Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss
Haven season opener - Spoilers
11 views
Skip to first unread message
Harold Groot
Sep 22, 2012, 3:54:26 AM9/22/12
to
I suppose that some spoiler space is indicated
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Not that the plot was really grabbing me. What's bugging me is the way
they seem to be ignoring some things.
They've previously established that Audrey can often put a damper on
the powers of those who are troubled (like Nate, who has no sense of
touch except when Audrey touches him, and several others). Here, when
putting a damper on someone troubled would have been really useful and
she was within inches of Mr. CE3K, she didn't try to touch him in any
way. It wouldn't be a sure shot to win, but it is definitely something
that should have been tried. It would have been SO EASY to lay a hand
on his arm or shoulder while he was trying to jam the navigational
signal. With Nate's solution not yet thought of, it should have been
"Nothing to lose, everything to gain" at that point.
As for Ms. Voice-Behind-A-Wall, Audrey seemed incapable of even
CONSIDERING that the voice might have been the kidnapper trying to
trick her. And none of the others seemed to consider it either. Did
they need the sign to say "Bates Motel" instead of "Altair Bay Inn"?
Even at the very end, when the time element makes what she THINK
happened impossible (granted, not an absolute term in Haven), she
still isn't seeming to grasp the idea. And while the prosthetic leg
might be identifiable, that doesn't mean that the bones were from the
person who owned the leg.
And just as a side note - they have a "magnetic surge" pin a whole lot
of things to the ceiling of the boat during the fight sequence. While
a lot of things shown there COULD have been magnetic (kitchen pots and
pans, keys, a lamp, etc.), it's a bit harder to explain how those
coins or the lampcord (of the silver lamp, not the more yellow-looking
one with the cord through a chain) were affected. Yeah, yeah - there's
always the excuse that "It's Haven, the normal rules of magnetism
might not apply" - but it's so easy to do it RIGHT, why not DO IT that
way? And of course, around here manhole covers have been welded shut
for a long time (otherwise people steal them to sell for scrap metal),
but I guess Haven hasn't considered that - even though this has
apparently happened twice before....
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Not that the plot was really grabbing me. What's bugging me is the way
they seem to be ignoring some things.
They've previously established that Audrey can often put a damper on
the powers of those who are troubled (like Nate, who has no sense of
touch except when Audrey touches him, and several others). Here, when
putting a damper on someone troubled would have been really useful and
she was within inches of Mr. CE3K, she didn't try to touch him in any
way. It wouldn't be a sure shot to win, but it is definitely something
that should have been tried. It would have been SO EASY to lay a hand
on his arm or shoulder while he was trying to jam the navigational
signal. With Nate's solution not yet thought of, it should have been
"Nothing to lose, everything to gain" at that point.
As for Ms. Voice-Behind-A-Wall, Audrey seemed incapable of even
CONSIDERING that the voice might have been the kidnapper trying to
trick her. And none of the others seemed to consider it either. Did
they need the sign to say "Bates Motel" instead of "Altair Bay Inn"?
Even at the very end, when the time element makes what she THINK
happened impossible (granted, not an absolute term in Haven), she
still isn't seeming to grasp the idea. And while the prosthetic leg
might be identifiable, that doesn't mean that the bones were from the
person who owned the leg.
And just as a side note - they have a "magnetic surge" pin a whole lot
of things to the ceiling of the boat during the fight sequence. While
a lot of things shown there COULD have been magnetic (kitchen pots and
pans, keys, a lamp, etc.), it's a bit harder to explain how those
coins or the lampcord (of the silver lamp, not the more yellow-looking
one with the cord through a chain) were affected. Yeah, yeah - there's
always the excuse that "It's Haven, the normal rules of magnetism
might not apply" - but it's so easy to do it RIGHT, why not DO IT that
way? And of course, around here manhole covers have been welded shut
for a long time (otherwise people steal them to sell for scrap metal),
but I guess Haven hasn't considered that - even though this has
apparently happened twice before....
jack
Sep 22, 2012, 12:09:27 PM9/22/12
to
> way. It wouldn't be a sure shot to win, but it is definitely something
> that should have been tried. It would have been SO EASY to lay a hand
> on his arm or shoulder while he was trying to jam the navigational
> signal. With Nate's solution not yet thought of, it should have been
> "Nothing to lose, everything to gain" at that point.
>
I got the impression that they were at that stage not 100% sure that the UFO was solely his troubled mind's projection. What if it wasn't and the kid was the only one who could communicate with the ship?
> that should have been tried. It would have been SO EASY to lay a hand
> on his arm or shoulder while he was trying to jam the navigational
> signal. With Nate's solution not yet thought of, it should have been
> "Nothing to lose, everything to gain" at that point.
>
> As for Ms. Voice-Behind-A-Wall, Audrey seemed incapable of even
> CONSIDERING that the voice might have been the kidnapper trying to
> trick her. And none of the others seemed to consider it either. Did
> they need the sign to say "Bates Motel" instead of "Altair Bay Inn"?
> Even at the very end, when the time element makes what she THINK
> happened impossible (granted, not an absolute term in Haven), she
> still isn't seeming to grasp the idea. And while the prosthetic leg
> might be identifiable, that doesn't mean that the bones were from the
> person who owned the leg.
>
>
On the whole, with its yet another Perils of Pauline cliffhanger first-episode-of-the new-season save, and its did anybody believe the coffin would have a body in it reveal, the episode was a middling start to what it seems to be the last season of the show?
JM Morrison
Sep 22, 2012, 12:42:55 PM9/22/12
to
pick up right where they left off last year, only reshot the scene in
the boat where Nathan and Duke fight. But Duke's hair has gone from
hipster messy to shoulder length grunge.
And Dwight finally got a haircut, but at least he wasn't in the middle
of a scene.
And, BTW, weak explanation for the shot we heard at the end of last
season. Weak, man.
>
> They've previously established that Audrey can often put a damper on
> the powers of those who are troubled (like Nate, who has no sense of
> touch except when Audrey touches him, and several others). Here, when
> putting a damper on someone troubled would have been really useful and
> she was within inches of Mr. CE3K, she didn't try to touch him in any
> way. It wouldn't be a sure shot to win, but it is definitely something
> that should have been tried. It would have been SO EASY to lay a hand
> on his arm or shoulder while he was trying to jam the navigational
> signal. With Nate's solution not yet thought of, it should have been
> "Nothing to lose, everything to gain" at that point.
leaving Audrey out entirely. It's just like when Fringe decided that
the girl can't be the hero lead anymore and turned the show into the
Peter Bishop show. The producers of Haven have already said this season
'explores' Nathan's character more... I'm afraid. Very afraid.
>
> As for Ms. Voice-Behind-A-Wall, Audrey seemed incapable of even
> CONSIDERING that the voice might have been the kidnapper trying to
> trick her. And none of the others seemed to consider it either. Did
> they need the sign to say "Bates Motel" instead of "Altair Bay Inn"?
> Even at the very end, when the time element makes what she THINK
> happened impossible (granted, not an absolute term in Haven), she
> still isn't seeming to grasp the idea. And while the prosthetic leg
> might be identifiable, that doesn't mean that the bones were from the
> person who owned the leg.
sake. Very very afraid.
>
> And just as a side note - they have a "magnetic surge" pin a whole lot
> of things to the ceiling of the boat during the fight sequence. While
> a lot of things shown there COULD have been magnetic (kitchen pots and
> pans, keys, a lamp, etc.), it's a bit harder to explain how those
> coins or the lampcord (of the silver lamp, not the more yellow-looking
> one with the cord through a chain) were affected. Yeah, yeah - there's
> always the excuse that "It's Haven, the normal rules of magnetism
> might not apply" - but it's so easy to do it RIGHT, why not DO IT that
> way? And of course, around here manhole covers have been welded shut
> for a long time (otherwise people steal them to sell for scrap metal),
> but I guess Haven hasn't considered that - even though this has
> apparently happened twice before....
>
>
supposed abduction - that set off Toomey's trouble. If Roslyn was in on
it... it's a cold hard bitch who would set up her son like that just to
keep the police busy while she and whoever questioned Audrey. And then
pointed them at the Colorado Kid like throwing a stick for a retriever...
-jmm
JM Morrison
Sep 22, 2012, 1:39:44 PM9/22/12
to
Though, like Nathan suggested at the end, there's no way to tell how
far or how powerful his trouble is. It could be strong enough that he
created the ship in toto, and he actually did fly away with them.
>
>> As for Ms. Voice-Behind-A-Wall, Audrey seemed incapable of even
>> CONSIDERING that the voice might have been the kidnapper trying to
>> trick her. And none of the others seemed to consider it either. Did
>> they need the sign to say "Bates Motel" instead of "Altair Bay Inn"?
>> Even at the very end, when the time element makes what she THINK
>> happened impossible (granted, not an absolute term in Haven), she
>> still isn't seeming to grasp the idea. And while the prosthetic leg
>> might be identifiable, that doesn't mean that the bones were from the
>> person who owned the leg.
>>
> Yeah, thought the same thing; it could be a trick. That fire was way too small to have burnt a person so completely in such a short period of time and the smell...
>>
>
> On the whole, with its yet another Perils of Pauline cliffhanger first-episode-of-the new-season save, and its did anybody believe the coffin would have a body in it reveal, the episode was a middling start to what it seems to be the last season of the show?
>
SyFy moved it to fall for a reason. This is their premiere show now
that Eureka is gone. Weak start, I agree, but they are retooling and
adding new characters and new - or rather re-emphasizing - the extended arc.
-jmm
Dragon Lady
Sep 22, 2012, 3:17:51 PM9/22/12
to
"jack" <jr...@columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:ff9ddc23-efa7-410c...@googlegroups.com...
should have tried. It was still and "Nothing to lose, everything to gain"
situation.
Harold Groot
Sep 23, 2012, 6:23:59 AM9/23/12
to
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:42:55 -0700, JM Morrison <jmmn...@shaw.ca>
wrote:
trying to phase Audrey out. I've got no problem with having both
people in a partnership coming up with good ideas, and Nate has a lot
more knowledge/experience with this stuff, so he SHOULD come up with a
few. We'll just have to wait to see if it's a reasonable amount or
not.
>Yeah, agreed. Writers making the character deliberately stupid for plot
>sake. Very very afraid.
Sort of like WAREHOUSE 13, where they have these real keen stun
weapons that they forget to use, time after time. Just recently Arte
had the bad guy covered with one and gets reason to suspect his team
is in immediate danger. Does he take the 1/10th of a second it would
take to FIRST stun the bad guy and THEN try to save his team?
NOOOOoooo.... So of course the bad guy gets away.
wrote:
>> They've previously established that Audrey can often put a damper on
>> the powers of those who are troubled (like Nate, who has no sense of
>> touch except when Audrey touches him, and several others). Here, when
>> putting a damper on someone troubled would have been really useful and
>> she was within inches of Mr. CE3K, she didn't try to touch him in any
>> way. It wouldn't be a sure shot to win, but it is definitely something
>> that should have been tried. It would have been SO EASY to lay a hand
>> on his arm or shoulder while he was trying to jam the navigational
>> signal. With Nate's solution not yet thought of, it should have been
>> "Nothing to lose, everything to gain" at that point.
>
>Much much worse is that it was Nathan who came up with the 'solution',
>leaving Audrey out entirely. It's just like when Fringe decided that
>the girl can't be the hero lead anymore and turned the show into the
>Peter Bishop show. The producers of Haven have already said this season
>'explores' Nathan's character more... I'm afraid. Very afraid.
Well, it's possible - but it's a little too soon to say that they're
>> the powers of those who are troubled (like Nate, who has no sense of
>> touch except when Audrey touches him, and several others). Here, when
>> putting a damper on someone troubled would have been really useful and
>> she was within inches of Mr. CE3K, she didn't try to touch him in any
>> way. It wouldn't be a sure shot to win, but it is definitely something
>> that should have been tried. It would have been SO EASY to lay a hand
>> on his arm or shoulder while he was trying to jam the navigational
>> signal. With Nate's solution not yet thought of, it should have been
>> "Nothing to lose, everything to gain" at that point.
>
>Much much worse is that it was Nathan who came up with the 'solution',
>leaving Audrey out entirely. It's just like when Fringe decided that
>the girl can't be the hero lead anymore and turned the show into the
>Peter Bishop show. The producers of Haven have already said this season
>'explores' Nathan's character more... I'm afraid. Very afraid.
trying to phase Audrey out. I've got no problem with having both
people in a partnership coming up with good ideas, and Nate has a lot
more knowledge/experience with this stuff, so he SHOULD come up with a
few. We'll just have to wait to see if it's a reasonable amount or
not.
>Yeah, agreed. Writers making the character deliberately stupid for plot
>sake. Very very afraid.
weapons that they forget to use, time after time. Just recently Arte
had the bad guy covered with one and gets reason to suspect his team
is in immediate danger. Does he take the 1/10th of a second it would
take to FIRST stun the bad guy and THEN try to save his team?
NOOOOoooo.... So of course the bad guy gets away.
JM Morrison
Sep 23, 2012, 8:45:39 AM9/23/12
to
>> Much much worse is that it was Nathan who came up with the 'solution',
>> leaving Audrey out entirely. It's just like when Fringe decided that
>> the girl can't be the hero lead anymore and turned the show into the
>> Peter Bishop show. The producers of Haven have already said this season
>> 'explores' Nathan's character more... I'm afraid. Very afraid.
>
> Well, it's possible - but it's a little too soon to say that they're
> trying to phase Audrey out. I've got no problem with having both
> people in a partnership coming up with good ideas, and Nate has a lot
> more knowledge/experience with this stuff, so he SHOULD come up with a
> few. We'll just have to wait to see if it's a reasonable amount or
> not.
>
Watch the scene again where Nathan talks to Wesley. Audrey backs off,
>> leaving Audrey out entirely. It's just like when Fringe decided that
>> the girl can't be the hero lead anymore and turned the show into the
>> Peter Bishop show. The producers of Haven have already said this season
>> 'explores' Nathan's character more... I'm afraid. Very afraid.
>
> Well, it's possible - but it's a little too soon to say that they're
> trying to phase Audrey out. I've got no problem with having both
> people in a partnership coming up with good ideas, and Nate has a lot
> more knowledge/experience with this stuff, so he SHOULD come up with a
> few. We'll just have to wait to see if it's a reasonable amount or
> not.
>
stands behind Nathan *wringing her hands*. Nathan does not have any
more experience than Audrey with this stuff. At the start of the series
he denied that the Troubles actually existed - even his own - and most
of the first season they had to go through the motions of convincing him
for every episode. The whole premise is about Audrey and her special
ability to help the Troubled. I don't mind if Nathan comes up with the
solution once in a while, and I like the ambiguous morality of it in
this case, the conflict between him and Duke; just don't push Audrey aside.
>
>> Yeah, agreed. Writers making the character deliberately stupid for plot
>> sake. Very very afraid.
>
> Sort of like WAREHOUSE 13, where they have these real keen stun
> weapons that they forget to use, time after time. Just recently Arte
> had the bad guy covered with one and gets reason to suspect his team
> is in immediate danger. Does he take the 1/10th of a second it would
> take to FIRST stun the bad guy and THEN try to save his team?
> NOOOOoooo.... So of course the bad guy gets away.
>
>
police and military. Much better thought out. Shoot first and ask
questions later as standard procedure, not a crime.
-jmm
0 new messages