didn't have CC. So this is my excuse
> >for not watching it any more, even the my recorded 5th
> >episode does have CC. My hearing is a bit impaired but I
> >have watched shows (without CC) exhibiting real good
> >diction.
> >
> >If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
> >fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
>
> You're missing out on a fantastic show. :-)
> But if you're four episodes into the second season, you
> should already know whether it's worth it to you to keep
> going. If so, and you don't want to buy a hearing aid
> just for this (quite understandable), maybe you can view
> the DVDs of season 2 when they're released.
episodes recorded.
Perhaps I should recant on my saying in a previous post
that it was too sadistic, violent, & sexist!
--
David Barnett
David Barnett
May 11, 2012, 9:59:24 PM5/11/12
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In article <3nfrq79mig6edvv4g...@4ax.com>,
m...@privacy.net says...
I try to legally record most of the shows I watch but I
have almost exclusively used that web site for shows I
have obtained by other means. One has to match say 2HD or
LOl with them, otherwise the subtitles are out of sync,
which I suppose would not matter if one was completely
deaf.
--
David Barnett
m...@privacy.net says...
have almost exclusively used that web site for shows I
have obtained by other means. One has to match say 2HD or
LOl with them, otherwise the subtitles are out of sync,
which I suppose would not matter if one was completely
deaf.
--
David Barnett
anim8rFSK
May 11, 2012, 10:39:09 PM5/11/12
to
Connor being a big factor in that. If the eggs hatched and there be
dragons I might have perked up some.
--
So we're all agreed that Clod is as stupid as Charlie Sheen?
Adam H. Kerman
May 11, 2012, 10:41:54 PM5/11/12
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anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>I quit after the second or third ep 'cause I just didn't care. Sarah
>Connor being a big factor in that. If the eggs hatched and there be
>dragons I might have perked up some.
The dragons ate her a couple of episodes later.
>I quit after the second or third ep 'cause I just didn't care. Sarah
>Connor being a big factor in that. If the eggs hatched and there be
>dragons I might have perked up some.
David
May 11, 2012, 10:45:20 PM5/11/12
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EGK
May 11, 2012, 11:06:01 PM5/11/12
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On Sat, 12 May 2012 11:59:24 +1000, David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au>
wrote:
I'm deaf but believe me, it still matters. I actually download a lot of
the same shows I pay for on cable. The people who subtitle on that site
often do a much better job than the closed captioners. Captioning has been
much worse since everything went digital. For instance I was watching The
Mentalist last week on my cable's broadcast and the captions were all out of
sync by 3 or more seconds. I never saw sync problems with analog TV. I
also pay for High def and can't watch any regular programming on it because
the captions are often so bad. I only use HD for sportss.
wrote:
the same shows I pay for on cable. The people who subtitle on that site
often do a much better job than the closed captioners. Captioning has been
much worse since everything went digital. For instance I was watching The
Mentalist last week on my cable's broadcast and the captions were all out of
sync by 3 or more seconds. I never saw sync problems with analog TV. I
also pay for High def and can't watch any regular programming on it because
the captions are often so bad. I only use HD for sportss.
Patty Winter
May 12, 2012, 12:30:41 AM5/12/12
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In article <MPG.2a186c981...@news.bigpond.com>,
David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>In article <4fadb670$0$16124$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>pat...@wintertime.com says...
>>
>In article <4fadb670$0$16124$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>pat...@wintertime.com says...
>>
>> But if you're four episodes into the second season, you
>> should already know whether it's worth it to you to keep
>> going. If so, and you don't want to buy a hearing aid
>> just for this (quite understandable), maybe you can view
>> the DVDs of season 2 when they're released.
>
>I am only 3 episodes into it; yet to watch the 4th & 5th
>episodes recorded.
But you mean three episodes into the second season, right?
>> should already know whether it's worth it to you to keep
>> going. If so, and you don't want to buy a hearing aid
>> just for this (quite understandable), maybe you can view
>> the DVDs of season 2 when they're released.
>
>I am only 3 episodes into it; yet to watch the 4th & 5th
>episodes recorded.
You mentioned "Garden of Bones," which just premiered a
week or so ago. So you must have liked the first season!
>Perhaps I should recant on my saying in a previous post
>that it was too sadistic, violent, & sexist!
are more than deserved!
Patty
anim8rFSK
May 12, 2012, 7:09:40 AM5/12/12
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David Barnett
May 12, 2012, 2:49:06 PM5/12/12
to
In article <4fade771$0$16176$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
pat...@wintertime.com says...
I like Sean Bean, and he is in Missing which I am now
watching.
I feel the only inducement for me to watch the second
season is Peter Dinklage.
> >Perhaps I should recant on my saying in a previous post
> >that it was too sadistic, violent, & sexist!
>
> I wouldn't agree with "sexist," but the first two adjectives
> are more than deserved!
> Patty
I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
beings, only useful for sex and babies.
However, there is one female character in this show who is
a leader & so is an exception to the sexism.
I apologize for not knowing her name.
--
David Barnett
pat...@wintertime.com says...
>
> In article <MPG.2a186c981...@news.bigpond.com>,
> David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >In article <4fadb670$0$16124$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> >pat...@wintertime.com says...
> >>
> >> But if you're four episodes into the second season, you
> >> should already know whether it's worth it to you to keep
> >> going. If so, and you don't want to buy a hearing aid
> >> just for this (quite understandable), maybe you can view
> >> the DVDs of season 2 when they're released.
> >
> >I am only 3 episodes into it; yet to watch the 4th & 5th
> >episodes recorded.
>
> But you mean three episodes into the second season, right?
> You mentioned "Garden of Bones," which just premiered a
> week or so ago. So you must have liked the first season!
I did like the first season, except for the ending.
> In article <MPG.2a186c981...@news.bigpond.com>,
> David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >In article <4fadb670$0$16124$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> >pat...@wintertime.com says...
> >>
> >> But if you're four episodes into the second season, you
> >> should already know whether it's worth it to you to keep
> >> going. If so, and you don't want to buy a hearing aid
> >> just for this (quite understandable), maybe you can view
> >> the DVDs of season 2 when they're released.
> >
> >I am only 3 episodes into it; yet to watch the 4th & 5th
> >episodes recorded.
>
> But you mean three episodes into the second season, right?
> You mentioned "Garden of Bones," which just premiered a
> week or so ago. So you must have liked the first season!
I like Sean Bean, and he is in Missing which I am now
watching.
I feel the only inducement for me to watch the second
season is Peter Dinklage.
> >Perhaps I should recant on my saying in a previous post
> >that it was too sadistic, violent, & sexist!
>
> I wouldn't agree with "sexist," but the first two adjectives
> are more than deserved!
> Patty
It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
beings, only useful for sex and babies.
However, there is one female character in this show who is
a leader & so is an exception to the sexism.
I apologize for not knowing her name.
--
David Barnett
Arthur Lipscomb
May 12, 2012, 4:21:31 PM5/12/12
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On 5/12/2012 11:49 AM, David Barnett wrote:
> In article<4fade771$0$16176$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> pat...@wintertime.com says...
>>
>> In article<MPG.2a186c981...@news.bigpond.com>,
>> David Barnett<dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>> In article<4fadb670$0$16124$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>>> pat...@wintertime.com says...
>>>>
>>>> But if you're four episodes into the second season, you
>>>> should already know whether it's worth it to you to keep
>>>> going. If so, and you don't want to buy a hearing aid
>>>> just for this (quite understandable), maybe you can view
>>>> the DVDs of season 2 when they're released.
>>>
>>> I am only 3 episodes into it; yet to watch the 4th& 5th
> In article<4fade771$0$16176$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> pat...@wintertime.com says...
>>
>> In article<MPG.2a186c981...@news.bigpond.com>,
>> David Barnett<dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>> In article<4fadb670$0$16124$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>>> pat...@wintertime.com says...
>>>>
>>>> But if you're four episodes into the second season, you
>>>> should already know whether it's worth it to you to keep
>>>> going. If so, and you don't want to buy a hearing aid
>>>> just for this (quite understandable), maybe you can view
>>>> the DVDs of season 2 when they're released.
>>>
>>> episodes recorded.
>>
>> But you mean three episodes into the second season, right?
>> You mentioned "Garden of Bones," which just premiered a
>> week or so ago. So you must have liked the first season!
>
> I did like the first season, except for the ending.
> I like Sean Bean, and he is in Missing which I am now
> watching.
> I feel the only inducement for me to watch the second
> season is Peter Dinklage.
>
>>> Perhaps I should recant on my saying in a previous post
>>> that it was too sadistic, violent,& sexist!
>>
>> But you mean three episodes into the second season, right?
>> You mentioned "Garden of Bones," which just premiered a
>> week or so ago. So you must have liked the first season!
>
> I did like the first season, except for the ending.
> I like Sean Bean, and he is in Missing which I am now
> watching.
> I feel the only inducement for me to watch the second
> season is Peter Dinklage.
>
>>> Perhaps I should recant on my saying in a previous post
>>
>> I wouldn't agree with "sexist," but the first two adjectives
>> are more than deserved!
>
>> Patty
>
> I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
> It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> beings, only useful for sex and babies.
> However, there is one female character in this show who is
> a leader& so is an exception to the sexism.
>> I wouldn't agree with "sexist," but the first two adjectives
>> are more than deserved!
>
>> Patty
>
> I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
> It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> beings, only useful for sex and babies.
> However, there is one female character in this show who is
> I apologize for not knowing her name.
>
Almost all the female characters on the show play major leadership roles
>
or otherwise influence events.
It was Stark's wife Catelyn who kidnapped Tyrion and now she's
negotiating alliances for her son. Joffrey's mother, Queen Cersei
Lannister put him on the throne and I think is regent (has he been
officially crowned yet?). The surviving heir to the throne is having
his strings pulled by a woman. His brother was under the protection of
a female knight who has now pledged her loyalty to Catelyn Stark. The
youngest Stark girl, Arya is secretly within the enemies inner circle.
I'm certain *something* will come of that. And of course there's the
leader, AKA khaleesi, who with her dragons promises to retake the throne
for herself.
The only minor female characters would be the wild woman who uses her
sex appeal to her advantage and is a killer in her own right. There's
Tyrion's secret girlfriend who hasn't done much but is so far is the
only character who can manipulate Tyrion. And finally the only female
character with zero leadership or usefulness is the eldest Stark
daughter but she can't do much seeing as how she's Joffrey's hostage.
David Barnett
May 12, 2012, 6:12:29 PM5/12/12
to
In article <jomgoa$2pj$1...@dont-email.me>,
art...@alum.calberkeley.org says...
I did feel it was sexist, but you have certainly put me
straight there!
I'm impressed, & I have kept a copy of your rebuttal.
--
David Barnett
art...@alum.calberkeley.org says...
>
> On 5/12/2012 11:49 AM, David Barnett wrote:
> > In article<4fade771$0$16176$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> > pat...@wintertime.com says...
<snip>
> On 5/12/2012 11:49 AM, David Barnett wrote:
> > In article<4fade771$0$16176$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> > pat...@wintertime.com says...
straight there!
I'm impressed, & I have kept a copy of your rebuttal.
--
David Barnett
Edward McArdle
May 12, 2012, 10:25:37 PM5/12/12
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In article <MPG.2a195b96b...@news.bigpond.com>, David Barnett
I had the impression that this *was* mediaeval times.
--
Edward McArdle
--
Edward McArdle
David Johnston
May 12, 2012, 10:31:08 PM5/12/12
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On 5/12/2012 12:49 PM, David Barnett wrote:
>
> I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
> It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> beings, only useful for sex and babies.
It's the friggin' War of the Roses with a paper-thin fantasy laminate.
>
> I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
> It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> beings, only useful for sex and babies.
It IS medieval times.
Duggy
May 12, 2012, 10:40:53 PM5/12/12
to
On May 12, 7:42 am, YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> Gee, what a non-surprise. The 13-year old pervert infested Internet is
> downloading the porn infested TV show made for 13-year old perverts. :-\
If you were older than 13 you'd know that there is actual porn out
> Gee, what a non-surprise. The 13-year old pervert infested Internet is
> downloading the porn infested TV show made for 13-year old perverts. :-\
there just as easy to download.
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Duggy
May 12, 2012, 10:43:01 PM5/12/12
to
On May 12, 10:28 am, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
> fantastic show, I will reconsider.
You're missing a fantastic show.
> If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
> fantastic show, I will reconsider.
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Duggy
May 12, 2012, 10:41:51 PM5/12/12
to
On May 12, 11:10 am, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> OTOH I do not like the sadism, violence, & sexism of the
> show. However. more importantly the sheer boredom of it
> has induced me to stop watching it.
Another show too subtle and complex for your aging mind?
> OTOH I do not like the sadism, violence, & sexism of the
> show. However. more importantly the sheer boredom of it
> has induced me to stop watching it.
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Duggy
May 12, 2012, 10:47:25 PM5/12/12
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On May 13, 4:49 am, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
> It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> beings, only useful for sex and babies.
True of society, not true of many of the characters.
> I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
> It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> beings, only useful for sex and babies.
Arya, Danny, Cersi, Brienne, Catelyn are all strong female characters
(or grow into them). Obviously they all have weaknesses, but people
do. The male characters do, too.
> However, there is one female character in this show who is
> a leader & so is an exception to the sexism.
> I apologize for not knowing her name.
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Duggy
May 12, 2012, 10:50:11 PM5/12/12
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On May 12, 11:17 am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
> every season. By the time I understood who everyone was, their
> relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
> season was half over.
Making it a show you can watch over and over.
> I greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
> every season. By the time I understood who everyone was, their
> relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
> season was half over.
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Duggy
May 12, 2012, 10:56:00 PM5/12/12
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On May 13, 6:21 am, Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
wrote:
> > pat...@wintertime.com says...
>
> >> In article<MPG.2a186c981f1bd57e989...@news.bigpond.com>,
> >> David Barnett<dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>> In article<4fadb670$0$16124$742ec...@news.sonic.net>,
Agreed on all counts (except Sansa, I don't think it's being a hostage
holding her back, I think she's weak. Has potential to be strong, but
is weak.)
We both forgot:
- Theon's sister, (Asha in the books, but a new name I can't remember
in the series) a ship's captain and preferred heir of Balon... from
islands even more sexist than the mainland.
- Marjorie Tyrell who seems to have gained her grandmother's role of
manipulative power broker that appears in the books.
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wrote:
> On 5/12/2012 11:49 AM, David Barnett wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article<4fade771$0$16176$742ec...@news.sonic.net>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > pat...@wintertime.com says...
>
> >> In article<MPG.2a186c981f1bd57e989...@news.bigpond.com>,
> >> David Barnett<dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>> In article<4fadb670$0$16124$742ec...@news.sonic.net>,
holding her back, I think she's weak. Has potential to be strong, but
is weak.)
We both forgot:
- Theon's sister, (Asha in the books, but a new name I can't remember
in the series) a ship's captain and preferred heir of Balon... from
islands even more sexist than the mainland.
- Marjorie Tyrell who seems to have gained her grandmother's role of
manipulative power broker that appears in the books.
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Duggy
May 12, 2012, 10:56:27 PM5/12/12
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On May 13, 12:25 pm, mcar...@ozemail.com.au (Edward McArdle) wrote:
> In article <MPG.2a195b96bc5fda59989...@news.bigpond.com>, David Barnett
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> In article <MPG.2a195b96bc5fda59989...@news.bigpond.com>, David Barnett
> >I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
> >It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> >beings, only useful for sex and babies.
> >However, there is one female character in this show who is
> >a leader & so is an exception to the sexism.
> >I apologize for not knowing her name.
> I had the impression that this *was* mediaeval times.
Media eval or media evil?
> >It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> >beings, only useful for sex and babies.
> >However, there is one female character in this show who is
> >a leader & so is an exception to the sexism.
> >I apologize for not knowing her name.
> I had the impression that this *was* mediaeval times.
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Duggy
May 12, 2012, 10:58:33 PM5/12/12
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On May 12, 12:39 pm, anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
> I quit after the second or third ep 'cause I just didn't care. Sarah
> Connor being a big factor in that. If the eggs hatched and there be
> dragons I might have perked up some.
Guess what?
> I quit after the second or third ep 'cause I just didn't care. Sarah
> Connor being a big factor in that. If the eggs hatched and there be
> dragons I might have perked up some.
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/23100000/Daenerys-Targaryen-game-of-thrones-23107710-1600-1200.jpg
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Your Name
May 12, 2012, 11:56:07 PM5/12/12
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In article <mcardle-1305...@10.1.1.3>, mca...@ozemail.com.au
the fantasy show I think it's meant to be an entirely different universe
not even taking place on Earth at all.
> >I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
> >It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> >beings, only useful for sex and babies.
> >However, there is one female character in this show who is
> >a leader & so is an exception to the sexism.
> >I apologize for not knowing her name.
>
> I had the impression that this *was* mediaeval times.
Actually, it only LOOKS like Earth's medieval times. In the "reality" of
> >It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> >beings, only useful for sex and babies.
> >However, there is one female character in this show who is
> >a leader & so is an exception to the sexism.
> >I apologize for not knowing her name.
>
> I had the impression that this *was* mediaeval times.
the fantasy show I think it's meant to be an entirely different universe
not even taking place on Earth at all.
Jim G.
May 13, 2012, 1:24:52 PM5/13/12
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Patty Winter sent the following on 5/11/2012 8:01 PM:
> In article<MPG.2a1859a78...@news.bigpond.com>,
> But if you're four episodes into the second season, you
> should already know whether it's worth it to you to keep
> going.
That, too. Different strokes, and all that.
--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
If you are reading this, it means that I don't have anything better to
offer here at the moment.
> In article<MPG.2a1859a78...@news.bigpond.com>,
> David Barnett<dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> However, the 4th episode "Garden of Bones", though it was
>> supposed to have CC, didn't have CC. So this is my excuse
>> for not watching it any more, even the my recorded 5th
>> episode does have CC. My hearing is a bit impaired but I
>> have watched shows (without CC) exhibiting real good
>> diction.
>>
>>
>> However, the 4th episode "Garden of Bones", though it was
>> supposed to have CC, didn't have CC. So this is my excuse
>> for not watching it any more, even the my recorded 5th
>> episode does have CC. My hearing is a bit impaired but I
>> have watched shows (without CC) exhibiting real good
>> diction.
>>
>> If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
>> fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
>> fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
> You're missing out on a fantastic show. :-)
+1
> But if you're four episodes into the second season, you
> should already know whether it's worth it to you to keep
> going.
--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
If you are reading this, it means that I don't have anything better to
offer here at the moment.
Jim G.
May 13, 2012, 1:25:19 PM5/13/12
to
David sent the following on 5/11/2012 8:17 PM:
before the new season started. They could have run it a ton of times to
give newbies a nudge to watch and to ensure that returning viewers had
their memories refreshed.
> By the time I understood who everyone was, their
> relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
> season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
> be a great ride.
The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
"I find it's best if you just ... go with it." -- Lincoln Lee, providing
us with FRINGE's "Every question just leads to more questions" moment
> On Sat, 12 May 2012 10:28:13 +1000, David Barnett
> <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
>> fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
> I greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
> every season.
Yeah, it could have really benefited from a recap show a week or two
> <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
>> fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
> I greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
> every season.
before the new season started. They could have run it a ton of times to
give newbies a nudge to watch and to ensure that returning viewers had
their memories refreshed.
> By the time I understood who everyone was, their
> relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
> season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
> be a great ride.
--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
us with FRINGE's "Every question just leads to more questions" moment
Jim G.
May 13, 2012, 1:26:23 PM5/13/12
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anim8rFSK sent the following on 5/11/2012 9:39 PM:
Spoiler space...
That *does* end up happening at the end of the first season and is a
major plot line in season two, as well.
That *does* end up happening at the end of the first season and is a
major plot line in season two, as well.
anim8rFSK
May 13, 2012, 2:12:54 PM5/13/12
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inf...@mindspring.com
May 13, 2012, 2:21:30 PM5/13/12
to
On Sun, 13 May 2012 12:25:19 -0500, "Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com>
wrote:
>David sent the following on 5/11/2012 8:17 PM:
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 10:28:13 +1000, David Barnett
>> <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
>>> fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>>
>> I greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
>> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
>> every season.
>
>Yeah, it could have really benefited from a recap show a week or two
>before the new season started.
Recap hell. I love the show, but I could use a running banner telling
me at all times who is on screen and what their connection is to the
overall plot.
wrote:
>David sent the following on 5/11/2012 8:17 PM:
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 10:28:13 +1000, David Barnett
>> <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
>>> fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>>
>> I greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
>> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
>> every season.
>
>Yeah, it could have really benefited from a recap show a week or two
>before the new season started.
me at all times who is on screen and what their connection is to the
overall plot.
Arthur Lipscomb
May 13, 2012, 2:34:48 PM5/13/12
to
miss it. :-)
David
May 13, 2012, 4:20:16 PM5/13/12
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>David sent the following on 5/11/2012 8:17 PM:
greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
>> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
>> every season.
>
>Yeah, it could have really benefited from a recap show a week or two
>before the new season started. They could have run it a ton of times to
>give newbies a nudge to watch and to ensure that returning viewers had
>their memories refreshed.
They did tha... ohhhh I see what you did there.
>> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
>> every season.
>
>Yeah, it could have really benefited from a recap show a week or two
>before the new season started. They could have run it a ton of times to
>give newbies a nudge to watch and to ensure that returning viewers had
>their memories refreshed.
> > By the time I understood who everyone was, their
>> relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
>> season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
>> be a great ride.
>
>The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
David Barnett
May 13, 2012, 6:43:06 PM5/13/12
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In article <mcardle-1305...@10.1.1.3>,
mca...@ozemail.com.au says...
It's a different universe or at least a different world,
isn't it?
--
David Barnett
mca...@ozemail.com.au says...
isn't it?
--
David Barnett
David
May 13, 2012, 7:12:15 PM5/13/12
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On Mon, 14 May 2012 08:43:06 +1000, David Barnett
<dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>In article <mcardle-1305...@10.1.1.3>,
>mca...@ozemail.com.au says...
>> I had the impression that this *was* mediaeval times.
>
>It's a different universe or at least a different world,
>isn't it?
If people really want to overthink this, I guess it has to be a
different planet since their seasons are so different.
<dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>In article <mcardle-1305...@10.1.1.3>,
>mca...@ozemail.com.au says...
>> I had the impression that this *was* mediaeval times.
>
>It's a different universe or at least a different world,
>isn't it?
different planet since their seasons are so different.
Duggy
May 13, 2012, 7:15:03 PM5/13/12
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On May 14, 3:25 am, "Jim G." <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote:
> David sent the following on 5/11/2012 8:17 PM:
>
> > On Sat, 12 May 2012 10:28:13 +1000, David Barnett
> > <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> David sent the following on 5/11/2012 8:17 PM:
>
> > On Sat, 12 May 2012 10:28:13 +1000, David Barnett
>
> >> If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
> >> fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
> > I greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
> > problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
> > every season.
>
> Yeah, it could have really benefited from a recap show a week or two
> before the new season started. They could have run it a ton of times to
> give newbies a nudge to watch and to ensure that returning viewers had
> their memories refreshed.
>
> > By the time I understood who everyone was, their
>
> > relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
> > season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
> > be a great ride.
>
> The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
10, just like season 1 had.
> >> If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
> >> fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
> > I greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
> > problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
> > every season.
>
> Yeah, it could have really benefited from a recap show a week or two
> before the new season started. They could have run it a ton of times to
> give newbies a nudge to watch and to ensure that returning viewers had
> their memories refreshed.
>
> > By the time I understood who everyone was, their
>
> > relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
> > season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
> > be a great ride.
>
> The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
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Duggy
May 13, 2012, 7:15:36 PM5/13/12
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On May 14, 4:21 am, info...@mindspring.com wrote:
> Recap hell. I love the show, but I could use a running banner telling
> me at all times who is on screen and what their connection is to the
> overall plot.
It's not that hard.
> Recap hell. I love the show, but I could use a running banner telling
> me at all times who is on screen and what their connection is to the
> overall plot.
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Duggy
May 13, 2012, 7:14:03 PM5/13/12
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On May 14, 9:12 am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If people really want to overthink this, I guess it has to be a
> different planet since their seasons are so different.
Their seasons aren't different. They have the usual 4 season...
> If people really want to overthink this, I guess it has to be a
> different planet since their seasons are so different.
except something beyond the wall creates long winters.
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anim8rFSK
May 13, 2012, 8:20:31 PM5/13/12
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In article <psf0r7da6b0duqs7q...@4ax.com>,
Hard to reconcile the maps any other way:
http://gameofthrones.net/images/Westeros_Maps/Map_Westeros_Political.gif
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-F0yEFwtHgyQ/T3m6wbXhM_I/AAAAAAAAHvY/d_eb3qSADBo
/s1600/Westeros%2Band%2BEssos.jpg
http://gameofthrones.net/images/Westeros_Maps/Map_Westeros_Political.gif
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-F0yEFwtHgyQ/T3m6wbXhM_I/AAAAAAAAHvY/d_eb3qSADBo
/s1600/Westeros%2Band%2BEssos.jpg
anim8rFSK
May 13, 2012, 8:21:06 PM5/13/12
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Kujo
May 13, 2012, 11:22:51 PM5/13/12
to
On Fri, 11 May 2012 15:43:54 -0400, David wrote:
> http://www.avclub.com/articles/hbo-is-pretty-sure-the-millions-of-
people-pirating,73930/
Not sure why, but the 720P rips of GoT leave a lot to be desired. Not
sure if it's the release/rip group, or the broadcast quality.
> http://www.avclub.com/articles/hbo-is-pretty-sure-the-millions-of-
people-pirating,73930/
>
> HBO is pretty sure the millions of people pirating Game Of Thrones is
> just a temporary thing By Sean O'Neal
> HBO is pretty sure the millions of people pirating Game Of Thrones is
Not sure why, but the 720P rips of GoT leave a lot to be desired. Not
sure if it's the release/rip group, or the broadcast quality.
Patty Winter
May 14, 2012, 1:16:36 AM5/14/12
to
In article <jooqq1$pd5$9...@news.albasani.net>,
>> By the time I understood who everyone was, their
>> relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
>> season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
>> be a great ride.
>
>The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
Same as season one: 10 eps.
>> relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
>> season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
>> be a great ride.
>
>The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
Patty
David Johnston
May 14, 2012, 9:04:40 AM5/14/12
to
On 5/13/2012 4:43 PM, David Barnett wrote:
> In article<mcardle-1305...@10.1.1.3>,
> mca...@ozemail.com.au says...
>>
>> In article<MPG.2a195b96b...@news.bigpond.com>, David Barnett
>> <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> In article<4fade771$0$16176$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>>> pat...@wintertime.com says...
>>>>
>>>> In article<MPG.2a186c981...@news.bigpond.com>,
>>>> David Barnett<dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>> In article<4fadb670$0$16124$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>>>>> pat...@wintertime.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But if you're four episodes into the second season, you
>>>>>> should already know whether it's worth it to you to keep
>>>>>> going. If so, and you don't want to buy a hearing aid
>>>>>> just for this (quite understandable), maybe you can view
>>>>>> the DVDs of season 2 when they're released.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am only 3 episodes into it; yet to watch the 4th& 5th
> In article<mcardle-1305...@10.1.1.3>,
> mca...@ozemail.com.au says...
>>
>> In article<MPG.2a195b96b...@news.bigpond.com>, David Barnett
>> <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> In article<4fade771$0$16176$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>>> pat...@wintertime.com says...
>>>>
>>>> In article<MPG.2a186c981...@news.bigpond.com>,
>>>> David Barnett<dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>> In article<4fadb670$0$16124$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>>>>> pat...@wintertime.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But if you're four episodes into the second season, you
>>>>>> should already know whether it's worth it to you to keep
>>>>>> going. If so, and you don't want to buy a hearing aid
>>>>>> just for this (quite understandable), maybe you can view
>>>>>> the DVDs of season 2 when they're released.
>>>>>
>>>>> episodes recorded.
>>>>
>>>> But you mean three episodes into the second season, right?
>>>> You mentioned "Garden of Bones," which just premiered a
>>>> week or so ago. So you must have liked the first season!
>>>
>>> I did like the first season, except for the ending.
>>> I like Sean Bean, and he is in Missing which I am now
>>> watching.
>>> I feel the only inducement for me to watch the second
>>> season is Peter Dinklage.
>>>
>>>>> Perhaps I should recant on my saying in a previous post
>>>>> that it was too sadistic, violent,& sexist!
>>>>
>>>> But you mean three episodes into the second season, right?
>>>> You mentioned "Garden of Bones," which just premiered a
>>>> week or so ago. So you must have liked the first season!
>>>
>>> I did like the first season, except for the ending.
>>> I like Sean Bean, and he is in Missing which I am now
>>> watching.
>>> I feel the only inducement for me to watch the second
>>> season is Peter Dinklage.
>>>
>>>>> Perhaps I should recant on my saying in a previous post
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't agree with "sexist," but the first two adjectives
>>>> are more than deserved!
>>>
>>>> Patty
>>>
>>> I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
>>> It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
>>> beings, only useful for sex and babies.
>>> However, there is one female character in this show who is
>>> a leader& so is an exception to the sexism.
>>>> I wouldn't agree with "sexist," but the first two adjectives
>>>> are more than deserved!
>>>
>>>> Patty
>>>
>>> I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
>>> It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
>>> beings, only useful for sex and babies.
>>> However, there is one female character in this show who is
>>> I apologize for not knowing her name.
>>
>> I had the impression that this *was* mediaeval times.
>
> It's a different universe or at least a different world,
> isn't it?
>
Yes, but it's a medieval different universe.
>>
>> I had the impression that this *was* mediaeval times.
>
> It's a different universe or at least a different world,
> isn't it?
>
Ed Stasiak
May 14, 2012, 9:15:11 AM5/14/12
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> Duggy
mentioned) so it's clearly not Earth but whether this is due to
something beyond the Wall or just a weird orbit of the planet
isn't clear.
>
> They have the usual 4 season... except something beyond
> the wall creates long winters.
ALL the seasons are exceptionally long, (10 years or more is
> They have the usual 4 season... except something beyond
> the wall creates long winters.
mentioned) so it's clearly not Earth but whether this is due to
something beyond the Wall or just a weird orbit of the planet
isn't clear.
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tenworld
May 14, 2012, 12:29:50 PM5/14/12
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On May 12, 4:09 am, anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <jokilh$ds...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> That was just mean. :(
>
that doesnt happen until book 7 (he hasnt finished 6 yet so I am
kidding for all you sensitive people)
> In article <jokilh$ds...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> > anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > >I quit after the second or third ep 'cause I just didn't care. Sarah
> > >Connor being a big factor in that. If the eggs hatched and there be
> > >dragons I might have perked up some.
>
> > The dragons ate her a couple of episodes later.
> > anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > >I quit after the second or third ep 'cause I just didn't care. Sarah
> > >Connor being a big factor in that. If the eggs hatched and there be
> > >dragons I might have perked up some.
>
>
> That was just mean. :(
>
that doesnt happen until book 7 (he hasnt finished 6 yet so I am
kidding for all you sensitive people)
tenworld
May 14, 2012, 12:28:06 PM5/14/12
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On May 11, 6:38 pm, EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >>If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
> >>fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
> >You're missing out on a fantastic show. :-)
> >>If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
> >>fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
>
> You can always download subtitles to go with the shows. http://www.addic7ed.com/- Hide quoted text -
>
you could always read the books in parallel since they track fairly
well so far, and the books, not to mention several intenet sites, have
cast of characters and Houses.
It will be interesting next season since book 3&4 cover the same time
period and focus on different sets of characters.
tenworld
May 14, 2012, 2:43:23 PM5/14/12
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>
> Yes, but it's a medieval different universe.
2. there be dragons (see 1)
3. there is a rough resemblance to americas (westernos) and to Europe
middle east
3a. Scandinavia analog is now a group of islands off Oregon analog
4. summer and winter can last years (obviously a year isnt 4 seasons
but it is ~ 12 months)
5. There are creatures similar to middle evil fairy tales but not
quite the same - see1
So its like middle earth which according to the author morphed into
modern day as the power of the rings faded and the elves left, only
here the magic is growing.
Its more like Katherine Kurtz's world of Deryni. Analogous at many
levels but not the same world.
Jim G.
May 14, 2012, 3:07:31 PM5/14/12
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anim8rFSK sent the following on 5/13/2012 1:12 PM:
More spoiler space (but not quite as much, as the warning has already
been issued)
And now her babies have been kidnapped. (Dragonnapped?)
been issued)
And now her babies have been kidnapped. (Dragonnapped?)
Jim G.
May 14, 2012, 3:08:53 PM5/14/12
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inf...@mindspring.com sent the following on 5/13/2012 1:21 PM:
At the moment, the best that I can hope for is to keep straight who's
battling for which throne/territory.
battling for which throne/territory.
Jim G.
May 14, 2012, 3:09:32 PM5/14/12
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David sent the following on 5/13/2012 3:20 PM:
>>> By the time I understood who everyone was, their
>>> relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
>>> season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
>>> be a great ride.
>>
>> The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
>
> 10, like the first season.
I was thinking 13 for some reason, plus I was thinking that the thread
was talking about episode five. Bummer, but I should have known, given
that TRUE BLOOD is back soon.
> On Sun, 13 May 2012 12:25:19 -0500, "Jim G."<jimg...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> David sent the following on 5/11/2012 8:17 PM:
> greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
>>> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
>>> every season.
>>
>> Yeah, it could have really benefited from a recap show a week or two
>> before the new season started. They could have run it a ton of times to
>> give newbies a nudge to watch and to ensure that returning viewers had
>> their memories refreshed.
>
> They did tha... ohhhh I see what you did there.
Heh. Actually, I didn't. So there really *was* a recap show?
> wrote:
>
>> David sent the following on 5/11/2012 8:17 PM:
> greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
>>> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
>>> every season.
>>
>> Yeah, it could have really benefited from a recap show a week or two
>> before the new season started. They could have run it a ton of times to
>> give newbies a nudge to watch and to ensure that returning viewers had
>> their memories refreshed.
>
> They did tha... ohhhh I see what you did there.
>>> By the time I understood who everyone was, their
>>> relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
>>> season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
>>> be a great ride.
>>
>> The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
>
> 10, like the first season.
was talking about episode five. Bummer, but I should have known, given
that TRUE BLOOD is back soon.
David Barnett
May 14, 2012, 3:45:37 PM5/14/12
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In article <anim8rfsk-E14131.17210613052012
@news.easynews.com>, anim...@cox.net says...
LOL; I don't think they have Pepsi; utensils, yes.
I've just learned the name of the woman I mentioned above
= Khaleesi. Are there any names like tis in our world?
--
David Barnett
@news.easynews.com>, anim...@cox.net says...
I've just learned the name of the woman I mentioned above
= Khaleesi. Are there any names like tis in our world?
--
David Barnett
David Barnett
May 14, 2012, 3:59:48 PM5/14/12
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In article <a1clc8...@mid.individual.net>,
je.s...@hehxduhmp.org says...
In Australia we are then 2 episodes behind you.
I am at present watching my recorded (not downloaded)
episode 5 from our cable channel.
Episode 6, however is to be aired tonight.
--
David Barnett
je.s...@hehxduhmp.org says...
>
> In rec.arts.sf.tv Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
>
> 10. Ep 7 just aired last night.
> In rec.arts.sf.tv Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
>
In Australia we are then 2 episodes behind you.
I am at present watching my recorded (not downloaded)
episode 5 from our cable channel.
Episode 6, however is to be aired tonight.
--
David Barnett
David
May 14, 2012, 4:19:53 PM5/14/12
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On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:09:32 -0500, "Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com>
"previously on" segments and catching up while it goes along.
>>>> By the time I understood who everyone was, their
>>>> relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
>>>> season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
>>>> be a great ride.
>>>
>>> The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
>>
>> 10, like the first season.
>
>I was thinking 13 for some reason, plus I was thinking that the thread
>was talking about episode five. Bummer, but I should have known, given
>that TRUE BLOOD is back soon.
I think they would cover the same length of books regardless of how
many episodes they had.
wrote:
>David sent the following on 5/13/2012 3:20 PM:
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 12:25:19 -0500, "Jim G."<jimg...@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> David sent the following on 5/11/2012 8:17 PM:
>> greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
>>>> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
>>>> every season.
>>>
>>> Yeah, it could have really benefited from a recap show a week or two
>>> before the new season started. They could have run it a ton of times to
>>> give newbies a nudge to watch and to ensure that returning viewers had
>>> their memories refreshed.
>>
>> They did tha... ohhhh I see what you did there.
>
>Heh. Actually, I didn't. So there really *was* a recap show?
Yeah HBO does those a lot. But I figured I could do with the
>David sent the following on 5/13/2012 3:20 PM:
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 12:25:19 -0500, "Jim G."<jimg...@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> David sent the following on 5/11/2012 8:17 PM:
>> greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
>>>> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
>>>> every season.
>>>
>>> Yeah, it could have really benefited from a recap show a week or two
>>> before the new season started. They could have run it a ton of times to
>>> give newbies a nudge to watch and to ensure that returning viewers had
>>> their memories refreshed.
>>
>> They did tha... ohhhh I see what you did there.
>
>Heh. Actually, I didn't. So there really *was* a recap show?
"previously on" segments and catching up while it goes along.
>>>> By the time I understood who everyone was, their
>>>> relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
>>>> season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
>>>> be a great ride.
>>>
>>> The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
>>
>> 10, like the first season.
>
>I was thinking 13 for some reason, plus I was thinking that the thread
>was talking about episode five. Bummer, but I should have known, given
>that TRUE BLOOD is back soon.
many episodes they had.
Duggy
May 14, 2012, 7:36:40 PM5/14/12
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On May 15, 5:09 am, "Jim G." <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote:
> David sent the following on 5/13/2012 3:20 PM:
===
= DUG.
===
> David sent the following on 5/13/2012 3:20 PM:
> > 10, like the first season.
> I was thinking 13 for some reason
13 is pretty common for HBO, maybe that's what you were thinking.
> I was thinking 13 for some reason
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
May 14, 2012, 7:39:58 PM5/14/12
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On May 15, 4:43 am, tenworld <t...@world.std.com> wrote:
> 3. there is a rough resemblance to americas (westernos)
Huh? Westros is England/Europe (Pyke is Vikings, south France and
> 3. there is a rough resemblance to americas (westernos)
Spain, etc)
> 4. summer and winter can last years (obviously a year isnt 4 seasons
> but it is ~ 12 months)
> 5. There are creatures similar to middle evil
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
May 14, 2012, 7:34:49 PM5/14/12
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The books clearly mention normal seasons (crops, ages, timing) and the
unnatural "long winters" and "long summers".
GRRM has stated that there is a magical reason for the long winters
and it will be explained.
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
May 14, 2012, 7:46:35 PM5/14/12
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On May 15, 2:28 am, tenworld <t...@world.std.com> wrote:
> It will be interesting next season since book 3&4 cover the same time
> period and focus on different sets of characters.
Not true. Book 2 is like book 1 & 2 (although often split into 2 or
> It will be interesting next season since book 3&4 cover the same time
> period and focus on different sets of characters.
more books).
Book 4 & the beginning of 5 follow different sets of characters.
With Books 4 & 5 (depending on how close they follow by that stage)
merging would probably be the answer... after all, the chapters are
written in character POV and often later chapters reveal stuff hidden
from the previous narrator. In the series, however, it is told
straight so often such changes in view aren't seen.
Plus, I'm not sure "you're out of work for a year, but don't get a job
on another series" works. Then again, HBO could give them the money
to film 2 seasons at once...
===
= DUG.
===
anim8rFSK
May 14, 2012, 9:08:12 PM5/14/12
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In article <MPG.2a1c0bec8...@news.bigpond.com>,
In case the reference missed anyone:
http://youtu.be/T0_If-F0eXE
Watch to at least 2:15
http://youtu.be/T0_If-F0eXE
Watch to at least 2:15
Ed Stasiak
May 14, 2012, 11:13:32 PM5/14/12
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> Duggy
> > Ed Stasiak
periods during summer (even the occasional snow fall in
the North) and warmer periods during winter, they are still
much longer then on Earth.
The latest summer they are coming out of has been several
years in length, with it being mentioned that the younger kids
in the story have never experienced a "real" winter in their
entire lives and while this summer has been longer than
normal, it isn't portrayed as anything shocking to the
inhabitants of the planet.
So while magic plays a part, (the "Long Night" being a winter
that lasted for an entire generation) the planet would have
a weird seasonal cycle even without it.
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > ALL the seasons are exceptionally long
>
> > ALL the seasons are exceptionally long
>
> The books clearly mention normal seasons (crops, ages,
> timing) and the unnatural "long winters" and "long summers".
While the length of the seasons vary and there are cooler
> timing) and the unnatural "long winters" and "long summers".
periods during summer (even the occasional snow fall in
the North) and warmer periods during winter, they are still
much longer then on Earth.
The latest summer they are coming out of has been several
years in length, with it being mentioned that the younger kids
in the story have never experienced a "real" winter in their
entire lives and while this summer has been longer than
normal, it isn't portrayed as anything shocking to the
inhabitants of the planet.
So while magic plays a part, (the "Long Night" being a winter
that lasted for an entire generation) the planet would have
a weird seasonal cycle even without it.
Ed Stasiak
May 14, 2012, 11:17:42 PM5/14/12
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> tenworld
is Africa
>
> 3. there is a rough resemblance to americas (westernos) and
> to Europe middle east
Westeros is Europe, while Essos equals Asia and Sothoros
> 3. there is a rough resemblance to americas (westernos) and
> to Europe middle east
is Africa
Duggy
May 14, 2012, 11:22:13 PM5/14/12
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On May 15, 1:13 pm, Ed Stasiak <estas...@att.net> wrote:
> While the length of the seasons vary and there are cooler
> periods during summer (even the occasional snow fall in
> the North) and warmer periods during winter, they are still
> much longer then on Earth.
No evidence of that. References to cropping during the warmer months,
> While the length of the seasons vary and there are cooler
> periods during summer (even the occasional snow fall in
> the North) and warmer periods during winter, they are still
> much longer then on Earth.
etc suggests the softer winters are seasonal. The "real" winter is
certainly magic.
> So while magic plays a part, (the "Long Night" being a winter
> that lasted for an entire generation) the planet would have
> a weird seasonal cycle even without it.
===
= DUG.
===
David Barnett
May 15, 2012, 2:52:41 AM5/15/12
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In article <7622b8c6-2e1e-4f85-a80e-
5a4978...@rg1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
p.allan...@gmail.com says...
>
> On May 12, 11:10 am, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > OTOH I do not like the sadism, violence, & sexism of the
> > show. However. more importantly the sheer boredom of it
> > has induced me to stop watching it.
>
> Another show too subtle and complex for your aging mind?
>
> ===
> = DUG.
> ===
Yet another of your insulting replies.
No, I am still watching the show.
I found the 4th & 5th episodes less boring.
--
David Barnett
5a4978...@rg1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
p.allan...@gmail.com says...
>
> On May 12, 11:10 am, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > OTOH I do not like the sadism, violence, & sexism of the
> > show. However. more importantly the sheer boredom of it
> > has induced me to stop watching it.
>
> Another show too subtle and complex for your aging mind?
>
> ===
> = DUG.
> ===
Yet another of your insulting replies.
No, I am still watching the show.
I found the 4th & 5th episodes less boring.
--
David Barnett
David Barnett
May 15, 2012, 2:54:11 AM5/15/12
to
In article <9bfcfdaa-703c-4915-ab04-1006b8e9c647
@kw17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, p.allan...@gmail.com
says...
>
> ===
> = DUG.
> ===
So I have been told by someone else which makes your reply
unoriginal.
--
David Barnett
@kw17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, p.allan...@gmail.com
says...
>
> On May 12, 10:28 am, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
> > fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
> You're missing a fantastic show.
> On May 12, 10:28 am, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
> > fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
>
> ===
> = DUG.
> ===
So I have been told by someone else which makes your reply
unoriginal.
--
David Barnett
David Barnett
May 15, 2012, 2:56:22 AM5/15/12
to
In article <723ff3d9-8ad0-4479-bffb-000c7a3b9176
@n5g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, p.allan...@gmail.com
says...
>
> Arya, Danny, Cersi, Brienne, Catelyn are all strong female characters
> (or grow into them). Obviously they all have weaknesses, but people
> do. The male characters do, too.
No, there is more than one.
For example Talisa is another besides Khalessa, and there
are others.
--
David Barnett
@n5g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, p.allan...@gmail.com
says...
>
> On May 13, 4:49 am, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
> > It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> > beings, only useful for sex and babies.
>
> True of society, not true of many of the characters.
> On May 13, 4:49 am, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
> > It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> > beings, only useful for sex and babies.
>
>
> Arya, Danny, Cersi, Brienne, Catelyn are all strong female characters
> (or grow into them). Obviously they all have weaknesses, but people
> do. The male characters do, too.
>
> > However, there is one female character in this show who is
> > a leader & so is an exception to the sexism.
> > I apologize for not knowing her name.
>
> One?
> > However, there is one female character in this show who is
> > a leader & so is an exception to the sexism.
> > I apologize for not knowing her name.
>
No, there is more than one.
For example Talisa is another besides Khalessa, and there
are others.
--
David Barnett
David Barnett
May 15, 2012, 3:01:12 AM5/15/12
to
In article <8315d15b-05de-45cf-85f1-
6a8665...@q9g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>,
p.allan...@gmail.com says...
>
> On May 13, 12:25 pm, mcar...@ozemail.com.au (Edward McArdle) wrote:
> > In article <MPG.2a195b96bc5fda59989...@news.bigpond.com>, David Barnett
Aren't you being clever.
I think it is media evil with its graphic torture scenes &
soft porn. However, it does have redeeming features.
--
David Barnett
6a8665...@q9g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>,
p.allan...@gmail.com says...
>
> On May 13, 12:25 pm, mcar...@ozemail.com.au (Edward McArdle) wrote:
> > In article <MPG.2a195b96bc5fda59989...@news.bigpond.com>, David Barnett
> > >I don't know why you disagree with "sexist".
> > >It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> > >beings, only useful for sex and babies.
> > >It's like medieval times with the women being inferior
> > >beings, only useful for sex and babies.
> > >However, there is one female character in this show who is
> > >a leader & so is an exception to the sexism.
> > >I apologize for not knowing her name.
> > >a leader & so is an exception to the sexism.
> > >I apologize for not knowing her name.
> > I had the impression that this *was* mediaeval times.
>
> Media eval or media evil?
>
Aren't you being clever.
I think it is media evil with its graphic torture scenes &
soft porn. However, it does have redeeming features.
--
David Barnett
David Barnett
May 15, 2012, 3:03:43 AM5/15/12
to
In article <79d52530-bba6-4c52-a56d-ec0f0fee8db8
@t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, p.allan...@gmail.com
says...
>
> On May 14, 9:12 am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > If people really want to overthink this, I guess it has to be a
> > different planet since their seasons are so different.
>
> Their seasons aren't different. They have the usual 4 season...
our world.
--
David Barnett
@t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, p.allan...@gmail.com
says...
>
> On May 14, 9:12 am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > If people really want to overthink this, I guess it has to be a
> > different planet since their seasons are so different.
>
> Their seasons aren't different. They have the usual 4 season...
> except something beyond the wall creates long winters.
Your last phrase contradicts - it has long winters unlike
our world.
--
David Barnett
David Barnett
May 15, 2012, 3:11:23 AM5/15/12
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In article <anim8rfsk-5630A9.18081214052012
I'm not going there.
I have been too busy replying to Duggy, who I think is an
insulting smartarse.
--
David Barnett
I have been too busy replying to Duggy, who I think is an
insulting smartarse.
--
David Barnett
Duggy
May 15, 2012, 3:53:55 AM5/15/12
to
On May 15, 4:54 pm, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> In article <9bfcfdaa-703c-4915-ab04-1006b8e9c647
> @kw17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, p.allan.dug...@gmail.com
> In article <9bfcfdaa-703c-4915-ab04-1006b8e9c647
> says...
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 10:28 am, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > > If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
> > > fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
> > You're missing a fantastic show.
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 10:28 am, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > > If the consensus here is that I'm missing out on a
> > > fantastic show, I will reconsider.
>
> > You're missing a fantastic show.
> So I have been told by someone else which makes your reply
> unoriginal.
One person isn't a consensus. You asked for a consensus.
> unoriginal.
At least read your own posts.
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
May 15, 2012, 3:54:35 AM5/15/12
to
On May 15, 4:56 pm, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> In article <723ff3d9-8ad0-4479-bffb-000c7a3b9176
> @n5g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, p.allan.dug...@gmail.com
> In article <723ff3d9-8ad0-4479-bffb-000c7a3b9176
> says...
> > > However, there is one female character in this show who is
> > > a leader & so is an exception to the sexism.
> > > I apologize for not knowing her name.
> > One?
> No, there is more than one.
> For example Talisa is another besides Khalessa, and there
> are others.
Turns out.
> > > a leader & so is an exception to the sexism.
> > > I apologize for not knowing her name.
> > One?
> No, there is more than one.
> For example Talisa is another besides Khalessa, and there
> are others.
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
May 15, 2012, 3:53:01 AM5/15/12
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On May 15, 4:52 pm, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> In article <7622b8c6-2e1e-4f85-a80e-
> 5a4978d9d...@rg1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> p.allan.dug...@gmail.com says...
> No, I am still watching the show.
Ah, so you lied.
> I found the 4th & 5th episodes less boring.
All caught up?
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> In article <7622b8c6-2e1e-4f85-a80e-
> 5a4978d9d...@rg1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> p.allan.dug...@gmail.com says...
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 11:10 am, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > > OTOH I do not like the sadism, violence, & sexism of the
> > > show. However. more importantly the sheer boredom of it
> > > has induced me to stop watching it.
> > Another show too subtle and complex for your aging mind?
>
>
> > On May 12, 11:10 am, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > > OTOH I do not like the sadism, violence, & sexism of the
> > > show. However. more importantly the sheer boredom of it
> > > has induced me to stop watching it.
> > Another show too subtle and complex for your aging mind?
> Yet another of your insulting replies.
Yup.
> No, I am still watching the show.
> I found the 4th & 5th episodes less boring.
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Duggy
May 15, 2012, 3:55:22 AM5/15/12
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Can't help it. The way I am.
> I think it is media evil with its graphic torture scenes &
> soft porn.
That makes them evil?
> However, it does have redeeming features.
True.
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> I think it is media evil with its graphic torture scenes &
> soft porn.
> However, it does have redeeming features.
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Duggy
May 15, 2012, 3:56:00 AM5/15/12
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On May 15, 5:03 pm, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> In article <79d52530-bba6-4c52-a56d-ec0f0fee8db8
> @t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, p.allan.dug...@gmail.com
> In article <79d52530-bba6-4c52-a56d-ec0f0fee8db8
> says...
>
>
>
> > On May 14, 9:12 am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > If people really want to overthink this, I guess it has to be a
> > > different planet since their seasons are so different.
>
> > Their seasons aren't different. They have the usual 4 season...
> > except something beyond the wall creates long winters.
>
> Your last phrase contradicts - it has long winters unlike
> our world.
Yes, created by magic by something in the north. Otherwise it has
>
>
>
> > On May 14, 9:12 am, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > If people really want to overthink this, I guess it has to be a
> > > different planet since their seasons are so different.
>
> > Their seasons aren't different. They have the usual 4 season...
> > except something beyond the wall creates long winters.
>
> Your last phrase contradicts - it has long winters unlike
> our world.
normal seasons.
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Duggy
May 15, 2012, 3:57:41 AM5/15/12
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A scene from "The Cable Guy."
> I have been too busy replying to Duggy, who I think is an
> insulting smartarse.
Yes, many do find my existence insulting because I'm just that much
better than them.
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> I have been too busy replying to Duggy, who I think is an
> insulting smartarse.
better than them.
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Ed Stasiak
May 15, 2012, 9:04:32 AM5/15/12
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> Duggy
> > Ed Stasiak
kids never having experienced a real winter and this
being nothing unusual to the inhabitants of the planet.
There is also a part (in one of the Jon Snow chapters?)
where it's mentioned that the young people have no
idea what it's like to try surviving a winter that goes on
for years with 40's snow drifts, etc.
Then there is the castle of Winterfell (and maybe also
Dreadfort) which is built over a geothermal vent and
incorporates a central heating systems designed to
deal with the abnormally long winters.
All this despite the Maesters treating magic as something
long gone from the world and possibly even mythical,
clearly points to the planet have a _naturally_ screwy
seasonal cycle.
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > they are still much longer then on Earth.
>
> No evidence of that.
Sure there is; the part you snipped about the younger
> > they are still much longer then on Earth.
>
> No evidence of that.
kids never having experienced a real winter and this
being nothing unusual to the inhabitants of the planet.
There is also a part (in one of the Jon Snow chapters?)
where it's mentioned that the young people have no
idea what it's like to try surviving a winter that goes on
for years with 40's snow drifts, etc.
Then there is the castle of Winterfell (and maybe also
Dreadfort) which is built over a geothermal vent and
incorporates a central heating systems designed to
deal with the abnormally long winters.
All this despite the Maesters treating magic as something
long gone from the world and possibly even mythical,
clearly points to the planet have a _naturally_ screwy
seasonal cycle.
Patty Winter
May 15, 2012, 11:09:17 AM5/15/12
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In article <MPG.2a1ca8341...@news.bigpond.com>,
David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>In article <7622b8c6-2e1e-4f85-a80e-
>5a4978...@rg1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
>p.allan...@gmail.com says...
>>
>In article <7622b8c6-2e1e-4f85-a80e-
>5a4978...@rg1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
>p.allan...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Another show too subtle and complex for your aging mind?
>
>
>Yet another of your insulting replies.
This has reminded why I killfiled Duggan ages ago. Anyone who would
be rude to someone who is mourning the loss of his wife is a total
slimeball.
David, he isn't worth your time.
Pattyy
anim8rFSK
May 15, 2012, 2:11:26 PM5/15/12
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In article <4fb2719d$0$87557$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
easiest just to kill gmail and put in a couple exceptions
Mason Barge
May 15, 2012, 3:09:41 PM5/15/12
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I don't use the service though, just the address.
Duggy
May 15, 2012, 6:55:08 PM5/15/12
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On May 16, 1:09 am, Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
> This has reminded why I killfiled Duggan ages ago. Anyone who would
> be rude to someone who is mourning the loss of his wife is a total
> slimeball.
Dr Barnett's wife has died?
> This has reminded why I killfiled Duggan ages ago. Anyone who would
> be rude to someone who is mourning the loss of his wife is a total
> slimeball.
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David Barnett
May 16, 2012, 3:49:54 AM5/16/12
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In article <4fb2719d$0$87557$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
pat...@wintertime.com says...
Many thanks Patty.
I am still mourning her & miss her deeply.
I had decided even before your post not to reply to any
more of his posts.
--
David Barnett
pat...@wintertime.com says...
I am still mourning her & miss her deeply.
I had decided even before your post not to reply to any
more of his posts.
--
David Barnett
Duggy
May 16, 2012, 8:42:41 AM5/16/12
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On May 16, 5:49 pm, David Barnett <dbar3...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> I had decided even before your post not to reply to any
> more of his posts.
Wimp.
> I had decided even before your post not to reply to any
> more of his posts.
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Jim G.
May 16, 2012, 10:59:21 AM5/16/12
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David sent the following on 5/14/2012 3:19 PM:
> On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:09:32 -0500, "Jim G."<jimg...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> David sent the following on 5/13/2012 3:20 PM:
>>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 12:25:19 -0500, "Jim G."<jimg...@geemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> David sent the following on 5/11/2012 8:17 PM:
>>> greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
>>>>> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
>>>>> every season.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, it could have really benefited from a recap show a week or two
>>>> before the new season started. They could have run it a ton of times to
>>>> give newbies a nudge to watch and to ensure that returning viewers had
>>>> their memories refreshed.
>>>
>>> They did tha... ohhhh I see what you did there.
>>
>> Heh. Actually, I didn't. So there really *was* a recap show?
>
> Yeah HBO does those a lot. But I figured I could do with the
> "previously on" segments and catching up while it goes along.
>
>>>>> By the time I understood who everyone was, their
>>>>> relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
>>>>> season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
>>>>> be a great ride.
>>>>
>>>> The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
>>>
>>> 10, like the first season.
>>
>> I was thinking 13 for some reason, plus I was thinking that the thread
>> was talking about episode five. Bummer, but I should have known, given
>> that TRUE BLOOD is back soon.
>
> I think they would cover the same length of books regardless of how
> many episodes they had.
I would guess the same thing; I just wish they'd double the season
orders and double the amount of book content being covered. Oh, heck,
who am I kidding? Triple it all! I'm not greedy, but 22 weeks a year
without this thing is more than enough. :)
--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
"I find it's best if you just ... go with it." -- Lincoln Lee, providing
us with FRINGE's "Every question just leads to more questions" moment
> On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:09:32 -0500, "Jim G."<jimg...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> David sent the following on 5/13/2012 3:20 PM:
>>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 12:25:19 -0500, "Jim G."<jimg...@geemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> David sent the following on 5/11/2012 8:17 PM:
>>> greatly enjoyed the last two episodes, but this show has a big
>>>>> problem in needing to re-establish all the characters and locations
>>>>> every season.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, it could have really benefited from a recap show a week or two
>>>> before the new season started. They could have run it a ton of times to
>>>> give newbies a nudge to watch and to ensure that returning viewers had
>>>> their memories refreshed.
>>>
>>> They did tha... ohhhh I see what you did there.
>>
>> Heh. Actually, I didn't. So there really *was* a recap show?
>
> Yeah HBO does those a lot. But I figured I could do with the
> "previously on" segments and catching up while it goes along.
>
>>>>> By the time I understood who everyone was, their
>>>>> relationships and motivations, and got into the groove of the show the
>>>>> season was half over. But I do feel that the last four episodes will
>>>>> be a great ride.
>>>>
>>>> The last four? How many episodes is season two supposed to have?
>>>
>>> 10, like the first season.
>>
>> I was thinking 13 for some reason, plus I was thinking that the thread
>> was talking about episode five. Bummer, but I should have known, given
>> that TRUE BLOOD is back soon.
>
> I think they would cover the same length of books regardless of how
> many episodes they had.
I would guess the same thing; I just wish they'd double the season
orders and double the amount of book content being covered. Oh, heck,
who am I kidding? Triple it all! I'm not greedy, but 22 weeks a year
without this thing is more than enough. :)
--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
"I find it's best if you just ... go with it." -- Lincoln Lee, providing
us with FRINGE's "Every question just leads to more questions" moment
tenworld
May 16, 2012, 8:35:47 PM5/16/12
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On May 14, 4:39 pm, Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Spain, etc)
>
> > 4. summer and winter can last years (obviously a year isnt 4 seasons
> > but it is ~ 12 months)
>
> 4 normal season, variable multi-year "long seasons"
>
> > 5. There are creatures similar to middle evil
>
> Middle evil?
>
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say it out loud fast (so its a bad pun, sorry NOT)
> On May 15, 4:43 am, tenworld <t...@world.std.com> wrote:
>
> > 3. there is a rough resemblance to americas (westernos)
>
> Huh? Westros is England/Europe (Pyke is Vikings, south France and
>
> > 3. there is a rough resemblance to americas (westernos)
>
> Spain, etc)
>
> > 4. summer and winter can last years (obviously a year isnt 4 seasons
> > but it is ~ 12 months)
>
> 4 normal season, variable multi-year "long seasons"
>
> > 5. There are creatures similar to middle evil
>
> Middle evil?
>
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say it out loud fast (so its a bad pun, sorry NOT)
Duggy
May 16, 2012, 11:26:48 PM5/16/12
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On May 17, 12:59 am, "Jim G." <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote:
> I would guess the same thing; I just wish they'd double the season
> orders and double the amount of book content being covered. Oh, heck,
> who am I kidding? Triple it all! I'm not greedy, but 22 weeks a year
> without this thing is more than enough. :)
Book 3 would need more than Book 1 & 2 did.
> I would guess the same thing; I just wish they'd double the season
> orders and double the amount of book content being covered. Oh, heck,
> who am I kidding? Triple it all! I'm not greedy, but 22 weeks a year
> without this thing is more than enough. :)
But I'm happy with 10 episodes a year...
Except for the character aging.
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Duggy
May 16, 2012, 11:27:25 PM5/16/12
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On May 17, 10:35 am, tenworld <t...@world.std.com> wrote:
> On May 14, 4:39 pm, Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Middle evil?
> On May 14, 4:39 pm, Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> say it out loud fast (so its a bad pun, sorry NOT)
Mid L.E. vill?
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tenworld
May 17, 2012, 11:50:55 AM5/17/12
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On May 16, 8:27 pm, Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 17, 10:35 am, tenworld <t...@world.std.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 14, 4:39 pm, Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Middle evil?
> > say it out loud fast (so its a bad pun, sorry NOT)
>
Middle Earth is a world where good and evil fight and good wins. GOT
> On May 17, 10:35 am, tenworld <t...@world.std.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 14, 4:39 pm, Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Middle evil?
> > say it out loud fast (so its a bad pun, sorry NOT)
>
is a world where evil permeates all levels and good often loses, evil
seems to be in the middle of every facet.
Ed Stasiak
May 17, 2012, 1:50:30 PM5/17/12
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> tenworld
the problems the good guys suffer are due to their own bad
decisions, such as Ned Stark confronting Cersei over her
incestuous relationship with her brother Jaime, instead of
waiting until he's in a more secure position.
>
> GOT is a world where evil permeates all levels and good
> often loses, evil seems to be in the middle of every facet.
I dunno if "evil" is necessarily accurate, as it seems many of
> GOT is a world where evil permeates all levels and good
> often loses, evil seems to be in the middle of every facet.
the problems the good guys suffer are due to their own bad
decisions, such as Ned Stark confronting Cersei over her
incestuous relationship with her brother Jaime, instead of
waiting until he's in a more secure position.
Duggy
May 17, 2012, 6:51:44 PM5/17/12
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On May 18, 1:50 am, tenworld <t...@world.std.com> wrote:
> GOT
> is a world where evil permeates all levels and good often loses, evil
> seems to be in the middle of every facet.
Depends what you consider evil. Most facets of the GOT world are
> GOT
> is a world where evil permeates all levels and good often loses, evil
> seems to be in the middle of every facet.
doing things for their own reasons, just because one disagrees with or
doesn't like their motives doesn't make them evil.
The characters who seem most evil are usually called "mad".
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David Johnston
May 17, 2012, 8:41:27 PM5/17/12
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On 5/17/2012 4:51 PM, Duggy wrote:
> On May 18, 1:50 am, tenworld<t...@world.std.com> wrote:
>> GOT
>> is a world where evil permeates all levels and good often loses, evil
>> seems to be in the middle of every facet.
>
> Depends what you consider evil. Most facets of the GOT world are
> doing things for their own reasons, just because one disagrees with or
> doesn't like their motives doesn't make them evil.
I figure not liking people's motives and methods of achieving their
> On May 18, 1:50 am, tenworld<t...@world.std.com> wrote:
>> GOT
>> is a world where evil permeates all levels and good often loses, evil
>> seems to be in the middle of every facet.
>
> Depends what you consider evil. Most facets of the GOT world are
> doing things for their own reasons, just because one disagrees with or
> doesn't like their motives doesn't make them evil.
goals is exactly what makes people call other people evil.
Arthur Lipscomb
May 17, 2012, 11:18:09 PM5/17/12
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Duggy
May 17, 2012, 11:20:59 PM5/17/12
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doesn't mean that the people or actions are evil.
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David Johnston
May 18, 2012, 12:04:27 AM5/18/12
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David Johnston
May 18, 2012, 12:06:13 AM5/18/12
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Duggy
May 18, 2012, 12:24:50 AM5/18/12
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David Johnston
May 18, 2012, 12:28:04 AM5/18/12
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therefore they are evil.
Duggy
May 18, 2012, 3:52:52 AM5/18/12
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One of the Seven? The Red God? The Drowned God? The Old Gods of the
Forest? The Great Stallion?
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