Did the Silurians inspire V
The Doctor
Wonder if V got the idea of Aliens as reptiles from Doctor Who.
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Ignis Fatuus
(The Doctor) wrote:
>REcall the Silurians were reptiles from the prehistoric age.
>
>Wonder if V got the idea of Aliens as reptiles from Doctor Who.
It goes back a lot further than DW.
Wouter Valentijn
O, yeah.
Personally I think this theory here is the most important influence for The
Visitors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosauroid#The_.22Dinosauroid.22
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Ignis Fatuus
<li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>Ignis Fatuus wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:22:26 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>> REcall the Silurians were reptiles from the prehistoric age.
>>>
>>> Wonder if V got the idea of Aliens as reptiles from Doctor Who.
>>
>> It goes back a lot further than DW.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reptilian_humanoids
>
>O, yeah.
>Personally I think this theory here is the most important influence for The
>Visitors:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosauroid#The_.22Dinosauroid.22
O, Yeah,
and of course Russell was totally insulated from all cultural
references to Humanoid Reptiles prior to this breakthrough.
Mr.Smartypants
> REcall the Silurians were reptiles from the prehistoric age.
>
> Wonder if V got the idea of Aliens as reptiles from Doctor Who.
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That's an interesting theory, Doctor.
Why don't you take a year or two sabbatical from the internet and do
some research on that?
Get back to us in a couple of years with your findings......or NOT.
Wouter Valentijn
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:57:01 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn"
> <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>
>> Ignis Fatuus wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:22:26 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>
>>>> REcall the Silurians were reptiles from the prehistoric age.
>>>>
>>>> Wonder if V got the idea of Aliens as reptiles from Doctor Who.
>>>
>>> It goes back a lot further than DW.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reptilian_humanoids
>>
>> O, yeah.
>> Personally I think this theory here is the most important influence
>> for The Visitors:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosauroid#The_.22Dinosauroid.22
>
> O, Yeah,
> and of course Russell was totally insulated from all cultural
> references to Humanoid Reptiles prior to this breakthrough.
Who claimed he was?
I was just thinking about how Kenny Johnson might have worked certain ideas
into V.
In one scene he also included the extinction of the dinosaurs, referring to
the work of Alvarez.
In this scene they said something like 'it could have happened on Earth'
(the emerging of dinosaur like humanoids).
It was during one of the first meetings of Juliet Parish's cell.
I think that Johnson (or others around him) must have been aware of those
theories.
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The Doctor
Mr.Smartypants <bc...@canada.com> wrote:
The Visitors are model aliens for you troll boy MSP.
Ignis Fatuus
<li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
Which made "O,yeah' a pertinent response; whereas a history of
reptilian humanoids was not?
I don't suppose that a detailed knowledge of the precedents was
necessary in order to create Silurians or V; however I was merely
demonstrating the fact that reptilian (and other animal) humanoids
have been the substance of popular culture since ancient times.
David E. Powell
> Ignis Fatuus wrote:
> > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:22:26 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
> > (The Doctor) wrote:
>
> >> REcall the Silurians were reptiles from the prehistoric age.
>
> >> Wonder if V got the idea of Aliens as reptiles from Doctor Who.
>
> > It goes back a lot further than DW.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reptilian_humanoids
>
> O, yeah.
> Personally I think this theory here is the most important influence for The
> Visitors:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosauroid#The_.22Dinosauroid.22
I saw that as a kid in Philly at the National Academy of Sciences,
freaked me out a bit!
I heard there was an old comic book where scientists went back in
time, the ship landed on something, when they came back they were
lizard people.
> Wouter Valentijnwww.j3v.net
The Doctor
David E. Powell <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote:
>On Dec 12, 12:57=A0pm, "Wouter Valentijn" <l...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>> Ignis Fatuus wrote:
>> > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:22:26 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>> > (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>> >> REcall the Silurians were reptiles from the prehistoric age.
>>
>> >> Wonder if V got the idea of Aliens as reptiles from Doctor Who.
>>
>> > It goes back a lot further than DW.
>>
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reptilian_humanoids
>>
>> O, yeah.
>he
>> Visitors:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosauroid#The_.22Dinosauroid.22
>
>I saw that as a kid in Philly at the National Academy of Sciences,
>freaked me out a bit!
>
>I heard there was an old comic book where scientists went back in
>time, the ship landed on something, when they came back they were
>lizard people.
>
>> Wouter Valentijnwww.j3v.net
>>
>> http://www.nksf.scifics.com/startrek.html
>>
>not
>> make out with each other.
>> Xander: Well maybe that's what's wrong with the world. Ever think about
>> that?
>>
>> 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer 4x14: Goodbye Iowa'
>>
>
IS it possible for lizards to be thinking bipeds?
Wouter Valentijn
With 'O, yeah', I meant: "Yes, I agree."
Maybe I should have added the word 'And' before the sentence that started
with 'personally'.
>
> I don't suppose that a detailed knowledge of the precedents was
> necessary in order to create Silurians or V; however I was merely
> demonstrating the fact that reptilian (and other animal) humanoids
> have been the substance of popular culture since ancient times.
"Yes, I agree."
:-)
In other words:
Indeed.
You are correct.
I do not disagree.
We're on the same page.
High five.
Just to avoid misunderstandings.
Wouter Valentijn
If they happen to evolve along that path, why not?
But I think at this time we're in the way of that.
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Xander: Well maybe that's what's wrong with the world. Ever think about
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The Doctor
At least we are talking Silurains and not flaming.
The Doctor
Wouter Valentijn
If it makes them more fit for survival they might.
OTOH....
I'm suddenly reminded of an SF story I read a long time ago. Forgot the
title and the author.
Scientists here on Earth discover that indeed intelligent dinosaurs lived on
Earth 65 million years ago and had developed a civilisation.
Trouble was their technology coupled with their reptilian nature (the
agressiveness) triggered their extinction. The story also suggested that
humans were on the very same path....
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Buffy: This is the Initiative Xander. Military guys and scientists do not
make out with each other.
Xander: Well maybe that's what's wrong with the world. Ever think about
that?
'Buffy the Vampire Slayer 4x14: Goodbye Iowa'
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The Doctor
Sounds like DW and the Silurians. Whoops! That was the moon!
Jack Bohn
>The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> But will they buld a civilisation?
>
>If it makes them more fit for survival they might.
There's the interesting question of socialization. If lizards
want to build a civilization, they'll have to get out of the
habit of leaving their eggs in a clutch and wandering off the way
turtles do... Oddly, I remember Jurassic Park's main suggestion
that velocoraptors were fairly smart was that they hunted in
packs; do any modern lizards form packs?
>OTOH....
>I'm suddenly reminded of an SF story I read a long time ago. Forgot the
>title and the author.
>Scientists here on Earth discover that indeed intelligent dinosaurs lived on
>Earth 65 million years ago and had developed a civilisation.
>Trouble was their technology coupled with their reptilian nature (the
>agressiveness) triggered their extinction. The story also suggested that
>humans were on the very same path....
Sounds like "Day of the Hunters" by Isaac Asimov. He goes beyond
their own extinction to the whole loss of "big game" of the
Cretaceous. (Now I'm thinking it could be his story called "Big
Game," or maybe he used the same idea twice.)
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john smith
"Jack Bohn" <jack...@bright.net> wrote in message
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I thought everyone knew the dinosaurs were hunted to extinction by
time-travelling cowboys who wanted meat for the future?
("Flesh", 2000AD.)
The Doctor
LOL!
Wouter Valentijn
> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>
>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>> But will they buld a civilisation?
>>
>> If it makes them more fit for survival they might.
>
> There's the interesting question of socialization. If lizards
> want to build a civilization, they'll have to get out of the
> habit of leaving their eggs in a clutch and wandering off the way
> turtles do... Oddly, I remember Jurassic Park's main suggestion
> that velocoraptors were fairly smart was that they hunted in
> packs; do any modern lizards form packs?
Not to my knowledge...
But I remember something about crocodiles... They carry their young in their
mouths sometimes. And not as dinner, but for transport and protection.
There are certain theories that say birds decended from dinosaur type
reptiles and birds certainly can have a strong collective behaviour. So
maybe the reptilian ancestors might have also. And of course us mammals are
also descendant from reptiles.
There are some interesting reads on internet, such as:
http://icb.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/14/1/35
>
>> OTOH....
>> I'm suddenly reminded of an SF story I read a long time ago. Forgot
>> the title and the author.
>> Scientists here on Earth discover that indeed intelligent dinosaurs
>> lived on Earth 65 million years ago and had developed a civilisation.
>> Trouble was their technology coupled with their reptilian nature (the
>> agressiveness) triggered their extinction. The story also suggested
>> that humans were on the very same path....
>
> Sounds like "Day of the Hunters" by Isaac Asimov. He goes beyond
> their own extinction to the whole loss of "big game" of the
> Cretaceous. (Now I'm thinking it could be his story called "Big
> Game," or maybe he used the same idea twice.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Hunters
Could be...
Yeah, I think that's the one!