OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
cases even has product in it. And the google guy
is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine, there
will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
calories to 500/day.
In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
they have been on the run for months. They are
dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.
In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:
> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
> will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
> the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
> calories to 500/day.
> In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
> they have been on the run for months. They are
> dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
> clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
> Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.
> In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:
>> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
>> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
>> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
>> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
> what proof that there is famine?
> there
>> will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
>> the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
>> calories to 500/day.
>> In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
>> they have been on the run for months. They are
>> dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
>> clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
>> Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.
>> Just my $0.02,
>> Lynn
Without powered machinery for food production,
people in the past needed to spend 80% of their
time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays.
The transition back to manual food production
will be horrendous.
Plus the militia shows up every so often and
takes most of their food.
> On 10/24/2012 4:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>> In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com>
>> wrote:
>>> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
>>> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
>>> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
>>> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
>> what proof that there is famine?
>> there
>>> will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
>>> the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
>>> calories to 500/day.
>>> In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
>>> they have been on the run for months. They are
>>> dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
>>> clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
>>> Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.
>>> Just my $0.02,
>>> Lynn
> Without powered machinery for food production,
> people in the past needed to spend 80% of their
> time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays.
> The transition back to manual food production
> will be horrendous.
> Plus the militia shows up every so often and
> takes most of their food.
> Lynn
Powered machinery, chemical fertilizers, insecticides, transportation to move the food around, genetically engineered seeds, engine pumped water, and satellite weather information. Plus a shortage of large animals to work old farm equipment because ravaging hordes ate them.
> On 10/25/2012 10:09 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 10/24/2012 4:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
>>>> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
>>>> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
>>>> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
>>> what proof that there is famine?
>>> there
>>>> will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
>>>> the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
>>>> calories to 500/day.
>>>> In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
>>>> they have been on the run for months. They are
>>>> dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
>>>> clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
>>>> Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.
>>>> Just my $0.02,
>>>> Lynn
>> Without powered machinery for food production,
>> people in the past needed to spend 80% of their
>> time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays.
>> The transition back to manual food production
>> will be horrendous.
>> Plus the militia shows up every so often and
>> takes most of their food.
>> Lynn
> Powered machinery, chemical fertilizers, insecticides, transportation to move the food around, genetically engineered seeds, engine
> pumped water, and satellite weather information. Plus a shortage of large animals to work old farm equipment because ravaging
> hordes ate them.
My great-grandfather plowed his fields during WWII
here in Texas using two mules because he could not
get enough gasoline to run his tractor. Those
days are long gone and those mules are long gone.
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:00:39 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 10/25/2012 1:36 PM, Michael Bowker wrote:
> > On 10/25/2012 10:09 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> On 10/24/2012 4:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>> In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
> >>>> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
> >>>> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
> >>>> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
> >>> what proof that there is famine?
> >>> there
> >>>> will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
> >>>> the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
> >>>> calories to 500/day.
> >>>> In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
> >>>> they have been on the run for months. They are
> >>>> dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
> >>>> clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
> >>>> Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.
> >>>> Just my $0.02,
> >>>> Lynn
> >> Without powered machinery for food production,
> >> people in the past needed to spend 80% of their
> >> time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays.
> >> The transition back to manual food production
> >> will be horrendous.
> >> Plus the militia shows up every so often and
> >> takes most of their food.
> >> Lynn
> > Powered machinery, chemical fertilizers, insecticides, transportation to move the food around, genetically engineered seeds, engine
> > pumped water, and satellite weather information. Plus a shortage of large animals to work old farm equipment because ravaging
> > hordes ate them.
> My great-grandfather plowed his fields during WWII
> here in Texas using two mules because he could not
> get enough gasoline to run his tractor. Those
> days are long gone and those mules are long gone.
> Lynn
There are other land holdings possible besides small family farms that suffer from in-economies of scale. Large latifundia could maximize the land farmed with a smaller landforce.
> On 10/25/2012 1:36 PM, Michael Bowker wrote:
>> On 10/25/2012 10:09 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 10/24/2012 4:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>> In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
>>>>> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
>>>>> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
>>>>> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
>>>> what proof that there is famine?
>>>> there
>>>>> will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
>>>>> the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
>>>>> calories to 500/day.
>>>>> In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
>>>>> they have been on the run for months. They are
>>>>> dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
>>>>> clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
>>>>> Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.
>>>>> Just my $0.02,
>>>>> Lynn
>>> Without powered machinery for food production,
>>> people in the past needed to spend 80% of their
>>> time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays.
>>> The transition back to manual food production
>>> will be horrendous.
>>> Plus the militia shows up every so often and
>>> takes most of their food.
>>> Lynn
>> Powered machinery, chemical fertilizers, insecticides, transportation
>> to move the food around, genetically engineered seeds, engine
>> pumped water, and satellite weather information. Plus a shortage of
>> large animals to work old farm equipment because ravaging
>> hordes ate them.
> My great-grandfather plowed his fields during WWII
> here in Texas using two mules because he could not
> get enough gasoline to run his tractor. Those
> days are long gone and those mules are long gone.
> Lynn
I must be older than you, for me it was my grandfather. :) Seriously, people have no idea how much work it is to grow food without modern technology. ...or how hard it is to transport food.
> On Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:00:39 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 10/25/2012 1:36 PM, Michael Bowker wrote:
>>> On 10/25/2012 10:09 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 10/24/2012 4:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>> In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
>>>>>> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
>>>>>> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
>>>>>> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
>>>>> what proof that there is famine?
>>>>> there
>>>>>> will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
>>>>>> the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
>>>>>> calories to 500/day.
>>>>>> In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
>>>>>> they have been on the run for months. They are
>>>>>> dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
>>>>>> clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
>>>>>> Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.
>>>>>> Just my $0.02,
>>>>>> Lynn
>>>> Without powered machinery for food production,
>>>> people in the past needed to spend 80% of their
>>>> time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays.
>>>> The transition back to manual food production
>>>> will be horrendous.
>>>> Plus the militia shows up every so often and
>>>> takes most of their food.
>>>> Lynn
>>> Powered machinery, chemical fertilizers, insecticides, transportation to move the food around, genetically engineered seeds, engine
>>> pumped water, and satellite weather information. Plus a shortage of large animals to work old farm equipment because ravaging
>>> hordes ate them.
>> My great-grandfather plowed his fields during WWII
>> here in Texas using two mules because he could not
>> get enough gasoline to run his tractor. Those
>> days are long gone and those mules are long gone.
>> Lynn
> There are other land holdings possible besides small family farms that suffer from in-economies of scale. Large latifundia could maximize the land farmed with a smaller landforce.
You could do much worse than adopting Roman technology. But they had plenty of people and animals to carry out such techniques, a post die-off world would have a shortage of both. Eventually yes that would naturally be the way to go, but this is only 15 years from the die-off.
> On 10/25/2012 1:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 10/25/2012 1:36 PM, Michael Bowker wrote:
>>> On 10/25/2012 10:09 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 10/24/2012 4:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>> In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
>>>>>> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
>>>>>> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
>>>>>> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
>>>>> what proof that there is famine?
>>>>> there
>>>>>> will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
>>>>>> the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
>>>>>> calories to 500/day.
>>>>>> In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
>>>>>> they have been on the run for months. They are
>>>>>> dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
>>>>>> clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
>>>>>> Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.
>>>>>> Just my $0.02,
>>>>>> Lynn
>>>> Without powered machinery for food production,
>>>> people in the past needed to spend 80% of their
>>>> time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays.
>>>> The transition back to manual food production
>>>> will be horrendous.
>>>> Plus the militia shows up every so often and
>>>> takes most of their food.
>>>> Lynn
>>> Powered machinery, chemical fertilizers, insecticides, transportation
>>> to move the food around, genetically engineered seeds, engine
>>> pumped water, and satellite weather information. Plus a shortage of
>>> large animals to work old farm equipment because ravaging
>>> hordes ate them.
>> My great-grandfather plowed his fields during WWII
>> here in Texas using two mules because he could not
>> get enough gasoline to run his tractor. Those
>> days are long gone and those mules are long gone.
>> Lynn
> I must be older than you, for me it was my grandfather. :) Seriously, people have no idea how much work it is to grow food without
> modern technology. ...or how hard it is to transport food.
I'm 52. My grandfather was 45 in 1943 and died
when one of the mules kicked him in the stomach.
He put the mules up and went to the house to take
a nap. He died in his sleep from a torn artery
in his stomach since he refused to go to the
hospital. He was born and raised in Belgium and
very hard headed.
> On 10/25/2012 7:37 PM, Michael Bowker wrote:
>> On 10/25/2012 1:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 10/25/2012 1:36 PM, Michael Bowker wrote:
>>>> On 10/25/2012 10:09 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> On 10/24/2012 4:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>> In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
>>>>>>> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
>>>>>>> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
>>>>>>> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
>>>>>> what proof that there is famine?
>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
>>>>>>> the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
>>>>>>> calories to 500/day.
>>>>>>> In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
>>>>>>> they have been on the run for months. They are
>>>>>>> dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
>>>>>>> clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
>>>>>>> Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.
>>>>>>> Just my $0.02,
>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>> Without powered machinery for food production,
>>>>> people in the past needed to spend 80% of their
>>>>> time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays.
>>>>> The transition back to manual food production
>>>>> will be horrendous.
>>>>> Plus the militia shows up every so often and
>>>>> takes most of their food.
>>>>> Lynn
>>>> Powered machinery, chemical fertilizers, insecticides, transportation
>>>> to move the food around, genetically engineered seeds, engine
>>>> pumped water, and satellite weather information. Plus a shortage of
>>>> large animals to work old farm equipment because ravaging
>>>> hordes ate them.
>>> My great-grandfather plowed his fields during WWII
>>> here in Texas using two mules because he could not
>>> get enough gasoline to run his tractor. Those
>>> days are long gone and those mules are long gone.
>>> Lynn
>> I must be older than you, for me it was my grandfather. :) Seriously, people have no idea how much work it is to grow food without
>> modern technology. ...or how hard it is to transport food.
> I'm 52. My grandfather was 45 in 1943 and died
> when one of the mules kicked him in the stomach.
> He put the mules up and went to the house to take
> a nap. He died in his sleep from a torn artery
> in his stomach since he refused to go to the
> hospital. He was born and raised in Belgium and
> very hard headed.
> On 10/26/2012 1:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 10/25/2012 7:37 PM, Michael Bowker wrote:
>>> On 10/25/2012 1:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 10/25/2012 1:36 PM, Michael Bowker wrote:
>>>>> On 10/25/2012 10:09 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/24/2012 4:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire
>>>>>>> <l...@winsim.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
>>>>>>>> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
>>>>>>>> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
>>>>>>>> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
>>>>>>> what proof that there is famine?
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
>>>>>>>> the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
>>>>>>>> calories to 500/day.
>>>>>>>> In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
>>>>>>>> they have been on the run for months. They are
>>>>>>>> dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
>>>>>>>> clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
>>>>>>>> Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.
>>>>>>>> Just my $0.02,
>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>> Without powered machinery for food production,
>>>>>> people in the past needed to spend 80% of their
>>>>>> time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays.
>>>>>> The transition back to manual food production
>>>>>> will be horrendous.
>>>>>> Plus the militia shows up every so often and
>>>>>> takes most of their food.
>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>> Powered machinery, chemical fertilizers, insecticides, transportation
>>>>> to move the food around, genetically engineered seeds, engine
>>>>> pumped water, and satellite weather information. Plus a shortage of
>>>>> large animals to work old farm equipment because ravaging
>>>>> hordes ate them.
>>>> My great-grandfather plowed his fields during WWII
>>>> here in Texas using two mules because he could not
>>>> get enough gasoline to run his tractor. Those
>>>> days are long gone and those mules are long gone.
>>>> Lynn
>>> I must be older than you, for me it was my grandfather. :) Seriously,
>>> people have no idea how much work it is to grow food without
>>> modern technology. ...or how hard it is to transport food.
>> I'm 52. My grandfather was 45 in 1943 and died
>> when one of the mules kicked him in the stomach.
>> He put the mules up and went to the house to take
>> a nap. He died in his sleep from a torn artery
>> in his stomach since he refused to go to the
>> hospital. He was born and raised in Belgium and
>> very hard headed.
>> Lynn
> Sigh. s/grandfather/great-grandfather/
> Lynn
Nope, we're the same age. Funny, my great-grandfather died almost the same way (only in German and long before WWII). The day before his 99th birthday, he took his normal walk around the land. Came back for his nap and died in his sleep from a brain hemorrhage. But my grandfather's mules didn't kill him, he died in the 70's (the 1970, not his 70's (although he was in his late 70's)) from a heart attack in Temple, TX.
In article <k6brnu$jr...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:
> On 10/24/2012 4:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> > > wrote:
> >> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
> >> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
> >> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
> >> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
> > what proof that there is famine?
> > there
> >> will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
> >> the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
> >> calories to 500/day.
> >> In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
> >> they have been on the run for months. They are
> >> dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
> >> clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
> >> Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.
> >> Just my $0.02,
> >> Lynn
> Without powered machinery for food production,
> people in the past needed to spend 80% of their
> time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays.
> The transition back to manual food production
> will be horrendous.
You'd have a large population of "useless" workers, with nothing to do after their tweeters died, that the militia could put on farms and say "work or die"
The Amish don't say that, but they manage quite well without most of the powered machinery consider necessary
> Plus the militia shows up every so often and
> takes most of their food.
> Lynn
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> In article <k6brnu$jr...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:
>> On 10/24/2012 4:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
>>>> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
>>>> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
>>>> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
>>> what proof that there is famine?
>>> there
>>>> will be no fat people ! Google guy needs to get on
>>>> the stairmaster for four hours per day and cut his
>>>> calories to 500/day.
>>>> In 'The Walking Dead", Rick and the bunch look like
>>>> they have been on the run for months. They are
>>>> dirty, their hair is long and ragged, their
>>>> clothing has holes and nasty stains in it, etc.
>>>> Even Hershel has lost weight, not including his leg.
>>>> Just my $0.02,
>>>> Lynn
>> Without powered machinery for food production,
>> people in the past needed to spend 80% of their
>> time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays.
>> The transition back to manual food production
>> will be horrendous.
> You'd have a large population of "useless" workers, with nothing to do after
> their tweeters died, that the militia could put on farms and say "work or die"
> The Amish don't say that, but they manage quite well without most of the powered
> machinery consider necessary
>> Plus the militia shows up every so often and
>> takes most of their food.
>> Lynn
But the transition to human labor on farms
would be horrendous. It would takes years
and we do not have "years" of food stored in
this country.
My impression is that the militia show up
and take whatever they can find. Organizing
large farms is a lot of work.
In article <k6eu57$2a...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:
> >> Without powered machinery for food production, people in the past needed > >> to spend 80% of their time for food production. We spend 2% nowadays. The > >> transition back to manual food production will be horrendous.
> > You'd have a large population of "useless" workers, with nothing to do > > after their tweeters died, that the militia could put on farms and say > > "work or die"
> > The Amish don't say that, but they manage quite well without most of the > > powered machinery consider necessary
> >> Plus the militia shows up every so often and takes most of their food.
> >> Lynn
> But the transition to human labor on farms would be horrendous. It would > takes years and we do not have "years" of food stored in this country.
> My impression is that the militia show up and take whatever they can find.
> Organizing large farms is a lot of work.
> Lynn
The militia goes for the important stuff: food, medicine, guns and ammo. Then the militia says "we can feed you but only if you work on the farms and other important stuff...don't want to work either leave or we will hunt you down and kill you
it won't be quick or painless, but it would be aided by the fact that a large percentage of the population wouldn't have the skill necessary to survive on their own
On 10/24/2012 3:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:
>> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
>> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
>> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
>> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
> what proof that there is famine?
Famine isn't exactly the word. The food distribution networks were crashed, and farmers lost access to fertilizers and farm equipment. Mass starvation should have resulted. (And in fact was necessary for the nation to collapse.)
In article <k7u7bg$9j...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
> On 10/24/2012 3:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> > > wrote:
> >> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
> >> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
> >> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
> >> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
> > what proof that there is famine?
> Famine isn't exactly the word. The food distribution networks were > crashed, and farmers lost access to fertilizers and farm equipment. > Mass starvation should have resulted. (And in fact was necessary for > the nation to collapse.)
it's just a nit, but diesel engines don't necessarily depend in any way on electricity, steam engines neither. We've seen a steam train, making a diesel run on vegetable oil isn't difficult, so transportation didn't necessarily have to be that disrupted. As to fertilizers, that would probably be a problem but there is still manure from cows, pigs and chickens so a smallish farm could work
> In article <k7u7bg$9j...@dont-email.me>, David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
> wrote:
>> On 10/24/2012 3:44 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> In article <k6970u$i0...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> OK, one major flaw in "Revolution" is that everyone
>>>> looks nice. The hair is combed, cut and in some
>>>> cases even has product in it. And the google guy
>>>> is fat. Folks, after 15 years of famine,
>>> what proof that there is famine?
>> Famine isn't exactly the word. The food distribution networks were
>> crashed, and farmers lost access to fertilizers and farm equipment.
>> Mass starvation should have resulted. (And in fact was necessary for
>> the nation to collapse.)
> it's just a nit, but diesel engines don't necessarily depend in any way on
> electricity, steam engines neither. We've seen a steam train, making a diesel
> run on vegetable oil isn't difficult, so transportation didn't necessarily have
> to be that disrupted. As to fertilizers, that would probably be a problem but
> there is still manure from cows, pigs and chickens so a smallish farm could work
How are you going to get that diesel engine
started without glow plugs and an electric
starter? Air starters for diesels went out
of fashion back in the 1940s.
In article <k83epu$al...@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:
> >>> what proof that there is famine?
> >> Famine isn't exactly the word. The food distribution networks were
> >> crashed, and farmers lost access to fertilizers and farm equipment.
> >> Mass starvation should have resulted. (And in fact was necessary for
> >> the nation to collapse.)
> > it's just a nit, but diesel engines don't necessarily depend in any way on
> > electricity, steam engines neither. We've seen a steam train, making a > > diesel
> > run on vegetable oil isn't difficult, so transportation didn't necessarily > > have
> > to be that disrupted. As to fertilizers, that would probably be a problem > > but
> > there is still manure from cows, pigs and chickens so a smallish farm could > > work
> How are you going to get that diesel engine
> started without glow plugs and an electric
> starter? Air starters for diesels went out
> of fashion back in the 1940s.
> Lynn
I've seen them on dump trucks as recently as the 80's. I suppose in a pinch, as impractical as it would be, having a small steam engine available as a pony engine would work (or just as an external starter motor
I wonder if the first ones actually had glow plugs?
