Re: STARGATE:SGU - "TIME"------WTF?????
Smokie Darling (Annie)
> In article <MPG.256a3320deb3b04c98d...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <m34uf5dpdmpjukadkkk9l7hqf26q5it...@4ax.com>,
> > Fre...@Dobbs.MTN says...
> > > Can someone please explain this episode what happend?
>
> > They all lived. Nothing happened.
>
> > > And the ending - is this a 2 parter??
>
> > By all accounts no- next week its back to infidelity and heated glances.
>
> > > Thanks for your input
>
> > It was time loops cut in a way to confuse the easily confused.
>
> > They show up on the planet. Walk around wisecracking and insulting the
> > local wildlife. They get sick and start dying. The local wildlife
> > strikes back and they continue dying. Because of a solar flare the gate
> > is malfunction. Rush takes a chance on the gate and gets sent back in
> > time (perhaps many years)
>
> And happened to die all those years ago right next to gate where his
> skull could easily be found. Considerate of him.
Was that his skull or was that Rush's skull, since he died *right
there*?
krp
"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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S> Was that his skull or was that Rush's skull, since he died *right
S> there*?
I keep hoping that SGU will improve. Alas, how foolish. It is
increasingly dreadful. At least "V" has Morena Baccarin and we can hope for
some hot action. The writing is bad, but I watch hoping to see more of
Morena. In more ways than one.
clouddreamer
That's what I thought as well. The timeline would mesh.
..
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Smokie Darling (Annie)
> "Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnabus1...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:4517d70a-278f-4c5a...@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
...and V reminds of everything that went wrong with Threshhold,
Surface, and Invasion <shrug> go figure.
David Johnston
Hunh? Yes, Rush's skull was Rush's skull.
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Smokie Darling (Annie)
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.sf.tv, alt.tv.stargate-sg1
"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnabus1...@yahoo.com> wrote on Sun, 15 Nov
2009 08:01:31 -0800 (PST)
> In article <MPG.256a3320deb3b04c98d...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
> > In article <m34uf5dpdmpjukadkkk9l7hqf26q5it...@4ax.com>,
> > Fre...@Dobbs.MTN says...
> > > Can someone please explain this episode what happend?
> > They all lived. Nothing happened.
> > > And the ending - is this a 2 parter??
> > By all accounts no- next week its back to infidelity and heated glances.
> > > Thanks for your input
> > It was time loops cut in a way to confuse the easily confused.
> > They show up on the planet. Walk around wisecracking and insulting the
> > local wildlife. They get sick and start dying. The local wildlife
> > strikes back and they continue dying. Because of a solar flare the gate
> > is malfunction. Rush takes a chance on the gate and gets sent back in
> > time (perhaps many years)
> And happened to die all those years ago right next to gate where his
> skull could easily be found. Considerate of him.
Perhaps he tripped coming out the gate and hit his head, dying
instantly.
Smokie Darling (Annie)
Apparently, misread the person to whom I replied. I thought he'd said
that Scott died conveniently beside the gate, where his skull was
found.
I figured the whatever was wrong with the gate killed Rush as he tried
to go through.
Smokie Darling (Annie)
> "Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnabus1...@yahoo.com> wrote on Sun, 15 Nov
> 2009 08:01:31 -0800 (PST)
> > In article <MPG.256a3320deb3b04c98d...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> > Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
> > > In article <m34uf5dpdmpjukadkkk9l7hqf26q5it...@4ax.com>,
> > > Fre...@Dobbs.MTN says...
> > > > Can someone please explain this episode what happend?
> > > They all lived. Nothing happened.
> > > > And the ending - is this a 2 parter??
> > > By all accounts no- next week its back to infidelity and heated glances.
> > > > Thanks for your input
> > > It was time loops cut in a way to confuse the easily confused.
> > > They show up on the planet. Walk around wisecracking and insulting the
> > > local wildlife. They get sick and start dying. The local wildlife
> > > strikes back and they continue dying. Because of a solar flare the gate
> > > is malfunction. Rush takes a chance on the gate and gets sent back in
> > > time (perhaps many years)
> > And happened to die all those years ago right next to gate where his
> > skull could easily be found. Considerate of him.
>
> Perhaps he tripped coming out the gate and hit his head, dying
> instantly.
Or whatever was 'wrong' with the gate killed him. Doubt they'll
explain it.
David Johnston
Could be, but then again he could have died during the night while
sticking close to the stargate.
clouddreamer
Yeah. The gate travel didn't kill him. We already know from 1969 that
humans can safely travel when a solar flare affects the wormhole. He
just travels through time. Likely he stayed by the stargate hoping for
rescue and the buggers got him.
..
Smokie Darling (Annie)
> David Johnston wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:50:55 -0800 (PST), "Smokie Darling (Annie)"
I don't recall *that* gate looking like it was shorting out though.
That's how I looked at this one. As though the wormhole was not
stable, therefore, deadly.
clouddreamer
Ten years later. Better special effects.
;]
Dimensional Traveler
Or the disease, which appears to be fatal within 24 hours.
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Davej
>
> I keep hoping that SGU will improve. Alas, how foolish. It is
> increasingly dreadful. At least "V" has Morena Baccarin and we
> can hope for some hot action. The writing is bad, but I watch
> hoping to see more of Morena. In more ways than one.
I find SGU much more watchable than V.
Smokie Darling (Annie)
<giggle> okay... Well, I don't recall them saying the gate was
acting "funny", that it seemed a bit unstable <smile>. That doesn't
require any special effects.
Smokie Darling (Annie)
Yeah, I keep forgetting that he was also infected. That actually
makes more sense than the gate malfunctioning <grin>. I often
overthink things, had ya noticed?
erilar
<8f16acd4-2fa9-4743...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
So do I, but that's because I've never even looked at V. I remember the
one it's based on, which I watched a wee bit of and decided I didn't
care for the whole premise as basis for a series.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Davej
> Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 15, 2:12 pm, "krp" <kr...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > I keep hoping that SGU will improve. Alas, how foolish. It is
> > > increasingly dreadful. At least "V" has Morena Baccarin and we
> > > can hope for some hot action. The writing is bad, but I watch
> > > hoping to see more of Morena. In more ways than one.
>
> > I find SGU much more watchable than V.
>
> So do I, but that's because I've never even looked at V. I remember the
> one it's based on, which I watched a wee bit of and decided I didn't
> care for the whole premise as basis for a series.
Well, for one thing you start thinking that these people shouldn't be
so damn gullible and should find it preposterous that the "V-aliens"
just happen to be humanoids and apparently identical to us in every
way. Add to that the "yuck factor" of the hormone-driven teenage son
and it's barely watchable.
Tim Bruening
"Smokie Darling (Annie)" wrote:
How long was the gate unstable in timeline 1 before the kino was sent through?
szr
Actually the same effect was used as early as Season 1 of SG-1; like towards
the end of Torment of Tantalis, so it's not a question of better special
effects.
-szr
whodunit
...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
Here we go again...
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Tim Bruening
whodunit wrote:
So the V series has Visitor supporters proclaiming their support for Obama?
Pete B
tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us says...
Naa, its just some nazies who are against the good life for all.
Rom
> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
> thusly:
>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>
> Here we go again...
I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
trying to do to the U.S. There's been millions of people voicing their
distaste for the current state of the economy, recently huge amount of
students protesting on university campuses over tuition hikes, and reps and
senators blatantly ignoring what the people who they are supposed to be
representing are saying, branding them as senseless mobs instead.
HELL, even some hard left liberals are against what is going on. Also,
Senator Reed is having a hell of a time getting support to even start a
DEBATE on whether or not to call a vote on the "health bill." [1] It's plain
obvious there's people in high positions right now who are just power hungry
sycophants (kind of reminds me of Kinsey form SG-1) who just wish to control
us all.
Also, isn't it just beautifully ironic that the e-books that Amazon remotely
deleted from Kindle were Orwell's "1984" and "Animal Farm" ? Can't you seem
the common pattern here of power and control?
Spike, I know you gotta be more intelligent, and able to see what is going
on. It's not limited to anyone country obviously. You've gotta know that
freedom is the most precious resource in existence, no? Come on, ffs. Obama
is a puppet that pretends to be a progressive, but it really the voice for
the far left agendas out there.
[1] I'm all for a better health system, but not if they are going to fine or
even jail you for not going with the flow. What they really want to do is
hilariously unconstitutional to the point of spawning memories of the 1984
film version of "1984."
-Rom
clouddreamer
> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>> thusly:
>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>> Here we go again...
>
> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
> trying to do to the U.S.
Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
You're so blinded by ideology, you'll never see any good.
<plonk>
..
David Johnston
>spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>> thusly:
>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>
>> Here we go again...
>
>I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>trying to do to the U.S. There's been millions of people voicing their
>distaste for the current state of the economy,
Which started in Bush's term and would have been the same if McCain
got in.
Rom
> Rom wrote:
>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>> thusly:
>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>> Here we go again...
>>
>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they
>> are trying to do to the U.S.
>
>
> Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
> nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
The majority of people DO have health care already. The system DOES need to
be reformed. But not forced upon us (under penalty of hefty fines and/or
jail time.) Is this really how you believe the problem should be solved?!
-Rom
David V. Loewe, Jr
<saveth...@save.money.too> wrote:
>Rom wrote:
>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>> thusly:
>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>> Here we go again...
>>
>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>> trying to do to the U.S.
>Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
You do know that the plan doesn't do that, right?
For example, about 12 million of the 40-something (not 50 and estimates
vary between 43-47) million uninsured are illegal aliens, right? You
are also aware that certain socialized medicine programs (Canadian
Medicare to name one specifically) do not even cover *legal* aliens,
correct? Why should America have to cover illegals when other
governments don't even deign to cover legals?
Another approximately 15 million of those people would qualify for
Medicaid - if they'd apply.
Another group (I don't know the numbers on this one offhand) consists of
high wage earners ($50,000 or more in personal income) who do not bother
to spend money on health insurance.
>You're so blinded by ideology, you'll never see any good.
I've posted studies, which have gone unrefuted here and in every other
forum I've trotted them out, that show that American Life Expectancy,
when adjusted for events that health care cannot deal with (like
murders) is the highest in the world. But people pushing for a radical
change in the way we do health care can't see the good in that.
Moreover, where is the money for this going to come from? Are you aware
that people get denied treatment in Canada because of lack of funding?
><plonk>
--
"Though these wounds have seen no wars
Except for the scars I have ignored
And this endless crutch, well it's never enough
It's been the Worst Day Since Yesterday"
- Flogging Molly
David Johnston
<dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:46:35 -0330, clouddreamer
><saveth...@save.money.too> wrote:
>
>>Rom wrote:
>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>>> thusly:
>
>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>> Here we go again...
>>>
>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>>> trying to do to the U.S.
>
>>Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>>nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>
>You do know that the plan doesn't do that, right?
>
>For example, about 12 million of the 40-something (not 50 and estimates
>vary between 43-47) million uninsured are illegal aliens, right?
Wrong. The illegal aliens aren't on the books.
krp
"clouddreamer" <saveth...@save.money.too> wrote in message
news:8LednUp3DrHyoprW...@supernews.com...
> Rom wrote:
>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>> thusly:
>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>> Here we go again...
>>
>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>> trying to do to the U.S.
>
>
> Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
> nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
Richest? What are you injecting? With 11 TRILLIONS dollars in debt by
one counting over $100 trillion in debt by the real one from the Comptroller
General) you say we are RICH? Tell me, oh great mental giant, what's made
here any more? Even 50% of GM's auto assembly is off shore, nearly 90% of
the components are made off shore. When is the last time you saw an
operating steel mill in the United States??? How's that American Made TV
set doing for you? What is it, a MUNTZ? A MAGNAVOX? Seen any American made
stereo's lately? Where is your computer built? Oh, okay, we ARE making SOME
chips. How about that coffee maker? Mexico or Taiwan? Clothing? CHINA!
Hell - at least 60% of your food comes from other countries. How many
companies are making farm machinery? John Deere makes a FEW things. Hey how
about heavy construction machines? Certainly Caterpillar? Yeah a few things,
but lots is IMPORTED from the factories in Europe. See any road
construction? I look at the cranes and like and see KOMATSU.
Hey how about all those GREAT health care machines. MRI and all that
good shit? GE? Yep. IN FRENCH and GERMAN factories. Tires? Firestone is
owned by Bridgestone of Japan. HA SO! Yankee you die! Appliances? A health
share of the market is from Europe and Asia. HELL - we even IMPORT condoms.
Ever go into a hospital? Most of the doctors are named Gupta or Patel. How
about telephones? SURE we have telephones coming out our ass? RIGHT, we
invented them. NOPE. Not ONE.. 100% are from Asia. Cell phones? Europe and
Asia. Fiver optic cable? Nope!
Ah but the really HEAVY stuff like electrical generators (turbines)?
NOPE. Not even PARTS for them. Europe and China. We have to BUY them. Drugs?
Yes, some. Shit we even have to IMPORT our Marijuana. But seriously, most
drug companies are now OWNED by foreign companies and they are racing to
close ALL US production.
You know "DREAMER" it is amazing that ANY of our people have healthcare.
This shit did NOT start under Obama. It's been going on for well over a
century. Deficit spending like drunken sailors in a brothel by Congress, and
to a large degree by the American people. Buying houses MUCH bigger than we
can really afford. Carrying HUGE mortgages. Now many Americans are "under
water" in mortgages that are twice what the house is worth today. The dollar
is in the shitters. It is inevitable that that they will have to start
printing $100,000 bills. Even with that we'll have to take the cash to the
supermarket on a fork-lift. The INTEREST on what we owe China will gobble up
the next 10 years of our GNP!
Richest country? We are Cuba with NEW CARS that we owe our asses on.
Do you think this FREE HEALTH CARE will REALLY be for FREE? TOTALLY FREE?
Nobody has to pay for it? Oh yeah, the RICH will pay for it, right? SOAK THE
RICH! Yet they are moving their case OFF SHORE as fast as they can. And
YOU, RICH GUY?
krp
"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
news:e77fg51bhlurmqm99...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:19:25 -0600, "David V. Loewe, Jr"
>>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>>> Here we go again...
>>>>
>>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they
>>>> are
>>>> trying to do to the U.S.
>>
>>>Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>>>nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>>
>>You do know that the plan doesn't do that, right?
>>
>>For example, about 12 million of the 40-something (not 50 and estimates
>>vary between 43-47) million uninsured are illegal aliens, right?
>
> Wrong. The illegal aliens aren't on the books.
And you are THICK enough to actually BELIEVE that bullshit? Tell you
what Dave. I'm going to make a deal for you. I'm suffering the cash crunch
like most folks. YOU seem to be one of the "RICH" so maybe we can do a
little business. I inherited this Bridge in New York that connects to
Brooklyn. I'll really sell it to you CHEAP. It's a SHORT SALE. YOU have
READ the Bill, right? You KNOW that Illegal aliens won't be covered? Tell me
dork,you know they are COVERED right now, don't you? Se habla MED -EEE -
KADE!
Don't worry - we are SOOOOOOOOO fukking RICH we can give FREE health
care to EVERYONE on the planet! I am SURE you can pony up at least a million
dollars a year, right? YOU HAVE IT! SOAK THE RICH! PAY UP!
krp
>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>
>>> Here we go again...
>>
>>I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>>trying to do to the U.S. There's been millions of people voicing their
>>distaste for the current state of the economy,
>
> Which started in Bush's term and would have been the same if McCain
> got in.
Nice DESPERATE TRY at partisan bullshit. The TAX AND SPEND shit have
been going on for more than a century. Actually deficit spending was there
when Washington was president. You are just blowing popular political
MYTHOLOGY at us. It just started going wild, but the worst drunken spending
was under Carter. Actually the two most responsible presidents on spending
in the past 50 years were Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton.
Dano
So you are in favor of our third world status? Did it not occur to you that
these problems have been brought on by the voracious super wealthy class in
this country that have been sucking off the working people for decades? You
know...the one percent of citizens that hold some 95% of the wealth in
America? Does that strike you as a desirable path to greatness for this
nation?
David Loewe, Jr.
wrote:
That was convincing. Not.
http://www.slate.com/id/2236288/
"Illegal immigrants represent about 15 percent of the uninsured, but for
various reasons (they're younger, they lack access to government
programs) they don't represent 15 percent of uncompensated care; it's
more like 10 percent, according to a study by the Center for Immigration
Studies, a nonprofit research group."
Now, that comes up with different numbers than I do, but it is rather
clear that illegals are counted amongst the American uninsured.
--
"You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas."
Eric Woolfson & Alan Parsons
Pete B
@tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> "clouddreamer" <saveth...@save.money.too> wrote in message
> news:8LednUp3DrHyoprW...@supernews.com...
> > Rom wrote:
> >> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
> >>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
> >>> thusly:
> >>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
> >>> Here we go again...
> >>
> >> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
> >> trying to do to the U.S.
> >
> >
> > Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
> > nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>
>
> Richest? What are you injecting? With 11 TRILLIONS dollars in debt by
> one counting over $100 trillion in debt by the real one from the Comptroller
> General) you say we are RICH?
You should have asked why he was trying to give China healthcare ;)
> Richest country? We are Cuba with NEW CARS that we owe our asses on.
> Do you think this FREE HEALTH CARE will REALLY be for FREE? TOTALLY FREE?
> Nobody has to pay for it?
Everybody has to.
> Oh yeah, the RICH will pay for it, right? SOAK THE
> RICH! Yet they are moving their case OFF SHORE as fast as they can. And
> YOU, RICH GUY?
That's the way they build american: The rich piss on the poor. Nothing
new there.
David Johnston
wrote:
>
>"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
>news:e77fg51bhlurmqm99...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:19:25 -0600, "David V. Loewe, Jr"
>
>>>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>>>> Here we go again...
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they
>>>>> are
>>>>> trying to do to the U.S.
>>>
>>>>Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>>>>nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>>>
>>>You do know that the plan doesn't do that, right?
>>>
>>>For example, about 12 million of the 40-something (not 50 and estimates
>>>vary between 43-47) million uninsured are illegal aliens, right?
>>
>> Wrong. The illegal aliens aren't on the books.
>
> And you are THICK enough to actually BELIEVE that bullshit?
<yawn> I take it you have no facts to back your bluster. Bye.
Tim Bruening
Rom wrote:
I suggest that we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan to free up money for health
care reform.
Tim Bruening
Pete B wrote:
Why would a Nazi vote for Obama? I thought that the Nazies hated blacks.
Pete B
tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us says...
No idea. Is it a riddle?
David Loewe, Jr.
wrote:
>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:47:34 -0500, "krp" <kr...@tampabay.rr.com>
>wrote:
>>"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:19:25 -0600, "David V. Loewe, Jr"
>>
>>>>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>>>>> Here we go again...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> trying to do to the U.S.
>>>>
>>>>>Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>>>>>nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>>>>
>>>>You do know that the plan doesn't do that, right?
>>>>
>>>>For example, about 12 million of the 40-something (not 50 and estimates
>>>>vary between 43-47) million uninsured are illegal aliens, right?
>>>
>>> Wrong. The illegal aliens aren't on the books.
>>
>> And you are THICK enough to actually BELIEVE that bullshit?
>
><yawn> I take it you have no facts to back your bluster. Bye.
I notice that you didn't respond to my post, which preceded yours, which
had those facts you are asking about here...
--
"Reading Solzhenitsyn makes it difficult to take seriously the
people in this culture who insist that Dissent has been squelched.
Brother, you have no idea."
James Lileks
David V. Loewe, Jr
How about leaving Germany, Japan and Korea? We've been in those places
much longer than Iraq or Afghanistan and, unlike Afghanistan, the bad
guys aren't likely to try and regain power in any of those places any
time soon. And, we are getting out of Iraq. We've won there.
--
"Oh now feel it comin' back again
Like a rollin' thunder chasing the wind
Forces pullin' from the center of the earth again
I can feel it."
- Ed Kowalczyk,Chad Taylor,Patrick Dahlheimer
& Chad Gracey
Jette Goldie
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:35:23 -0800, Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
>> Rom wrote:
>>> clouddreamer wrote:
>>>> Rom wrote:
>>>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>>>>> thusly:
>
>>>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>>>> Here we go again...
>>>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they
>>>>> are trying to do to the U.S.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>>>> nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>>> The majority of people DO have health care already. The system DOES need to
>>> be reformed. But not forced upon us (under penalty of hefty fines and/or
>>> jail time.) Is this really how you believe the problem should be solved?!
>> I suggest that we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan to free up money for health
>> care reform.
>
> How about leaving Germany, Japan and Korea? We've been in those places
> much longer than Iraq or Afghanistan and, unlike Afghanistan, the bad
> guys aren't likely to try and regain power in any of those places any
> time soon.
Because those aren't war zones?
>And, we are getting out of Iraq. We've won there.
for certain values of "won".
--
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David Loewe, Jr.
1) The issue before us is cost. Having a military presence in Germany,
Japan and Korea costs money.
2) That Iraq and Afghanistan are "war zones" is a compelling argument to
*stay* in those countries.
>>And, we are getting out of Iraq. We've won there.
>
>for certain values of "won".
We are handing over governance to a reasonably stable central government
that is not a danger to its neighbors. Surely that is victory.
--
"But then I remembered that I was debating with someone who bears hus
insensitivity as a point of pride - and has a lot to be proud of - and
cut it out."
Lara Beaton on John S. Novak, III in <3946b195...@news.btinternet.com>
Alan J.
> Rom wrote:
> > spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
> >> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
> >> thusly:
> >>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
> >> Here we go again...
> >
> > I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
> > trying to do to the U.S.
>
> Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
> nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
No, many poeople aready have health care, and for most people, it does
work Yes, it does need to be improved. It would be nice to be able to
choose any insurance irregardless of where you live, for example, but
what we DON'T need to is a single public option that's just going to
end up raising taxes and in the end not make anything better.
> You're so blinded by ideology, you'll never see any good.
And what the hell do you call the pro Obama crows that keeps giving
him a free pass everytime he screws ups?
--
AJ
Alan J.
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:11:10 -0800, "Rom" <R...@nospaM.invalid> wrote:
> > spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
> > > thusly:
> > > > ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
> > >
> > > Here we go again...
> >
> > I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
> > trying to do to the U.S. There's been millions of people voicing their
> > distaste for the current state of the economy,
>
> Which started in Bush's term and would have been the same if McCain
> got in.
Funny, the same people that keep claiming Obama inhereted things like
the economy from Bush are the same people who cried the exact OPPOSITE
when Bush came into power, despite al lthe evidence that Bush did in
fact inhereit quite a bit of baggage from Clinton...
--
AJ
Dimensional Traveler
save us much money. Disbanding them might but is counter-productive for
other reasons.
> 2) That Iraq and Afghanistan are "war zones" is a compelling argument to
> *stay* in those countries.
>
>>> And, we are getting out of Iraq. We've won there.
>> for certain values of "won".
>
> We are handing over governance to a reasonably stable central government
> that is not a danger to its neighbors. Surely that is victory.
The current central Iraqi government is not "stable" and has
insufficient control over significant portions of its own country. Its
better than it was a few years ago but not there yet.
--
7 Years - 2265 Experiments - 10 tons of explosives - 705 Myths
Myths - Will - Fall!
David V. Loewe, Jr
Base maintenance alone has to be quite a bit.
BUT, the point here is that we've stayed in places far longer than we
have stayed in Iraq or Afghanistan.
>Disbanding them might but is counter-productive for other reasons.
>
>> 2) That Iraq and Afghanistan are "war zones" is a compelling argument to
>> *stay* in those countries.
>>
>>>> And, we are getting out of Iraq. We've won there.
>>> for certain values of "won".
>>
>> We are handing over governance to a reasonably stable central government
>> that is not a danger to its neighbors. Surely that is victory.
>
>The current central Iraqi government is not "stable"
It is as stable as Italy or Israel (or South Korea in my memory).
>and has insufficient control over significant portions of its own country.
>Its better than it was a few years ago but not there yet.
Well, we're not leaving entirely. Eventually, these people have to,
like Germany, Japan and South Korea before them, take on certain
governmental functions.
--
"I want to know what became of the changes
We waited for love to bring.
Were they only the fitful dreams
Of some greater awakening?"
Clyde J. Browne
Dimensional Traveler
US. Either way you've got to pay for a base.
> BUT, the point here is that we've stayed in places far longer than we
> have stayed in Iraq or Afghanistan.
>
Mostly because those countries _want_ American forces there. Alliances
and defense treaties doncha know. ;-)
>> Disbanding them might but is counter-productive for other reasons.
>>
>>> 2) That Iraq and Afghanistan are "war zones" is a compelling argument to
>>> *stay* in those countries.
>>>
>>>>> And, we are getting out of Iraq. We've won there.
>>>> for certain values of "won".
>>> We are handing over governance to a reasonably stable central government
>>> that is not a danger to its neighbors. Surely that is victory.
>> The current central Iraqi government is not "stable"
>
> It is as stable as Italy or Israel (or South Korea in my memory).
>
*boggle* Are you <censored> serious?
spi...@freenet.co.uk
The financial crisis began BEFORE obama was even elected!
(remember northern rock?)
How can you claim it wasn't a problem until he became president?
Blinkers? Brainwashing? Just plain old sheer stupidity?
--
| spi...@freenet.co,uk | "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
| Andrew Halliwell BSc | |
| in | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
| Computer Science | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
clouddreamer
> clouddreamer wrote:
>> Rom wrote:
>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>>> thusly:
>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>> Here we go again...
>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>>> trying to do to the U.S.
>> Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>> nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>
> No, many poeople aready have health care, and for most people, it does
> work Yes, it does need to be improved.
How can you think it works when insurance companies are charged $25 for
a syringe and $25 for pill that in Canada cost the government under a
dollar????
You don't get it. You worry about taxes going up when insurance is
raping you then denying you at the first possible opportunity.
I nearly spit when I heard there was a lifetime limit to insurance. Holy
cow...that's what I'd call a death panel.
..
--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us.
David Loewe, Jr.
<dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
We're already paying for those bases in the US. It isn't like we'd
reactivate inactive ones or open up new ones.
>> BUT, the point here is that we've stayed in places far longer than we
>> have stayed in Iraq or Afghanistan.
>>
>Mostly because those countries _want_ American forces there. Alliances
>and defense treaties doncha know. ;-)
And Iraq and Afghanistan want American forces around - just at lower
levels than now. We're doing that in Iraq and it isn't yet feasible in
Afghanistan.
>>> Disbanding them might but is counter-productive for other reasons.
>>>
>>>> 2) That Iraq and Afghanistan are "war zones" is a compelling argument to
>>>> *stay* in those countries.
>>>>
>>>>>> And, we are getting out of Iraq. We've won there.
>>>>> for certain values of "won".
>>>> We are handing over governance to a reasonably stable central government
>>>> that is not a danger to its neighbors. Surely that is victory.
>>> The current central Iraqi government is not "stable"
>>
>> It is as stable as Italy or Israel (or South Korea in my memory).
>>
>*boggle* Are you <censored> serious?
How many post-war governments has Italy had? How many coups has South
Korea had? Have you ever *really* observed the Israeli parliament in
action - it ain't pretty?
--
"Always look a gift horse in the mouth."
- Milton Friedman
David Loewe, Jr.
>And verily, didst Alan J. <alan.j....@gmail.com> hastily babble thusly:
>> On Nov 20, 6:01 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:11:10 -0800, "Rom" <R...@nospaM.invalid> wrote:
>>> > spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>> > > And verily, didst whodunit <whodu...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>> > > thusly:
>>> > > > ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>> > >
>>> > > Here we go again...
>>> >
>>> > I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>>> > trying to do to the U.S. There's been millions of people voicing their
>>> > distaste for the current state of the economy,
>>>
>>> Which started in Bush's term and would have been the same if McCain
>>> got in.
>>
>> Funny, the same people that keep claiming Obama inhereted things like
>> the economy from Bush are the same people who cried the exact OPPOSITE
>> when Bush came into power, despite al lthe evidence that Bush did in
>> fact inhereit quite a bit of baggage from Clinton...
>
>The financial crisis began BEFORE obama was even elected!
>(remember northern rock?)
>How can you claim it wasn't a problem until he became president?
Look AGAIN...
He's saying that the same people who are calling this Bush's fault
called the 2001 recession Bush's fault.
He's calling those people (and he's assuming you are one of them)
hypocrites.
At least at this point Obama has done something that might be adversely
affecting the economy. Remember those curves we were shown that claimed
that unemployment would not get over a certain number if the stimulus
passed? Well, we're well past that figure. Think about the "jobs
saved" metrics being used by the Obama Administration. Think about they
are claiming that they are saving jobs in non-existent Congressional
Districts.
When the 2001 recession hit, Bush had not yet had time to do anything at
all - and the haters still claim it was his fault.
>Blinkers? Brainwashing? Just plain old sheer stupidity?
--
"Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed."
-Lazarus Long
Tim Bruening
"Alan J." wrote:
> clouddreamer wrote:
> > Rom wrote:
> > > spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
> > >> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
> > >> thusly:
> > >>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
> > >> Here we go again...
> > >
> > > I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
> > > trying to do to the U.S.
> >
> > Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
> > nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>
> No, many poeople aready have health care, and for most people, it does
> work Yes, it does need to be improved. It would be nice to be able to
> choose any insurance irregardless of where you live, for example, but
> what we DON'T need to is a single public option that's just going to
> end up raising taxes and in the end not make anything better.
Okay, lets have multiple government plans competing against each other!
Tim Bruening
"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 15, 8:54 am, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <MPG.256a3320deb3b04c98d...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <m34uf5dpdmpjukadkkk9l7hqf26q5it...@4ax.com>,
> > Fre...@Dobbs.MTN says...
> > > Can someone please explain this episode what happend?
>
> > They all lived. Nothing happened.
>
> > > And the ending - is this a 2 parter??
>
> > By all accounts no- next week its back to infidelity and heated glances.
>
> > > Thanks for your input
>
> > It was time loops cut in a way to confuse the easily confused.
>
> > They show up on the planet. Walk around wisecracking and insulting the
> > local wildlife. They get sick and start dying. The local wildlife
> > strikes back and they continue dying. Because of a solar flare the gate
> > is malfunction. Rush takes a chance on the gate and gets sent back in
> > time (perhaps many years)
>
> And happened to die all those years ago right next to gate where his
> skull could easily be found. Considerate of him.
S> Was that his skull or was that Rush's skull, since he died *right
S> there*?
What wasn't Scott's skull there as well? After all, he had planned to
follow the kino through the Stargate.
Jette Goldie
He may have planned to but didn't, which means his skull can't be
there because he hasn't been to the planet yet. Rush's is because he
travelled back in time to before the Destiny reached the planet.
Tim Bruening
"David Loewe, Jr." wrote:
I know of no sectarian fighting in Italy, and no current fighting in South Korea. Israel
appears to be less violent than Iraq.
Sectarian violence: The people who write up the bosses' reports go postal.
Tim Bruening
"David Loewe, Jr." wrote:
Perhaps we can create jobs in the U.S. by reactivating closed U.S. bases to accomodate
the troops overseas once we bring them back to the U.S.!
Tim Bruening
"David V. Loewe, Jr" wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:35:23 -0800, Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >Rom wrote:
> >> clouddreamer wrote:
> >> > Rom wrote:
> >> >> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
> >> >>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
> >> >>> thusly:
>
> >> >>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
> >> >>> Here we go again...
> >> >>
> >> >> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they
> >> >> are trying to do to the U.S.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
> >> > nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
> >>
> >> The majority of people DO have health care already. The system DOES need to
> >> be reformed. But not forced upon us (under penalty of hefty fines and/or
> >> jail time.) Is this really how you believe the problem should be solved?!
> >
> >I suggest that we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan to free up money for health
> >care reform.
>
> How about leaving Germany, Japan and Korea? We've been in those places
> much longer than Iraq or Afghanistan and, unlike Afghanistan, the bad
> guys aren't likely to try and regain power in any of those places any
> time soon. And, we are getting out of Iraq. We've won there.
Okay, I shall add subtracting our troops from German, Japan, and South Korea.
Tim Bruening
Jette Goldie wrote:
I suspect that the solar flares finally stopped just before the Destiny was
scheduled to leave, causing Scott to arrive at a Destiny full of bodies.
Tim Bruening
"David Loewe, Jr." wrote:
IMHO, the stimulus plan is working. It just wasn't big enough! We should have a
Stimulus II, financed by reducing military spending.
Dragon Lady
"whodunit" <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Davej wrote:
>> On Nov 16, 9:22 am, erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>> Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 15, 2:12 pm, "krp" <kr...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> I keep hoping that SGU will improve. Alas, how foolish. It is
>>>>> increasingly dreadful. At least "V" has Morena Baccarin and we
>>>>> can hope for some hot action. The writing is bad, but I watch
>>>>> hoping to see more of Morena. In more ways than one.
>>>> I find SGU much more watchable than V.
>>> So do I, but that's because I've never even looked at V. I remember the
>>> one it's based on, which I watched a wee bit of and decided I didn't
>>> care for the whole premise as basis for a series.
>>
>>
>> Well, for one thing you start thinking that these people shouldn't be
>> so damn gullible and should find it preposterous that the "V-aliens"
>> just happen to be humanoids and apparently identical to us in every
>> way.
>
Well, what do you expect from a country that would elect Bush? It's called
backlash, dude.
>
> Add to that the "yuck factor" of the hormone-driven teenage son
>> and it's barely watchable.
And you're watching it because....?
Dragon Lady
"clouddreamer" <saveth...@save.money.too> wrote in message
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> Rom wrote:
>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>> thusly:
>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>
>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>> trying to do to the U.S.
>
>
> nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>
While I agree with the goal, the goal is supposed to be to make health care
*more* affordable, not make it more expensive, which is what the likely
result of everything they are doing stikes me as being.
The worst thing that ever happened to health care in this country is healh
insurance.
Dragon Lady
"krp" <kr...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "clouddreamer" <saveth...@save.money.too> wrote in message
> news:8LednUp3DrHyoprW...@supernews.com...
>> Rom wrote:
>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>>> thusly:
>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>> Here we go again...
>>>
>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>>> trying to do to the U.S.
>>
>>
>> Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>> nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>
>
> one counting over $100 trillion in debt by the real one from the
> Comptroller General) you say we are RICH? Tell me, oh great mental giant,
> what's made
Oh, for God's sake. We have one of the highest standards of living in the
world. Get over it.
> here any more? Even 50% of GM's auto assembly is off shore, nearly 90% of
> the components are made off shore. When is the last time you saw an
> operating steel mill in the United States??? How's that American Made TV
> set doing for you? What is it, a MUNTZ? A MAGNAVOX? Seen any American
> made stereo's lately? Where is your computer built? Oh, okay, we ARE
> making SOME chips. How about that coffee maker? Mexico or Taiwan?
> Clothing? CHINA! Hell - at least 60% of your food comes from other
> countries. How many companies are making farm machinery? John Deere makes
> a FEW things. Hey how about heavy construction machines? Certainly
> Caterpillar? Yeah a few things, but lots is IMPORTED from the factories in
> Europe. See any road construction? I look at the cranes and like and see
> KOMATSU.
>
> Hey how about all those GREAT health care machines. MRI and all that
> good shit? GE? Yep. IN FRENCH and GERMAN factories. Tires? Firestone is
> owned by Bridgestone of Japan. HA SO! Yankee you die! Appliances? A health
> share of the market is from Europe and Asia. HELL - we even IMPORT
> condoms. Ever go into a hospital? Most of the doctors are named Gupta or
> Patel. How about telephones? SURE we have telephones coming out our ass?
> RIGHT, we invented them. NOPE. Not ONE.. 100% are from Asia. Cell phones?
> Europe and Asia. Fiver optic cable? Nope!
>
> Ah but the really HEAVY stuff like electrical generators (turbines)?
> NOPE. Not even PARTS for them. Europe and China. We have to BUY them.
> Drugs? Yes, some. Shit we even have to IMPORT our Marijuana. But
> seriously, most drug companies are now OWNED by foreign companies and they
> are racing to close ALL US production.
>
> You know "DREAMER" it is amazing that ANY of our people have
> healthcare. This shit did NOT start under Obama. It's been going on for
> well over a century. Deficit spending like drunken sailors in a brothel by
> Congress, and to a large degree by the American people. Buying houses MUCH
> bigger than we can really afford. Carrying HUGE mortgages. Now many
> Americans are "under water" in mortgages that are twice what the house is
> worth today. The dollar is in the shitters. It is inevitable that that
> they will have to start printing $100,000 bills. Even with that we'll have
> to take the cash to the supermarket on a fork-lift. The INTEREST on what
> we owe China will gobble up the next 10 years of our GNP!
>
> Richest country? We are Cuba with NEW CARS that we owe our asses on.
> Do you think this FREE HEALTH CARE will REALLY be for FREE? TOTALLY FREE?
> Nobody has to pay for it? Oh yeah, the RICH will pay for it, right? SOAK
> THE RICH! Yet they are moving their case OFF SHORE as fast as they can.
> And YOU, RICH GUY?
>
>
>
>
Dragon Lady
"Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> krp wrote:
>> "clouddreamer" <saveth...@save.money.too> wrote in message
>> news:8LednUp3DrHyoprW...@supernews.com...
>>> Rom wrote:
>>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily
>>>>> babble thusly:
>>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>>> Here we go again...
>>>>
>>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what
>>>> they are trying to do to the U.S.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>>> nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>>
>>
>> Richest? What are you injecting? With 11 TRILLIONS dollars in debt
>> by one counting over $100 trillion in debt by the real one from the
>> Comptroller General) you say we are RICH? Tell me, oh great mental
> that these problems have been brought on by the voracious super wealthy
> class in this country that have been sucking off the working people for
> decades? You know...the one percent of citizens that hold some 95% of the
> wealth in America? Does that strike you as a desirable path to greatness
> for this nation?
If you want to suck some of that wealth off and spread it around, I suggest
you start looking at the fact that the estate tax has not been renewed
rather than the health care bill.
I have no objection whatsoever to rich people who got off their asses and
*earned* what they have. I *do* have an objection to rich assholes who
think they are better than everyone else because they inherited more money
than anyone could possibly spend (short of gambing it away one stupid way or
another).
Dragon Lady
"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:4B084F71...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>
>
> Pete B wrote:
>
>> In article <4B0729A2...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
>> tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us says...
>> >
>> >
>> > whodunit wrote:
>> >
>> > > Davej wrote:
>> > > > On Nov 16, 9:22 am, erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> > > >> Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >>> On Nov 15, 2:12 pm, "krp" <kr...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> > > >>>> I keep hoping that SGU will improve. Alas, how foolish. It is
>> > > >>>> increasingly dreadful. At least "V" has Morena Baccarin and we
>> > > >>>> can hope for some hot action. The writing is bad, but I watch
>> > > >>>> hoping to see more of Morena. In more ways than one.
>> > > >>> I find SGU much more watchable than V.
>> > > >> So do I, but that's because I've never even looked at V. I
>> > > >> remember the
>> > > >> one it's based on, which I watched a wee bit of and decided I
>> > > >> didn't
>> > > >> care for the whole premise as basis for a series.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Well, for one thing you start thinking that these people shouldn't
>> > > > be
>> > > > so damn gullible and should find it preposterous that the
>> > > > "V-aliens"
>> > > > just happen to be humanoids and apparently identical to us in every
>> > > > way.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Obama?
>>
>> Naa, its just some nazies who are against the good life for all.
>
> Why would a Nazi vote for Obama? I thought that the Nazies hated blacks.
Nazis, both old and neo, hate everyone who isn't an Nazi - and Nazis aren't
black, so by definition they hate Obama.
Dragon Lady
"Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.257273dc5...@74.209.131.10...
> In article <4B084F71...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us says...
>
Yes. The answer is probably "so they can assisinate him".
Dragon Lady
"David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:bu6hg5punq3o6qh0m...@4ax.com...
Yes, but if you're arguing for cost, it's costing us a lot more to be in
Afghanistan and Iraq than to be in Japan, Korea or Germany. War is always
more expensive than peace.
Dragon Lady
"Alan J." <alan.j....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> clouddreamer wrote:
>> Rom wrote:
>> > spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> >> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>> >> thusly:
>> >>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>> >> Here we go again...
>> >
>> > I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they
>> > are
>> > trying to do to the U.S.
>>
>> Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>> nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>
> No, many poeople aready have health care, and for most people, it does
> work Yes, it does need to be improved. It would be nice to be able to
> choose any insurance irregardless of where you live, for example, but
> what we DON'T need to is a single public option that's just going to
> end up raising taxes and in the end not make anything better.
What we *need* is insurance companies that pay for what the *doctor* says is
best for the patient, not what they will have to pay the least for.
Dragon Lady
"David V. Loewe, Jr" <dave...@charter.net> wrote in message
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True, but the troops in Germany, Japan & Korea are regular troops. The ones
in Iraq, at least, are mostly Guard units, which means pulling them out
saves almost all of their salaries. And pulling the troops out won't save
maintenace cost on the bases unless we also sell the bases, and will save
nothing on the equipment, which we are very unlikely to sell them even if
they are allies.
Dragon Lady
Seriously, dude, you think they're going to cram all those troops into
existing bases? Why do you think they were able to close those bases in the
first place?
David Johnston
But it is what enables you to have a world-wide force projection
capability. You could close up shop and go home leaving the world up
for grabs of course, but I don't think you want to give up being a
superpower just yet.
David Johnston
<alan.j....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 20, 6:01 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:11:10 -0800, "Rom" <R...@nospaM.invalid> wrote:
>> > spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> > > And verily, didst whodunit <whodu...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>> > > thusly:
>> > > > ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>> > >
>> > > Here we go again...
>> >
>> > I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>> > trying to do to the U.S. There's been millions of people voicing their
>> > distaste for the current state of the economy,
>>
>> Which started in Bush's term and would have been the same if McCain
>> got in.
>
>Funny, the same people that keep claiming Obama inhereted things like
>the economy from Bush are the same people who cried the exact OPPOSITE
>when Bush came into power,
When Bush came to power while the economy may have had hidden
weaknesses, they were just that, hidden. So no, those same people
cried no such thing.
Dragon Lady
"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
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Actually, it was the Republicans who cried about it all being Clinton's
fault when Bush came to power, just like the Democrats are now crying that
it is all Bush's fault, even though we've had a Democartic congress for four
years now.
Dimensional Traveler
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David V. Loewe, Jr
wrote:
>"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote
Context is King.
In *this* context, Nazism is a tactic.
Note that many liberals accuse conservatives and neo-cons of being Nazis
- despite some of those people being Jewish, another group despised by
classical German Nazis.
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On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow share their dreams
With you and me"
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Pete B
says...
> The worst thing that ever happened to health care in this country is healh
> insurance.
>
>
Indeed, but he probably didn't think he would be able to get rid of that
- all the hysterics would explode!
David Loewe, Jr.
wrote:
Bush said all through the campaign that a recession was coming. How
hidden were those weakness if Bush could see it clearly? The recession
started in March of 2001. Bush had been in office less than three
months and no laws passed under bush had taken effect. How much of that
could be his fault if he did nothing that could have accelerated or
prevented it that was enacted in time to do anything?
--
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Series winner for the Cardinals!"
- John Francis Buck
David V. Loewe, Jr
wrote:
>"clouddreamer" <saveth...@save.money.too> wrote
>> Rom wrote:
>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>>> thusly:
>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>> Here we go again...
>>>
>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>>> trying to do to the U.S.
>> Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>> nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>>
>> You're so blinded by ideology, you'll never see any good.
>
>While I agree with the goal, the goal is supposed to be to make health care
>*more* affordable, not make it more expensive, which is what the likely
>result of everything they are doing stikes me as being.
>
>The worst thing that ever happened to health care in this country is healh
>insurance.
Elucidate. Expand. Expound.
--
"By 1985 enough millions will have died to reduce the earth's population
to some acceptable level, like 1.5 billion people."
Paul Ehrlich 1969
David V. Loewe, Jr
wrote:
>"David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Here we go again...
Cost is one aspect to be looked at.
There is an ongoing mission in Iraq and Afghanistan. Abandoning them
would be like walking out of Europe after Operation Market-Garden. We
aren't facing down the Soviets in Germany any more. We can face down
the PRC from Guam just as well as from Japan. The ROK is now capable of
handling the DPRK.
--
"Does any one know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours?"
Gordon Lightfoot
David V. Loewe, Jr
wrote:
Japan is not vital to the mission of power projection. Those functions
can be staged out of Guam and the Northern Marianas. Korea does not
figure in power projection. All that is really needed in Germany is
Landstuhl/Ramstein. Also, that is what carriers are for.
--
"Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small
increases in food supplies we make, ... The death rate will increase
until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to
death during the next ten years."
Paul Ehrlich in April 1970
David Loewe, Jr.
wrote:
>"David V. Loewe, Jr" <dave...@charter.net> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Here we go again...
I'm going to have to see a citation before I believe that one.
>which means pulling them out
>saves almost all of their salaries. And pulling the troops out won't save
>maintenace cost on the bases unless we also sell the bases,
Give them back to the host country. We gave BRACed AFBs away in the US.
>and will save nothing on the equipment, which we are very unlikely to sell
>them even if they are allies.
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people in this culture who insist that Dissent has been squelched.
Brother, you have no idea."
James Lileks
David V. Loewe, Jr
wrote:
>"David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here we go again...
Seriously?
You think that places like Fort Hood, Fort Riley and Fort Benning are
space limited?
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And the struggle for the legal tender"
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Dimensional Traveler
But Germany is a strategic center of operations for large parts of the
planet. Note that almost all wounded US military, rescued or released
hostages, etc., go to Germany when evacuated from the Middle East.
No, we can't "face down" China from Guam just as well as from Japan. It
simply isn't physically large enough.
And the ROK disagrees with you about the DPRK, never mind the loss of
international standing the US would suffer from abandoning an ally
facing invasion.
David Johnston
<dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>>Seriously, dude, you think they're going to cram all those troops into
>>existing bases? Why do you think they were able to close those bases in the
>>first place?
>
>Seriously?
>
>You think that places like Fort Hood, Fort Riley and Fort Benning are
>space limited?
Every place is space limited.
David Johnston
Dude, every candidate running against an incumbent says that stuff.
Because after all, the only time a recession isn't coming, is when you
are in a recession.
David Loewe, Jr.
<dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
Give me a good reason why you are deleting the cross-post to the
stargate-universe news group...
As noted in another post, Landstuhl/Ramstein can be kept. But there is
no reason to keep the others.
>No, we can't "face down" China from Guam just as well as from Japan. It
>simply isn't physically large enough.
1) Do you think Japan is going to quit being our ally? The ROC?
2) Do you think that we can't fit the bases in Japan on Guam, Saipan and
Tinian? How much of Japan do you think we take up?
>And the ROK disagrees with you about the DPRK,
I'd pawn off some responsibility, if I could, if I were in their shoes.
They can handle it.
>never mind the loss of international standing the US would suffer from
>abandoning an ally facing invasion.
As opposed to the loss of international standing for abandoning a fight
in *progress*?!?
Nor is it like we wouldn't come if they actually *were* invaded.
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And your priest ran off to Europe - And didn't even write
And your husband wants to be a girl ....."
Gary Portney
David V. Loewe, Jr
wrote:
So, when Bush is right, he's wrong?
Rom
> "David Loewe, Jr." wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:24:39 +0000, spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> And verily, didst Alan J. <alan.j....@gmail.com> hastily babble
>>> thusly:
>>>> On Nov 20, 6:01 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:11:10 -0800, "Rom" <R...@nospaM.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whodu...@invalid.invalid> hastily
>>>>>>> babble thusly:
>>
>>>>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here we go again...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what
>>>>>> they are trying to do to the U.S. There's been millions of
>>>>>> people voicing their distaste for the current state of the
>>>>>> economy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Which started in Bush's term and would have been the same if
>>>>> McCain got in.
>>>>
>>>> Funny, the same people that keep claiming Obama inhereted things
>>>> like the economy from Bush are the same people who cried the exact
>>>> Bush did in fact inhereit quite a bit of baggage from Clinton...
>>>
>>> The financial crisis began BEFORE obama was even elected!
>>> (remember northern rock?)
>>> How can you claim it wasn't a problem until he became president?
>>
>> Look AGAIN...
>>
>> He's saying that the same people who are calling this Bush's fault
>> called the 2001 recession Bush's fault.
>>
>> He's calling those people (and he's assuming you are one of them)
>> hypocrites.
>>
>> At least at this point Obama has done something that might be
>> adversely affecting the economy. Remember those curves we were
>> shown that claimed that unemployment would not get over a certain
>> number if the stimulus passed? Well, we're well past that figure.
>> Think about the "jobs saved" metrics being used by the Obama
>> Administration. Think about they are claiming that they are saving
>> jobs in non-existent Congressional Districts.
>
> IMHO, the stimulus plan is working. It just wasn't big enough! We
> should have a Stimulus II, financed by reducing military spending.
Yeah that's right, lets print/mint even more money, drive up inflation and
drive down the value of the USD even more than it has been.... brilliant,
just brilliant...
-Rom
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> Yeah that's right, lets print/mint even more money, drive up inflation and
> drive down the value of the USD even more than it has been.... brilliant,
> just brilliant...
If it kickstarts the economy, so what?
There's only one sector to blame for this mess...
And that's the fucking bankers.
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Jette Goldie
> And so it was that in the sacred domain of alt.tv.stargate-sg1, Rom <R...@nospam.invalid> uttered the following pearls of wisdom:
>> Yeah that's right, lets print/mint even more money, drive up inflation and
>> drive down the value of the USD even more than it has been.... brilliant,
>> just brilliant...
>
> If it kickstarts the economy, so what?
> There's only one sector to blame for this mess...
>
> And that's the fucking bankers.
>
bunch of merchant bankers, the lot of them.
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Rom
> And so it was that in the sacred domain of alt.tv.stargate-sg1, Rom
> <R...@nospam.invalid> uttered the following pearls of wisdom:
>> Yeah that's right, lets print/mint even more money, drive up
>> inflation and drive down the value of the USD even more than it has
>> been.... brilliant, just brilliant...
>
> If it kickstarts the economy, so what?
But the problem is the more money into it isn't helping. They can't even get
job estimate right (in fact, they've been caught outright lying through
their teeth, such as blatantly making up congressional districts.)
> There's only one sector to blame for this mess...
>
> And that's the fucking bankers.
Very much agreed. Bankers played a such part, giving out sub-prime loans
left and right, but the democratically controlled congress pretty much let
it happen as well.
-Rom
Tim Bruening
Dragon Lady wrote:
What if the doctor is recommending needless medical treatments to avoid being
sued for malpractice?
Tim Bruening
David Johnston wrote:
We may not be able to AFFORD being a superpower while also reforming health care,
stimulating the economy, and cutting our carbon footprints.
Tim Bruening
"David Loewe, Jr." wrote:
However, I don't recall any indication that he saw the current recession coming!
Tim Bruening
"David Loewe, Jr." wrote:
I was assuming that his warnings were merely a campaign tactic.
Tim Bruening
David Johnston wrote:
I favor a war tax on the rich to finance the wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan.
David V. Loewe, Jr
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>"David Loewe, Jr." wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:24:39 +0000, spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> >And verily, didst Alan J. <alan.j....@gmail.com> hastily babble thusly:
>> >> On Nov 20, 6:01 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:11:10 -0800, "Rom" <R...@nospaM.invalid> wrote:
>> >>> > spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> >>> > > And verily, didst whodunit <whodu...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>> >>> > > thusly:
>>
>> >>> > > > ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Here we go again...
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>> >>> > trying to do to the U.S. There's been millions of people voicing their
>> >>> > distaste for the current state of the economy,
>> >>>
>> >>> Which started in Bush's term and would have been the same if McCain
>> >>> got in.
>> >>
>> >> Funny, the same people that keep claiming Obama inhereted things like
>> >> the economy from Bush are the same people who cried the exact OPPOSITE
>> >> when Bush came into power, despite al lthe evidence that Bush did in
>> >> fact inhereit quite a bit of baggage from Clinton...
>> >
>> >The financial crisis began BEFORE obama was even elected!
>> >(remember northern rock?)
>> >How can you claim it wasn't a problem until he became president?
>>
>> Look AGAIN...
>>
>> He's saying that the same people who are calling this Bush's fault
>> called the 2001 recession Bush's fault.
>>
>> He's calling those people (and he's assuming you are one of them)
>> hypocrites.
>>
>> At least at this point Obama has done something that might be adversely
>> affecting the economy. Remember those curves we were shown that claimed
>> that unemployment would not get over a certain number if the stimulus
>> passed? Well, we're well past that figure. Think about the "jobs
>> saved" metrics being used by the Obama Administration. Think about they
>> are claiming that they are saving jobs in non-existent Congressional
>> Districts.
>
>IMHO, the stimulus plan is working. It just wasn't big enough! We should have a
>Stimulus II, financed by reducing military spending.
You want to reduce a Constitutionally mandated expense to do something
not Constitutionally mandated?
--
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Carefree Highway let me slip away let me slip away on you."
- Gordon Lightfoot
David V. Loewe, Jr
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
Do you want the rich to all go to Zug?
--
"Tax the rich, feed the poor
till there are no rich no more."
Alvin Lee
David V. Loewe, Jr
>Rom <R...@nospam.invalid> uttered the following pearls of wisdom:
>> Yeah that's right, lets print/mint even more money, drive up inflation and
>> drive down the value of the USD even more than it has been.... brilliant,
>> just brilliant...
>
>If it kickstarts the economy, so what?
>There's only one sector to blame for this mess...
>
>And that's the fucking bankers.
That is a funny way to spell "Sarbanes-Oxley."
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Or his deserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all."
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